Olly Alexander wrote a song. But Joost wrote a Eurovision song.

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  • čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
  • Back in December, the United Kingdom's Olly Alexander was hailed as one of the biggest stars ever to come to Eurovision. He seemed like the end goal of the EBU's uphill battle to make Eurovision a place where a-listers could bring their a-game. Across the Channel, the Netherlands' Joost Klein had a reputation as a funny, emo rapper that festival kids adored, but it wasn't clear he was capable of mainstream success. Their songs went live within 24 hours of each other... and that's when this story threw us a dizzying twist.
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  • @joostklein1
    @joostklein1 Před 13 dny +7470

    After watching all of your videos, I am honored to be part of one. Thanks for actually looking into my art. Weirdly enough it made me shed a tear. Blessings and LOVE!!!! 💙

    • @overthinkingit
      @overthinkingit  Před 13 dny +1067

      Thanks for giving us so much to overthink! Good luck next week, my gabber. 💙

    • @rolandvanheertum825
      @rolandvanheertum825 Před 13 dny +116

      Ay joost doe wel ff de hele versie van de outro in je act. Love❤

    • @merelhuijben1904
      @merelhuijben1904 Před 13 dny +114

      The man himself just be showing up like that, huh. Can't wait for you to bring the party to Eurovision!

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny +37

      You can handle every chapter of your own book 💪🏼 Enjoy these Eurovision paragraphs. We love you Joost ❤

    • @PennieJ
      @PennieJ Před 13 dny +45

      Joost 💎 , ik wil ook ff wat zeggen, je bent zo goed! Sinds en dankzij het liedje Europapa heb ik al je super-creatieve en diepgaande en humorvolle muziek en video's gezien. Toen mn zoon van nu 23 jaar , vroeger klein was volgde hij je al, en ik hoorde je muziek de laatste jaren vanuit de badkamer weet ik nu. en hij lijkt toevallig ook heel veel op je. Hij is net zo hip en cool, en ik ben supertrots op jullie allebei💛💛
      Ik hou zo veel van je teksten, nog nooit zo iets goeds gehoord
      Superveel succes gewenst maar vooral heel veel plezier met al je lieve vrienden. 😍💎🧦~~~En Europino is ook gewoon super hot! LOOOOOOVE en dank je wel 🙏

  • @Colbol12
    @Colbol12 Před 4 dny +756

    Joost's story is even more painful now that he's disqualified

    • @yetipotato8567
      @yetipotato8567 Před 3 dny +7

      Yes so much

    • @northernlight8857
      @northernlight8857 Před 3 dny +3

      You reap what you sow.

    • @sydan-wv9tm
      @sydan-wv9tm Před 3 dny

      @@northernlight8857shut up

    • @xXGeorgChannelXx
      @xXGeorgChannelXx Před 2 dny +43

      ​@@northernlight8857 what do you mean? he literally stood up for himself getting bullied, I agree you should be a better man and sometimes take it and dont fight back, but this was not the case. He had every right to act and EBU having double standards is just out right corrupt. Loving and equal world my ass, with all the "flags" and "ABC´s".

    • @SmileAway21
      @SmileAway21 Před 2 dny

      @@xXGeorgChannelXxwomp womp woman beater

  • @elleglenn
    @elleglenn Před 4 dny +850

    After watching this deep dive I am now scared of how the disqualification might influence Joost... Both mentally and artistically

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 Před 3 dny

      Hopefully he won't grope more women

    • @yeeted42069
      @yeeted42069 Před 3 dny +67

      first thing that came to my mind too. He was scammed imo.

    • @zentanglemethilde
      @zentanglemethilde Před 3 dny +59

      Totally agree. He was not given the chance to perform his masterpiece. I wish Joost will survive mentally, he has overcome the worst trauma. Karma is a B**** and he will come our stronger.
      Not very surprising that Switzerland won as I think the EBUs top is from there. This outcome is totally rigged. It's not about music anymore, it's about money and politics

    • @lise1255
      @lise1255 Před 3 dny

      Judging from his physical appearance, he already has mental issues.

    • @lise1255
      @lise1255 Před 3 dny +7

      ​@@zentanglemethilde "Masterpiece" "survive mentally" "worst trauma" - come on, grow up ffs!!!

  • @zhenia2511
    @zhenia2511 Před 15 dny +1737

    I deeply respect what Joost is trying to do with "Europapa". Eurodance can be meaningful and trashy. This is such a jam.

    • @rwrobwalker
      @rwrobwalker Před 13 dny

      i’m sorry but it’s utter rubbish!

    • @benjames9158
      @benjames9158 Před 8 dny +15

      It’s Dutch hardcore mate

    • @zhenia2511
      @zhenia2511 Před 8 dny +35

      @@benjames9158 The second part, sure. The first leg of the song is pure eurodance.

    • @benjames9158
      @benjames9158 Před 8 dny +8

      @@zhenia2511 its happy hardcore mate

    • @ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it
      @ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Před 6 dny +12

      its literally eurobeat, techno and hardcore

  • @rubenj.3894
    @rubenj.3894 Před 4 dny +423

    Watching this video after the announcement that Joost does not get to perform due to (allegations of) "agressive movements" from Joost to a camera crew is so unreal. It feels so unfair that the EBU gets to take away such a core moment within Joost's life, over such a small thing. It shows once again (to me) that big organisations really give horse crap about people's wellbeing & mental, while acting so pretentious wholesome at the superficial layer. Ridiculous.
    Joost, in the rare event you'll read this: You've done an awesome job at the eurovision, don't let some bullies from the EBU ruin that memory for you.

    • @sandervandenbroek8508
      @sandervandenbroek8508 Před 3 dny +26

      Justice for Joost

    • @SumDumFux
      @SumDumFux Před 3 dny

      @joostklein1 i feel like he needs to see this🫶🏼

    • @JonkoJointson
      @JonkoJointson Před 2 dny +3

      Joost has reacted under this video, we are all linked. Live for humanity. Study for humanity, never follow this government crap and we will be alright. If you see my clips channel you can see I've clipped joost story in this video. Humanity lives on, we must unite! ❤

    • @JonkoJointson
      @JonkoJointson Před 2 dny +1

      trouwens ik ben nederlands, kwart fries. If you want to know something about the frisians then I'll tell you their secrets, they named themselves after the nordic goddess freya, freya is the goddess of freedom and fertility, the dutch word vrijen, vrijdag(friday/freyaday) comes from freya. We are freya's children who desire freedom. the fact joost made this entry already proves my hypothesis. Vrijen the word for intercourse literally refers to being free. Frisians desire freedom and EBU is denying them. This speaks volumes to where europe is aiming to head and how strong the human spirit truly is. @joostklein1

    • @JonkoJointson
      @JonkoJointson Před 2 dny

      FREE(SIAN) JOOST! THEY ACTUALLY REMOVED THE FRISIAN FLAG FROM GOOGLE!

  • @catarinavh1835
    @catarinavh1835 Před 15 dny +797

    "Isn't this entire song about how Joost is an International Klein?" SENT me, omg,

  • @nataliaruman955
    @nataliaruman955 Před 3 dny +107

    After Eurovision this film is even more tragic

    • @lLenn2
      @lLenn2 Před 17 hodinami

      Sorry, but I can't sympathize with a sexual predator.

    • @jealous6434
      @jealous6434 Před 16 hodinami +5

      @@lLenn2 stop spreading lies lol, where did you even get that from 💀

    • @lLenn2
      @lLenn2 Před 16 hodinami

      @@jealous6434 There's al literal police investigation running against him. 💀

  • @wesleyhunt7599
    @wesleyhunt7599 Před 3 dny +87

    One got zero televote points and one got disqualified. This is a sad video in hindsight.

  • @cy5704
    @cy5704 Před 4 dny +170

    well, this aged well.

    • @overthinkingit
      @overthinkingit  Před 4 dny +166

      Trying to decide which crying emoji is right for this.

    • @kilbeam99
      @kilbeam99 Před 4 dny +31

      ​@@overthinkingitall of them :(

    • @burakalp34
      @burakalp34 Před 4 dny +32

      ​@@overthinkingitJoost deserved to be up there today

    • @JonkoJointson
      @JonkoJointson Před 2 dny

      @@overthinkingit The frisians(joost's people) named themselves after nordic goddess freya, the word friday comes from freya, just like tuesday is twizday, wednesday is wodansday(wodan is a diff name for odin) and thursday is thorsday. Friday is the day you get to be free, you get the week-end. The fact they disqualified a frisian with the message of freedom speaks volumes to europe's agenda. Eur-o-pean, you're-a-peon. Peon; noun
      1. a Spanish American day labourer or unskilled farm worker.
      2. (in South and SE Asia) a low-ranking worker such as an attendant, orderly, or assistant.
      "the elder son is a peon at a nearby school"
      Frisians want freedom, the word vrijen in dutch means to have intercourse, friday is called vrijdag in dutch. free=vrij.
      I believe the EBU did this for a reason to subconsciously prove a point.
      Note: the frisian flag has been removed by google.

  • @joopidema
    @joopidema Před 9 dny +358

    For an American being able to get this so spot on is amazing. Did not know Americans were into Eurovision at all.
    Great work!

    • @lise1255
      @lise1255 Před 3 dny +4

      Not even Europeans are into it, - ( apart from lgbtq, hairdressers, children and the artists family ). Normal adults watch anything else.

    • @SVUfannyc
      @SVUfannyc Před 2 dny +2

      I been watching them for like close to a decade when some videos got barely past 1000views!
      I love that they get more love now!

    • @venipaunski4965
      @venipaunski4965 Před 2 dny +8

      @@lise1255 Normal adults watch Eurovision. I used to watch it with my family then I'd discuss it with my friends who had also watched it with their family. But that was when our country made good songs :(

    • @lise1255
      @lise1255 Před 2 dny

      @@venipaunski4965 I did so too, as a child, but it was like the audience and general quality changed dramatically in the mid nineties. Today I don't know anyone that would waste their time with it. The internet and streaming services has also provided better alternatives.

  • @andreluismarin8095
    @andreluismarin8095 Před 15 dny +526

    Aruban here, we’re also really proud of our Joost Klein! He may be Frisian but he speaks with the backing of the entire Dutch kingdom behind him.

    • @sebastian0107
      @sebastian0107 Před 15 dny +13

      That's really nice!

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny +8

      That's so nice to hear Andre and it makes me happy😊 Are there also reaction videos on Europapa from Arubans?

    • @andreluismarin8095
      @andreluismarin8095 Před 13 dny +10

      @@rakrega My 2 year old son rocks the suv when the hakken starts

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny

      @@andreluismarin8095Great to hear he’s enjoying himself 💙
      Btw did you see the video made by kids of a primary school (group 6, 7 and 8)? Check out Europapa OBS de Horizon. It’s fun and quite good.

    • @nienkehuijbens301
      @nienkehuijbens301 Před 12 dny +4

      That's a lovely sentiment and completely true

  • @laviniaandrei
    @laviniaandrei Před 2 dny +55

    Am I the only one thinking this video needs a post-Eurovision sequel?

  • @Izerion
    @Izerion Před 3 dny +43

    I am a Dutch person who normally does not care at all about EuroVision (I did not even know it was coming up, if you can believe it). I thought the entire show was just a collection of intentionally bad vapid pop. This video randomly came up in my recommendations and I figured I'd give it a watch, basically just to laugh at whatever nonsense we sent in this time, and how you could possibly fill half of an 50 minute video talking about it.
    I couldn't be more wrong, I found this to be an amazing video. It managed to make me actively care about the outcome of the EuroVision, when previously I had no idea about the range of genres represented in the show, let alone the underlying emotions behind many of the songs. My expectations were thoroughly shattered, and the level of research in this video (and several of the others I have watched since then) impressed me almost as much as the Frogger joke. Seriously, that one had me laughing so much I had to pause the video.
    Then right after watching this video I decided to google Joost to see how well he was doing, and found out that he was disqualified 15 minutes earlier??? :( What a damn rollercoaster of emotions. Unbelievable.
    My opinion as a brand new EuroVision aficionado may be of limited value, but I wish him much strength after this. The song is an actual banger that I am sure will live on long past this moment. Keep up the good work Joost and Overthinking It!

  • @dashaw3255
    @dashaw3255 Před 3 dny +91

    I dont give two shit if they disqualified him. Being an non-eu person, I Wasn't even that invested in eurovision to begin with, but this is without a doubt, the best damn song from the contest and its message is something that deeply resonate with me. Nemo may have lifted the trophy, but Klein won it, and the spirit of Eurovision, which is one of Unity.

  • @featherlessredheads
    @featherlessredheads Před 15 dny +443

    Incredible video! You told Joost’s story so well, and we Dutch people are so so proud of him!

  • @namefinder
    @namefinder Před 3 dny +73

    Seeing this video after Joost was kicked out this is terribly sad 😢

  • @kilbeam99
    @kilbeam99 Před 4 dny +126

    Watching this after what happened today at the Eurovision finale, it just makes me more mad at the injustice of it all.
    For Joost, this was a deepmy meaningful moment. Something he promised his late father and mother he would do. And he did do it! But then, after he was filmed against his will in an extremely vulnerable moment, he gets disqualified.
    I hope something is done to rectify this. This is horrible.

    • @magnetronmaaltijden
      @magnetronmaaltijden Před 4 dny +2

      He used it to make a statement. Viva Palestina!

    • @dormant_informant
      @dormant_informant Před 4 dny +1

      I got this video recommended during the finale and decided to watch it during the point giving.
      Took a break to see how the score was and the Netherlands showed up (well, the actual representative was missing) and.....Did we just got boo’ed? :(

    • @LisaMo3434
      @LisaMo3434 Před 4 dny +16

      @@dormant_informantI think the booing was for the EBU? Wasn’t totally clear but the guy presenting the Dutch points was an EBU official

    • @vincentstef5708
      @vincentstef5708 Před 4 dny +18

      ​@dormant_informant EBU got booed not you

    • @dormant_informant
      @dormant_informant Před 3 dny +4

      @@vincentstef5708 You're right, it was for the producer, Martin Österdahl. I interpreted it as it was for us not showing up to distribute the points.

  • @buibuich775
    @buibuich775 Před 15 dny +322

    Don't know if it's because you've got more interesting artists and songs to analyze this year than usual, but you guys are on a hotstreak. This and the Greece video are some of the best work I've ever seen about the contest.

  • @andrijamitic3434
    @andrijamitic3434 Před 3 dny +18

    43:14 "...and Europapa might not get a lot of love from the juries"
    IF ONLY HE KNEW HOW RIGHT HE WAS

  • @quinob
    @quinob Před 15 dny +213

    You guys take Eurovision song analysis to a completely different level. Thank you!

  • @johannes_floehr
    @johannes_floehr Před 15 dny +203

    Seeing Otto Waalkes, my childhood's no 1 comedian, on a Eurovision video is something i really dreamed of

    • @MyBroSux24
      @MyBroSux24 Před 15 dny +19

      I'm shocked to hear that they didnt know how to label Otto. He's a solo comic act somewhat in fashion of Monty python. Couldn't name an old English stage act that does similar things as Otto tho...

    • @Jessy9991
      @Jessy9991 Před 15 dny +8

      I hate comedians with a passion, but Otto Walkes is one of a few exceptions. He's always been HILARIOUS.

    • @Drag_on_king
      @Drag_on_king Před 15 dny +5

      We need to send Otto to Eurovision... simply so that can overthinking Eurovision can make a video overthinking Otto.

    • @MyBroSux24
      @MyBroSux24 Před 15 dny +5

      Maybe a mix of Weird Al and Monty Python is what i would call what otto has done

    • @MyBroSux24
      @MyBroSux24 Před 15 dny +2

      oh and he voiced Mushu in the 90s Mulan.

  • @tobyornot
    @tobyornot Před 8 dny +103

    Your review is as multi layered and in depth as Joost Klein's Europapa is constructed . By revealing this step by step, you're unearthing a gem. I want to express my respect for both both you and Joost. This is a one of a kind song that will be iconic anthem for years to come. Thank you for putting so much love in it!

  • @rheffic1971
    @rheffic1971 Před 15 dny +269

    terrific video, the "bizarden" comparison with Joost is inspired.
    my favourite "hidden detail" of Europapa is at the start of the full version of the Outro.
    This begins "Een kruistocht in mijn spijkerbroek," i.e. "a crusade in my jeans."
    The reference is to the widely-beloved Dutch children's novel from 1973 by Thea Beckman, "Kruistocht in Spijkerbroek," in which a lad is transported by a time-machine back to the year 1212 and ends up in the Children's Crusade (a tragic episode of European history) --- book was filmed (big-budget Dutch production, English-language) with Johnny Flynn and Emily Watson in 2006.

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny +5

      Outro:
      czcams.com/video/CG4fAORVDiA/video.html

    • @nienkehuijbens301
      @nienkehuijbens301 Před 12 dny +5

      I hadn't even spotted that! Awesome symbolism

  • @FelixYates1
    @FelixYates1 Před 3 dny +16

    This makes the injustice of the disqualification even more heartbreaking. I didn’t watch Eurovision this year (boycotting) but what a deserving winner.

  • @magnetronmaaltijden
    @magnetronmaaltijden Před 4 dny +37

    It looks like this one is gonna need to get a part 2 ;)

  • @olivnight
    @olivnight Před 15 dny +180

    I can’t believe you did this again… I didn’t care about Marina Satti before watching your video about her. I didn’t care about Joost before watching this video. Thank you, that was super interesting, I looked at him in totally different light.

  • @WillyDerDubbelDecker
    @WillyDerDubbelDecker Před 4 dny +30

    Justice for Joost!!!

  • @abbyniloingsigh7188
    @abbyniloingsigh7188 Před 14 dny +70

    Gary Barlow is huge, I can’t believe he is the running joke of this video 😂

    • @RinZ3993
      @RinZ3993 Před 7 dny +5

      Bigger than Elton John?😮

    • @ApequH
      @ApequH Před 6 dny +3

      But he can't pass salt water? I have no idea who that is

    • @melintir
      @melintir Před 6 dny +3

      Take that was huge 2 decades ago, these days...nobody knows who Gary Barlow is outside the UK

    • @MrStGeorgeIllawarra
      @MrStGeorgeIllawarra Před 5 dny +2

      Gary Barlow WAS huge.

    • @Shulypoo
      @Shulypoo Před dnem

      Back in the 90s he was SUPER famous here in Italy (along with Take That obviously).

  • @kentillborn
    @kentillborn Před 11 dny +39

    Just so everyone know who Otto Waalkes is: He's a LEGEND in Germany. He's a comedian/actor/artist that's been around for decades and if you ever saw him in real life you'd be confused that man is a real person.

  • @ESCHayden
    @ESCHayden Před 15 dny +136

    As a Brit I've been wary of UK writing songs specifically for Eurovision, as it's easy for someone to fall into the trap of writing a song that they *think* makes a good Eurovision song, when actually it doesn't because it's too kitschy, cheesy or generic. In the same podcast you referred to, they also mentioned that some of the songs they listened to were too "Eurovision-esque". I get thay they wanted a more commercial sounding song, but I'd be curious to hear some of these songs to see if any of them would have been a good pick. Just because a song isn't your typical commecial song, doesn't mean it can't be commercially successful, as evidenced by Joost. You make a good argument that actually writing a song specifically for Eurovision may actually bot be such a bad idea after all.

    • @thenamelesscookie
      @thenamelesscookie Před 15 dny +26

      Interestingly, the reverse was the case for Europapa. Joost has explained in an interview that he would've loved to make it harder - as in, way more happy hardcore and gabber than it is now. Instead, they made the decision to throw a lot of pop in there, to appeal to a wider audience. It's a move that has probably saved the song: the gabber makes it stand out and is a wonderful tribute to a Dutch subculture that is still alive and thriving (!), but the pop makes it digestible to international listeners who aren't familiar with the genre - thus commercializing the song, but without losing its essence.

    • @sirprintalot
      @sirprintalot Před 15 dny +3

      yeah I'm going to need to hear the rest of Olly's album to know if they made a mistake but it's probably a load of other radio hits. I think Dizzy probably has a staging plan they really want to execute, which makes Dizzy a song designed for a live show, with stronger radio songs to follow later in the year to profit off ESC.

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 Před 15 dny +3

      Europapa perhaps is more Europop/Eurodance, that's something more relevant to central/mainland Europe than it has been to UK music. How he dresses and acts in that MV is likely more accepted in that context. Cultural differences

    • @littleblackpistol
      @littleblackpistol Před 15 dny +6

      It might be, if you understand what a 'good Eurovision song' actually IS these days, which the souls charged with picking entries for the UK do NOT, paired with a record industry and artist's roster that thinks it's way too good for Eurovision and the artists that may be suitable and want to go never getting approached by the cabal in charge of picking entries. Honestly Sam Ryder seems to be more of an accidentally good choice than an informed one.

  • @amandamilkens801
    @amandamilkens801 Před 15 dny +89

    I have been so excited about "Europapa" since it came out. I told about it to my own father and he watched it's music video. Dad said that song was interesting calling it eurohumppapop (humppa is type of Finnish Dance music) and interpreted ending where sky is blue and yellow as remembrance of sympathy for Ukraine.

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny +4

      I also showed the music video to my father! And explained what it’s about. He is basically only listening to classical music, but he instantly liked it. I was so surprised and very happy about his reaction.

    • @rakrega
      @rakrega Před 13 dny +3

      The colors in the end reminded me of some of Vincent Van Gogh’s paintings. The ‘Last Supper’ scene reminded me of the light/dark tones of Rembrandt. The music video itself is a masterpiece of its own imo.
      That's the nice thing about art: it opens all kinds of valves in people's thoughts and feelings.

  • @hiskeplantinga1519
    @hiskeplantinga1519 Před 3 dny +14

    Ahh, watching this "the day after". Hear you speculate about Joost' next trauma free music. I think poor Joost has just been dealt another trauma by EBC. How ironic

  • @Cherlindrea99
    @Cherlindrea99 Před 15 dny +58

    You just told me some amazing things about Europapa I didn't know and I thought I knew a lot... The meaning of "stay here until I die" explained while you prove the older man in the video is Joost himself. And your tulip metaphor is brilliant. Thank you so much! ❤

    • @Games_and_Music
      @Games_and_Music Před 15 dny +5

      Indeed, i keep hearing it on the radio, but it just sounded really dumb to me, the simplistic lyrics, the tacky "announcer voice" during the verses and the weak chorus singing (he's got a voice for voiceover work, not for singing or rapping).
      I wasn't aware that he also wears those weird clothes, i thought he was just another fake hipster with a mullet, but now i actually understand that it's all twisted.
      Still don't like the song though, but do have a better appreciation of Joost and i can stop cringing as much when i hear it again, hah.

  • @antonina8337
    @antonina8337 Před 3 dny +8

    15:41 "He was sent home by the school counselors for being too much of a nuisance"
    Lmao some things don't change

  • @Celebrian13
    @Celebrian13 Před 2 dny +6

    Both of them made Eurovision history. One by being disqualified, one with 0 points from televotes... Story ended with the plot twist I guess.

  • @PPfilmemacher
    @PPfilmemacher Před 15 dny +81

    Wow you really made me rethink my opinion about this years Netherlands entry putting it down as „nonsense“ song

    • @evastapaard2462
      @evastapaard2462 Před 15 dny +9

      oh no! anything but nonsense!

    • @Games_and_Music
      @Games_and_Music Před 15 dny +3

      Same here, although i still don't think it's a great track, as i grew up listening to "real" Hardcore, DJ Paul Elstak hasn't been known to be a "true" Hardcore DJ for ages, but the cheesy (no pun intended) lyrics make a lot more sense now.
      And although i'm not entirely a fan of the "gratuitous suffering", on the other hand, i was also a major Nirvana fan until Kurt was no more (when i was 10), which is exactly 30 years ago this month actually.
      So yeah, knowing all this, i don't dislike the track as much anymore, and i appreciate Joost more, but i still don't really expect it to do well, as i think that it just lacks energy to make it really exciting, and it doesn't have the emotional punch to make this some timeless classic, but it did well in the charts, i was surprised to hear that it topped it for 5 weeks.
      That example they used of DJ Paul Elstak's Rainbow in the Sky, that is an energetic chart classic, Elstak should've used some of that energy in this one.
      But yeah, i don't actually follow Eurovision, algorithm brought me here after watching an F1 video, but i was kinda curious to know who Joost really was, because i never watch Dutch TV anymore and only hear some songs on the radio at work.
      Not to end on a too morbid note, he's 26 now, just kinda wondering, he turns 27 in November this year, will he make it to 28 after this rebirth, or... y'know, Club 27, 50/50 chance imo.
      But i hope the best for him of course.

    • @evastapaard2462
      @evastapaard2462 Před 14 dny

      @@Games_and_Music yes. that's morbid....and I'm worried now.

  • @rurounikun9784
    @rurounikun9784 Před 3 dny +14

    We all know who really won. It's undeniably Joost, his music has reached a kpop girlie like myself who isn't even European. Wishing only the best things in the world for Joost

  • @Chuck1221111981
    @Chuck1221111981 Před 2 dny +8

    Rewatching this is making me so sad that Joost didn't get to perform

  • @velvetyblack3745
    @velvetyblack3745 Před 15 dny +61

    There are many songs this year that talk about pretty serious things (Europapa, Zari, La Noia, Rim Tim Tagi Dim etc.) that are catchy or even sound ridiculous to some people. However, when you analyse it this way you can see that there's something behind these fast beats and funky clothes. As someone already said, by hearing an analysis like this you can listen to a song in a completely different way and start to even like it (if you didn't before). So thank you, Overthinking It, you're doing a great job!

    • @wasserschmidt
      @wasserschmidt Před 15 dny +9

      And to think Eurovision used to have this image of being all glitz and ridiculousness. Thank you "Overthinking Eurovision" for showcasing the deep stuff.

  • @angelamarinus1426
    @angelamarinus1426 Před 15 dny +38

    Wow... You really did your homework to find out all this details abouth Joost. Thank you. Greetings from the Netherlands 😀

  • @BenCG
    @BenCG Před 15 dny +72

    The most American thing about this whole video is nothing to do with not knowing who Gary Barlow is, but to swiftly go on to compare the UK and Netherlands journeys at Eurovision to Hollywood movies.

    • @stefaniagobessi8582
      @stefaniagobessi8582 Před 6 dny +5

      thought the same....always go back to US at the center of the world....

  • @Guimaster127
    @Guimaster127 Před 15 dny +41

    This might probably be the single best video you guys have ever done. Great script, great pacing and great depth. This is amazing, please keep it up! :)

  • @mikehunt2805
    @mikehunt2805 Před 4 dny +14

    well this is a bit awkward now

  • @heyy13
    @heyy13 Před 15 dny +38

    I've never heard gabber pronounced "ha-ber" and it took me far too long to figure out what you were talking about. But this video is absolutely amazing. Seriously good job by everyone who contributed to this. The breakdown of Joost's influences, life and Europapa was phenomenal. You've done such stunning work this year with your videos.

    • @antonievanbruchem4540
      @antonievanbruchem4540 Před 15 dny +6

      It wasn't that difficult to understand. Honestly one of the better pronunciations of the Dutch 'g'-sound from a foreigner.

    • @MatthewWrather
      @MatthewWrather Před 15 dny +5

      @@antonievanbruchem4540THANK YOU! I try.

    • @heyy13
      @heyy13 Před 14 dny +2

      @antonievanbruchem4540 No, its more that i'm a philistine who has only ever heard it called gabber with a hard G. Haha. This was not an insult but a self own.

  • @fernandogordillo9347
    @fernandogordillo9347 Před 15 dny +41

    EPIC video! thanks for doing the overthinking so that I don't have to. And thanks for bringing my appreciation for Europapa to a whole deeper level!

  • @SVUfannyc
    @SVUfannyc Před 2 dny +4

    The epilogue, in which you mention the tulips, is just so poetic and beautiful

  • @Peertje304
    @Peertje304 Před 3 dny +7

    The depth of the song and video is insane

  • @cosmicvortecs
    @cosmicvortecs Před 3 dny +8

    this is going to need a follow up....

  • @manyworldsin1
    @manyworldsin1 Před 15 dny +24

    This video was amazing. Its obvious that the script took many days and weeks to write. Thank you for making my 2024 eurovision and my day better.

  • @henner777
    @henner777 Před 4 dny +12

    It’s the day of Eurovision final 2024 and those dark things you were mentioning in Joosts past now coming to fruition, allegedly… shame we don’t get a conclusion between what Europe would’ve chosen, my hope is that EBU and hopefully Joost/Netherlands can recover from this.

  • @alfonsstekebrugge8049
    @alfonsstekebrugge8049 Před 15 dny +19

    Lovely video, absolutely sold Europapa to whoever is watching this. It is a work of art that works on so many levels masquerading as a children's song. The absolute inversion of all inversions.

  • @Pleezath
    @Pleezath Před 3 dny +7

    I genuely am lost for words besides F*ck the EBU

  • @bi_smth
    @bi_smth Před 15 dny +18

    Europapa is easily my winner this year. theres so much heart behind but while still being joyous

  • @rutholdfield3679
    @rutholdfield3679 Před 15 dny +19

    2 minutes in ... OK, I need to get my knitting for THIS EPIC ...!!!!

  • @meticulousgeek
    @meticulousgeek Před 15 dny +67

    Either the people that did the research are super in tune with Europe or they had to do a ton of research (or probably both). This is spot on, what a great analysis. I'm Dutch and even learned a few things!

    • @RetroGamingMusicCom
      @RetroGamingMusicCom Před 5 dny +1

      I bet you, their fan Base on Discord is providing them with alot of facts from all the corners of Europe. But what amazing job to make the story so interesting and captivating!!! I didn't think I would watch this video in it's full but I got hooked to it.

    • @overthinkingit
      @overthinkingit  Před 5 dny +8

      This is exactly right. I don't consider myself an expert on Eurovision, Europe, music, or much of anything. No one should imagine for a moment I previously knew who DJ Gladde Paling was. But I've worked as a reporter before and this is the same thing. You read what's already out there, you ask a lot of questions, you make it all flow nicely from idea to idea, and you add some fart jokes. For each of the videos this year there were people on the Discord, Reddit, and elsewhere who were very generous with their time. When Joost commented on this video, I took a screenshot and sent it right to them. -MB

  • @atomiclena128
    @atomiclena128 Před 15 dny +28

    Seeing Arjen Lubach an Overthinking It video is so strange. Incredible analysis as always!

  • @FlyingTurtleLP
    @FlyingTurtleLP Před 15 dny +31

    Talking about how bad the UK and the NL scores in the ESC ... meanwhile germany: Are we a joke to you?

    • @efi3825
      @efi3825 Před 15 dny +5

      I know you are half kidding, but it's a good time to mention, Germany got a lot of recognition from Overthinking It this year. The data analysis video, the Stefan Raab video, and Matt Wrathers little intervention in the Croatia video.

    • @FlyingTurtleLP
      @FlyingTurtleLP Před 15 dny +7

      @@efi3825 That is true! What made me laugh a bit was the part that the NL once scored 7 Points, which was the worst result since the 70s, if I recall correctly. While germany scored 0 overall points multiple times in the last two decades. But yeah... I'll be mad if NL does not win this year, just as much as I was mad last year when FI didn't win.

    • @efi3825
      @efi3825 Před 15 dny +2

      @@FlyingTurtleLP True, 7 points already feels like a little accomplishment :P
      The Netherlands will be in the top 5 this year, I'm pretty sure. At least in the public voting. But winning? That's a tall order. It's hard to tell wh will actually win the whole thing. But the NL is up there, so... good luck ;)

    • @FlyingTurtleLP
      @FlyingTurtleLP Před 15 dny +2

      @@efi3825 Usually I tlike a few songs that participate in the ESC, but this year almost all songs are at least decent (when it comes to my taste.). But... It wont take long untill we find out!

  • @excho
    @excho Před 15 dny +24

    Well done, you made me cry and move Netherlands in my top 10 - from 10th to 7th, overtaking my birth country of Lithuania. 😅😭

    • @efi3825
      @efi3825 Před 15 dny +6

      Luktelk is good fun too, though :)

    • @excho
      @excho Před 15 dny +2

      @@efi3825 It is, but the chorus is disappointingly sleepy. It fits the lyrics, though. 🤷‍♀

    • @vladsafronov7642
      @vladsafronov7642 Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@efi3825 And much like Europapa, it deals with a painful topic: erectile dysfunction 🥹

    • @sebastian0107
      @sebastian0107 Před 14 dny

      @@vladsafronov7642 🤣

  • @stan-woods
    @stan-woods Před 10 dny +10

    You definitely did your research! Amazing video! We are super proud of Joost. I genuinely feel like Joost deserves to win when you look at his song in detail. Thank you for explaining this to the world. Wonderful job❤ Whatever the outcome, Joost already won for us Dutchies.

  • @Telsion
    @Telsion Před 15 dny +24

    What an excellent video!
    I knew the backstory to Europapa, being Dutch, despite that I still missed things like the Maastricht vlag, and this whole connection with Dizzy is masterfully laid out.

  • @ultrapremiumuser
    @ultrapremiumuser Před 2 dny +5

    I was not emotionally prepared

  • @ESCJaden
    @ESCJaden Před 15 dny +15

    That was the best explanation of Europapa i have heard and the only one i will think off when i hear this song. This really all makes sense.

  • @Buckelporsche
    @Buckelporsche Před 2 dny +4

    This video has been crucial for my understanding of @joostklein1´s art as it is not that easy to get at first if you don´t speak dutch. Thank you so much for this excellent research which made me go down the rabbit hole and become a Joost Klein Superfan. I will actually start learning dutch to be able to understand more. It is an unforgivable shame how the EBU robbed him of his dream of Eurovision. #justiceforjoost #droomgroot

  • @housefox92
    @housefox92 Před 10 hodinami +2

    This video was so much deeper than I expected. The bizarden metaphor was beautiful and now I'm actually fully crying

  • @yaneev.t
    @yaneev.t Před 3 dny +4

    Looking forward for next chapter, seeing how Eurovision actually ended for both of them.
    thanks for this video, it definitely looks like a fruit of love.

  • @littleblackpistol
    @littleblackpistol Před 15 dny +13

    Great video, but I can boil it down to one thing; Europapa is an interesting, bold entry with actual depth behind the kitsch, while Dizzy is an inoffensive but utterly standard, dull romantic lurve song we've all heard version of approximately five million times since birth.

  • @CoolGamingBoys007
    @CoolGamingBoys007 Před 15 dny +50

    i think Europapa will do better with the jurys now you have fully explained its meaning. Proud Dutchy Here! Go Joost GO!

  • @Gabrielle4870
    @Gabrielle4870 Před 8 hodinami +2

    Thank you for putting in so much effort. As a Dutch person living on the other side of the world, the Joost phenomenon had passed me by. In one video, I'm up to speed. Not only that, very appreciative of Joost's art.

  • @emmalilliestam1817
    @emmalilliestam1817 Před 9 dny +12

    By Swedish standards, 9th place would get you exiled to St Bartholomew 😂😂😂
    What I truly love about this channel is that you are Americans who take stuff seriously. You try to pronounce things well, you research stuff properly, and make great analyses. As a result, you also create 💯 jokes like this one. ❤❤

  • @MichielVeenstra
    @MichielVeenstra Před 9 dny +12

    You're insane in-depth analysis of Europapa (both lyrics, music and video) made me respect it even more. Great video!

  • @motherofslavs8761
    @motherofslavs8761 Před 15 dny +14

    And again, you crushed it, you nailed it, you spectacularly overthought it.
    Masterfull!

  • @tagaway6173
    @tagaway6173 Před 10 dny +2

    This video was amazing.
    Thank you so much. ❤❤❤
    I've been binge watching your 2024 videos while cleaning.
    Ill comment in the rest when i watch them again after Eurovision 😅

  • @alchemik666
    @alchemik666 Před 15 dny +43

    You know, I was watching and enjoying Eurovision since I can remember, never missing a contest for the past 30 years or so. But until the CZcams algorithm showed me your channel, I was never truly IMMERSED in Eurovision, with all the context and real appreciation for the artists behind all those quirky songs.
    Thank you so much for all this amazing content, I had no idea how much I needed this in my life. ^^

  • @esc1074
    @esc1074 Před 15 dny +11

    One of my favourite entries which makes me smile, dance and tear up. Besides that, all respect for Joost Klein for making his Eurovision dream become reality and more important dealing with his tragic loss in this way, with a smile and a tear. For me this years entry with the most touching story and will give him my 12 points. Good luck and all the best!

  • @froggary
    @froggary Před 15 dny +25

    Damn the South African accent you put on for "takin' the piss" was quite impressive

    • @crow22zero
      @crow22zero Před 15 dny

      Time frame please? I must have missed that lol

    • @froggary
      @froggary Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@crow22zero 5:18
      I think it's supposed to be a Cockney or Brummie accent but it sounded more South African or Australian to me lol

    • @MatthewWrather
      @MatthewWrather Před 15 dny +4

      We’re Americans - you gotta be a little impressed we even know those are two different places 😂

  • @jessamineprice5803
    @jessamineprice5803 Před 15 dny +17

    I didn’t know this video would make me late for work but it was worth it! I’ve been listening to both songs and Europapa is the one I keep coming back to. Partly bc I get motion sickness watching the Dizzy video. Seriously! But also bc Europapa came sooo out of left field. It’s weird, it’s full of sudden breaks and shifts, the music video is a literal and emotional journey…and it’s ALL IN DUTCH. The only words I understood the first time I heard it were “Stromae Papa Outais.” But I can’t get it out of my head and it makes me want to learn Dutch. I like Olly Alexander and I want him to have all the success in the world, but Joost Klein has that JNSQ (Je ne sais quoi)

  • @MyPatty1996
    @MyPatty1996 Před dnem +4

    I'm an American, Europapa hits harder than 99% of the music that's popular here. Joost doesn't need a title his song is the only eurovision song that pops up on my timeline. The true definition of viral.

  • @pythonrecords4449
    @pythonrecords4449 Před 15 dny +10

    This has been my favourite Overthinking Episode! Absolutely mind blowing. Well done 😮❤

  • @19jenbob
    @19jenbob Před 15 dny +5

    Top tier video. Such an interesting watch. Thanks for all your work researching and putting these together. Thoroughly enjoyable, love the humour and learn so much. 🥇👏

  • @martinnur
    @martinnur Před 15 dny +42

    Great video as always. The more I know about Joost the more I want him to win!!! I from the first time I saw the video without understanding a word of Dutch I felt super happy and at the end so sad, that I thought this is genius and genuine. For me there is no other this year than Joost to win ! Greetings from Spain!

    • @MirandaH.-cc9fp
      @MirandaH.-cc9fp Před 12 dny +3

      Thank you Martin, L❤VE from The NL 🎉 Let’s party together 🎉

  • @Rozilara1974
    @Rozilara1974 Před 4 dny +3

    Wowwww…this is great…thank you for enlightening us…you nailed it with your research! I want to see more of you. You are informative mixed with humour and you present it perfectly…❤️

  • @HabitualParadox
    @HabitualParadox Před 15 dny +11

    This was such a good video! I thought I probably wouldn't learn anything new about Joost's song since I'm Dutch and have been hearing lots about him, but you managed to peel that tulip bulb and reveal a couple layers I hadn't seen before!

  • @sullivan__
    @sullivan__ Před 12 dny +7

    The story is not over yet! Olly ❤️

    • @sebastian0107
      @sebastian0107 Před 12 dny +1

      Almost. A few more days of suffering for the poor guy; will he hit those final notes & for more than 1 sec.?

  • @antonia555
    @antonia555 Před 15 dny +8

    This only made me love Europapa even more. Great work, I really enjoy these videos.

  • @realpauldano
    @realpauldano Před 3 dny +4

    dude you jinxed it 😭😭😭😭

  • @Talal-tr8gi
    @Talal-tr8gi Před 15 dny +5

    Wow you made a video about EXACTLY my top 2 😂 I have been waiting soooo long for joost’s video knowing how nuanced it will be but having olly on it wasn’t on my bingo card thanks 🤘🏼

  • @nikanokoi
    @nikanokoi Před 15 dny +3

    Thank you so much for this amazing gem of a video! I had goosebumps and cried when you explained Joost's song even though I already knew what it was about. Your metaphors were immaculate too, wow! Love your channel so so much!

  • @beetlejuice9459
    @beetlejuice9459 Před 15 dny +19

    This totally changes my perspective on the Europapa music video. It never occurred to me that the old man could be future Joost.
    Thank you for such thorough research!

  • @koen_stadman1720
    @koen_stadman1720 Před 3 dny +7

    #justice for Joost klein

  • @qilorar
    @qilorar Před 5 dny +1

    Yet again,amazing analysis and storytelling. You made me cry. Great job

  • @IvoG
    @IvoG Před 6 dny +1

    I have never seen one of your videos I think, and I’ve seen the Europapa video so much since the day it came out as my son is obsessed with it.
    But your video has given me so much more insight into Joost, the song, the video, and all of the Dutch ESC history than I thought was possible. What an exceptional video, where you took the time to research this all and even had proper pronunciation of Dutch words which are almost impossible in English.
    This video for me is in the top 3 best videos I’ve ever seen on CZcams (I’m being cautious here as I can’t really think of which other would be 1 and 2, but yours is definitely on that podium!)
    I’ve subscribed and will be watching the other ESC2024 content you made also, I hope you’ll have a follow-up after the winner is announced on Saturday.

  • @leslie6757
    @leslie6757 Před 4 dny +7

    I am so upset about Joost's DQ :(

  • @realpirate
    @realpirate Před 15 dny +10

    Thank you for this . I bawled my head off after listening to it for the first time - Trots op Joost , de groeten en support uit Venlo 🏳‍🌈 🏴‍☠❤

    • @LouiseNLotn
      @LouiseNLotn Před 7 dny +1

      De groeten uit Zoetermeer terug!❤️💙👋🏻

  • @mariannelagerwaard-heijkoo2117

    Thanks for sharing ❤ love from the Netherlands 🇾🇪

  • @roozz33
    @roozz33 Před 15 dny +1

    Wonderful video, makes me even more excited to see both on stage!

  • @d.pastor6548
    @d.pastor6548 Před 2 dny +3

    Otto Walkes, the original Frisenjung, lol, the one and only. He has been a commedian for decades, composer, actor, musician (though its usually in comedic form) and cartoonist with his Ottifanten. He is from the northern region of Germany. My grandonkel had met him a few times a long time ago when Otto was young, he seemed friendly. My other Onkel had all his records, thats how i got introduced. He was definetely unusual back in the 70s when he started out, ahead of his time, but VERY funny. I STILL have some of his jokes in my head 😅. This video was great, clearly a lot of work and fast turn around 😮

  • @lulaby98
    @lulaby98 Před 5 dny +7

    JUSTICE FOR JOOST! 💙🇳🇱

  • @timenotime
    @timenotime Před 15 hodinami +2

    since last week, I have saved Joost's songs and bought tickets to a concert next year. The duality of the music (happy surface level with deep sadness hidden within) hit home for me, and I can tell he is a genuine person with some real artistic talent, and that's why I'm going to keep him on my radar from now on

  • @GamingWithPim
    @GamingWithPim Před 8 dny +5

    Never heard of this channel, but it is legendary. You did a phenomenal job

  • @iti4753
    @iti4753 Před 2 dny +6

    I hope Joost sues eurovision for what they did. Embarrassing.