How to change rear brake pads with electric park brake using no scanner tools
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2020
- To replace rear brake pads on a car with EPB you need to electrically wind back the calipers with a scan tool. Here I will show you how to do this yourself without using expensive scanners. This only applies to cars with the motors on the calipers.
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Just to clear up some confusion. I have had a lot of questions regarding putting the epb into service mode. Basically, all you need to do is make sure the brake will not come on half way through the job. It is unlikely but you never know. Best way is to disconnect the epb motors on the calipers. Make sure they are plugged back in before turning the ignition on or pulling the switch to avoid any fault codes.
Would it be wise to disconnect the negative on the battery to make sure the EPB stays in “service mode”?
@@ad8788 yes if you are in any doubt.
hi mate i have a skoda superb and need to change the rear pads. do i HAVE to put it into service mode, or can i just leave the car running, turn the park brake off, then take off the motor and then disconnect the wires then do the work, then do the reverse of it all to put it back on?
Saving this tutorial brother... My wife took her 2020 Mini Cooper to a shop and they wanted to charge us $1000 for brake pads and rotors I brought it home and checked the rotors nothing wrong with them and pulled the caliper off the back and the damn rear pads are still good I replaced the front pads for $65 and I just wanted to know what I was getting into to get that caliper on the rear done whenever the rear ones do go out I really appreciate it brother...this video is a $$$$$ saver!!!!
After watching two other people replacing an ordinary handbrake operated calliper and they were total rubbish, it was great to see a pro doing the job properly on and electrically operated handbrake calliper. Thank you for posting this.
The absolute best video on this. And the EPB system is exactly what I thought it was
Very useful I had air behind the boot also. I had allowed the piston to come too far forward, what a fiddle that was. Various vids I’d seen appeared to turn the piston back in, but your straight push tool was my break through. Thank you!
No problem. No you don't need to twist the piston. The twist type are on the mechanical handbrake calipers.
Piston Broke Garage sir - I must offer you my most sincere thanks for offering this video with it's extremely useful information. After viewing it, I was able to push the pistons back into calipers (rear) on a 2020 Nissan Rogue. You saved me much time, expense and frustration. If ever you find yourself in Canada( London ON), please send me a notification on CZcams. The cold pints will be on me. Thank you again. Cheers.
Well if you ever find yourself in South Wales then I'll buy you a beer for leaving that comment. Cheers for watching 👍
@@pistonbroke And it'll be much tastier unless Nissan Rogue sources his pints from a micro-brewery. English ale totally pales ours in comparison (accidental pun there). But we do have some spectacular microbrews.
Thanks for the video.
I can really only say one good thing about electric parking brakes.. there's many parking pawls finally leading a long stressless relaxed long life, with associated auto tranny bits all lasting longer cuz it ceased to mix broken off chunks from time to time from Walmart parking lot bumps. Do you guys have Wal-Mart's? I guess not..but you'll have similar probably. Although you probably have far few bump stops than we do cuz you guys are generally more disciplined and skilled than here.
I've given up trying to get friends and family to use the dang parking brake on hills and everywhere to save the tranny. Only 1 ex-girlfriend actually adopted the habit and still does it to this day..bless her soul..
Come to think of it, she still blows the cold off her evaporator 1 minute out before parking too..a fine fine woman.
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I like your straightforward approach and explanations very useful. Thanks man
Nice video! Done on a 2016 Seat Leon ST and worked perfectly fine. Thanks!
Cheers, another great video, just came across it as I am about to do disc’s and pads on my Q7 .
This was an absolute life saver thank you so very much for your time. God bless you!
Thanks for posting this! made changing rear pads on my 2019 QX50 Infiniti a breeze! Really appreciate it.
No problem 👍
I followed your instructions and did a succesful pad change on my kia ceed 2012 with epb. Thanks a lot!
No problem. 👍
Thank you you have no idea how helpful you have been, have a great summer.😊
Nice info on the boot! Thank you 🤙🏼
Thanks for this video just saved me £450 on labour charges at main dealership on mini countryman f60
Very useful thanks - I’d add to remove the slider pins, they just pull out by hand, clean them, check the little gaiters for damage, grease with brake slider grease (not normal grease as it knackers the rubber) and refit. Saves stuck pins and wear.
This is applicable for those electrical park brake system whose connector has only two wire connection for the motor. If there are more than two wires that means it has sensor should not recommend this then. 👍🏻 tutorial is great
Ok cheers for that. I've never seen a caliper with more than 2 wires.
Thank you so much this was a lot of help. These newer cars are a little more technical.
Just got told by Mitsubishi a scan tool was definitely needed to do this ... I was thinking there is always a back door....and here it is in the video.....great explanation !!!!
after many video, i love to say that yours is the best and just 123 . thank you sir
Great video, I put the motor on before the caliper is bolted on so I don't have that fitment issue. I love that piston retract tool, wish I had one.
Saved me close to $3000 my friend thanks! Got another subscriber.
Who the hell charges three grand to fit brake pads ffs?
This is the best one I found out there.
Now it's time to subscribe
Did a very similar job on Peugeot 3008 SUV. I put the ignition on, took of the electronic park brake but left the gearbox in P. Undone the caliper and took off the motor same as you, but I also disconnected the cable to the motor to stop it coming on half way through the job. Once done put it all back together, no faults on the dash and all worked well.
Hey Kurt! I'm about to do the same on my 2019 3008 SUV, most videos are for the older MPV style 3008 and it seems the EPB is different and you shouldn't use a piston kit alone to push back the piston (as seen on the older car) but you should have it un-done either via the motor's socket or via the method you describe. So essentially, on the newer car, there is no need to really use a piston kit? you can simply push the piston back after it's wound-back with a screwdriver pushing the pad against it?
@@Idontwantausernamist I think you can wind out the back of caliper and then use a caliper tool to push the piston, or do them both at the same time so the piston goes down as you're winding it out on the back? It's been a few months since I did it but what you're suggesting should most likely work. Good luck.
thank you so much! this helped me out
very educative. thank you.
God bless you ! You saved my day thanks a lot
No problem. Thanks for stopping by.
Bloody lifesaver! 👍🏽
Stumbled across your channel really enjoyed it.
Think you just need to change the name of the channel as you will then attract more subscriber's. Good luck
I've changed it twice already, I just can't come up with a good name that noone else has already got.
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Very good video
very precise and usefull thank you very much
Cheers for watching 👍
Thanks so much 💓
Super ,thanks
That's a great top tip
Thnx for the information
I like the tool you used to compress the piston, I have a similar one but it's not air compressed like yours. May I ask where you purchased yours from?
Muchas gracias!!
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When u do this do u put the e brake on or off ? Or how do u set them in service mode ? Asking for vw tiguan 2015
Awesome and so much cheaper than the stealership 👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
Great video Steve 👍 I have a question though, do you need to take the cap off the brake fluid reservoir before pushing the piston back? Or is it different on these ones?
You should on all cars when changing the pads whether it's a mechanical hand brake or not.
Trying this on 2020 Kia Telluride tomorrow.
Very useful
Thank you
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Cheers
Will this work on all e brake that are electric?
How do ya take handbrake off to do job! Do you disengage handbrake and turn engine off!! Thanks again gonna try mine tomorrow morning wish me luck
Release handbrake and turn it off. Some cars will apply the brake again when you turn the ignition off, this is when you'll need to put it in service mode so that it stays off.
Thank you Pistonbroke for explaining how this system works. People might wonder the reason for electric parking brakes. Old cable operated systems rusted and stopped working after a certain point, also the cables, linkage, pedal and separate set of brake pads/shoes added to the weight of the vehicle.
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Is this a nissan? Is the brake pad the same as manual parking brake model? I found some manufacturers (bosch) have two part numbers for power or manual parking brake. I am wondering the difference. Looks like it might be the back plate of the pad? It should have a spike in order to fit into piston. Thanks
It's a Renault but these calipers are used on loads of different makes & models. The pads are more than likely different and will depend on what car it is.
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No problem 👍
Great tutorial thanks. Have heard that if the car is fitted with ABS that the bleed valve should be opened during compression of the brake piston to stop posible contamination going into the sensors. Was wondering if you can confirm? Many thanks
All cars nowadays are fitted with ABS. I've never undone a bleed nipple to push the pistons back, nor have I heard that it should be done. Sounds like bs to me, if there is contamination in the caliper then it would have already passed through the ABS unit to get to the caliper.
Thanks for the speedy reply. Just found it states to do undo the bleed valve in the Haynes manual.
@@argonaut6386 you don't need to. Haynes also states to replace all brake caliper and master cylinder seals and flexible hoses at certain intervals too.
@@pistonbroke Haynes only copy what is in Vauxhall/ Opel's actual workshop manuals. So if GM say such and such has to be changed at certain mileage then Haynes will say the same. Most of the time they even reproduce the genuine manuals line drawings. They certainly do that on the LandRover manuals I have, along with the genuine LR manual.
How to setup handbrake in service mode?
Cool video! Next week I'm going to change my Grandland. I have a question, how do I put it into service mode? I realized that Grandland was also in the video. I will be grateful for your answer.
It wasn't a Grandland, it was a Renault something or other, I can't remember! You just need to make sure the park brake is off and stays off while you're doing the job.
@@pistonbroke Everything looks exactly like on my Grandland. Thanks for the video and answer! I live in Cumnock, if there are any problems in our area, write. Good luck!
Great.
I did all of this and was able to reassemble everything but my brake light still stays on. Any suggestions. Need help. Brakes and parking brake work fine.
Do you mean the brake pad warning light? If so, you need to replace the wear sensor that goes in the pad. Also check the front brakes.
Thanks that, got me out of a bit of a hole last night on my X-Trail T32 with electric hand brake. I have found the pedal is a bit spongy now, is this normal I do I need to do a bleed as well?
What condition are the discs in? If the discs have a wear lip then the pads will need to bed in. You also need to pump the brake before applying the hand brake.
@@pistonbroke new discs and pads all round. I did what you said in the video, pumped the brake before applying the handbrake, all that worked fine it has just left the pedal a little on the soft side. Not sure why
@@tonyhobson9677 they might just want bedding in. Give it a drive and do some gentle braking. I'm assuming the calipers are not siezed, sliders are free and the pads are not tight in the carriers?
@@pistonbroke thanks pal, yes all pins were free and pistons needed little effort to return, I’ll let them run for a week or two and see how they go
Can you tell me what size torx bit is required to spin the caliper back?
I can't remember, T45 I think.
At the start when you say “set it into a service mode” what dose that mean. Do I turn the hand break off and leave in neutral?
You just need to make sure the handbrake is off and it stays off.
Have you run into a situation on a Ford where you used the service mode to wind back the calipers, replaced the pads, only to have the unit refuse to exit service mode?
No, never had that happen.
Nice video and very informative, however i have a question, on the ebc, is the motor on both sides or just one, looking to change the pads on my Jag xf.
There is a motor on both sides
@@pistonbroke there's a method of retracting the motor by connecting it to the battery, are you aware of this option?
Yes. Quicker to whip the motor off than faff about with wires and a battery
@@pistonbroke fair enough, for me i think it'll be quicker to use wires cos i have many wires hanging around and a jump lead.
@@pistonbroke replaced the rear pads on my 2011 preface lift jaguar xf and there was no motor on it, so don't think all models come with it, though it's electronic to activate in the cabin, it's completely hydraulic at the back end, even better for me.
So I'm using a manual (Schwaben) caliper crank piston retractor. It doesn't seem like the piston is retracting. Turn counterclock, or clockwise to retract? And on the epb, I turned clockwise all the way until it won't turn anymore. Any suggestions? And the piston boot is twisting.
Don't twist the piston. Do what i did in the video. Take the motor off, squeeze the piston and turn the part at the back of the caliper where the motor goes.
@@pistonbroke what is the name of the tool you used to push it back in?
Did your motor have 6 or 12 teeth? Because im very unsure on which bit i have to use to rewind the mechanisms in the calliper. Some people use torx and others use hex.
I didn't count them. I just used what fitted.
I did it exactly like you did it on my 2021 ssangyong korando. After 2 weeks left one stopped working with an epb fault. The service said left caliper need to change as a whole together with the motor on it. Very frustrating.
Maybe the seal wasn't seated properly and water has got into the motor.
Good video. Is this the same for 2019 kia proceed gtline? Everyone I've spoken to says have to use computer.
I don't know. Most cars use the same type of rear calipers. If the motors look like these ones then yes you can do it.
@@pistonbroke thanks. Done the rear brakes on my 2016 insignia with epb but no motor to remove. I'll get under and have a look
If there is no motor but it has epb then usually the actuator is somwhere under the car and it uses cables to pull the calipers. In this case you would wind the piston back as you would on a normal manual handbrake caliper.
Wy i cant bring the caliper back with unplucked wire und when in back Position i bring the Connector on ,?
Do you need a scanner to change front pads or is t just back one thanks?
No just the back ones that have electric handbrake
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Is there not a risk then of having the piston in a random position with respect to the zero position of the motor ?
The motor either has a torque sensor or a current sensor so the ecu knows when it's on or off regardless of the piston position.
@@pistonbroke Ok, thank you ! I supposed it is something similar, but some mechanics claim that it shouldn't be done without the VAGcom, because it's a risk to block the PKB....
@@robtay1983 Hello Robbie, first you have to excuse my bad english (i'm french 😁), I don't exactly understand your question : in my opinion, as you block your electric brake, your vehicle will be secured ... even when your engine is running ...
@@jansolo55 sorry Didn't mean to add it in your question.
Any probs with C4 Picasso or is it basically the same
Same I think
I had my rear pads and disks replaced on KIA Sorento 2015, and EPB started showing on the dashboard. A week later, EPB completely blocked a parking brake, and the car had to be towed to a mechanic, who said that changing rear brakes and disks is not related to EPB. Now I am waiting for maybe the worst news that the EPB module has failed and needs to be replaced..... any advice, please? Thank you
Without seeing the car I couldn't tell you what is wrong.
Before putting the motor back on, you should have would it back counter-clockwise until it bottoms out against the back of the piston so the computer does not know what happened
Don't need to. Pull the switch and the ECU will wind it out to the correct point. I've done loads this way and never had a problem
Can you just twist the piston back in only? without using the ratchet in the back like you did ?
No.
how do you set the handbrake in service mode?, what does that mean?
You just have to make sure that the brake will not come on half way through the job. It's unlikely to but you never know.
Hiya pal. So Peugeot 308 t9 manual. So if I release handbrake. Put car in gear. Then disconnect the motor connector on caliper. I'm good to go?
Yep. Make sure it's all plugged back in before turning the ignition on or you'l have fault codes.
Lastly when rewinding caliper back with the t45 torx on the rear . Are you just pushing the caliper from the front? No need for a wind tool?
Yeah, push the piston, don't wind it. You can wind the torx till it stops then squeeze the piston back, you don't need to wind and squeeze at the same time.
Thank you for taking the time to repl. Highly appreciated.
Hi mate how to do rear break on insignia 2.0l it is electric hand break is it same way or diffrient way to do it is 2012plate
No idea, never done one. Have a look at the caliper and see if it looks similar to the one in the video. Most manufacurers use similar brake parts.
@@pistonbroke thankyou mate
I did this and now I have an e-brake alarm that randomly goes on. Brakes function properly, e-brake functions properly. I did my brakes before I came across this video and did the same thing. Advice?
Disconnect battery then reconnect if no luck clear fault codes
Didn't work for me, my Kadjar has a dash like a christmas tree now, not happy.
I followed the steps given. I assume what you mean by service mode is turn of the engine and take of the negative battery terminals?
You've just got to make sure the park brake doesn't come on part way through the job. It's unlikely but it could happen. Did you connect the motors before turning the ignition on? Did you pull the switch before pumping the brake? You need to pump the brake first, then pull the switch and make sure the motors are refitted correctly and connected before turning the ignition on. The car used in this video is a Renault, I forget which model though. I've been doing it this way for years with no problems at all.
Am I safe enough to put my car in park as it's an automatic and leave it running as when the car goes off the parking brake applies automatically?
I wouldn't. You need to put it in a service mode to prevent it coming on. Last thing you need is the ecu put the brake on half way through the job.
@@pistonbroke Thanks for reply so still need a diagnostic tool to put into service mode then.
@@robtay1983 no, depends on make and model. For example, with land rover you pump the brake and hold then push the epb switch and hold it for 5 seconds. You could just disconnect the calipers to stop the brake coming on.
@@pistonbroke thank for all your replys got them done today with no probs
@@robtay1983 In this video "putting into the service mode" means disengage the parking brake and make sure it is not on. So no scan/diagnostic tool is needed here.
As easy as that brother whoopwhoop
Yep, piece of cake
What’s the socket size to manually turn caliper
Can't remember exactly. T40 or T45.
Was this ever decided? T40 or T45?
What if the piston is stuck ?
Then you would replace the caliper.
Get a bigger hammer! Haha
Informative but only half a video with bits missed. Some help but more detail would be nice. Thanks though 👍
What's missing? If you still can't do it from this vid then better off getting a pro to do it.
@@pistonbroke job done 👍
What is the car?
It was a Renault. Can't remember the model.
@@pistonbroke
Ok thanks
You don’t need to do all that extra work. Just unplug the connector add 12v on pins and retract the calliper simple
Quicker to do it this way than piss about with wires and a battery. Less than a minute to whip the motor off and wind it back with a milwaukee ratchet.
Ta ta
You didn't show how you did it how you glad the brakes or got the Piston to push out to the brake pad thanks for nothing
What? If you don't know how to pump the pistons back out then you shouldn't be working on the car. I did say what to do at the end of the video if you care to watch it all.
What a stupid comment Dawn