This Is The Craziest Electric Vehicle Charging Station In The World!
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- You join Kyle at the Sortimo Innovationspark in Zusmarshausen, Germany between Munich and Stuttgart! This is one insane DC Fast Charging installation and in this video Kyle takes you on a full tour of it.
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One BIG thing you missed @7:30 is a playground! I cannot tell you how valuable that would be for charging on a road trip with my kids! So envious! Imagine getting lunch, bathroom stop and then playground, then get back on the roadtrip. This is the future.
And dog park. With enforcement for owners to clean up the poop.
With 150+ kW charging, nobody got time for that!
Whenever we eat lunch while charging the car is at 90+ percent before we are able to finish the meal.
Good way to tire out kids before continuing the journey, maybe then they'll nap for some of the way!
Sure beats the scenery in your typical US Wal-mart parking lot. Good stuff Kyle. Thank you.
Well before the pandemic.. Most Walmarts were 24Hrs. So you had acces to walking around, shopping for just about anything, and food choices.. Not great ones.. But you could go in get stuff to make sandwiches.. etc during normal hours most have McDonalds or Dunkin or other food choices. Why would you just hang out in the parking lot? Now.. though most Walmarts close at 11PM which defiantly sucks. But this amazing place.. also just has a small area and vending machines after hours... so not that much better.
EA isn't profitable even being in Walmart parking lots. This facility is a white elephant.
@@homomorphic
Neither is any other EV charging station company. Tesla also supports their charging Network costs to a degree. They're not cost-effective nor profitable independently.
Maybe in California or places where there are lots of cars..
Walmart makes a lot of sense as a place to put charging stations. You've got some place to go that used to be open 24 hours they have food and products available. And it's an easy way to blow 30 or 40 minutes just walking around inside the store in a climate controlled environment.
After the pandemic this practicality has been somewhat reduced because Walmarts are no longer open 24 hours.
VW did not build this network because they thought it would be profitable. They built it in lieu of paying massive fines for diesel gate. Hoping that in the future perhaps it might make them some money back.
@@kens97sto171 it will have to become profitable at some point otherwise it will disappear.
@@homomorphic
I totally agree with you.
Tesla built out a massive national network long before there were enough Teslas on the road to take advantage of it. Return on investment could be long. But Volkswagen had to spend the money regardless either directly to the government as a fine or to build out this network. At least the second option holds the possibility for future income. Ultimately there are going to be far more electric vehicles that use the CCS standard then Tesla supercharger standard. That's already true in Europe where Tesla has both connectors on their cars.
My fear is that ultimately there won't be enough CCS chargers for long distance road trips. EA only has four chargers at most of their locations. For now that's not really a problem but it will be eventually.
What a fantastic idea with the immediate slow charging. I hope all our providers in the US take note!
I feel like this could seriously help with reliability.
Yup. I really wish that even 50% scaled down version is implement every 100 miles if interstate highways.
Gridserve in South uk also had similar facility
what a great idea with the slow charging system, i hope the uk providers would follow with these charging systems
idiot will trade his freedom for safety
11:34 the little sticker says the charging stations are financially supported by the German Department of Transportation (Bundesministerium für Verkehr und digitale Infrastruktur (BMVI), it has since been renamed to Bundesministerium für Digitales und Verkehr(BMDV))
17:45 Another great charging location is Seed&Greet in Hilden (North Rhine-Westphalia). The concept is a little different from Sortimo but it's definitely one of the best places to charge your car, because of the different charge point operators with different charging speeds available there and the nice bakery that the founder of the charging hub runs.
Every saturday at around 10 am EV enthusiasts from all over Germany meet there to talk about their experiences with EVs and sometimes rare prototypes show up.
i can only second this. And do not forget to talk to Roland Schüren, he's pretty likely to tell his story if you ask him.
Gridserve is another company with similar charging stations starting to operate all over Britain. 36 fast chargers, 22- 350 KWh chargers, a number of AC chargers and 8 Tesla super chargers, plus shops, a café, meeting rooms, toilets etc.
This is like the Bucees of EV Charging. We need something like this in the US. Maybe not as many stations depending on location and demand of course. I can see something like this in a major market near 2 major interstates.
I saw a very basic version of this on Florida turnpike restarea. There was. A nice food court and 8 Supercharger stalls.
@robert Henry Bucees here in Central Texas got a supercharger set up, hoping the ccs/chademo is not far behind
The casinos on the reserves should build out stuff like this. Especially if there is tourism stuff in the area. They can be the spot for EVs to stop before going home or to stop and stay the night.
We need to put this near rest areas and truck stops on our interstate. These look impressive combined with longer range batteries EVs would be on par with ice cars .
Hey Kyle, nice to inspire you of this charging hub! The DC chargers are load share but not as common known as they are all DC on one input they basically "share" about 3MW input DC to all this points with focus on first come first serve. If you are the 40th and wanna DC charge you could probably only get less than the first who came. But as you just pay several fees in kind of categories you can only choose a lower charging speed at this time not effecting all the others, who are already charging.
In real world I guess even no one ever has this situation 😅
California needs a bunch of these...especially in apartment/condo heavier areas like LA, SF, and San Diego.
i guarantee its going to happen eventually when more EVs are on the road, this is also another great business opportunity to be creative and have charging stops. If you people are going to get coffee/donuts/snacks/food/some sort of entertainment anyway. Hubs are nice to have in cities.
I'll bet PG&E is working on it right now :)
Scanning the QR code at 14:47 gave a summary of 9.9 kWh for charger S303. Seems like a nice alternative to having the app installed especially in a situation where you do not have an app for the car either. Would allow remote monitoring of the SOC.
This is so cool, the world needs to learn from Germany!
Yep we would be if the usa and uk never got in the way
Your video is not only very informing it is also very important and for a few reasons. 1: It shows the rest of the world how it can be done. 2: It shows visitors how to use a 'foreign' station and 3: it shows that there is no need for panic, cussing and all those expressions that might come forth because you think all you can get is a loust bfew amps of charging. This is a very smart charging station and I hope other companies follow the pattern. Thanks.
it's not just insane, it's magnificent
That charging station is AMAZING! I really hope America will take the responsible route and not allow greed or apathy turn charging into a trashy system. When Bjorn went home to Thailand (?) it was a collective nightmare of charging. Some were single chargers located in desolate areas, dozens if not hundreds of different companies charging different rates and ALL requiring you download an app to your phone, give them personal information and credit card info. It reminded me of a few years back when 711’s, gas stations, grocery stores and strip malls had shady ATM machines everywhere. I hope America gets this right.
Dude I don’t have an EV yet but this is what’s needed in America’s rest areas across the nation. They even have a small kids playground by AC charger.
yep i drive a 2019 nissan leaf
@@SamuraiTacos1 Had a 2022 Nissan Leaf and did a drive from California and Arizona. We didn't know that particular car couldn't handle going across state and that the chargers for the charging stations cost a lot just for one full hour charge.
That's why you get a Tesla because they have more chargers than any Ev currently in the USA.
@@thatdude123 yep
@@thatdude123 yeah its slow i have a 40 Kwh Battery it only gets 50 chadmo fast charging which i don't get why nissan doesnt switch to ccs in the us models of the car i mainly just use it to drive to work and maybe a 30 minute drive
That is really cool. It looks so Euro. I grew up in Germany (Berlin) way back in the day. So it brings back memories of when I was a little kid.
Please do more of these vids on charging stations! This one is just over the top. Do you think we'll see something like this on our highways in the states? I'd love to see what is also done in the denser cities where there is no open space for accessible setups like this.
I love it. No app/registration needed same prices for everybody. This is how it should be.
Super cool. Would love to see these along the interstates and in cities along major arteries.
I like the ability to pick a speed based on cost and how much time i'm willing to wait. its great for things like this example where you know your going to be gone for 30 minutes vs an hour vs going to beach all afternoon or whatever. Requires a huge amount of infrastructure though.
Coming from Denmark driving down to Italy, I can tell you that even within Europe, there are apps from Germany, Italy og Spain, that refused to install because my app store are from the "wrong country",stations where the plug surfing app said it would work and it didn't. Well, Just just use the Tesla superchargers now, there are so many of them popped up since last year.
When you pointed out the "promotional stuff" it was actually the Tagesschau, the biggest german news show by Das Erste, the First German State TV program😂
Out of Spec: fun video! Kyle you mention the hassle of localized app stores, and that you are getting new devices. For what it’s worth: I country hop a lot, so here’s a tip: in iOS, you can easily sign-out of the App Store for a country, create an Apple account for the local country, and sign-in to that profile, download an app for that locale, then sign-back in to your US account. My primary Apple account is US, but I also have Canadian and UK Apple accounts to do just what you talk about here. In iOS, go to settings, tap your profile, then tap “media and purchases”, and sign out of your US account. It doesn’t sign you out of anything else (eg iCloud for auto backups), you can use two different Apple accounts on the device at once (one for iCloud, and a different one for App Store). Super handy. But, man, welcome to the Globalist club. Before someone taught me how to do this, I couldn’t order pizza when I went to Toronto!
Great video Kyle, thats some huge investment in money & massive grid connection. Good to see the forthought in action...
5:15 If I remember correctly they aren't load-shared. The whole unit runs on a central AC/DC transformer, which is the limiting factor. But the transformer is so huge that it will never be maxed out. So technically all the plugs are load-shared, but not really
It’s worth to mention, that all lamps are connected to the same DC grid.
This building doesn’t have AC there at all.
5:47 freeze frame and look at the signs you’re parked in handicap spots
@Chris Barnes don't be a Karen
Wow, good catch.
The entire charing system ergonomics is just fantastic. The compact simple charging post that are soft flexible is a great detail. But I think the game changer when it comes to charging was the Trickle Charge before paying activation. That would prevent a massive headache when it comes Borked charger and you trying to pay for it. This expensive setup would need to be scaled up in production to make it more viable elsewhere.
We need some versions of this in the US. At a few key choke points. And enough land/infrastructure to expand. Bottom of the grapevine in I-5 in California comes to mind!
I have pictures taken during the building of this facility. Amazing construction.
if you are going north, way north 😉 through Denmark, make sure to stop at the new large Clever charging station just outside Odense.
It quite good looking and has 28 charging spots.
What a great experience - that lobby terminal seems really well thought out!
You can also pay at the register in the shop.
I emailed you last year when you were in Europe and recommended that you visit this place.
That complex looks like it costs $15m - $30million dollars.
Some engineer probably really aimed for the oddly specific 420kW and went "ayyyy"
Payment by card should be mandatory for all charging stations to promote EV adoption!
They should all integrate and make from all those EV app chargers in one single one for easy use
Nope, Plug and charge for all will Boost ev adoption.
I just saw on ‘NextNews’ (NextMove channel) that NIO is building a battery swapping station in Zusmarshausen at this charging facility.
Looks amazing. Come to the U.K. and see the Gridserve charging hubs. Not as big, but they plan to roll out a lot of them.
Wow amazing didn't know we have a super charger station so closed :-) :-) greets from Augsburg, Germany
I’m loving that place. Especially the post-initiation variable charging rate. I think that’s terrific. The architecture and the way they built in the chargers makes it look like something from a science fiction movie or something. :) I also like the U5. I know you haven’t yet done your full video, but just from looking at it I have to wonder how it would work out for the states as a compact crossover?
You should definitely consider having a location in Germany, the videos would be lit
Dude, that's just amazing! You couldn't have a better location than this. :)
Fantastic. We are so far behind in public charging infrastructure here in Canada.
I can see this not replacing every gas station but more like tollway stations. If it has restaurants, coffee shop, and some shopping.
Glad you talked about the issue that many seem to overlook - international roaming.
we need these all over america and these need to take the place of malls in the US
We really need versions of this in the US.
What an amazing facility. I would love to see a network of such facilities across the US. No more range worries and great rest and recharge (forgive the pun) place.
Nice video. Thanks. But there is one big NO NO ... You parked/charged on the disabled parking spots at the beginning. Those are marked with the wheelchair sign and the arrwos show the start and end. This can get very expensive if the police checks it. The sticker on the station shows that the charging station has received funds from the EU to push the charging infrastructure. They are nearly on every charging station. The provider gets money to build the charging point but has to comply some rule slike public access etc.. Happy driving and thanks for your video.
I want charging stations like this literally everywhere! This is amazing.
Yep I’m all in for that kind of partnership for Out Of Spec channel. I’ll even be willing to donate each month toward that project. I think it’s a great way to promote EV and it’s growing technology. Exceptional video. I love it.
Actually the after hours area is (or was) not open 24/7. Got there on my way to the supercharger and was sitting in there with my iPad. I needed to get something quickly from my car and since no one else was there, I left my iPad inside to download some episodes of a series. Came back and the doors didn't open. So I starred at my tablet from the outside much like in a museum haha.
Luckily there was a person just closing doors from the shop on the right, who helped me getting inside again. Kinda funny story there, never forget. But also - the *greatest* Charging Park I've ever seen. Kinda nice to see this kind of innovation in Germany and not only from the US or South Korea!
That is definitely an impressive site. Not only the number of spots. But, the charging speeds, cost plans, flexibility, and other basics are all well thought out. I was thinking it was just hyperbole until you go through everything and the greatness is in the details. To adapt a phrase.
Brilliant form and magnificent place! And concerning your comment on starting an OOS charging network in the States, go for it! Lotta federal $$ to be had. And we certainly need more chargers in Alabama! Kyle, if there's money to be made you might even get some investors from the subscribers here.
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Cool that you have been here - I live nearby. Really as you said the craziest charging station. Especially in the night :-) Cheers!
It would be nice to see some of the US government infrastructure money be used to build a few stations like this as "show pieces" to get people excited, and place them in the highest-volume BEV areas in America (mainly LA and the Bay area in California, right now, I guess). Build two or three of these and get tons of publicity for them, and companies might sprout up to take off building lots of them, with construction supported by a combination of government and automaker funding. As you say, these stations have lots that most American charging stations do not: covered charging, lots of stations that work and are maintained, a really nice place to eat and pee and work that's not ugly like Walmarts, easy plug-and-charge capability (even if with credit card) without having to look at screens that are blinded by sunlight (and snow), and easy on/off the expressways. This concept is needed to get people into BEVs everywhere, even if many people never use them.
Looks fantastic, but there is one thing missing. Where are the people, where are the customers. Not one person inside or outside.
"As long as we can figure out a business model for this stuff." Hammer strikes nail on head.
Love the tree canopy design of the super chargers! Reminds me of the Johnson Wax building by Frank Lloyd Wright.
I was thinking that myself!
Stopped by twice last week! It is huge
Nice to see you are happy with the Sortimo Park in Zusmarshausen ;-) Nice video and impressions.
What do you think about charging infrastructure in Germany or Europe? Is it compareable with US? Have a good time here in good old germany. 👍
That place looks amazing. If Out of Spec could afford the office space I would recommend it. By the way what is the travel distance and time to Norway from there? I'm sure for work you will need to travel for press releases on new cars and trucks.
Looks like a bigger version of the gridserve hubs we get in the UK. Not having a card reader on the charger seems very backwards though.
If you use them often, you use your app. If you dont use them that often, you want to go inside anyway.
@@RuneVenes nobody wants 16 apps for every charging network, and unless I’m wrong I only spotted a single screen inside, what happens when that reader fails? Having readers on the chargers reduces the chance of getting stuck.
Nice overview :) Another nice project would be the "Seed and Greet Ladepark Hilden" close to Cologne.
Also there is EnBW Ladepark just south of Kamener Kreuz, lat-lon 51.5673 N, 7.6741 E.
Can't wait to start seeing some of these in the US.
Save the video, and send it to your Congressman (or woman). Kick up a stink, send the video everywhere.....
Awesome, I’m doing an Out of Spec road trip to just past there in a month from England in my P90D, will definitely stop there for a charge on the way.
The first time ive seen my car in a popular youtube video! ive got an aiways aswell and i think they're awesome!
Surely there is a business model for charging stations, food outlets, playground and maybe even accomodation depending on the area
That is so awesome. We need those here in the USA.
We already have a few station that are just as advanced if not a little more advanced than those here in the UK, you guy really should of come over when you were in Europe.
DCFC isn't any more efficient than AC. It's actually far less efficient at high currents. Your car is doing the same thing as those cabinets just at a much lower power level. Charging at 35kW is probably reasonably efficient with those big water cooled conductors. Depends on how the cabinets are being utilized though. Typically AC-DC converters run at peak efficiency around 80-90% loading, but that could also require cooling. Activating the cooling system could bring total efficiency back down to a part-loaded converter that won't need cooling.
I'd love a deep dive into how they operate those cabinets, including sequence of operations for various scenarios.
should have shown the function with the real life charging by scanning the QR code on the payment terminal
Great energy station!
Just a side note ... initially you were parked in the disabled parking spot! Oops. :)
I needed to watch this video again cause this place is just so cool!
Something like this is perfect for US Interstate system, but I wonder if our current infrastructure plan has that many DC fast chargers in mind in one place?
It seems the sort of thing where onsite energy storage would be key.
I have to say from someone who visits the US several times a year, the infrastructure in EV charging and EVs themselves are light years behind Europe. Guys...the black stuff is so last year!
Thank you Kyle for the amazing review.
Dude look at the signs where you parked at the 35 W you’re in a handicap spot!
He could have gotten a fine for that...
Not sure about US, but here in EU it's not only some soft recommendation, it's absolutely forbidden. It's like standing under "do not stop"/"no stopping" sign. (And it's very rude)
@@petrkubena it's also forbidden here
450€ fine in The Netherlands hahah
Ah, I see what you mean. So in Europe, are handicap spaces marked in blocks? As in in-between the two signs? In the States, our spaces marked individually. Could be he was looking at them like that. It's a $250 fine in Pennsylvania.
Que estrutura invejável! Não temos nada sequer parecido no Brasil
Nice design. Would fit bus, truck, trailer or whatever
so are we not going to talk about how much better Germany's vending machine offerings are compared to ours?
But… JAPAN! They even sell used panties.
Hows the electric car going to work out with predicted electrial shortages in Winter in Germany?? I look back around January 2023.
I feel like Target / Starbucks should open specialty charge zone places like this since Target is a very modernized trendy place to go to and so is Starbucks and what they could do is maybe have parts of it 24 hours as a cafe lounge and parts of it as a normal Target with normal hours!
Truly insane...state of the art!
Optimal utilization of space
It looks futuristic 😃
The charging cables on the poles/pins look rather short
Great concept and review...Was there only one payment terminal though?...I couldn't see any more...if not how many are there?.....could get a bit busy if there are a few customers queuing at it to pay.
You should check out the Gridserve forecourts at Norwich or Bainburry if you get chance to get over to UK.
I'll bet the whole Out of Spec crew a milkshake this won't be a thing in America.
Nice! Welcome to Europe! You should take the trip to the "Ev country nr1" ; Norway, while you're at it! 👍 👍 There are som legacy fuel companies here (Cirkle K, etc) that have stared building ev filling stations. Those are in the southern parts of Norway, closer to our capitol.😜
If someone wants to get in on charging stations that have some type of business tied to it, they better get moving. The resources to build these things are only going to get scarcer. Also, Walmart has obviously taken notice as many of their parking lots already have charging stations as a draw to their stores.
So cool! Hopefully the US will get there one day
The charging park in Hilden in Germany is also very beautiful and awesome. If you are nearby you should definitely take a look at that!
The out-of-market issues apply to gas too. The Aussies that come do Drag Week always have issues getting fuel cause they don't have a US zip code to enter into the pump.
Before Netflix went international, all the Aussies put 90210 for the zip code. It's the only one we know :)
Cable length on the low speed ones seems really short, even with the bendy pole.
It’s also a high speed, that’s why it is short and thick.
Come to the UK and see the amazing charging network we have on our motorways. Often you will find two 50kw chargers! I joke, as it is improving slowly.
Unless you have a Tesla and can use Superchargers, of course.
When it came out that Tesla superchargers were illegal in Germany due to no meter on the chargers, I immediately thought about this place. Have you heard if they have been shut down?
Pretty awesome! Tesla’s future mini ‘drive in’ charging location in Santa Monica may be the only place cooler, if/when they build it.
Damm, that is sweet, the US need to step up their game.
The site is connected to the AC power grid and could in theory receive up to 10 MW. The buildings on the other side of the street already have solar panels. There is roof space for up to 5.5 MW solar power. The whole site is based on DC interconnection and DC/DC converters per vehicle.
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