Making a Big Moyo
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A commentary of my game against Shibano Ryunosuke 2P in the Honinbo tournament.
Played on: 2020/11/26
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"I do have some general knowledge of the game, so I figured I could handle it" is a hilarious understatement :D
Yeah, that got me too!
“Just about everything has become new and different” Needed to hear that. Thank you Michael!
Call me a Michael Redmond fanboy, if you will, but I really love to see him active here on YT. I learned playing Go around 20 years ago. Back then, getting news from the world of Go was not as easy as today, but I heard about this Redmond guy, who was the highest ranked pro of western origin. Back then, he was a mythical figure to me. Fast forward to today, and I am really pleasently surprised to see Michael as a successful player and superb commentator. I love his analysis of games as a window into the thinking of a pro player, and I love the work he is doing with all the AlphaGo games. So, I just wanted to drop by to say my appreciation, will look forward to new content!
Lovely game, useful and fun as well. Good reading Michael, and congrats on the win!
I appreciate your style on the GO board AND your style as a teacher/spokesperson/representative of high level GO to the English speaking community.
THIS is a fantastic video on MOYO building for us amateurs.
"Xynosis" 2K player on KGS
Such superhuman reading abilities! It's inspiring and also intimidating to see. I'm happy to see that professional players can pull off something I have always liked trying to do, although usually with far less success... Well played and thanks so much for sharing your amazing skill!
Incredible match and instructive commentary. I really appreciate the effort that goes into making educational go content like this available.
Great work as always, Michael.
Some really nice sequences here that get me excited about Go, thanks :)
Perfect, clear explanation of quite an exciting game, giving the moyo lovers a boost: thank you!
I love the center moyo you made, and that was great advice on how to play when you have that huge area to convert! It's also great to see you remembering AlphaGo moves, and more importantly, how to follow up on them to make them work. Congratulation on the decisive win!
I loved the level of detail you went into in explaining both the moves and your thoughts/feelings during the game. This also looked like a lot of effort went into planning and editing, and it showed, thank you!
highly illuminating comrnentary... I've been playing 3-5 for years and this gives me a lot more confidence. I also learned a lot from walking through the variety of valid choices backed up by AI for black to pincer white on the left side, and above all when to tenuki to grab a big point. Glad you took the opportunity to experiment!
What a beautiful match!
Congrats on this win and best of luck for the next games in this tournament!
13:30 The difference between a 9P and a 2P:
Top right corner belongs to black, and black is unchallenged. In the bottom left, black pushed white to the side, opening up the middle and towards its own stones on the left. In the bottom left corner, black built a wall towards its ow stones, establishing an early moyo. Top left black pushed white to the side, squeezing it towards its own stone on the right. White only has some breathing space on the left.
So... complete domination.
Wonderful game, and congrats on your victory! This is the sort of game where I - playing either side - would start to count the territory (to determine if I needed to invade black's huge lower side as white, or could afford to add a move inside as black), lose my place and have to start the count over a few times, and finally say "eh, screw it" and finish the game without having any idea if I'm 30 points ahead, 30 behind, or if the game is still close. It's always embarassing to fight a final half-point ko and then learn that I won or lost by a huge margin. I'm about 3D, and I think I might be 5D if I were disciplined about counting. :-)
Oh, yes, I've seen it in the schedule. I wanted to see the game record so much!
Amazing review, the strategy of waiting for white to finish off the stones on the upper left corner to start invoking the Aji without loss is super helpful. I also especially enjoyed the push and cut asking move on the right side! I really wonder about the correct timing for white to come into the Moyo, since it did end up too big in the end. Thanks for the review!
Wonderfull game !
A good lesson on timing for me.
Good game, I almost feel bad for white
This game is like the reverse of the famous Shuwa vs Shusaku game they used as Sai's first game against Toya. Black made the moyo this time but still won :P
Thanks for the game review. So it looks like the experiment with Shusaku's kosumi worked out for you. Do you think you will be playing it more? Also congrats on the win and best of luck for the rest of the tournament.
Thanks for this really nice review and going through your thoughts.
It would be nice if you could briefly mention rules used and timings for those of us who do not know what is standard for this setting.
Yes, Japanese rules and 3 hours basic time. I’ll put it in the description.
Solid or Hanging connection making all the difference.
I found the giant mouse cursor strangely unsettling. :-D
Great win I would have loved to watch the game live
Nice game Michael! Not seen that many games from you so it's fun to see how you play. I didnt check with katago to see if it is a good move , but did you consider keima instead of kosumi on the bottom? Seems naturally easier to invade but it also seems faster to expand and handle. Love to hear your thoughts.
I think I had a fairly strong interest in the left side that made me like the kosumi better.
Nice moyo, I'm a bit surprised how white just let you make it into territory without contesting or reducing it. At 20:58 instead of approach top right plop a stone around m10 looks like a classic reduction idea in middle of the sector line. Maybe a little deep with q10 pushing? Did you expect a white reduction then or another time and would you have capped or defended the territory?
at 20:32 Michael pointed out that KataGo was pondering an invasion instead of an approach. But since in the game the approach was played we don’t look deeply at the invasion variations.
@ 22:03 why not b A9 instead of B6? it lives in sente no?
wow
I am confused, at 22:04 cant black just live and let white live splitting both groups
I know you have the simultaneous teaching games about to come up in the osaka go school, and i want to enter for the drawing for it, but i'm worried that with my work schedule, i may not be able to play if i am selected. Do you offer independent teaching games?
A teaching game is available, at least that's my understanding. www.patreon.com/MichaelRedmond
Can you please explain to us (or maybe it is just me who doesn’t know) why a 2p could play against a 9p without any handicap
Isn’t it excessive? 7 levels of difference
What am I missing?
Thank you!
That is because professional ranks do not work the same way as amateur ranks. Any difference in playing strength has been almost nonexistent for the last several decades. Until about 20 years ago, higher ranks were seeded into final stages of tournaments, and there were some other advantages to having a high rank. The modern system gives equal chances to all pro players and players are seeded according to their results in the previous year of any given tournament, disregarding rank. Successful younger players do not have time to rank up before they start winning titles, after which they are jumped up to 7~9 dan, depending on what they accomplished. The bottom line is that my rank simply indicates that I did something right sometime in the past.
@@MichaelRedmondsGoTV Thank you for the clear explanation and for taking the time to reply to me!
Now I understand, very interesting
But how did you do these alanyses during the game? All in your mind? Or are you allowed to use a computer to analyse moves (playing both sides yourself, so no AI)?
I try to indicate to what extent I had calculated in the game and what parts are from the after-game analysis. Use of computers or electronic device is not allowed during pro tournament games, so of course I'm not doing that.