Playing Talisman: What it’s actually like (5th Edition)
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Every single time you say "tal is man" my brain asks "is it?" and I chuckle quietly to myself.
A beautiful masterpiece. The video, not Talisman. Gods no, not Talisman.
I just want a new version of Space Crusade and loads of expansions
Ooofff yes!
The title was poached by Prodos Games.... a weird little company that intended to turn it into a game where skimpily clad women in sci-fi outfits combat nurgly demons... in space.. I guess. Thankfully they never went as far as actually trying to make the product.
But, yes, a spiritual successor would be a GREAT way to get new players into 40k... if GW could release one for less than your average house mortgage.
@@Senbei01 I'd buy that! I still want expansions for my Advanced Heroquest. I play it solo sometimes
That ending monologue was a work of art
The ending monologue was absolutely harrowing
Always watching out for videos from you. The analysis, delivery, and humor is all the good stuff I'm here for.
You are not a fat pig! You are a majestic, 23-toed dachshund that deserves to be called a good boy!!!
My problem with the new cover is that it sucks artistically. It completely lacks appropriate drama. Talisman is a trashy, campy, sword & sorcery-type adventure game and the box cover needs to reflect that. Historically there's been combat, big-arse dragons, a sense of danger and the promise of treasure. You know, EMOTIONS. No kid will see Talisman on a shelf and go OOOH CROWN COLLECTION SIMULATOR!
It's like making the cover of Carcassonne a sketch of a meeple.
The problem with Talisman is that it's always been a low effort, beer and pretzels type of game. But it often takes too long to actually play, and overstays its welcome
I have to give you props for acknowledging the channel's history with GenAI. I must admit I was sceptical seeing the thumbnail, knowing the history of GenAI images being used here, so I'm really pleased to see you not ignoring it (and that the dachshunds are gone for good). Having said that, I actually really liked your use of generative fill in restoring the old 40k art that could not be recovered any other way. I think this is the best use of the tech in the art field, personally.
Genius Charlie Brooker vibes towards the end 👍🏼
If it don't have a cardboard tower with a plastic dragon to go ontop, I ain't interested!
Talisman is wonderful for kids. Super easy to learn, hard to master, and you've always got a chance to win.
Not sure why you feel differently... some bad experiences with randomness can happen I suppose, but I've found it to be super balanced... you never know who is going to win, right up to and including the crown.
Relic is, imo, a masterpiece and the 2 expansions are the perfect amount of growth you could ever want. You just need to be a millionaire to play it...
The absolute flex of stacking up unopened Citadel paint hex pots.
Pffft. Not sure I trust these newcomer hexagonal pots...
I can vouch for Escape the Dark Castle. Actually got my nerd-phobic girlfriend to sit down for a game, I put some spooky Dungeon music on and she loved it. Good and really easy to learn.
I had to implement a few house rules to get the game fast enough that my kids would be willing to play. we would use fate points to adjust the distance of our moves, and movement rolls of 6 replenished fate points, you could always choose strength/craft to fight with, etc. The game ended up being an hour long, with an adult and two 10 year olds scrabbling for the crown of command at the same time.
Talisman is basically monopoly for "educated" gamers, that's it.
it's boring as hell, that's why nobody is talking about it.
You don't have children.
@@user-ko3tv7jl2r Never claimed I did????
The true joy of Talisman 2nd edition was forgetting about the crown and soending all your time in the City trying to become the Sherriff just so you could arrest people, or entering the dungeon with the 'plan' to roll a 6 on the final square and auto win, or seeing the player who's been in the leaf since turn one breeze their way to the optional ending card and reveal the Horrible Black Void.
Ah, good times.
It's not as bad as Chainsaw Warrior...but that's about as damning faint praise as is concievable
Add 30 seconds, then move on.
My 7 year old son loves it. And that is more reason to both play and love it than any other game I own.
(yes, it's objectively not a good game).
Always good to see a new Olden Demon upload, although I shall miss the copious amount of dog images to go with your humor
Solid alternative recommendations, and I agree that even a bad game can be fun with the right crowd in the right place.
+1 for Lords of Waterdeep. Played that with my extended family while visiting on vacation and it was a blast
Talisman is a cardboard fantasy Mario Party, it's designed specifically so autistic hardcore gamers with no sense of sportsmanship don't have an advantage against random casuals/spouses/kids, because that's the only way everybody can have fun in that group dynamic.
Dammit, that momentary flash of da boyz when you said freebooters was like getting punched in the face with a solid brick of nostalgia. Well done.
If only Talisman was as entertaining as your video about it.
Thank you for more amazing YT content. 🍻
Wait, we can get Natalie Dormer reading boardgame rulebooks? Um, asking for a friend...
I remember playing Talisman back in my youth in the summer holidays in a tent with 3 other people with torch. and we were using the corner addon bits. I don't think we ever made it out of the outer edge despite many hours of futility. It was quite good fun I remember. My friends mum's boyfriend would buy every boxed GW release but had no time himself to play or paint anything so let us help our selves to the larder packed from floor to ceiling with paint sets, games etc. About half of it was still in the wrapping. I remember opening his Advanced Heroquest paint set and making a terrible mess of the figures it came with aged around 12 and he couldn't have cared less. If I had £10k spare id pay that to watch a dog drive a tank. If it can fire the main at something - even a tree, id pay you £15k! Aged 42 I picked up an immaculate Advanced Heroquest and play it by myself. If I had £10k spare id pay that to watch a dog drive a tank. If it can fire the main at something - even a tree, id pay you £15k! 'Jazz cabbage'...i've never heard that one before. luv it.
Hmm, now I fancy a filet mingehnyon
I love your videos for their content and your sense of humour but I wasn’t a fan of the AI images. I much prefer this approach where I can see a human face. Thank you for your time and effort.
Ya know honestly the ai art was a huge sticking point for me as well
"if it gets played it's good enough" 100%.
My kids favourite influencer is the guy from Olden Demon
I'll miss the doggos, but I watch for the information and humor. Keep it going!
15:36 thats clearly an AI generated image inspired by the Pena Palace in Sintra
I've never played Talisman before. I'm unsure if this is a "never do heroin" video or a "meth makes life worth living" video.
Talisman was always a bad game, we all know it. It's a stupid random game, which is perfect for drinking beer as you roll some dice. The new edition is more of the same, and still just as bad. Get some beer.
WTAF? Where did you come from? Just bought the Batman version of Talisman to see what it's all about, then stumbled upon this glorious review.
You showed your gaming pedigree up front, slipped in some terrible jokes (that I enjoyed), dissed one of the most popular board games around, then smoothly transitioned into a beautifully paced exploration of what makes board games fun and the world that surrounds them. With some useful recommendations along the way and some really funny lines.
Exquisite!
I played Talisman exactly once in my life. Chose to play as the Warrior, whom I named Steve the S**t-Kicker. Unfortunately for me, Steve had a bit of a problem which meant that he spent the majority of the game getting smashed in the Tavern. So while the rest of the players were racing to a close fought victory, Steve was still slumped over a table in the Tavern barely able to stand let alone take on a dragon.
10/10 experience would definately play again.
It's a shame to hear the way this franchise has been treated. I bought it as a way to introduce people who do not play boardgames, and it was the perfect tool for it, but I did feel the same way as yourself deep down.
With the games I make (Darklight: Memento Mori, and next up Animarium), I have to give it all in order to justify the insane amount of time and sacrifices I have to do in order to complete these passion projects, and I cannot imagine working without these fundamental basis on something which is meant to bring out, fun and entertainment for a group of friends or a family.
I hope in the future I can get people such as yourself observe/play my games and see the dedication and passion I pour into them, which I find it to be the greatest reward. I just wish more people created projects out of passion and desire rather than greed.
jazz cabbage 🤣🤣🤣
Warhammer Quest > Talisman
Talisman 3rd is the best version. That one burns your eyes in a most delightful 90's way.
Im honestly not surprised you play more board games than miniature games. For the money (minis, paint, terrain, rules, etc.) and time (building building and painting minis, de /constructing the board, looking up and arguing rules, playing the actual gamr) you need to invest for one game of Warhammer you can play 10 classic board games.
agreed! the time it takes me to paint a unit - they've released a new version of the game and that unit isnt in it!! :D
sure, but painting and modelling can be fun, too, so it's not a a total waste of time (although i agree it can also be a massive ballache, pushing yourself to finish painting or even just assembling miniature before you get even the _chance_ to use them for their ostensibly-intended purpose)
It's not become difficult to collect/ play miniature games. It's become difficult to collect/play *GW* miniature games. Plenty of company's filling the void of affordable fun games like GW used to - onepagerules being my favourite
6 hours??? You play fast 😃. Our group play it once a year, often at Christmas (4th revised ed - all expansions) and the average length is around 14 hours, the longest has been 17 hours. After each game some say never again - but we all come back for more - we love it 🙄😍
I actually really like Talisman. It’s a game about "experience“ and not about best mechanics / sound decisions based on game theory.
Just like game of life or games like monopoly. Not amazing but a good snack
I can't believe Hasbro would.....no sorry, I can't find an ending to that sentence.
Man that outro was incredible! Bravo
Good review. I absolutely love board games. Access to them is far easier than minuture games although they aren't necessarily cheap. Love talisman but i guess i am wearing rose tinted nostalgia glasses! and great to see you reference so many great boardgames.
All the way through I was thinking "yeah but Heroquest is a much better gateway game", so I'm looking forward to your video on that one!
+1 manna for using the word 'subsuming'.
I enjoyed that.
I paused this video twice to go look up dungeon crawler games, before I eventually spiralled into my usual behaviour of staring longingly as eBay listings for Space Hulk. They'll do another print run soon, right? Right??
I bloody loved playing 3rd edition Talisman back in the 90s. Me and my mates had loads of fun, which is all that matters in the end. We were always waiting to see who would get ‘Cursed by Hag’ first 😂
Back in the 90's... there was a budget clearance bookstore in Winchester. They managed to get a whole stack of the Talisman: Dragons tower expansion in for £10... but.. caught fire and burned down before I could buy some copies.
I really just wanted those plastic dragons. Damned arsonists :P
"Talisman is better than monopoly" that's not a high bar to pass!
The change in the orientation of the board art is SO jarring. It gives the impression that you’re descending to the Crown rather than climbing.
I want zombie squirrel returns to be real!
It is real, but sadly now out of stock, possibly due to this video but we may never know...
@@OldenDemon I live in hope!
Both Talisman and HeroQuest have the great advantages over many more thinky dungeon crawlers that they can be played and enjoyed by a 6 year old, chaos be dammed. However if playing with kids (or adults) do use one of the alternative game endings that cuts off the last hour plus of knowing who has won and watching them slowly grind that win out of everybody else's life.
excelling ending
I notice the absence of Warhammer Quest in this video, I assume that might get subsumed by HeroQuest
I see your Talisman 3rd Edition and raise you Talisman 2nd Edition. With ALL the expansions. I had to homebrew "save game" rules, because my family gets terribly bored with 10-hour Talisman sessions.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!
Those are trauma shears not surgical scissors, I can't believe you would make such a simple mistake! I'm flabbergasted
You’re right, I will seek to better myself in the next video
Yeah...but nostalgia wins. Hilarious video. Subscribed.
Olden Demon's put out a video? looks like I'll be listening to every single second of it.
Oh? It's nostalgia about a game I remember paying and don't know why I enjoyed it because it was definitely rubbish?
Still listening to every single second of it.
Great video, keep it up :)
I owned and played many games before being gifted a copy of Talisman 4 and the Dragon Lords expansion through a works reward scheme.
I have yet to play it, mostly because the small one is too small, and the group with whom I used to boardgame have all developed lives and families making it difficult to arrange
i regret throwing my old 'Man-o-War' models at least once a week. what i wouldn't give to have manowar back.
A hand with six fingers (five fingers rather than four, plus a thumb) is slam dunk evidence that an AI was involved, IMO.
I hate when content creators intentionally mispronounce words, knowing it’ll provoke a bunch of complaints in the comment section, to boost the channel’s engagement metrics…
Well played.
Your example with Root, is something ai have eone several times... and even their even more complex game, Vast; Crystal Caverns.
It is not easy.
I just want to play grape escape
Ok so he's actually a legitimate board gamer as well as hilarious? Lets go! Impressive list of quality game references 🤗
Where are the dachshunds? I demand the dachshunds
As he said, unless you give him 10 grand on his Kofi so he can buy a real one, they ain't coming back as he's moved away from AI generated art.
I found the thing most enjoyable about boardgames is frequently less the boardgame and more the social aspect. Its a big reason I never really got into solo boardgames. A lot of the mechanics and issues inside the games take a backseat to that.
Avalon hill died decades ago, this monstrosity is hasborg
I got 'tricked' into playing Talisman (fourth edition) at a games night once. About three hours later, we had to abandon the game as the pub was closing. We still probably had at least an hour left. It is probably the only game I regret playing.
Talisman is one of a handful of games I’ve quit. I understand the appeal, but I didn’t want to sit through a seven-player version
I pretty much had only played the 2nd edition of Talisman.
Also, I love what seems to be your take on what D&D has turned into.
At least its better than Dungeon!
Don't play Dungeon! it will drive you insane if you think about its mechanics too hard. That's how I lost a weekend in a smoke-smelling shit hole of a hotel in Birmingham (Alabama) in 2018. I returned the game, but I will never get those hours of my life back.
I was truly considering getting this, but the text size issue would be a big problem for some of my friends and family
I was planning on getting 5th edition as I don’t own any version of the game. In the end I opted for 3rd edition from eBay as really that was the version I really wanted so I decided to go for that version. The 5th edition art style is ok, but it’s a bit too modern for my tastes and a bit bland in my opinion.
I completely get the issues with Talisman - and there are better games in the genre like Paupers Ladder. But it is a completely different genre of game to the spreadsheety euro side of the hobby. In fact I would suggest that maybe it is a different hobby all together. Talisman's durability comes from the narrative and story it tells that brings the players along with. Nobody cares who wins a game like this. People enjoy the randomness. Many games of Talisman will be played with house rules - because making up house rules for games is part of being a gamer. That doesn't mean they couldn't have done a better job of fixing it and adding more player choice. I do wonder if the Co-Op rule set coming soon will help.
Oh all the games I hate playing, Talisman is the one I’ve bought the most times.
Very "Letterkenny"- Allegedly! 😊
not sure where the pillow thing came from there
Oi oi oi I will not hear a bad word said against OSE. It is incredibly well packaged, written for actual use and has some of the best layout in any rpg book, which is saying something because the source has to be among the worst to actually use thanks to awful text clarity and layout.
I don't mind skip a turn in this type of game, its the game saying "this is the time to go get a drink.
my brother in god why are you drinking bourbon from a martini glass
It’s Chambord, the most fancy of spirits
the dark humor
Lords of Waterdeep, good choice, good choice!
You had me at " Talisman is not a good game ".
This feels like when i see guys going nostaliga high for WoW classic! because nothing said nostaliga like spending 3 hours to find the group and go through a dungeon of the time. All while your mum was making dinner and doing your bed sheets. All while talking over Team speak while you wait for your 12 min flight trip to end....... What adult has time for those things these days?
I agree that Talisman is a pretty bad game. With that said, I will in a couple of days play a version where we are 8+ people on two boards that we teleport between so everyone plays with everyone else. It can be great fun with the right people.
I am shocked!
So. How much Charlie Brooker have you been watching lately?
That AI art is a massive fail. I wonder how long we have until GW decides to save on expenses to better please BlackRock and goes the AI route? Played a few games of FFG's 4th edition and enjoyed it for what it is. Would work better with more than just two players though and a few minor rules tweaks. Got the full series of expansions stacked up in the front room.
Destroy the False Wargamer
Johan Pilestedt is a gold supporter of your channel? Like the Johan Pilestedt of Helldivers 2!?
There have been several points in my tabletop gaming career where I thought about picking up Talisman (or relic). I'm glad I didn't. It looks like Chutes and Ladders but swords.
Edit - lol I just got that point of the video
I laugh at all the snobs who say they hate Talisman. What sophisticates. Everyone's really impressed. Correct opinion, bro! 😂
Bloody excellent!