Severance - Analyzing Ms. Cobel + Theories
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- We turn our attention to the character "Ms. Cobel" for a brief analysis and some theories about her origins and agenda in the Severance tv series.
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My theory on Miss Cobel is that she was a severed employee who got promoted through her sheer Ruthlessness and Corporate devotion, but you can't be in her position and split in two, so they deactivate the severance. The one who got promoted was her innie, not the outie, so the innie stayed and the outie was essentially killed and taken over by the innie. A metaphor for how devotion to your work can take you over.
That's why she's obessed with the idea that severance can be reversed, and why she acts like a totally diferent person outside, shes essentially trying to recreate her outie, but keep her innie self too.
Her name is harmony, 2 or more seperate entities working togather in a positive manner.
Yes, I think you are right. She appears to be completely loyal to the Eagan family, for whatever reason, and that is probably why she was hired on. Great catch on the name choice. I thought the name must be of some significance, but I had not thought of it that way.
@@nautilusfiles Why did they have the doula girl that Mark dated seem bummed that he tore his wife's picture up? She's too serious and a goody 2 shoes.
@@suzygirl1843 I think her character was meant to show how dysfunctional he's become after his loss. That said, I couldn't understand why she liked him so much, he doesn't seem like her type lol
Perfect!! I've been trying to figure out why she didn't know what emotion she was supposed to feel at Petey's funeral.
Good theory.
"eight hours to bless a sleeping child" Work day is 8 hrs, outies are "sleeping" during that time, and innies are effectively children. There's gotta be something going on there.
Whoa that’s a good catch! It’s definitely meant to sound like sleep is to the benefit of the workers but that is absolutely the true meaning of
Yes there îs something indeed. That is to Say, If innes don't sleep well or rest, they can "sneak out" memories If the outies during working hours. This is why sleep îs frowned upon working - we see that in Irving
I like it
I think it’s also interesting how she is usually quite rude to innie Mark but overly friendly to outie Mark
She is emotionally invested in Mark, outside of Lumon, and I need to know why! Inside he's just a puppet to toy with.
I think she’s just trying to mess with his head so that he needs to see the wellness counselor more. The more time they spend together, the more chance they have to remember each other.
OH SNAP. The theory she’s an illegitimate Eagan child. Gave. Me. Chills. This was great. Nice work.
She's so mysterious and we get so little detail that the possibilities are vast right now. Glad you enjoyed it!
crossed my mind too
I think it's more likely that she tells Mark contradictory things about her mother's religion to see if the chip works, like how she stole Gemma's candle and had Mark craft the tree
Ohm, you know i forgot but thats actually what i thought was happening as i watched it. I see this as very possible but i also see a couple other options equally.
i find it interesting that she's more childlike at home, and more adult at work, when for the rest of the characters its the opposite. theyre of course mature at work but their understanding of the world is like that of a child's.
That's what got me to thinking she might be reverting to her childhood in some way when she's at home. The hints say she might have spent time in a boarding school, perhaps run by Lumon? If she was severed at a young age, it could explain this weirdness. You're right in noting that the others are the exact opposite. So. Many. Questions!
I think this is bc her innie took over both lives at one point! So she's just occupying/learning her outie life as the innie and has less experience with it.
I think that Cobel was once a severed employee (her name is on the switchboard where Dylan switches the others to Outies). That's why she has too distinct personalities. Maybe her innie excelled and was promoted because her innie is so ruthless, and they allowed her to permanently switch off her outie persona (or she did it herself). Either this or a step further...she's managed to reintegrate (which is why she is so adamant it's possible when Lumin say it's not) and has another hidden agenda against Lumin ( her mother died due to faulty Lumin equipment; the breathing tube with her mother's name on was manufactured by Lumin and what a weird thing to keep otherwise if it's not relevant). I honestly love this character, she seems to have a lot of layers and I think her character arc is going to be so fun to watch. Great vid!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I think her personality outside of Lumen is just her alias because she’s on a mission to get her mom back- from the testing floor, and remember her. If she can get Mark to remember Gema- either while an innie or an outie, she’s going to find a way to use that. She has to stay close to the Eagans so she works as strictly as she can at work as to not give away what she’s doing. Even the creepy anthem is a clue to Mark that she actually approves of what he is doing, but she can’t be open about it.
No-one mentions the fact that Graner and Cobel seem to flirt a little. At the end of episode 5 she calls him daddy when he says upstairs wouldn't look kindly on her letting MDR snoop around. And in episode 6 when Graner is at the door of her house (as Selvig), they're revealed to be on first name terms. Graner also comments on her outfit twice (she's dressed in for being Devon's nanny), both times with an air of suggestiveness.
Great point! I noticed the implied "heat" around their interactions and I originally intended to talk about it my outline, but as usual, I end up cutting out a lot. She gives the impression that she likes the attention. Uncomfortable funny to watch.
You know, I have never seen someone call out the fact they seen her name as severed on the list! Great observation!!!!
It does say "Harmony S.", so some people think it must be a different person. I'm on the side that says the "S" is for Selveig, which was probably her married name. Also, I think it would be weird to have two people named Harmony in the show, being that it's not a super common name. Unless, of course, the writers just want to mess with us 😅
@@nautilusfiles I think your theory is correct!! So interesting!! I seen someone else have a theory that I found so compelling that she is actually her Innie. Somehow her innie managed to takeover her outtie. Which would describe why she’s always thinking about work in and out of the office. It would also describe why she was so distraught after they fired her…bc that is all she knows.
Yeah, I've seen that one somewhere, too! It makes perfect sense if those chips work the way we think they might. She says and does things that you would expect from someone of a bygone era.
Patricia Arquette is fantastic!
I 100% agree!
In the opening credits we see a version with mark in a red jumpsuit that’s never in the show.
My theory is that, there is a deeper severed personality that works in the testing chamber.
That might be why irvan paints that hallway because it’s the deep personality trying to get help
You know i was thinking something similar, and at first i was thinking you couldn't account for the time they'd have to spend to have a whole 3rd life, but then i thought about it and we only see a few hours of their time in there, and it doesn't seem all that compressed, they could easily be spending a few hours there and the rest of the 8 hours elsewhere. The other option that seemed interesting is that they are somehow duplicating their thoughts inside a whole physically separate person, perhaps a clone, or perhaps a robot. Perhaps the version of themselves they create doesn't NEED a physical body, because theres a whole simulated world, or they are kept in separate simulated worlds and just used for actual data processing. I had thought that the name Severance is very specific, it brings to mind not only seperation, but being fired from a job. They start their jobs by being severed, but perhaps the other severance in the series is a literal severance, they are fired, or more likely their contract ends because they are no longer needed to duplicate themselves, all their thoughts have been gathered through their work. If all thats true then its possible mrs.cobel could even actually have 2 moms, 1 in a simulation or hidden world, and 1 in here.
Speaking of Milchick, some people have theorized that Milchick could be Dylan's partner on the outside, or a neighbor, or at a minimum someone his "outie" knows well. They think this because Dylan's child listened to him without going to his dad first; and because when Dylan reverted to his outie he looked at Milchick and said "We done here?" Not who the heck are you? or something similar. I think that is a crazy good (and brilliant pick-up) theory. We'll have to see if those people are right.
That's interesting! It does seem like his outtie is pretty familiar with him. In the Lexington Letter there's a Milchick, but it I don't think it's the same person. I can't image the writers using the same surname without it being a relation to our Milchick. He's such a strange character. He acts as an enforcer but at the same time he seems to have more compassion than Cobel does. I hope we get more info on his background in S2.
@@nautilusfiles No. It's not the same person. Seth is in Severance. Jim is the Editor of the Topeka Star. That's why I said "Brother?" Maybe. We'll see. If we "don't" see and this Lexington Letter ends up having zero to do with the second season, I would consider that a huge missed opportunity by them.
@@TrishD33LGK I was just thinking about and I remembered that Helly's outtie new who Milchick was, or at least she met him. He was there (for moral support lol) when she got her chip implanted. So, Milchick might be someone they all met before they were severed. Dylan probably knows him as "that guy from my job".
Agreed. They'd have to be crazy not to weave this into the story in some way. We need answers!
@@nautilusfiles Milchick knows all of them as outies and innies because he takes them for their procedure but this isn't enough to prove to us definitively that he isn't one of the ones "who never leaves" because he would not have to leave the building to escort them for the procedure. It's Dylan's reaction to his presence outside of Lumon that makes it seem like Milchick is not severed and has a presence outside similar to Cobel. So Cobel lives next to Mark and watches him. Does Milchick live next to Dylan and watch him? And, if so, who lives next to and is charged with watching Irv? Helly is already watched. Strange things are afoot, lol!
@@TrishD33LGK Yeah, it would not surprise me if MDR is under constant outtie surveillance. They (Cobel and Friends) seem to be very concerned with the movements of each member of the team. I still think they are all special in some way or another, and that's why they are grouped together as a department. These kinds of questions are the reason I can't get good sleep!
Super interesting analysis...and brain popping over the idea that Cobel is the child of her mother and Egan...so explains her rage at being fired and then turning right around to support the Egan cause. Great stuff...thanks!
Sorry for the late response. I missed this one, somehow. Glad you enjoyed it!
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When she was so impacted emotionally by jer firing, and even encouraged Mark to "quit his job" and "get far away" at the book reading party; in light of that, I was surprised that she went back to loyalty and sabotaged what the team had going. I was kinda hoping she'd help them or say nothing. But it's interesting that she is so upset, yet on some level believes in the importance of what Lumon is doing, or the danger of these employees undoing it.
Just binged this series, and found it just ridiculously spellbinding, so I’m here trying to learn all the theories out there. Great job. 😂😊
My theory is that Eagan himself is severed and being used as a figurehead pawn. He was probably implanted around Helly's age and maybe turned off like Ms Casey when the board found out he had a second family. This could be why Cobel has disdain for innies and her motivation for pursuing Petey's reversal and personally experimenting with Mark and Ms Casey. Maybe previous generations of severed, like Eagan, showed signs of recall and why she's so driven to meet "the board" it almost feels like she's hoping he'll recognize her.
That's an interesting theory. So, he's somewhat of an outsider because of his past transgression. Cobel certainly appears to be determined to prove herself to him, much like an estranged child might.
@@nautilusfiles an outsider to his outie so to speak. I think if Helena messed up right now and Helly was given the option she would choose Not to switch off and would basically take over Helena's life. It wouldn't be hard to convince a newborn innie that they're not severed and if Eagan was severed longer than he was an original nobody would be able to tell.
@@hugh_jasso Eagen is the last name, so you mean Jame Eagen? The founder was Keir Eagen and Jame Eagen calls him "the grandfather" when he's talking to Helly in the scene in the finale.
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I think that subconsciously she wants to reintegrate, which is why she's so invested with the concept of reintegration, wants to take it to the board, and bring it to them with full evidence to fully convince them, and even stand up to the board to convince them of it. She even views Ms. Casey developing feelings for innie Mark as a good thing - as supporting evidence that integration is possible. Consciously, when something big happens, she follows Lumon rules - all her strong reactions are Lumon-focused, even when she supports Mark quitting Lumon - she instantly turns to support Lumon when she learns that he's an innie. It's never explained why she has interest in reintegration, and she never questions her own interest in it, even with the board not acknowleding it at the beginning - so why she does that, I think, is from a subconscious place.
Do notice that her name in the control panel says Harmony *S* - not Harmony C - so her last name should start with S - and I think it's Selvig - otherwise why even mention her surname. I think it's an Easter egg. I think she was born a Selvig, and given the name Cobel by Lumon. Because she's not responsible for security she wouldn't have known that she's being monitored, too - and at some point she even questioned if there's someone on the other side of the conversation when talking to the board, so we know for sure there's information that's hidden from her - by Lumon/the board itself, so I wouldn't be surprised about this information being hidden from her as well.
She might even be aware of a Harmony S person being written in the control panel, but not be aware that it's her. Outie and innie have meanings only in the context of being in and outside of work at Lumon, and since we know she keeps her memories outside of Lumon (or at least some of the time), we need to rephrase that context and therefore terminology, too.
I think her mother died at some point, and she given her mother's birth bracelet-information thing as a gift, or maybe she found it in that Eagen girls school - do note that she kept it in her shrine for Kier Eagen - but it's not anything of his or related to his doctrine. So I think it's safe ot assume that it's something of significant value to her - just like Kier Eagen is. IIRC she had child-like crafts with Eagen's 7 ideals on her walls in her house - so it could be that she made them back in that school. I think she was severed as a child, grown up in that school after her mother died, was one of the first people to have had this process of memory removal - maybe through hypnosis and later on with a chip (due to technological incapabilities at first), and ever since her subconscious wanted to reintegrate, to remember her mother.
I've been wondering, when does Harmony have time to be at her shop? Does she really have one? She told Mark to come down to the shop sometime. What if he really did want to?
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This actually a really good analysis video.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Hahah why the actually bro
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Brilliant video and analysis!!!
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Love the theory dives.
The subdivision where she and Mark live: does it have any other residents? I think we've seen another car, but it seems seriously underpopulated. If Lumon didn't want Cobel in outie Mark's business, she wouldn't be living *right* next door. That's why I get the vibe that she's more of a minder.
And they made a point that she is not encouraged to spend time with Mark's family.
So, given that it's a-okay to be around Mark's outie but not his family, the Rickon is an Eagan theory looks pretty good. OR she's meant to be keeping an eye on outie Mark.
Yeah, if were out bounds Lumon would be aware of it and stopped it. They must be OK with, at the very least. It makes me wonder if they have Lumon people planted in all the outties lives in some fashion.
@@nautilusfiles I have commented this somewhere else, but don't you think that Cobel feels guilt towards Mark and the amount of times she apologises to him is odd?
I just hsve s feeling she has something to do with the death of Gemma.
I think when realising that she feels guilty and responsible for whatever she did to Mark, she thres the mug at him and says, the thing she did, she knew he could handle, justifying her behaviour, it is odd for her to go out of her way to assert her apology like that.
Also the thing where she helps his sister and is generally invested in his well-being, like letting him see Gemma before she is fireed. Maybe U'm projecting my interpretation onto her, but I think I'm onto something.
Harmony - a combination of things to make a cohesive final product. I wonder if Harmony is a combined conscience of a daughter and mother, a test for the "Revolving" old man Egan spoke of in the finale, maybe all the Egans are combined at death, some immortality thing.
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We’ll done. 💉 🧠 Can’t wait for season two!
Awesome, thank you :)
Very interesting, thanks for sharing :)
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At #5 of #18 in the severence playlist. Subbed! Would love to see some long form content
Awesome, thank you!
Mrs Cobel ends up being Marks mother! Now that would be an amaaaaazing story line.. just saying… I mean she is highly invested in him and his sister.. anyhoo love a great plot twist.. I’m sooo loving this show, the best I’ve watched in a longtime.. ✌️👏❤️🙏
Given the way she treats Mark, it is possible. It would also be wild! She seems obsessed with Mark to a degree that is outside of her norm. We know she wants to figure out if his innie can remember life outside Lumon, but that is just "work". So, why does she seem to be genuinely concerned about his well-being at the same time?
@@nautilusfiles exactly 🤓❤️
I thought about that but I figured unless he is adopted he and his sister would know her.
great video
I just watched all of your videos.
She is a very odd but detailed character.
Great video
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I think severance can somehow be used to save dying people, but only as an innie. Gemma was dying but they severed her, somehow keeping her brain alive. Cobel’s mother maybe had the same thing happen and is alive, but only as an innie with no memory of her. Cobel is so curious about Mark and Gemma because she secretly hopes to one day reintegrate her mom. She thinks if mark can remember Gemma it must mean deep down her mom still remembers her too
Breathing tubes are mentioned in the Lexington letter.
I read the Lexington Letter and it is WILD. I think the tubes are used to keep people alive. Makes me think that Lumon is farming people who are "dead" in the outside world and keeping them as Innies only. I think you are right, that's probably what Gemma's deal is because she's permanent.
I totally see the possibility that Lumon took Peggy in the same manner as Gemma, too.
Oh, and that employee handbook/orientation has to get smuggled out of the building somehow! "Answers are in the booklet, if you look"? That's the key to everything.
@@nautilusfiles And Jim Milchick has to be related to Seth. Brother? So I don't think the release of this teaser was simply to amuse us. I think there will definitely be some reference to the Lexington Letter events and characters in Season 2. And, I completely missed the "Answers are in the booklet, if you look" that you pointed out. I have to go back and look at that. I just assumed the whole reader thing was BS from the start. Others have theorized that they ramped up the reader security "because" of Peggy. But remember, Peggy is in the past and Milchick just asked Dylan in the present if he smuggled the card out. This makes me think the readers are nonsense if even Milchick knows or thinks that writings and images can be taken in and out or on and off the Severed Floor.
My favourite character in the series.
Theory: Cobel is innie only. Although she is technically “deactivated,” it seems as if only the “innie” version of her exists. Perhaps this happened at a young age which is why she wears the “girly” pajamas and acts sweetly outside of work. She went to the school so is brainwashed as well. Somehow this is the only version of herself she knows. Also, perhaps her mother was severed as well. Although she died, Cobel knows that the innie remains somewhere within Lumen. Maybe she conducts the experiments between Mark and Ms Casey (among others) make them remember - she wants her mother to remember her, perhaps? Loose theory lol.
This totally works! I do think she was severed when she was young. She might have been one of the first crop of severed, part of the initial experiments? Maybe they used it to make her forget her trauma related to her mother (and maybe she wants to remember). The idea that she is in permanent innie mode makes a lot of things about her behavior make sense.
Someone else on here has a similar theory and I think it’s freaking genius.
@@mothermakeup7481 🙌🙌😺 can’t wait to revisit this before season 2
@@oliviabb73849 yes! I’m rewatching to see if I notice anything I may have missed the first time. Even with my favorite shows, I rarely have that desire. I’m excited to rewatch while we anxiously await season 2!!
At the end of this video it shows her playing with a finger trap which is one of the perks. So that further supports that she’s an innie
Also her coldness to innies seems at times like she’s continuing whatever they’re trying to do to them in the break room, break/discipline them. I’ve wondered if they’re trying to condition the innies to control the subconscious of the outties, like it’s their inner self, inner child, like the opposite of Irving trying to teach his innie. But that would only be half true since they could flip the switch from innie and outtie and there are many creative purposes Lumon could make up for switching severed peoples’ consciousness
Nice use of the Bubbles sideye clip😀 Top notch analysis!
Maybe reintegration was always intended and that's why the person who performed Petey's was also the one who did his severance? She used to work for Lumon, and she was the one who reintegrated Harmony? Then Harmony turfed her, to prevent future reintegrations? Or maybe it was the board that got rid of her, since they continue to insist that reintegration isn't possible.
Haha, that Bubbles gif was my literal reaction to Cobel's little ditty. Glad you liked it. Interesting theory. I think Cobel probably does know about Petey's reversal and maybe she wants to use him to get root her out, but she also doesn't want anyone else to know about it. A rather big question that needs some answers soon.
I think that Ms. Cobel was special enough to be in her higher position because she suffered with the tragedy of her mother. When you're grieving or extremely depressed you're essentially severed from the world anyway. Lumon is the only thing that rewards you for that. (I would imagine that Milchick also has some extreme tragedy in his past and that's also why he's so dedicated. Revealing his backstory and walking in his shoes for an episode is just lay up of an emotional tear jerking episode)
I think that makes Mark particularly appealing to Lumon as well.
And I would go so far as to say that Lumon will try to coax him back by offering the possibility to re active his wife's memories.
great videos bud, keep up the great work!
I'm sure it has been noted before but Cobel is phonetically very close to COBOL, one of the earlier programming languages. It is still in use, mainly for banking systems and probably other ancient corporate codebases. maybe a nod towards her being programmed by the cult.
I would love it if Dylan broke the switch so they stay as their innies indefinitely because we only see Milcheck get into the office we don’t see the conclusion.. anyhoo just a theory… I have way too much time on my hands but so love this show as it really makes you think 🤔
I know I'm late, but one thing I noticed is her name. I think Harmony is her name because of the phrase "living together in harmony" , as in two or more severed states are inside Harmony.
So interesting! I’ve heard so many good theories but never thought of the Eagan connection. I also wonder if Cobel is the only one with a different last name in the outside world (other than Helly for obvious reasons). I do believe she is investigating the permanence of severance and reintegration but then it would make more sense to keep the same name to jog Mark’s memory.
The last name thing is a mystery. Part of me thinks it's related to her being married when she joined Lumon and perhaps changed her name back after she became a widow. Still, the company would just change it. If she is indeed severed, that could explain it too.
i do want to point out that while ms. casey was initially supposed to be fired in episode 8, it seems like she changes her mind about her firing and sends her to the testing floor instead so i don't think she's necessarily getting killed off? maybe i'm interpreting that wrong. great work on the theory and character analysis videos!
I think i figured it out about Cobel and her attachment to Mark and the Egans. Her mom supposedly died, just like miss Casey. But what if she isn't dead and is an experiment just like Miss Casey? And miss Cobel looks into Mark's case closer tu see if there is hope for her own mother in this experiment. I think this is the reason why she felt hopeful they would actually recognize echoter. Because it seems that people who go thru accidnet and are near death, if they are introduced the chips, most of their memories are errased...miss Cobel is loyal to the Egans because she beleives it will bring back her mother somehow, and she needs to be back inside. That's why she wants to help bust them at the end, is her ticket back in the system.
She seems twisted as the joker in the dark knight as in you never know what his back story of how he got the scars because each time he tells the story, it’s different. Always leaving you guessing. Brilliant performance by PA
Agreed. I can't imagine anyone else in this role. Perfect casting!
Honestly I’ve never hate a character this much since Umbridge lol, kudos to the actress though
Always been a fan of Patricia Arquette. She's perfect in this role!
Cobel was grieving on the way home, arguably still in denial and clearly experiencing anger. She finally accepted she would never solve her personal mystery related to her dead mother by using Mark as a Guinea pig when Mark confessed he was thinking of leaving Lumon. He was her last hope. In that moment she gave up and reverted to a human who can relate to having a family, and essentially told Mark to run. The moment Mark reverted to being an asset for Cobel to achieve her emotionally-charged goals, she re-ignited her perspective that Mark is an end to her means.
Whatever she says about her mother is true. Her mother was severed and when inside, she is speaking about innie version of her mother and when outside, outie version of her mother
Have you noticed that on petey’s map the circled “mind” looks like an eye maybe “minds eye”?! Not sure just a thought
I honestly think she is the best character/actor on the show.
Although I really dont like her character as marks next door neighbor. Seems a little too cheesy but I think that’s on purpose. Her as my boss is a scary thought tho! Can u imagine an IRL boss like harmony. What a funny thing her name is harmony, too.
She's great at her part! I think the way she acts with Mark is definitely meant to make her appear to be a harmless grandma/old-fashioned lady, so she pours on the corny behavior, and it hits the mark.
Do we ever see her neck? Thinking about the breathing tube.
Her neck is always covered, from what I can remember. You might be on to something.
Love these videos. I don't know where it fits into things, but is Cobel always covered up in several layers? Seems like she wears a turtleneck sweater or something underneath her clothes in both her office persona and Mrs Selvig.
Yeah, I noticed this too. She's always very buttoned up. I think this might be signifying that she is modest or chaste, in the religious sense.
@@nautilusfilesexactly. like old-fashioned modesty.
Maybe Harmony wasn’t lying about her mother she started off as a Catholic but became chronically ill and became an atheist
0:33 LOL the size of that spoiler alert ‼️
Gotta let them know!
anyone ever notice the painting behind Cobel's desk? pretty strange for her to have a painting of Tornadoes ripping up the county side. looks like a bunch of chaos and turmoil
Charlotte Kobbel was an Eagan test subject.
Hey, Ms. Cobel, we are working really hard in the R&D. She is fine as wine and isn't afraid to shine!
Tell us how you really feel! 😂
Does it strike anyone else that Lumon people tend to say “harmony”as the first thing, when they speak to her? I thought saying her name might be significant. The way her personality, expression, mannerisms, everything shift when Mark calls her “ms Cobel” reminded me of when severed employees pass from one personality to another.
I like the theory that Ms Cobel is one of the first to be severed and there’s some issue with her chip. For that reason she could have three personalities, i.e. “Ms Cobel,” “Mrs. Selvig,” and then “Harmony” who is somewhere between the two. (That also fits with another comment I saw on here, which pointed out that “harmony” refers to 2+ things co-existing)
Innie Mark made the tree Outie Mark's wife hit, so there's some connection to those memories even if buried in their subconscious.
Something to notice is that her last name in the control room starts with S - like her neighbor personality - Selvig. Not C for Cobel. So I'm pretty sure that's foreshadowing for her being severed.
Oscar preformance on this one
The fact that her "outie" is more childlike tells me that what we think of as her outie might actually be her innie, and her "innie" is really her outie, so her severance is sort of reversed compared to everyone else.
Can someone explain to me what that dollhouse meant? I'm assuming it has something to do with her outie, and judging from those hospital tubes and patients tag, im guessing her outie grew up a sick girl with an illness who was hospitalized 24/7. If so, how did she get better though? Which brought me to my other theory that perhaps, lumens objective is creating perfect clones to put the innies minds into, hence why mark's wife is still alive, she's a clone.
I thought the pigtails were just the actress's signature hairstyle - she has them in Little Nicky.
I think its fun to note her manipulation with the lie with her mother being atheist or catholic. Or maybe both are true and she became atheist after something happened to her and this affected harmony. She is also trying to gauge if Mark is reacting to the two opposing statements, if he recognizes the lie
We know there are multiple versions of the Severance chip. Perhaps Harmony has an obsolete version of the chip that is no longer active.
I think Cobel only went to the party as a desperate mean to sniff around Mark to find those who reintegrated Petey to keep her job
I completely missed that her name was listed as deactivated 🤯
The scene where Milchek walks Mark down to Cobel's "New Office" and tells Mark that she was in a 'new office, a completely different office' and that she would appreciate a compliment was kinda strange to me. Wouldn't Mark have been able to tell, based in location, that the office was different?
Idk, maybe I am overthinking it.
She has some weird things with Mark... like beyond the boss or creepy neighbor. Why is she with his sister and missing work? Why is she watching Mark and Gemma, and then gets annoyed/angry when Gemma goes back into the drip about his outtie, demanding that she be put back into the testing room? That was really weird. There are moments of small emotionality, acharacteristic of her two personas, like something deeper is there (more humanity perhaps?) but only small flickers. Have to watch it again.
Isn’t Mrs Cobel also fired before the scene with Dylan? There’s so many ways that could go o_o
I feel like maybe she had a relationship with someone- maybe a “revolved” Kier(whatever tf that means) and she’s using Mark and Gemma to experiment on to see if maybe this person would remember her when brought back to life.
If it was her mom- maybe her mom died and was brought back by Lumen- or Lumon owns hospitals that claim people are dead and they actually cure them and essentially enslave them. Her mom would then be in a similar situation as Gemma/Ms Casey. Maybe Cobel wants to see if there’s a way she can break her severed mom or other loved one out and have them remember her 😅
!!Spoilers about the Severance book below!!
Onto the topic of Gemma..
Due to the Severance book, where a car crash is said to have killed a Lumon employee when she started trying to communicate with her outie, I also wonder if maybe these are more than just silencing techniques, but also coverups. Maybe Gemma was a Lumon employee at one point and the floor where no one leaves is the greatest punishment and most severe forms of experimentation. Maybe they’re people Lumon has either actually murdered, or kidnapped for breaking rules/being apparently unable to not attempt communication with their outie, thus posing major threat to Lumon. So makes “sense” why they’d not be allowed to even have an outie.
So if Gemma had broken the rules, they staged a car crash and then kidnapped her or stole her corpse and reanimated it somehow to experiment on. Seeing as Irving’s employee list says “duplicates removed” I also wonder how many of these people are inception-severed lol.
If this theory is correct, multi-severance could explain why Mark didn’t know Gemma worked for Lumon before “dying” or being reanimated.
I agree Cobel appears severed
Could her mother still be alive? Replay the scene where she is in Mark’s basement (Ep 3) & she’s speaking on the telephone. She seems to be asking a caregiver/nurse about someone, saying,”Did you give her directive praise?” Who is she talking about?
She might have been talking Milchick about Helly. I think that was right after she had gotten in trouble for trying to escape again. I don't remember if she refers to her mother with "was" or "is" when she talks about her mother to Mark in those two instances, but that could be a clue.
I think Cobel is severed only when she is at her house…when she is out of her home she recognizes mark…and is only in her house that she acts childish. Like that weird sentence she says before going to the party in her own car…that she can live if she is scare…Aja says this in the threshold of her house
I think she puts Kir on a pedestal, not Lumon
She has a nice low female singing voice :)
Damn I had no idea she was severed.
Cobel reminded me of the Hitler Youth movement from the Nazi Party in the movie "JoJo Rabbit." Hitler also had a kind of human breeding program, yeah, I got all these Hitler-Groupie vibes from her. She represents the parasocial relationship companies expect their dry-joyless middle management to nurture between employees and the "job creator" at the moist, delicious muffintop. I also wonder if Cobel is her outie.
Cobel or Cobol? How come hardly anyone sees the deeper meanings in these shows? Its not just a show. They are telling you about reality, but in code.
Episode 1, Helly cant escape. Hell-O doesnt anyone else notice the name? The way they show "Hell" in the finale as she blocks the y. The way Lumon is so creepy, like a dystopian nightmare hell realm.
Cobel even says the best prisoners are the ones who dont know they are prisoners.
The black goo shadow person in the credits. The elevator down to the lower level where Ms Casey goes.
Helly literally kicks off the show on top of a coffin. Anybody awake out there?
Imagine if they developed a chip that would cut you off from your soul... maybe they could call it something like Neuralink?
Or maybe SHE wants to be the one to take Lumen down that's why she tried to warn them about Helena
And what about the scene in her office while she’s playing with a finger trap but with her cold face? She’s exhibiting both of these personalities in both settings, surely the writers are loving confusing us
I don't know why everyone says she's lying when she says her mother is an atheist and then a Catholic. You can be an atheist Catholic. I think she's like her mother in that she believes in Lumon but not in a typical way. She's like early Irving where she would have her favorite passages of the handbook but she would also have pages that she thinks are total bs.
I suspect her mother was a Catholic became chronically ill and lost her faith toward the end of her life
'Atheist Catholic' is an oxymoron, for all intents and purposes, and was clearly used deliberately by the show writers to highlight the duplicity or ambiguity of Cobel.
Her outie is an innie.
I think this is the case. I hope we get some clarity in season 2.
Is harmony Hellies mom? Hence “babysitter” “motherly” being trusted to watch over her and the other kids… deep loyalty trying to protect her daughter…
What if Cobel is the mother of Mark and his sister? Might explain why she sneaks off to help with Devon's baby too. It's her grandbaby!
Certainly a possibility! It would explain her fascination with all things outtie Mark!
If that's the case, either marks innie or outie would have been shocked to see her immediately. Marks sister as well, she literally let her carry her baby and still she can't remember her. Im guessing either they're able to erase memories now, or cobel had to abandon both of them when they were infants.
There's no way Cobel is severed. She walks through the severed stairwell unaffected
I think if Cobel was severed they wouldn’t let her know all of their secrets but when they fired her she still knew everything and I don’t see why they would let this happen if she was severed
I see your point, but I if they were really worried about secrets getting out, firing her only makes things worse for them. I don't think being severed changes much in that regard. A non-servered Cobel still knows the secrets, and she's out of the company living like a normal civilian. There must be more to it if they intend for her to keep quiet, knowing she could be angry with them for firing her.
That also means she knows what they'll do to her if she acts up.
WHAT'S THE LESSON?!?!?!?
Her firing makes sense. Lol the literal granddaughter of the founder of the company hung herself; and Cobel kept it a secret and told no one. I mean... that's a big mess-up.
4:11 shows "Harmony S." Could be someone with the same first name.
Isn't that a feeding tube?
Breathing tube, according to the set designer.
@@nautilusfiles okay. Thank you
Why do not we ask Ben Stiller?
Many have tried. He won't give us anything!
@@nautilusfiles Lol Yeah ! I have always wonder Do they have it all done ? or they are doing it as the days goes by modify the show with news storyline..?
@@PedroAmA A lot of shows write the story up to a certain point and then make it up if they get a new contract for another season. Or, sometimes they know how they want it to end, but they don't have all the details worked out. I think Severance probably has a lot of the main events planned out already, but who knows!!
My idea about cobel is that she was abused or somehow romantically traumatically entangled with the eagans
Strong chance this is what actually went down. Can't wait to find out!
The chips obviously do work though, so why did Milcheck say, It means the chips work. Don't they already know that they do?
They are referring to whether severance can be broken or compromised. It's about the integrity of the chip and process. Milhick is saying that they "work" in the sense reintegration is not something they need to worry about.