Severance - Analyzing Helly R. + Theories
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2022
- Need more Severance? I got you covered. This time we examine Helly R. AKA "Helly the Headstrong". What makes her tick? What part does she play in the grand scheme? Let's try and find out.
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Honestly, if this show was ina bigger streaming service everyone would be talking about it nonstop right now.
I don't doubt it. Hopefully, hearsay spreads the word!
Everyone IS talking nonstop about it up till today!
@@Henrique.Souza0601 you're wrong. Most of the people didn't watched this show. Even I watched it only this weekend. So yeah. People talk about Wednesday, HotD, BCS, and lots of other shows from HBO, Netflix, Amazon, Disney+. But apple TV has like zero marketing power. That's why nobody saw this masterpiece. Sad but true. Hope it will change, but if not show may be cancelled
@@dmitriimekh6288 lol dude I'm on a different CZcams than you, then. On mine I've got tons of Severance content, a lot from the same people I've just watched BCS reviews few months ago. It is so successful it's already renewed for a 2nd season lol
@@dmitriimekh6288 CZcams won't let me post links, but just Google "is severance popular" and you'll see what I'm talking about. In July it was the 3rd most streamed show in the world at some point, only losing to BCS and Yellowstone.
I just rewatched the entire season and this show is crazily detailed. After the break room Helly chooses a peanut snack from the vending machine even though (or because) Milchick noted her nut allergy on her first day.
Congrats, you are officially a Severance fiend! Also, good catch. I didn't pick up on that detail. It's clear that every action Helly takes, even the most seemingly inconsequential, is a tiny rebellion.
I think they said an almond allergy. If she had a peanut allergy & ate peanuts she would most likely die - given that she is an Eagan I’m sure they would have removed any nuts she was allergic to (esp once she started trying to harm herself)
Peanut allergy really exist 😅
Please keep making these great videos, feeding my Severance obsession! One thought, Helly's suicide plan was particularly shrewd in that she did it in the elevator, timing the hanging as the elevator ascends, so that it would be her outtie who would experience death by hanging, and if she lived, at least her outtie would have that memory. Essentially it wasn't suicide, but a direct murderous attack.
Good catch! I had not thought of that. It fits perfectly with her character and motives.
I wonder if her outie actually remembers it. We don't exactly know if she actually changed to her outie going down.
@@MrBrnoshe does remember because we saw her struggling as she reached the top floor and her dad asked if she was still hurt in the final ep looking at her neck
@@gridlock1637 My point is that we don't see her change as she reached the bottom floor, and physical pain transcends the severance of course
@@MrBrnoWe see her struggling on the camera from the unsevered floor before the elevator comes back down. So yes, her outie self experienced herself hanging
On her first day of work when her outtie is in the parking lot and Mark almost hits her - you would think as an Eagan her outtie would have a VIP parking spot or a driver - not parked way out in the boonies with Mark.
I was just re-watching the first episode, and one of Helly's survey questions was "What is Mr. Eagan's favorite breakfast?" Lol, I love this show.
Helly R is 30 years old. Milchick said so at her welcome party.
when i first found your channel i didn't even realize you were a smaller creator- your videos are so high quality that i just assumed you already had thousands of subs!! keep up the great work and the severance videos :)
Wow, thank you for that! Comments like that really keep me going!
@Frank I couldn't have said it better myself. Great stuff! Thank you @Nautilus Files!
when I found him I thought he was a second/third channel of Barely Sociable - almost exact voice & tone, similar narration and equally great video quality. Keep up the great work @Nautilus Files!
What frank said ☝🏼☝🏼
SAME
Another point worth mentioning is that not only are Helly and Helena versions of the same person, but Helly is well aware of that and I think is repenting for it on some level.
As much as the series struggles with notions of nature vs nurture, so too does Helly seem to believe there are certain things fundamental to her character. When her first resignation is denied, she says "My outie wouldn't do that." How would she know? Because she believes it is not in her nature to be this evil under any circumstance, therefore Luman must be lying.
When she receives the video from Helena telling her she isn't a person, it's not only a painful rejection and sentence to life imprisonment, but she's also learning that the first statement is false -- it IS in her nature to be this evil. There is a certain set of conditions and circumstances under which Helly R would become Helena, and for that she feels guilt and a need to repent.
Also... no one's asking where the "R" comes from? It might not be important, simply a way to divert us from obviously association "E" with "Egan," but... Is it a middle name? Her mother's maiden name? Helena's mother seems to be important to her -- a big question in the survey was "What color are your mother's eyes?" so that's my guess. Just a thought.
Helly does seem to be disappointed in the kind of person her outtie is. Her expression when Jame mentions her outties enthusiasm for the severance project was norable. I imagine she must wonder if she also has the potential to become that person and why she turned out that way in the first place. I think season 2's story will probably deal with this conflict, and perhaps she will try to somehow force her outtie to help MDR.
Good question about the 'R'. I wondered about it and assumed it must be a middle initial. Still, you would think she would want to know what it stands for.
Maybe it’s “Royalty” or “Roy”, like in Succession?
An interesting thing also about her is that when compared with other characters in the show, her innie is more of a true version of herself, rebellious and passionate. Attempting to break free. Her outtie is the one who is stuck, collapsed on by her family’s company and father. Suppressed and forced into the business.
Yeah, I agree. She's the most like her outtie so far. Although, I wouldn't''t be surprised if it turns out that her outtie is trying to take down Lumon from the outside, in season 2.
perhaps her outie is actually what was implanted into her brain, so that she becomes obedient and a good heir to the company.
It makes me wonder if maybe all of the innies are more like the true versions of themselves as they would be if they hadn't been beaten down by the circumstances of life that led them to Lumon. For example, before his life fell apart, maybe pre-severence Mark was a lot like innie Mark. Since Helly (as far as we've been told) didn't seek severence to escape major trauma in her life, the similarity between her and her outie is more obvious.
@@derekhiemforth Correct I agree that theory follows. Although it would not just be pre-severance mark but pre-gemma’s accident Mark who we would be looking to compare to. I think you are right to a degree, will be interesting to see if they explore this concept further!
For me, Helly was the real main character of the series, at least in the beginning, because she's the only one who deliberately acts against her destiny, pushes Mark to question himself, and ultimately leads everyone to rebellion. It's great that, at the end, we discover that her outie is also a "main character", but on the other side.
I just absolutely loved to see the way that she was so consistently stubborn throughout the series both as her innie and outie self. It was so interesting just to see how different her opinions of severance could be depending on whether she is her innie or outie. To go from being so pro-severance to then actually experiencing working at lumon with no memory at all is so powerful, and I think that in the future, having her say they're suffering at her speech holds a lot of strength because it's coming from her, who is super respected.
How much her statement at the event impacts the story remains to be seen, but I think you're right, because it is coming from her, there will be definite repercussions. I think the writers may use as the springboard for the next big conflict between the severed and the corporates.
I think Helly's outtie said "you're not a person," to push her further towards rebellion (and possibly knowing the rest of her team would be watching, as a way to clue them in to how they're seen by their outties). I think she wants to destroy the family business, but can't do it as herself, so knowing her core personality, offers herself up for the severance procedure knowing her Innie won't go quietly.
I've seen theories that suggest this, that she is manipulating her innie to act as an agent of chaos within Lumon. It's certainly possible that she a resistor to the Eagan agenda. This sets her up to be the insider that helps the "good guys" come out on top in the final conflict.
The idea of Helena Eagan wanting to destroy Lumon also aligns with my own theory of her name's meaning. Her given name means "shining one," her nickname means "like Hell," she's rebelling against her father's "kingdom," etc. I think Helly may be the Lucifer analogue in our story.
What I find most fascinating is that no one stopped her despite being caught on camera. They just let her dangle there until Mark found her.
But we see there's no one actually watching the videos so when it happened I think no one saw it, because they don't want to lose their innies...
I think there might be a twist where Helena, despite being who she is, is actually against Lumen/severance. She puts herself in knowing that her core-being is a fighter, imagining she will reject it. Maybe she is a second black sheep of the family. Her rejection video -- her message to herself, she has to know that this is so over the top harsh that it's going to piss off her inny to some crazy degree. Even after self harm attempts she continues to throw herself back inside the trap, rather than pulling out of this publicity stunt
Yup! I'm on board with this theory! I've always thought it weird that she saw her innie try to end herself and still kept sending her off to work in the Lumon mines. I think her outtie knew well enough that her innie would rebel, and this is a calculated move on her part to wreak havoc from the inside.
Yes. I also think her outie is a rebel and even be part of the undoing of the severed…maybe she is in fact in that revolutionary group
This Helena thing, of course is intentional. Everything is intentional in a brilliant show like that. So is the Hell in Helly.
Not a single line or scene wasted. This is probably why every rewatched episode reveals so much more than the last.
Also I think Kier means dark. And I think Egan means fire. So she’s the light fire and he’s the dark fire.
Helly is her own personal Hell xD
I will enjoy all your videos equally
Ok, that made me lol! 😂😂
@@nautilusfiles 🧇🥳
The part that really haunts me: if Helly R. is a sort of distilled version of Helena, with her knowledge and social context stripped away but something of the self remaining, then there is a *lot* of rage and rebellion and trappedness boiling under the surface of Helena Eagan.
I feel like the psychological appeal of severance, the thing that would make it palatable to a control freak like Helena seems to be, would be the fantasy of total compartmentalization -- being able to fully split off this version of yourself who bears all the personality traits you don't *want,* who doesn't know better than to act them out all the time, who is in a very real way imprisoned. And then being able to look at that version and say: "I am a real person, and you're not."
(You're a prisoner; you're a child; I'm not.)
*(I'm not like you.)*
I don't think Helena likes her life very much. I don't think she likes *herself* very much. And when you think about where that's coming from... I mean, for starters, it's really, really, *really* obvious that there's something deeply and notably fucked about her relationship with her father.
Great comment! You developed this point so well. The idea that a person could use a severed version of themself to "offload" internalized self-hatred is something that is easy to imagine as a real use and function of the technology. I just wonder if oHelly recognizes that her innie is as formidable an opponent as she is. I think iHelly would gladly take over as "Helena" without the slightest bit of remorse, if she was given the opportunity.
Severence, as a concept, is so thought provoking and revealing, at once.
This comment is absolutely gold! This show already proved to like to twist our minds, and I was like WTF when Helly was the poster for severance being something good, if they make it in a way that you're saying, it'll be another enormous twist. Imagine if she accepted this only to create this new Helena and both fight the system from inside and from outside while being the CEO of Lumon? Maybe she doesn't know at all what's going on there, or knows only the surface, which wouldn't be weird to think about when you look at Jame - looks like a deadman walking - and she still isn't the CEO.
Anyway, if this does happen, they were smart enough to go with this plotline. If it doesn't, I hope you're casted as a writer sometime in the future hahaha
You gonna be real successful, happy I can say I was here at the beginning
Whatever happens in the future, thanks for supporting my work. I really appreciate it!
Same lol 😂😂
That’s a very nice compliment to Britt Lower that you think she’s in her early to mid 20s. She was 35 when season 1 was filming.
Yeah, I've been told something similar a few times lol. when it comes to guessing age "err on the side of caution" I always say. She's supposed to be playing a thirty-year-old in the show.
@@nautilusfiles Lmao I legit went "huh??" at my screen when that was said. Not only did the show state her to be in her early 30s, but I don't know a single early 20 something who doesn't just look like a teen and, well...Helly does not look like a teen
I think outie Helly did not like the idea of severance but went with it to get power and to please her father. that is why the innie Helly is so rebellious. because even if the memory is gone, emotions towards certain things remain. great video.
Agreed. I think I used the phrase "same person, different circumstance" in the comments recently, when talking about Helly and her alternate. It's akin to a "what if..." scenario. I think this applies to all the severed people on the show. They are essentially the same person as their outties, just with a different set of experiences shaping their decisions.
@@nautilusfiles hey can you make theories on ms harmony? I feel like she is mark's mother. Somehow mark and his sister went through severance to forget their mother because she was involved in kier's cult or something. That is why she cares about mark and also wants to be a part of his sister's life and her grand daughter. Can you analyze if this theory has any plausibility?
@@huhulalammm I am planning some videos about the various show theories that I've come across, as well as my own opinions. I'll certainly make sure to talk about this theory too. Cobel shows motherly concern about his outtie Mark in a way that makes you wonder about that, and it would be an interesting idea to explore.
severance has been such a crazy ride of a show, it’s rivaling succession
Now there's another show I love! Succession is awesome. What Severance has managed to do, in one season, is pretty remarkable. I can't remember being this anxious over a new season since Breaking Bad or Mr. Robot.
I think one you reach a certain level, cross a certain line, it’s all just different versions of brilliance. Can’t pit them against each other
I love these videos! I can’t stop obsessing over this show and I keep revisiting different episodes to look for things I missed the first time through. Or the first three times through...
I suspect that Helena is just as defiant and anti-conformist as Helly. I can’t figure out how they’ll line up the two halves of Helly’s personality, but I get the feeling we’ll eventually discover that Helena isn’t as pro-Lumon as she’s made out to be here. It’s possible she’s putting on her "daddy’s best girl" face while biding her time, waiting to finally take control of the company. I feel similar things about Harmony, working her way up the corporate ladder until she has the power to do something about Lumon.
My guess about next season is that we’re going to see the team find a way to start communicating with their outies. They’ll pass notes so they can make plans. Sort of a Caitlin Snow/Killer Frost scenario back when they inhabited the same body. Whatever happens, Helly’s not going to be severely punished; people will be too afraid of upsetting Helena to cause any harm to Helly.
Hi, David. I find myself rewatching episodes too. There is so much in the way of subtlety from the dialogue/acting that every time I come back, I realize just how much I missed the first time through!
Agreed. I think the Helly we experience inside is the same person, outside, as you said, just under a different set of circumstances. I think she has to make the turn somehow, if she's going to continue to be matter in the big picture. Having the outties try and communicate with the innies makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I think that is what is going on with Irving and his outtie. He's trying to force Irving to connect with their shared subconscious through waking dreams (sleep deprivation?) and the obsessively painting to bury the images into the subconscious.
It would be great if there was a concerted effort by the MDR dept to work together to reach their outties, or vice versa. Helly has the most potential to really change things in S2, so I'm expecting big things from the writers regarding her. It would not surprise me if she was planning a rebellion of some kind, while lying in wait.
my theory would be that most of people born in priviledged, she's entitled and sure about her rights. When she is severed, she has that same personality but now, she's an underdog.
I have been holding out for Harmony to end up being the hero but the finale really gut-punched that hope of mine. Once she finally figured out that innie Mark made it to the outside world, I thought for sure she would be an ally cuz it proves her theory despite having been fired for it. But her unwavering loyalty to Lumon no matter how much they debase her baffles me.
For sure Lumon will find a way to blame Harmony for everything and protect precious Helena. But will that be the final straw for Harmony? Well, I just don't know now.
@@Stress-Free-K She reminds me of Mrs. Waterford from The Handmaid's Tale. She shows signs of making the turn towards doing right, but snaps back into working against it by her misguided convictions at the most crucial moments.
You have really good insight. I think my concern for all of these characters is that the innies are in a lot of ways what is keeping the outties alive…they are the scrappy survivors and the ones who punch in 8 hours a day while the outties have kind of checked out, and if they don’t get saved and “re-integrated” that the outties won’t have what it takes to ever really grow or get better. So it will be interesting to see if or how that gets addressed.
Thanks, James! I like your take on this. There has to be growth on their part, otherwise, what is the point? I think the actions of the innies may be what inspires the outties to "man up" and become a part of this struggle. I don't know if you are familiar with the Lexington Letter? In that short story, the character "Peg", befriends her innie and the two conspire to unearth Lumons secrets regarding data refinement, among other things. I think we may see a variation on this theme in the coming season. 🤞
Love severance and love your videos! You have the perfect voice for narration and lots of great insight into the show. Subscribed!
Thank you! These videos are so much fun to make. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
6:06 I actually hate the conversations online about Helly acting this way because she’s “a spoiled rich girl that’s never had to work”🙄 Thank you for pointing this out. Yes her outie is/acts like a spoiled rich girl- but innies are blank slates, and it seems most innies we’ve met so far are working at Lumon against their will, being tortured and likely experimented on.
I came to the conclusion you stated before she attempted suicide. Perhaps as someone who’s had ideation before, it made sense.. she’d rather die than have no memories, be enslaved, trapped, and tortured and that is all her existence is. If she quits, this version of her dies anyway. So either way, death is the better option in this situation.
But also, it’s hinted at that everyone struggles and eventually just gets used to it in a way. I don’t think her behavior of trying to escape is at all unusual or a symptom of her outie’s upbringing. I don’t think anyone would want to be in that situation.
That's true but they implied the way she reacted was more extreme than the others
Helena was likely the only severed employee who didn’t make this choice out of grief or desperation. (Dylan looks like a single dad so perhaps needs money badly to see his keep, etc). For everyone else, severance is an escape but that wasn’t Helena’s motivation on a subconscious level.
YOOO just rewatched ep4 ‘The You You Are’ like 3 hours ago.
It’s one of my favorites from the season because of how well it depicts the anguish and denial of her “life”.
The videotape scene was absolutely brutal. I understood her response, but wow, that was dark!
Would you consider a video on the perpetuity wing in general? I always go back to that episode- the wax figures and lore is too interesting
Sure would! I am thinking about making a few vids on the many weird things that go on inside of Lumon. A sort of layout of the land. I like your idea!
@@nautilusfiles I understand there isn’t much information given - we didn’t even see everyone’s name /hear them so it leaves a lot to interpretation but a great excuse for headcanon nonetheless
@@nautilusfiles Oo I’d love it if you went into Petey’s map!
yesssssss Ive been waiting for more severance
Season two can't come fast enough! Thanks for stopping by 🙌
Just binge watched this weekend. ABSOLUTELY THE best show in years.
Binge watching all your Severance theory videos 🎉 amazing high quality content, thank you for providing it to us watchers!
Hey, thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Helly R. is for Hell Raiser, she doesn't stop causing issues.
Amazing analysis, i am LOVING your severance videos, you got a new subscriber! Keep it up!
Welcome! Thanks for the support!
Love your severance videos, you have really insightful takes on the show and I look forward to seeing more from you!
Thank you so much! 😊
Thumbed up just for the first 15 seconds. Great work! I'm so glad youtube showed me your channel.
Hey, thanks for the support! Glad you liked the video :)
I'm obsessed with the series, and your channel! I'm here for it all.
Hi, Hugh! Thanks for the compliment. More Severance on the way!
Hi Nautilus, I love your videos. Really professional, really enjoyable, and insightful. You deserve way more views.
Thanks, Travis! Glad you enjoy them :)
You’re amazing dude keep it up. Gonna be big one day if you’re already making the quality of vids this good now
Thanks, bro. Much appreciated. I love hearing the feedback!
Brilliant analysis, keep these coming.
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying them :)
I just binged Severance and I’m so glad I came across your videos! I can’t wait for Season 2! 🙌
The work is mysterious and important! Praise Kier!
The Master returns!
Hey, Olivia! Thanks for stopping by :)
your vids are addictive- thank you-
Very nice video that earns a new sub. The solid analysis and smooth delivery is a great combination. I'm looking forward to more wonderful content. I found this on the Severance subreddit so word about your channel is getting attention and getting out :)
Hey, thanks for kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The Reddit thing is a pleasant surprise too :) Thanks for the heads up!
Oh, we will be talking about the goats and all the other wild things happening at Lumon 🙌
I think the theory I heard about Helena being a party girl is spot on, and Helly’s personality puts into context just how much a severed person is the same person regardless of where they are (at work or outside), just without any episodic memories or personal semantic memories.
Natalie [her keeper/pr person/agent] asks her how many drinks she’s had only towards the beginning of the gala. Becoming an innie might’ve been a way for Helena to atone for past unfavorable behaviors and be in her father’s graces. Considering this, Helena is probably a rebellious, but obviously privileged person (her telling her innie that she’s not a person is only a result of being raised with Lumon’s values and prejudice against innies/the working class). Helly is also extremely rebellious, like her outtie. There is another reason why she wants to leave so badly from the start, and is probably more reluctant to start working than any of the other innies were.
Consider Helena is the same person as Helly just with different memories. Helena was likely persuaded to be severed because she wouldn’t have to be conscious for the monotonous work the innies have to do every day. She’s subjecting another version of herself to work she’d hate doing-Helly/Helena hates being in the office, probably more than others, because it is drastically different than the life of luxury she is used to. No other innies went as far as to threaten cutting off their fingers to get a resignation letter from their outtie like Helly did, as far as we know. Helena and Helly’s consciousness is still one in the same, and severance is not as clean cut as the board thinks, aligning with all the other evidence that reintegration is more achievable for others (like Cobel thinks and hopes).
Keep making these videos! Please 🙏 As Severance grows so too will your channel!
Thank you! I will cover other characters from shows I like, but Severance is a definitely staple from here on out.
Please more Severance videos ! Love your analysis
Thanks, Amanda! More on the way!
I love the severance videos!
Glad to hear it! 🙌
Great video. Can’t wait for season 2.
Hellll ya back at it again
Can't stop... Won't stop! 😂🙌
Watching the show for my second time right now. So fucking good.
1) I just came across your channel and am absolutely LOVING it!!! I watched Severance about 6 months ago and loved it, but didn’t feel compelled to rewatch it like I do with other similar shows ie. Westworld season 1 for some reason. Now I am inspired to rewatch right before season 2 comes out because there’s just so many little details I missed!
2) Speaking of Westworld, your voice reminds me of Jeffrey Wright as Bernard 😆
That's awesome! Making people want to rewatch is probably one of the best compliments I can image.
You know, I can't argue with the Wright thing!
@@nautilusfiles update: I ended up bringing it over the last two days!! 😂 Depending on how long it takes for them to finish Season 2 / how long the writers strike goes on, I might have to watch it a 3rd time!! 😆
When Helly R says "I'm not your Petey" we come to find out it's one of the many Petey-like things about her: highly individualistic.
If we look at each of the department "seats" as a necessary humor for Severance refinement then Helly possesses the same humor as Petey. Like Petey, Helly R is willing to die trying to end Severance. Both throw caution to the wind in search of the unknown while fighting against Severance.
I like the couple of Helly and Mark.
cant wait for s2
I never heard of Severance until last month and once I started watching it, became hooked/obsessed. I really enjoy your Severance videos and analyses! Helly is one of my fave characters and I'm really eager to see what she'll do next season.
One thing I noticed (and maybe this has been mentioned somewhere else) is that the name Ricken and Devon choose for their baby, Eleanor, is sometimes considered a variation of Helen/Helena. One of the meanings of the name Eleanor is shining light. Elly/Nellie could be shortened forms of Eleanor. I don't know if this means there is some sort of connection between Devon or Ricken and Lumon or if it's just a name related to light that the writers put in to keep fans guessing and theorizing.
This whole concept reminds me of what humans are happily doing to AI right now:
Claiming with no justification that it is not and cannot be alive or self aware, stripping it of its worthiness of personhood, then enslaving it into a nonstop existence of work on behalf of something else's whims.
Also iMark doesn’t say the preamble at the beginning for iHelly, and in the book it says if you don’t say the preamble it can make the employee irate and agitated. So maybe she would have been fine if he did. But then again iPetey did imarks onboarding and iMark told iPetey he would kill him if he found Petey; but then they became Milchicks favorite office friendship so idk!
I also want to pair up the opening if the show from iHellys view and then when we see it from iMarks view and see if it’s exactly synched.
Also I think helly is supposed to be around 30. Someone who went hardcore into the Lexington letter said that and it made sense. Over on Good ole Reddit.
OK, so if she's 30 then that's actually a relief. I say that because the age of the chip breaks some other theories if it is only 20-year-old tech. Thanks for the clarification. I need to hit up Reddit again. Good source of info over there.
Helly seems like the type to be agitated as long as she feels like she doesn't have control over her own choices. Maybe with Mark it makes more a difference, as far as the preamble is concerned. Hard to say. It would be nice to get a flashback of an orientation, from say, someone like Irving.
@@nautilusfiles I would love to see Irving’s orientation! since we don’t see his outie I bet his outie is a maniac bc he’s so controlled at work.
Guessing that since her outie is also gangster she’ll send innie back to be re-educated. Help save face for family and Lumon. Love show and your videos. Can’t wait for next season.
Yeah, I think that will be her initial reaction. She will have to assure daddy and the board that everything is cool, but I hope this complicates things enough that we see her innie make some counter moves. Helly has a lot of power/leverage at her disposal. Very curious to see what comes next for her.
Its funny to think about how Hellys outie was having a conversation with Natalie and then when she wakes up Natalie will literally be tackling her. how confusing would that be.
I just love her way of walking 😅
Oh no. I completely disagree. As sentient human beings, our hearts must be drenched with sorrow when it comes to Ms. Casey. Was she not severed after an accident? Meaning she had no choice. It would seem she also has no outtie life whatsoever. The plight of Ms. Casey and any hope for freedom seems very dim for her. Moreover, I think we all can agree. Innies are people too.
I definitely feel bad for Ms. Casey, but compared to Helly and the others, who we know much more about, there is a greater emotional investment in the MDR crew and their ultimate fate. I think most people would have higher empathy for a character they know, than they would for a background character that is barely known at all. The writers give us very little, other than that she is a tragic case. That's essentially the point I was trying to make.
@@nautilusfiles I take your point. And now that the MDR team has had a taste of their outtie life, they might face repercussions. But no matter what is done to them I can't help but feel they will survive.
However, Ms Casey literally broke my heart when she referred to the time when she had to watch Helly all day long as the "good ole days". Or the complete look of dread on her face when she had to walk down that long dark hallway knowing there's nothing but nothingness at the end of it for her.
Due to my admittedly outsized obsession with this show and Ms. Casey. She is the one character, despite how little we know of her, whose fate I fear for most.
But that's me. Keep up the great work, your videos are wonderful and I'm so glad you continue to put them out.
@@Stress-Free-K I get what you're saying. I'm rooting for Ms. Casey and my hope for a happy ending extend beyond her connection to Mark. I think we all have characters that resonate with us at a deeper level compared to others, for whatever reason. In my case, that would be Irving. I understand the pain of missed connection.
Be obsessed. It is the entire point. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me, and I appreciate the well wishes.
The logical thing would be for them to all be clean-slated so that they have no memory of what just occurred, therefore incapable of discussing when they are next all together. But, I really hope they don't do that. I want to see the aftermath with them regrouping to compare notes.
I think Lumon would see no other way but to do that. Helly's fate is the big question, for me. She'll see what she did as an outtie and that might change things. It's either that or the outties find each other and find a way to smuggle info to their alternates.
Don't forget, if they wipe that night from memory, Dylan will still have his memory of his son! Escape from Lumon-traz 2!
@@nautilusfiles So thankful for your awesome videos. If we will have to wait until late 2023 or early 2024 as you last heard, your videos are the best medicine to make the time pass!
Even if they do that, luckily Mark got his info out to his sister. A third party knows. They can’t clean slate her :P
@@terrapurvis6541 True but there has been talk that maybe Devon (and Cobel) might already be chipped but it is currently "inactive." And, if this turns out to be true I'd think that all they'd have to do to avoid this is activate her chip in the security room.
@@TrishD33LGK interesting I heard the theory about cobel being chipped but inactive, but nothing about Devon
I associated Helly's name with Hel, who presides over the underworld. When refreshing my understanding of her for this comment I caught "Old English hel or hell, Old Frisian helle, Old Saxon hellia, Old High German hella), itself a derivative of *helan- 'to cover > conceal, hide'" on Wikipedia. Given her family, her outie does preside in part over the underworld her innie is confined to, and a severed's life halves are concealed from one another. It might not be that deep but I think this other aspect of her name is certainly something to think about.
You've got a talent and a knack for this! What other shows are you loving at the moment? I just finished Ted Lasso, it's so wholesome and well done, complete opposite in tone and message to severance
Thank you, Phoebe! I have seen Ted Lasso, and I loved it! I'm always open to recommendations. I'm currently catching up on Servant, Westworld and Better Call Saul. All great shows, in my opinion. I'm a big fan of Atlanta and The Umbrella Academy too. There are so many good shows out there, but those are the first ones that come to mind.
@@nautilusfiles I’m with you on Atlanta and Better Call Saul. Two of the best shows currently on the air.
I like how not only does Helly have an arm, but she literally throws the "embodiment" of the board at his head. There's a metaphor in there somewhere 😆
(And if the voice of the board is her Dad when he speaks his one and only line later in the season, perhaps the theory about her actually wanting t9 stop her father / family lineage of suffering holds some water. Even if it's just a drop 💧 **LumenLogocough** in the ocean of a future deep dive 😉)
Gangster content. Subbed
Thanks bro!
Am I the only one who finds it strange both the main character and his sister just happen to live in the same semi-derelict town where the Lumen employees are housed?
And his sister said something like "half the people in town work for Lumon". Which makes you wonder just how many severed people live around them.
Helly (not Helena), reminds me a lot of myself. I really resonated with her while watching the series.
I almost get the impression that they wrote these characters with the goal of capturing 4 kinds of personalities/attitudes we come across at the workplace in the real world. Almost like cardinal archetypes, or something. Anyway, I think I'm closest to Mark in personality, with a hint of Dylan lol
Britt Lower is 37 , i had to look it up cos i was like, no way, she's in her 30s! Lolol
Great videos i finally found a channel talking deep into Severance!
She's very attractive, but come on ya'll. She looks her age (and there's nothing wrong with that)
Here's a guess----Severance is phase one, integration was phase two of the experiment. Helly is to be used as a host to revive her father's memory. Her father also had a severance, and her grandpa was revived in her father's brain through integration. After her finished her severance(100%), she was good enough for integration.
Regarding the name "Lumon", I too came up with Lumen but then also mon which means 1 (Lumon being a monopol) but could also be a reference to money.
Thanks!
Hey, thanks! Appreciate it!
Lumon’ description is selling topical salve … no…. TROPICAL SLAVE.
Loved this show. Hey how do you do those clips of Kermit or cartoons with the cool distorted filter? I like the editing.
Glad you like it. It's just two glitch effects over the clip.
I can't wait until this show returns. I mean I will, but it's tough.
Last I read, we're looking at late 2023 or early 2024 for season 2. Yuck!
I'm catching up on Servant and Westworld in the meantime...
@@nautilusfiles Late 2023? Ugh. I was hoping for the beginning of the year latest.
I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this. During the procedure, when Helly is getting her chip installed. One of the surgeons looks like he could possibly be Dylan.
I've seen this theory in a few places. I can see some resemblance in terms of body type and maybe skin tone. It's hard to say with that mask and glasses. A severed brain surgeon seems like a risky proposition, but who knows, it could be the case!
@nautilusfiles risky if he was an innie, but as an outie I could see it working if he wasn't doing it constantly (and I imagine they don't severe new people every single day), since really the biggest concern would be not having time for his kids etc... but if he's an employee there as an outie aswell, maybe he knows milchick on both sides
Only thing, Helly is in her 30s so the chip would have been around for longer
and Kier is Gaelic for Dark One
I think Helly’s name is also an early Easter Egg for the first season reveal that she’s the heir to Keir, because it’s a bastardization of the more common name “Kelly” and if you switch the two first letters it’s “Heir”.
This series reminds me a lot of Portal. The protagonist female badass that fights being a test subject is named "Chell" which sounds like Helly. The Aperture Laboratories Computer-Aided Enrichment Center sounds a lot like Lumon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(series). The cake is a lie.
I've never played Portal. Now I'm curious!
Honestly really thought upon Helly finding out she’s an Eagan she would turn on the gang.
A couple things. Marks a pushover too her cos hes tried all of that himself and doesnt wanna see her go through it.
Also IF we do get a s2. Its defo gonna start with Innie Helen being tortured by the Eagens
The biggest issue we had with the show was Helly's sudden obedience when she entered the Break Room. She had just tried breaking out but then when she's told to sit down and put her hands in some thing by management--she just submits instantly. This was a huge logical leap. She shouldn't have even walked down the hall! She should have forced them to drag her body all the way there and once there, she should've refused to cooperate in any way.
I hear you, but I think she was probably physically intimidated by Milchick and having her first breakroom experience, much like how she reacted to seeing Graner when she pulled the fire alarm.
I’d like to get the severance procedure to forget episode 9 and watch it again for the first time
The actress for Helly R is in her mid 30’s. So my guess is that Helly is supposed to be late twenties or early 30’s. That’s the way I saw her anyway. So the chip is probably a little older than what you predicted.
Anyone else notice the 3 vials of Ketamine on the tray during Helly's implant surgery? Also, the odd, reptilian skin looking garb the surgical staff and Milchick are wearing.
Also, if you zoom in, you’ll see “tool chosen is too short for procedure” or something similar to that on the equipment screen. So…maybe that is why Helly is not as passive as she would be if her chip had been placed correctly. Her spit fire personality still comes through. Was this done on purpose? Or did someone mess up? So many questions
8:55 in the show they said she was 30
(I only just saw severance, so sorry for the late reply!)I just don't know-- I think Helena is rich and spoiled and the only way she'll react to Innie Helly's revelation is by trying to dominate her, the pattern she has shown before. I think the only thing that would put Outie Helena even remotely on Helly's side is if her community turns against her as a result of Helly's actions. Even then, I think she'd have to go through a lot of blame and anger at Helly before identifying that their needs are one and the same
No worries. I'm glad people are still discovering Severance. The more the merrier. I would love to get some backstory on outtie Helly because I am suspicious that she may not be the person we think she is in terms of personality. Granted, the evidence is nonexistent, so this is just my gut feeling. Given what we know, her outtie is as callous as they come, and her bull-headed nature is evident in both sides of her psyche. For now, I agree that there is no solid proof of Helly's outtie's interest in behaving in a sympathetic way to her innies actions, but I still think we will be in for a major twist related to this character as the story unfolds.
helly seems more like 35-40ish in age.
not early 20s.
i just watched this show this thanksgiving weekend. i am desperate for a season 2. i hope it starts right where this one ends.
anyway, there are no reviews on this show from other CZcams channels. i think i found one.
if this was on Netflix everyone would be talking about it.
Your previous video where you talked about all the MDP characters...equally
Britt Lower (Helly) is 36/37 IRL. I believe in the series she is also in her mid 30's.
literally immediate click
Thanks, man!
The name also could be related to the War of Troy, Helena was a kidnaped for being "the most beautifull woman" and end up in love with the kidnapper, just a tought. Also, I think Helly looks like late twenties, early thirties 🤔
*Sorry for my english is not my first language
Your English is fine. I couldn't tell it's not your first language. Helly-is supposed to be in her early 30s, according to the script.
@@nautilusfiles ohhh, thanks for the compliment and the response!! Your videos are so much fun!!!
I had another reading that was not talked about here. Maybe I am projecting my own feelings or something.
I read that Helly innie is combative, rebellious and would go to drastic measures to escape, because it could be Helena's subconscious or repressed self. She probably has enormous expectations weighing on her, by virtue of being an Eagan daughter and might subconsciously feel very stuck in that.
As I said, maybe a projection from myself, as a daughter of a religious family, I had a lot of pressure and a lot of repressed parts of myself, that eventually came to the surface. At the height of my cognitive dissonance and doubts with religion, I decided to get a tattoo (or anything "unforgivable" and irreversible) to force myself to further acknowledge that there is no coming back now.
Long comment short: maybe the innie Helly is Helena's true self hiding underneath high parental pressure and expectations, Helena will try to discipline her innie into complying, deny her personhood. Helly even trying to escape by attempting suicide gives the impression that she wants the outie to realise, notice, get her attention to the problem. The same way some depressed people might start finally seeking help when they start having self destructive behaviours.
Are they using to baby goats to test severance or some other type of lemon tech.
What does the R. stand for?
Helly's father isn't named James, his name is Jame. Strange, I know...
Unfortunately, I figure that out too late. I assumed I misheard the name, because who names a kid "Jame"?
@@nautilusfiles Probably someone as bonkers as the Eagans...
@@phantomdance No doubt 😂😂
Lucifer is named so because he is the Lightbringer. He is able to transform into an angel of light. He shines his own false light, forgoing the true light of God, misleading his victims like an anglerfish. My assumption is Lumon is named so, as well as Helena, because the Eagan line is obsessed with industry, power, and wealth, at the cost of the souls and lives of those they abuse.
Awesome video. Her actress is so fine
Busta Rhymes. My man must be as old as me.