What Happened to UDisc Live?
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- Last week we learned that the Disc Golf Pro Tour would not be using UDisc Live as its digital scores and statistics provider for the upcoming 2024 season and will instead develop their own platform, in collaboration with the PDGA, hosted on DGPT.com. We discussed the implications of this move and the motivating factors for both the DGPT and UDisc that may have influenced their decision.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 New DGPT Scores & Stats
0:47 UDisc & The Pro Tour
1:27 Data Licensing
2:36 Fantasy and Wagering
5:01 The Future of Udisc
8:40 What Do You Think?
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The blend of Goose missing a putt with Squid Game was solid! 8^)
Thanks for a great video. Very insightful rundown and brought up a lot of points that I'd not even thought of. Thanks for sharing.
Great lighting in this video. Sharp shirt. Good production. Keep it up!
The idea of udisc emerging as a competitor is intriguing. Watch for them to make a grass roots move to support smaller events, particularly with the new membership required rules for B and C tier pdga events.
I feel like Udisc is more for local players and fun/practice round score keeping. It’s a great app. The detailed directions to thousands of courses. Smart layouts, etc. $30/year is super cheap. That’s less than one fast food sandwich every month. It’s funny what people will blow their money on while they complain about $2.50/month.
Unfortunately $30 a year is way to costly seeing how when the app first came out it cost $4.99 for the year that $25 increase is why I can keep my own score in my head not to mention more times then not the layouts on UDisc aren’t even up to date or showing the correct layout
@@TonyMontana-jd8se More times 'than' not the layouts on UDisc not being up to date is not on the fault of UDisc. The developers are not going to every course and entering the layouts. Talk to your local course clubs or maintenance.
@@krypticoctopus6892 well if they wanna charge $30 a year they better make it their problem and fix it or they won’t be in business much longer now that they are no longer teamed up with dgpt
Have you done a video on what to consider legally if you plan on opening your own private disc golf course?
I like how the courses shown here on UDisc are from Minnesota
Yessir! Minnesota is the birthplace of UDisc.
Really disappointed with the huge U-Disc pro subscription increase, considering dropping that. As with most pro sports I am developing a somewhat ambivalent attitude toward the pro tour, I find myself less interested. I am mainly focused in my local club play and how I can improve my game (bought my first Innova disc in 1985).
From starting in 2018 to now, ive ised udisc primarily just for finding new courses and or layout. I take a score one time to "check in" to a course and add it to my list. Now that they finally changed the 10 scorecard being too much, i dont see a need to renew to udisc pro. The pdga switch is a no brainer and was bound to happen eventually.
Me and some buddies are running our own fantasy "league" this year actually!
Personally, I always thought UDisc should move in the social media direction of Disc Golf. Nothing crazy, but if UDisc had a section where you could have friends (which is already basically incorporated into the app through playing with them) and see their recent scores and/or any pictures or videos they may have taken on the course I think it would be really cool. It would also be a cool way to get more pictures for courses.
There's no reason to think you'll move away from UDisc, unless you're only using it for following the pro scene.
Udisc is still work the $30 for me as much as I use it (200+ rounds a year). The only way i could see myself moving to a PDGA style app is if they provided the same score keeping, stat tracking, and features as udisc. Also a way to import your rounds/stats from udisc to the new app. I dont use udisc to track the pro tour or tournaments so that change does not affect me.
I believe that point of this video also can be that there should be no subscription for UDisc as they are planning (or maybe already) to monetize your data.
I find one of the biggest benefits to UDisc is their course maps and location maps and will pay the fee just to support their efforts, however, I do hope they can develop their event hosting process to be a competitor to the PDGA and DGS as that has been a bit antiquated from a TD point of view.
The sport is young enough there need to be competing leagues. I do not like trusting the future of the sport to the whims of a few individuals trying to make money.
DGPT/PDGA need competition from smaller organizations, or they have no reason to give us an improved product.
GO UDISC! I might sign up for a tournament if it didn't come with the added pressure of joining the PDGA.
I have found myself watching less tournaments and just playing the sport not following near as much because of the widespread commercialization that the sport has been moving to and I liked udisc but I won't be spending 30 on it
UDISC will come in and take the west coast tour. Maybe down the line have a east and west coast battle at the end of the season
Very thought proviking. Thank you! A few thoughts:
1 - UDisc's main value to me and many users is course maps and on-course navigation. I don't use any of the stats or score casual rounds with friends that way. If PDGA had this feature I'd ditch UDisc in a secont.
2 - Many folks are unhappy with the PDGA for reasons I won't go into here. I know some events that use UDisc entirely because of that. If the PDGA wants to maintain its near-monopoly standing it needs to keep members happy. Preventing non-members from playing in many sanctioned events is more stick than carrot.
3 - The football imagery and analytics discussion is apt, but the reality is that disc golf is still a tiny sport compared to many others. The primary goal of the PDGA, UDisc and others should be to grow the sport, and thus grow the pie, rather than fighting over the size of slices of the small market.
I’m pretty sure that Disc Golf Scene is owned by the PDGA
Disc golf scene is owned by the PDGA
Interesting content. I disc is more important to me. I want to find a course to play not a tournament to bet on
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Gambling does more to make me question a sports validity than it does legitimizing it.
I don't believe from the comments I've seen that Udisc initiated this, it certainly seems they knew of it much sooner than they revealed, which I have the same criticism either way but it would be an even stronger criticism if it was revealed that they were the initiators, and that is the fact that they chose to withhold any information about the removal of a core feature until after a huge number of the subscriber base had renewed subscriptions at double the previous rate.
In the latest interview on ultiworld he hinted at them (udisc) wanting more money, the pro tour also offered a buy out similar to jomez and udisc also turned that down... Just like with any other business they said ok we will find our own solutions.
If nothing else… now I need 2 apps???
“Break”
Advertizing is way more serious than Advertising
Just wait until there’s nothing but sports betting commercials on DGN and Jomez instead of discs and bags nstuff…
I think the “pro” PDGA and “the rest of us” are so far removed. The revolving door of players that don’t stick with tournament play or the sport in general is why these two entities exist in the first place. One category for normal players, and the other for professional players/aspiring pros.
Why does everything the pro tour does feel like a cash grab?
Cause it is. Don’t be fooled. There’s people making millions and they can’t even pay players that much.
That's all disc golf is to the pro tour and pdga. They have done an amazing job over the last several years in marketing that. Or should I say, having US market it as 'Grow the sport'. Truth be told, I doubt they could give a rats rear about the kids they market to in the school programs and such. It's all about selling the merch when they grow old enough and making rich men richer. And we have all taken it hook line and sinker.
Whenever a tournament/league uses Udisc I refuse to keep score. I am all in for PDGA live though that makes it so easy and almost fun to keep score.
An informational video, as always - but also just like always, journalistically incomplete (I do understand you're not a journalist and don't claim to be one). The omission of such a perspective hurts the game, in my opinion. Check out the recent 60 Minutes production on sports gambling - not much good it does for society, and it can wreck people's lives. Is this good for the game? I doubt it, but it's gonna happen anyway.
As a newer player (began in December 2020), I was kinda hoping the PDGA scoring app and uDisc would merge - it would make sense in a lot of ways if that would happen. But I'm glad for StatMando (if this is what they want).
It has NOTHING to do with fan interaction or experience.
It has to do with $$$$$$ !!!!
They could care less about the fans, I wanna see how much the DGPT has made in the last few years….. where’s that money going? Or who’s pockets are getting stuffed. They’ve made millions and the product is still bad except for the players who don’t get any of the monies. And they are the ones who bring viewers and buy discs.
team udisc, 1000% better quality
DGPT should have just bought Udisc
If that was an option for the DGPT, it's possible that uDisc just wasn't willing to sell for a price the DGPT was willing to pay. uDisc might just see more value in the risk vs reward in developing their own product further.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a direct uDisc + DGPT partnership though.
@@kevinmoehring8259 I do see Udisc as a Gold mine for courses. " Where do you go to find a disc course?" "Udisc. Lots of information they have beside just putting or stats and scores.
I am so glad I have never given DGPT a single cent of my money. Their coverage is lower quality than CZcams in 2012 - and it's little more than ultra-lossy 360p20 sold as 1080p60. In my view it's immoral to organise your business to take advantage of gambling - which is a curse on our society, and a major problem to be solved, not something to openly embrace.
Shame on you, DGPT. Shame on you!
Ugh, gambling is one of the worst things humans ever invented…
Pretty sure human trafficking, nukes, slavery, several different drugs, etc would be some of the worst things. Betting on sports is pretty innocent in the scheme of things 😅
@@justinmarshall6001not that I agree but “one of the” is pretty clearly written there.
@@leastselfawarepotassiumyeah bro I simply disagree that it’s even a factor. You could say cars are “one of the worst” things invented with 6 million accident and 40k deaths a year. Anyone can say anything is “one of the worst” doesn’t make it sensible
close but I think it’s marketing that is the worst human invention
hey...lets turn Disc Golf over to organized crime or better yet, create a new Bureau Of Flying Disc Sports as part of Congress. #GrowTheCrime
The whole investment by corporations and conglomeration of disc golf is so sad. Screw Udisc and PDGA apps, I can record on my scores on a piece of paper. Screw the DGPT and their pay per view. Screw the PDGA for eliminating classic courses from the schedule. I got a bag and don't need any of the so called 'growing the sport' lies. Just a bunch of greedy peeps hoping to get rich through gambling and bs marketing.
The "grow the sport" movement is finally showing what it really is.
LMAO I bet your still throwing Frisbee pie pans too 😂😂
I play catch with trees often. My point is that Disc golf is trying and succeeding to become a coporate insinstitution where the onlly goal is marketable profitabality. Don't we have enough of that in out lives. @bradlasseigne8436
Why so much atrocious background noise? Is that supposed to be music? Seriously, if I want to listen to music, there are other apps for that. I'm not here for the concert. I'm here for the disc golf information. Please knock it off with the background noise!
UDisc you just signed you own obituary you were already to costly a year for what you offer and you’re more of a casual players use to get used to a new course you have no business in tournaments that are pdga sanctioned