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I always won the 100m and 200m from age 8-15 years. When I entered high school this all changed and half the sprinters were on steroids. My coach actually said "don't worry, these guys are muscle bound they can't run fast". The guy proceeded to run a 10.35 in the 100m dash at 215 lbs. This was back in the 1980s.
@@antoniomelton-molina1442 if you run a 10.3 at 215 in hs you're probably on the juice. Like, no. Just no. Thats too big to be that fast especially at that young. He'd dust NFL running backs that would be his same size, in highschool.
They won't test Jr Athletes that aren't at the National Team Trials or World Events. It gives them time get growth boosts that are permanent that won't show up in future testing.
there is a difference between training hard and ruining 100s of bodies just to find 1 athlete that can handle the insane amount of training volume without giving a single F about their wellbeing and longevity.
At 18:45, I think the point Clarence was hinting at was not really that athletes back in the day were training harder, but that there was a greater emphasis on the sport in that time in general. The bulgarian system is a good example. They had a massive talent pool to work with, and put them to the grinder to see who was elite. I'm not sure if this is true, but Clarence might argue that a country and its society would devote more effort and resources into weightlifting, and that is the reason for success. Nowadays, since the standard isn't as high, and the incentive isn't as great, the circumstances might just not be as good for creating elite athletes. This could be an explanation for why lifts aren't as high anymore, despite certain athletes being untested. I doubt Clarence was making a simple statement about just "working harder." That would kind of seem to imply that a gifted natural lifter could "work harder" and get close to enhanced athlete that's "lazy," in this view. Clarence is a very hard worker, so I don't think he has any illusions about that stuff.
It all boils down to money. Steroids work and they work extremely well. And the winners get paid extremely well. But, at some point it becomes a drug race, not an athlete race. Who has the best drugs is the winner, not the person who trained the hardest. It becomes a chemistry competition not a weightlifting competition.
It already is a drug race and will always be because there is a limited amount of genetic selection and good training you can do as a country After that it just becomes cheating in PEDs, weightcutting and possibly bribes
People want heroes. They want to see records broke and obstacles overcome. The only way to continually move sport forward is drug innovation and technological innovation.
No elite athlete is "clean". There are a lot of different things, used these days, which are not traceble with the current WADA tech. As far as Seb's opinion goes - I would say he is being a bit hypocrate. No elite athlete, regardless of the sport, is clean. With all the current records - the amount of preassure a body must take to cope with that is not possible to be achieved withoiut some help from "outside". On top of that these days WADA is more politycal organ rather than sports one.
I lived in eastern Europe during the 80s and saw "B" level lifters train at a sports complex and yet haven't seen anything remotly close here in the US gyms. No benches or machines just platforms and squat racks.
Good to hear from someone on the front lines. I think the problem is not so much with the state of anti doping technology. Leaps and bounds have been made in that regard in the last 15 years. The problem is with the enforcement of anti doping. From what I recall Russia and Jamaica have faced sanctions or at least come under scrutiny, other countries like North Korea and Iran shold be tossed.
Saw the title.. I had to comment right way. I'm a natural 100% and I agree with Clarence. It's not conversional, the belief should accord to individual's choice of taking gear or not. Same with having two different people, one earns more money and other earns less. Then telling to the one who earns more needs to lower the income to become equal to person who earns less. Anti-doping process is illogical, period. Humans are here to maximize our potential mustering the most out of our genes. "I take the gear" is considered taboo to general weightlifting community. Clarence accelerates this issue to the front of weightlifting universe, things involving taking gear is common nowadays. He's basically saying, "Hey.. the sports became political in the interest of having athlete on stage or not." Anti-doping is political of sports.
I don't think the act of cheating then them coming back to win makes them more likeable, IMO you see someone get pinged for using PEDs then they come back a year later put 20kg on their total and test positive, it just tells me they've gotten better at cheating
Dane, Seb and Clarence. The Holy Trinity. Safety first. Agree with the lot of you and yeah… on a scale of 1:10, 6.9 being a fail test score. Doctors, coaches and players will figure out “the way” to use and pass with 7.0 test. At the time of the competitive event. ☘️🏋🏻♂️🙏🏻 Thanks for sharing.
In the interest of public health, athlete potential, and exploratory drugs to prevent diseases and epidemics the only right answer is to eliminate anti-doping. It would also provide better public education on the risks and benefits of taking drugs, rather than them being run by absolute idiots as they are currently who could not care less about your well being. As a society we need to stop creating stigmas - it is exactly what creates division and separation.
21:50 Is it possible that 80s athletes DID in fact train harder, but only because the heavier drug use bolstered recovery? Still, a poor point for Clarence to make.
i dont think its that poor of an argument, yes ofc they trained harder because of the heavy drug use but coaches also didnt give a shit about the wellbeing of an athlete. burning 100 guys to the ground by volume and drugs just to find 1 person that could take it.
Well yes but no. When you have a communist country that makes lifting your job, they automatically had selected the genetic elite. Every athlete they had were the 1in a million genetic freak. While athletes in weightlifting use, there's nothing to suggest that they don't anymore. All it takes is some research and boom you have an untestable compound due to a single modification in the chemical structure cough cough China. It's like a dirty little secret in the Olympics at this point. Being open and honest would allow for better blood work tests to be run that can allow the athlete to take PEDs under medical supervision and proper PCT. PEDs could also help with injury rehab and prehab in many cases, as certain peptides increase tendon strength and could prevent tears or rips. 80% of the Olympics weightlifting team uses and will continue to use, being open and honest about it just levels the playing field. There's also the constant argument that if we allow them to take drugs then they will take me and risk their health further, but that argument ignores the concept of diminishing returns and the fact that we could legally research for sager PEDa rather than getting them from an Under Ground lab that's mixed with God knows what. I've heard stories of people getting "test powder" and got a sample tested and it was creatine. People were going to inject actual creatine. Legality is a matter of safety, making drugs legal has made them safer in every instance.
They trained much harder. And there was a group of talented lifters, more talented than now. Yes the training did not consider the health of the athletes and just destroyed them, leaving only the best left. This isn’t how oly lifting is done in most countries now. Fella in this video kinda lost his shit on that one
there has never been more drug abuse in america than at the current time. Almost 60% of the regular gym goers are on shit. And if they are, then you better bet your life the pros also are
In this debate, scientific advancements including the dev and use of PEDs usually beats any enforcement. The labs are always innovating and we've seen previously unknown drugs discovered years later. That said, its not say a drug use in weightlifting is 100% guarantee to a medal. A drugged lifter can be beat by a more technically skilled competitor like a Lu. This is a constant struggle and I can see why Clarence would take his stance. There needs to be check and balance which you reference to weapons inspectors come to mind. If its opened up, at least we would know what they (competitor countries/athletes) would be on. Undisclosure of certain drugs would be punished. Not sure if thats how the world of doping control should go, but thats one way it could.
*a drugged lifter can be beaten by a more techincally skilled lifter who is also on gear. Please, please, please dont tell me you think Lu is natural lmao
The curious thing about doping that people rarely discussed from an observation standpoint is that, why is it fair that those with the best genetics (obviously combined with training, starting training young etc) are the only ones allowed to win? In a meritocracy we want to reward those that work the hardest. If those ungifted in the genetics department could dope to the tested levels of the most gifted in the sport, then we are truly seeing those who have worked the hardest. Not those born with the highest genetic potential and natural test levels.
only someone taking steroids would say anti-doping is hurting weightlifting.......... if you want to see who the strongest human is than use no drugs.......that is true human strength........ if you want to see what the best drugs to use to make you stronger than use drugs......if your not competeing who cares what you take......
Wait how does the analogy work about nuclear missiles when all the biggest players have nuclear weapons and many have also resigned from the treaties of downshifting them? I'm not sure if bringing up very different sports individuals to compare to weightlifting is a solid argument. I have trouble comparing if they have the same qualities regarding for example doping effects, I don't know and I'm not comfortable bridging that gap multiple times as a counter-argument against doping in weightlifting. Some people who know/use PEDs have said that the effects are often exaggerated and that there's a significant difference, but smaller than people are willing to admit though. Is it guaranteed that athletes x and y aren't taking some of the designer stuff Clarence was mentioning despite being tested all the time? I don't really know the mechanics of doping so I'm not sure if they all work the same way and just show up for less time or aren't recognized in the tests. Or is the Dr. Greg Nuckols argument on Stronger by Science stronger, that when the athletes competed in Russia, the best method to pass tests in their eyes was for FSB agents to swap samples through a hole in the wall. That if that's the best option in a country like Russia, they really have trouble passing tests without resorting to money and corruption through the ranks to avoid doping tests. Great breakdown of these argumentations, especially I was happy about critique on Clarence's arguments, because I hadn't heard too good counter-arguments against his points that acknowledge the current situation and what he really said, but from this video I got a few. I'm on Clarence's side on the conclusions in the end, that anti-doping is not working. I'm not saying doping tests aren't working, I don't know enough about that and seems like they many times are if you get legit samples and are allowed to perform the tests by their plans. However falling to the same opinion on this doesn't mean that I prefer PED sports. I would love sports to be PED free. For the glory, for the dreams, for the romanticism. I do recognize that genetics still play a big part on who becomes the best of the best, PEDs or not, but at least you wouldn't have to use them to play on even field. Even though your arguments imply that some natural athletes can compete on equal footing. You also proposed some rather simple and effective changes. Or simple and effective on paper, tearing down and rebuilding a structure like that might not be as straight-forward and easy as it sounds.
Clamrence is right. Use dope or don’t use dope. Still gotta put in the work. That’s like making people butcher a figh with a spoon cause that’s just how you want it
Hey Dane, do you think former sprinter Maurice Greene was on the gas? He was only like 170lb at the Sydney 2000 Olympics. How about Taner Sagir? He sure didn't look like he was on anything with his baby face, full head of hair and lack of acne.
Google “Maurice Greene Memo Heredia”. Heredia testified under oath that Maurice Greene paid him 10k for PED’s. I don’t see why he would make it up under oath if it wasn’t true.
@@StuartGilham But that was at the end of Greene's career. There's no evidence that he was using anything up until 2001 and he was at his best from 1997 - 2001.
@@gothops2632 I guess it’s possible he was clean in his prime. That said if he had a mind to use PED’s I would think he wouldn’t risk it at the end of his career. Maybe he was desperate for money and needed a guy result but then according to the court records he was forking out quite a bit for the PED’s.
@@StuartGilham If I'm not mistaken, it was HGH and IGF-1 he was buying from Heredia, which would not have helped his sprinting performance, but just increase his body weight. This is exactly what happened and his final race where he could only manage 10.7 was the wake up call that it was time to hang up his spikes.
lets have a beer and a pizza and watch some 300kg snatches and 400kg clean and jerks in the 85 kg weight class!wouldnt that be FUNtastic ? as a World class couch potato i think i can have an opinion !!
Clarence is plain wrong. I have a background in track and field and basketball and I have always been Natty . My cousins who was a bodybuilder was a juicehead and passed away at age 41.
Stupid arguement. Drugs may be "sprinkled" among some athletes now, but the spectators do not see that. Allow them, the spectators will go away. Majority of spectators do not support. Take spectators away, sponsors go away, Take sponsors away, money goes away. The only ones who want drugs in sport, and the narcissists, and the drug dealers.
dude I'm really considering steroids soon. I think I'll cut down from 83 kg, to 73 kg. Height of 5'10 btw. And then record all my main lifts at a natural level. Then proceed to steroid usage. I'm now at the advanced training level. At least for my lifts. 190KG deadlift, 155KG squat, 105KG bench press, 115 kg pull up. 55KG 3rm overhead press. Trained since September 2018. Only started deadlifts and squats 6 months in at the start. Then properish form from about the 1st year onwards. Forms are pretty perfect now. Lifts were on hold for a while during lockdown period btw. Still did bench press and pull ups when I can, motivation certainly died during this period since no access to barbell.
Mate, you haven’t even come close to your natural peak. You can hit way better numbers natty. I know loads of guys who are smaller than you in kg, and are hitting way harder numbers. Make sure your diet is precision and sleep is perfect….. of course train your ass off
those numbers aren’t advanced by any stretch of the measure, more like early intermediate. advanced lifters have to be training for atleast 7 ish years, if you’ve only trained for 1-2 years you’re a beginner, 3-6 intermediate
I see both sides of the argument, however, I don't think the right decision is making something legal because people are going to cheat regardless. If you want to compete you sign up to see who is the best under a certain set of rules and standards. If you don't like those rules then do not compete, go do your PEDs and be a regular lifter. Interesting topic for debate and as always I enjoyed your point of view.
Why is it cheating? Those athletes train as hard, maybe even harder, they're probably more talented as well. Now, why not use technologies we have such as those drugs to treat injuries and keep athletes physically healthier. I understand that bodybuilding level consumption is counterproductive, but if they want to ruin their health for temporary achievements, so be it
Right🎉 people have more tools today and knowledge but them in a little something they going to beat world records by 29% lol ... They all are taking but less and shorter periods t.: the games remains : do not take is a joke : do not get caught ❤
What they need to do is find the body weight that is ideal for their height, any increase would result in disqualification. Let them take whatever, but if their weight increased that would result in disqualification.
Just because the Chinese lifters are taking more gold medals isn’t indicative of doping. If your speculation is based just on them winning…I reject that. Now, I will say that PED’s are available otc here (I live in the PRC) however, that also doesn’t mean that their teams are doping. They get their asses handed to them in other power sports. They have a fantastic weightlifting program and coach.
i just think to get drug testing to a point where it would be effectiv in every country it would cost too much money and this is all money that could go to the athletes so basically u take mone from the athletes to test them so that they use drugs anyway so seems pretty pointlesd
Except PEDs are considered cheating because it's against the rules, while looking at other people's papers is cheating because it isn't a team activity
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I always won the 100m and 200m from age 8-15 years. When I entered high school this all changed and half the sprinters were on steroids. My coach actually said "don't worry, these guys are muscle bound they can't run fast". The guy proceeded to run a 10.35 in the 100m dash at 215 lbs. This was back in the 1980s.
how did you know they were roided up
@@antoniomelton-molina1442 if you run a 10.3 at 215 in hs you're probably on the juice.
Like, no. Just no. Thats too big to be that fast especially at that young. He'd dust NFL running backs that would be his same size, in highschool.
They won't test Jr Athletes that aren't at the National Team Trials or World Events. It gives them time get growth boosts that are permanent that won't show up in future testing.
This story sounds suspicious. A 10.35? Seconds? In highschool?
there is a difference between training hard and ruining 100s of bodies just to find 1 athlete that can handle the insane amount of training volume without giving a single F about their wellbeing and longevity.
At 18:45, I think the point Clarence was hinting at was not really that athletes back in the day were training harder, but that there was a greater emphasis on the sport in that time in general. The bulgarian system is a good example. They had a massive talent pool to work with, and put them to the grinder to see who was elite. I'm not sure if this is true, but Clarence might argue that a country and its society would devote more effort and resources into weightlifting, and that is the reason for success. Nowadays, since the standard isn't as high, and the incentive isn't as great, the circumstances might just not be as good for creating elite athletes. This could be an explanation for why lifts aren't as high anymore, despite certain athletes being untested.
I doubt Clarence was making a simple statement about just "working harder." That would kind of seem to imply that a gifted natural lifter could "work harder" and get close to enhanced athlete that's "lazy," in this view. Clarence is a very hard worker, so I don't think he has any illusions about that stuff.
It all boils down to money. Steroids work and they work extremely well. And the winners get paid extremely well. But, at some point it becomes a drug race, not an athlete race. Who has the best drugs is the winner, not the person who trained the hardest. It becomes a chemistry competition not a weightlifting competition.
It already is a drug race and will always be because there is a limited amount of genetic selection and good training you can do as a country
After that it just becomes cheating in PEDs, weightcutting and possibly bribes
You're literally describing the state of the sport at this moment
Even with drugs genetics play an enormous factor. It is still an athlete race. Some people can't handle gear.
People want heroes. They want to see records broke and obstacles overcome. The only way to continually move sport forward is drug innovation and technological innovation.
"Folks need heroes, chief..."
Anyone involved in this game knows anabolics are an absolute 💯 must. No question.
Is Clarence right?
Yes.
No elite athlete is "clean". There are a lot of different things, used these days, which are not traceble with the current WADA tech. As far as Seb's opinion goes - I would say he is being a bit hypocrate. No elite athlete, regardless of the sport, is clean. With all the current records - the amount of preassure a body must take to cope with that is not possible to be achieved withoiut some help from "outside". On top of that these days WADA is more politycal organ rather than sports one.
Dane, what's your TRT dose bro?
I lived in eastern Europe during the 80s and saw "B" level lifters train at a sports complex and yet haven't seen anything remotly close here in the US gyms. No benches or machines just platforms and squat racks.
Of course people trained harder in the 70s and 80s! Watch the Rocky and Karate Kid montages
Good to hear from someone on the front lines.
I think the problem is not so much with the state of anti doping technology. Leaps and bounds have been made in that regard in the last 15 years.
The problem is with the enforcement of anti doping. From what I recall Russia and Jamaica have faced sanctions or at least come under scrutiny, other countries like North Korea and Iran shold be tossed.
Saw the title.. I had to comment right way. I'm a natural 100% and I agree with Clarence. It's not conversional, the belief should accord to individual's choice of taking gear or not. Same with having two different people, one earns more money and other earns less. Then telling to the one who earns more needs to lower the income to become equal to person who earns less. Anti-doping process is illogical, period. Humans are here to maximize our potential mustering the most out of our genes. "I take the gear" is considered taboo to general weightlifting community. Clarence accelerates this issue to the front of weightlifting universe, things involving taking gear is common nowadays. He's basically saying, "Hey.. the sports became political in the interest of having athlete on stage or not." Anti-doping is political of sports.
Great stuff but it's Seb not "Zeb" lol
Doping should be illegal in non doping competitions!
I don't think the act of cheating then them coming back to win makes them more likeable, IMO you see someone get pinged for using PEDs then they come back a year later put 20kg on their total and test positive, it just tells me they've gotten better at cheating
Dane, Seb and Clarence.
The Holy Trinity. Safety first.
Agree with the lot of you and yeah…
on a scale of 1:10,
6.9 being a fail test score.
Doctors, coaches and players will figure out “the way” to use and pass with 7.0 test.
At the time of the competitive event.
☘️🏋🏻♂️🙏🏻
Thanks for sharing.
Just a smaller point, Clarence said almost all Americans. If you go to his Patreon, he doesn’t believe CJ Cummings is natural.
In the interest of public health, athlete potential, and exploratory drugs to prevent diseases and epidemics the only right answer is to eliminate anti-doping. It would also provide better public education on the risks and benefits of taking drugs, rather than them being run by absolute idiots as they are currently who could not care less about your well being. As a society we need to stop creating stigmas - it is exactly what creates division and separation.
21:50
Is it possible that 80s athletes DID in fact train harder, but only because the heavier drug use bolstered recovery?
Still, a poor point for Clarence to make.
i dont think its that poor of an argument, yes ofc they trained harder because of the heavy drug use but coaches also didnt give a shit about the wellbeing of an athlete. burning 100 guys to the ground by volume and drugs just to find 1 person that could take it.
Steroids were legal in the 80s.
Well yes but no. When you have a communist country that makes lifting your job, they automatically had selected the genetic elite. Every athlete they had were the 1in a million genetic freak.
While athletes in weightlifting use, there's nothing to suggest that they don't anymore. All it takes is some research and boom you have an untestable compound due to a single modification in the chemical structure cough cough China.
It's like a dirty little secret in the Olympics at this point. Being open and honest would allow for better blood work tests to be run that can allow the athlete to take PEDs under medical supervision and proper PCT. PEDs could also help with injury rehab and prehab in many cases, as certain peptides increase tendon strength and could prevent tears or rips. 80% of the Olympics weightlifting team uses and will continue to use, being open and honest about it just levels the playing field. There's also the constant argument that if we allow them to take drugs then they will take me and risk their health further, but that argument ignores the concept of diminishing returns and the fact that we could legally research for sager PEDa rather than getting them from an Under Ground lab that's mixed with God knows what. I've heard stories of people getting "test powder" and got a sample tested and it was creatine. People were going to inject actual creatine. Legality is a matter of safety, making drugs legal has made them safer in every instance.
They trained much harder. And there was a group of talented lifters, more talented than now. Yes the training did not consider the health of the athletes and just destroyed them, leaving only the best left. This isn’t how oly lifting is done in most countries now. Fella in this video kinda lost his shit on that one
there has never been more drug abuse in america than at the current time. Almost 60% of the regular gym goers are on shit. And if they are, then you better bet your life the pros also are
In this debate, scientific advancements including the dev and use of PEDs usually beats any enforcement. The labs are always innovating and we've seen previously unknown drugs discovered years later. That said, its not say a drug use in weightlifting is 100% guarantee to a medal. A drugged lifter can be beat by a more technically skilled competitor like a Lu.
This is a constant struggle and I can see why Clarence would take his stance. There needs to be check and balance which you reference to weapons inspectors come to mind. If its opened up, at least we would know what they (competitor countries/athletes) would be on. Undisclosure of certain drugs would be punished. Not sure if thats how the world of doping control should go, but thats one way it could.
*a drugged lifter can be beaten by a more techincally skilled lifter who is also on gear. Please, please, please dont tell me you think Lu is natural lmao
The curious thing about doping that people rarely discussed from an observation standpoint is that, why is it fair that those with the best genetics (obviously combined with training, starting training young etc) are the only ones allowed to win? In a meritocracy we want to reward those that work the hardest. If those ungifted in the genetics department could dope to the tested levels of the most gifted in the sport, then we are truly seeing those who have worked the hardest. Not those born with the highest genetic potential and natural test levels.
only someone taking steroids would say anti-doping is hurting weightlifting.......... if you want to see who the strongest human is than use no drugs.......that is true human strength........ if you want to see what the best drugs to use to make you stronger than use drugs......if your not competeing who cares what you take......
play stupid with drugs and get stupid prizes. now your whole sport is obsolete. Had the chance to clean it up and they didn't
Went to college and was on track team with her. What's sad is she would have won anyway.
You say testing is done all the time like that matters in the world of designer drugs.
I understand that you eventually have to take something but I’d really want to see totally natural weightlifting competition
Wait how does the analogy work about nuclear missiles when all the biggest players have nuclear weapons and many have also resigned from the treaties of downshifting them?
I'm not sure if bringing up very different sports individuals to compare to weightlifting is a solid argument. I have trouble comparing if they have the same qualities regarding for example doping effects, I don't know and I'm not comfortable bridging that gap multiple times as a counter-argument against doping in weightlifting. Some people who know/use PEDs have said that the effects are often exaggerated and that there's a significant difference, but smaller than people are willing to admit though.
Is it guaranteed that athletes x and y aren't taking some of the designer stuff Clarence was mentioning despite being tested all the time? I don't really know the mechanics of doping so I'm not sure if they all work the same way and just show up for less time or aren't recognized in the tests. Or is the Dr. Greg Nuckols argument on Stronger by Science stronger, that when the athletes competed in Russia, the best method to pass tests in their eyes was for FSB agents to swap samples through a hole in the wall. That if that's the best option in a country like Russia, they really have trouble passing tests without resorting to money and corruption through the ranks to avoid doping tests.
Great breakdown of these argumentations, especially I was happy about critique on Clarence's arguments, because I hadn't heard too good counter-arguments against his points that acknowledge the current situation and what he really said, but from this video I got a few. I'm on Clarence's side on the conclusions in the end, that anti-doping is not working. I'm not saying doping tests aren't working, I don't know enough about that and seems like they many times are if you get legit samples and are allowed to perform the tests by their plans. However falling to the same opinion on this doesn't mean that I prefer PED sports. I would love sports to be PED free. For the glory, for the dreams, for the romanticism. I do recognize that genetics still play a big part on who becomes the best of the best, PEDs or not, but at least you wouldn't have to use them to play on even field. Even though your arguments imply that some natural athletes can compete on equal footing. You also proposed some rather simple and effective changes. Or simple and effective on paper, tearing down and rebuilding a structure like that might not be as straight-forward and easy as it sounds.
Is that an Aesop Rock shirt?
4:48 not to mention the csi shows that everyone’s moms were watching and you’d see the classic episode of someone roid raging 😂
This is perfect. Seb is coming from a kind of never using sups. Clarence speaks from a more common sense mentality.
Mr Dane is right. The more you regulate the process the bettter it can be.
Clamrence is right. Use dope or don’t use dope. Still gotta put in the work. That’s like making people butcher a figh with a spoon cause that’s just how you want it
Hey Dane, do you think former sprinter Maurice Greene was on the gas? He was only like 170lb at the Sydney 2000 Olympics.
How about Taner Sagir? He sure didn't look like he was on anything with his baby face, full head of hair and lack of acne.
Google “Maurice Greene Memo Heredia”. Heredia testified under oath that Maurice Greene paid him 10k for PED’s. I don’t see why he would make it up under oath if it wasn’t true.
@@StuartGilham But that was at the end of Greene's career. There's no evidence that he was using anything up until 2001 and he was at his best from 1997 - 2001.
@@gothops2632 I guess it’s possible he was clean in his prime. That said if he had a mind to use PED’s I would think he wouldn’t risk it at the end of his career.
Maybe he was desperate for money and needed a guy result but then according to the court records he was forking out quite a bit for the PED’s.
@@StuartGilham If I'm not mistaken, it was HGH and IGF-1 he was buying from Heredia, which would not have helped his sprinting performance, but just increase his body weight. This is exactly what happened and his final race where he could only manage 10.7 was the wake up call that it was time to hang up his spikes.
People today definitely train hard for sure, but compared to the 80s Bulgarian system. Nope. That was a life style, not a training regiment
lets have a beer and a pizza and watch some 300kg snatches and 400kg clean and jerks in the 85 kg weight class!wouldnt that be FUNtastic ? as a World class couch potato i think i can have an opinion !!
Excellent video.
is there such a thing as increasing blood volume from frequent maybe even daily sauna use?
Clarence is plain wrong. I have a background in track and field and basketball and I have always been Natty . My cousins who was a bodybuilder was a juicehead and passed away at age 41.
Stupid arguement. Drugs may be "sprinkled" among some athletes now, but the spectators do not see that. Allow them, the spectators will go away. Majority of spectators do not support. Take spectators away, sponsors go away, Take sponsors away, money goes away. The only ones who want drugs in sport, and the narcissists, and the drug dealers.
I am against PED in the Olympics, because countries administer PED to minors and under develop children.
dude I'm really considering steroids soon. I think I'll cut down from 83 kg, to 73 kg. Height of 5'10 btw. And then record all my main lifts at a natural level. Then proceed to steroid usage. I'm now at the advanced training level. At least for my lifts. 190KG deadlift, 155KG squat, 105KG bench press, 115 kg pull up. 55KG 3rm overhead press. Trained since September 2018. Only started deadlifts and squats 6 months in at the start. Then properish form from about the 1st year onwards. Forms are pretty perfect now. Lifts were on hold for a while during lockdown period btw. Still did bench press and pull ups when I can, motivation certainly died during this period since no access to barbell.
Mate, you haven’t even come close to your natural peak. You can hit way better numbers natty. I know loads of guys who are smaller than you in kg, and are hitting way harder numbers. Make sure your diet is precision and sleep is perfect….. of course train your ass off
those numbers aren’t advanced by any stretch of the measure, more like early intermediate. advanced lifters have to be training for atleast 7 ish years, if you’ve only trained for 1-2 years you’re a beginner, 3-6 intermediate
What we really want to see is full doped Olympics
I see both sides of the argument, however, I don't think the right decision is making something legal because people are going to cheat regardless. If you want to compete you sign up to see who is the best under a certain set of rules and standards. If you don't like those rules then do not compete, go do your PEDs and be a regular lifter. Interesting topic for debate and as always I enjoyed your point of view.
so it's possible to take testosterone safely?
Why is it cheating? Those athletes train as hard, maybe even harder, they're probably more talented as well. Now, why not use technologies we have such as those drugs to treat injuries and keep athletes physically healthier. I understand that bodybuilding level consumption is counterproductive, but if they want to ruin their health for temporary achievements, so be it
Right🎉 people have more tools today and knowledge but them in a little something they going to beat world records by 29% lol ...
They all are taking but less and shorter periods t.: the games remains : do not take is a joke : do not get caught ❤
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What red jacket is that 🇨🇦?
Yep 💪
Stan Maddox? my coach?
Yes he is right
all this level playing field crap but kids take Adderall in school and perform much better than they otherwise would so how is that different
Exactly. It’s never a level playing field. If everyone was natty there’s genetics and some people will always be better no matter what
Tremendous video my dude I think you got it right.
nah, he is shit
What they need to do is find the body weight that is ideal for their height, any increase would result in disqualification. Let them take whatever, but if their weight increased that would result in disqualification.
Just because the Chinese lifters are taking more gold medals isn’t indicative of doping. If your speculation is based just on them winning…I reject that. Now, I will say that PED’s are available otc here (I live in the PRC) however, that also doesn’t mean that their teams are doping. They get their asses handed to them in other power sports. They have a fantastic weightlifting program and coach.
i think there needs to be some sort of anti doping organization. i also think that any athlete caught using should be banned for life
Is this satire?
i just think to get drug testing to a point where it would be effectiv in every country it would cost too much money
and this is all money that could go to the athletes
so basically u take mone from the athletes to test them so that they use drugs anyway so seems pretty pointlesd
just shows you that the world is full of cheaters
Clarence is like someone asking to allow cheating in exams because many people cheat
With online classes it makes a difference, 115% on a midterm 😏, obviously I didn’t cheat, those who got 60-70% obviously didn’t study enough 😤
You should watch his video. I get what you’re saying but it’s wrong in a couple ways.
@@hurhurhurhurhruhrurh what is wrong?
Yes it's called open book exams as is quite common
Except PEDs are considered cheating because it's against the rules, while looking at other people's papers is cheating because it isn't a team activity
Clarence lied for years about being natural. He’s doing this because he finally had to come clean.
how did he lie? he never claimed natty
he never claimed natty status, don't make shit up.
BS when did he lie saying he's a natty?