@@horner385 I think that's something of a point with him. Arcturus has no problem with monsters, as long as they're under his control. He has problems with things not being under his control.
I think there's an irony with P3 in that despite being a prestige all about your troops being super-expendable, it actually makes it easier to reach critical mass. The reason being that the Troopers you lose using P3, you probably would have lost without the prestige anyway - but the kills they get from mini-nuking the enemy depletes the enemy firepower that'll be coming in on the rest of your force, thereby reducing your losses overall. As opposed to regular Troopers, where a Trooper dying and dropping their weapon does little to prevent other Troopers dying, and often actually increases the likelihood of the remaining Troopers dying (since the total firepower of the force). Seems counterintuitive, but it's less that the Troopers with P3 are being used as suicide troops (nothing in the prestige, apart from the lack of medivacs, makes them more likely to die) and more that throwing their weapons just as they're about to die anyway gives them one last "screw you"... which might just save the conscript next to them.
@@MrRolnicek classically the frontal assault is more about pressing a position, which leads to increased loss of life, suicidal plans or not In a game where they are scripted to always succeed in getting to the foe? Absurdly stronk.
I know you didn't like Abathur 1, but I think you should try it out with a Queen build. They become very powerful with all the biomass due to sheer health values, life steal, energy regen and attack speed.
The problem is that the Queens, however more powerful they be via absorbing biomass, are especially vulnerable to the Protoss Robo and Terran Mech compositions, so it depends largely on the enemy compositions.
For P2 you can easily see from the top bar numbers that in the long run, Royal Guards generate far more imperial mandate than indoctrinated labourers/troopers(even with trooper/labourer imperial support), therefore with P2 it is more efficient to allocate points to Royal Guard imperial support instead. This also has the added benefit of allowing you to sacrifice labourers for repairing your mech units and for extra supply, and you can also pull your Imperial Witnesses away from mineral lines so you can build less of them for more supply, because as seen in your demo, supply is a limiting factor for how many Royal Guards you can have. Since you will end up with way too many minerals anyway you may as well sacrifice the labourers for extra supply. You will also want to have Imperial Intercessors to follow your army around so your Aegis Guards and Emperor's Shadows are kept healthy. You can also use them to load up slow units like Thors and boost your ground army around for mobility. In the late game when you have sac'd enough labourers and still have too much gas and too little supply for more Royal Guards, you should add a couple of Emperor's Shadows into your army and spam nuke silos. Alternatively you can spam EOs for Contaminated Strikes because you will have so much mandate.
Lezhi Lo I was averaging about 496 imperial mandate every 240 second on p3 with 4 witnesses and troopers. Now this is extremely excessive due to the cooldowns of top bars.
@@TheHawianer Yep that's pretty excessive indeed. However on P2 with the presence of Royal Guards, you should not be able to get as high trooper mandate as that because of the supply. On P2 with Royal Guard mandate mastery, you can reach 400 Royal Guard mandate with maxed out pure Royal Guard army, plus ~100 from labourers, which is about the same as the excessive amount you reached. But another advantage that Royal Guards provide is that their mandate generation does not rely on Witnesses, which makes it far more consistent and reliable, especially during pushes.
I'd love to see an abathur P2 build where you' d solo with no air, quick 3 brutas followed by a ton of roaches/ravagers/swarm hosts on a map like mist opportunities. Thanks so much for all the detailed guides!
Artanis P3 Arkship Commandant You don't need to shoot in a powerfield to spawn the archons. They just don't spawn if the shots are centered over structures. You can still get the damage down on the structures, it just has to be the edge touching the structure, not the center. I also find it best to be more selective with the shots. 1 shot+Archon will kill every opening wave I think. You can use the other 4 shots to finish taking out your gas rocks, although you should be able to take all three rocks with one round. It is also very effective to leapfrog the Archons. Get just in vision range of the force you want to take on, shoot one shot, wait for vision, then pick higher value targets for the next shots. I find they completely take the place of Shield Overcharge in most situations. Just put them down and let them tank/do damage while you send in your troops after them to clean up. I think you should try them out Chain of Ascension. You clear expo and first build Nexus with your first salvo, and then clear your partners with your second. Puts you on a very fast start to follow up with whatever unit composition the map calls for. The early game strength of this prestige is pretty insane while still being useful in late game for sniping down heavy damage dealers in the back.
Give P2 Mengsk mass BC a try. 1. Fast expand 2. Barebones tech: barracks, factory, 2x starport, fusion core. 3. Get witnesses for each mining base 4. Spam BCs. Lvl 3 BCs are insanely powerful with 3x SPLASH yamato per single cast. Any cloaked unit will be caught in the yamato splash. By the 12-15m mark you should have roughly 5-6 BCs with a few being lvl 3. Repair whenever low.
I agree with this strat. Had an ally who used it. I was covering early as Stukov and he just snowballed so well lategame with a full supply of BCs. Worked so well to annihialate anything
For the second prestige, not only does the exp gain actually help imperial mandate, as the rank of an RG unit is important, the *modified* supply of the unit is actually factored into the equation too. The second prestige gives way more imperial mandate from RG units than normal.
For P2 ya can go 2 worker saturation on minerals and forget the 2 supply line blimps and their fusion core upgrade, get royal guard support mastery as well. set up is much faster and can pump out RG in decent time. Mineral dump troopers not required and actually slow things down unless you have swann drones. Mastery 3 is a wash between strong early game or stronger everything else, depends on partner/mutation.
Fastest way (I believe) is either Void Thrashing on Brutal. The way I do (so I don't get bored AF from playing/grinding) is to do random missions on Brutal. As long as you're good / playing on a good commander, even on level 1 I can carry most mediocre/bad teammates.
@@lawlzerderp7136 on brutal? i believe very few commanders can do it, like abathur or dehaka, i'm playing void trashing on hard, but it's really slow(and i'm not that good to play in brutal)
Abathur essence hoarder: try mass muta (overseers allowed) on cradle of death and see if u can clear the ENTIRE map. Any ground combat units must be killed after use so mutas can use the biomass. Also Abathur tunneling horror: try vermillion problem and use deep tunnel to move around even with lava (i wish the prestige also included queens for heals...)
I have unlocked the prestiges on Mengsk but not really played them beyond mastery that much yet, I feel like you can get away with Aigis guard opener instead of witness, especially with early-game commanders like Dehaka, Tychus and Zagara to soak all of the exp, 3-5 rank 3 Aigis guards are huge powerhouses. Definitelly gonna test that.
need to fight bio? Earthsplitter! Mech? Earthsplitter! Air? Earthsplitter! Buy earthsplitter, and don't be annoyed by anyone. Even your workers won't complain!
So do your "scvs" in the soldier version also grant faster shooting speed on the artillery towers? The description sounds as if you only get the bonus if they are in worker-form?
How do u get up the chart that tells the dmg and other details at the very end?? If you use any 3rd party app, pls share me. I really wanna try it out.
I’m pretty sure you don’t need a blimp over your ESOs to get the imperial support. The conscripts just going into your ESOs gives you imperial support.
Why you don't play in Mutation? Because mutation's week it's very hard for Mengsk's or you? I hope you show us how to play for Mengks in week Mutation, and how trubble you see in game for Imperator)
Hey CtG, I have a question: Is there a reason you don't place your balloons under your allies expansion(s)? Something I noticed in the siege form of the balloons is to increase movement speed of units under the balloon, meaning faster mining speed (similar to the F.A.S.T. Stetelites) of units beneath it. The upgrade doesn't do much for this, but the speed increase is useful, and with the cheap cost of 100/100, I think it's rather useful to employ them on other commanders bases.
@@CtG-Games fair enough, though it is weird that the buff doesn't exist for full saturation, but wouldn't this mean the Stetelites at full saturation are worthless as well? I guess they occur earlier (instead of needing to build 3 structures, just a cool down), thus benefiting more. Still, learn something everyday
Not really. 3 workers/patch is full saturation. It doesn't matter how fast they go since the actual harvesting speed doesn't change. So the bottleneck of mineral patch availability doesn't move at all.
Hey guys, I'm new to this game, I was wondering, is it worth to keep ccop commanders in their default prestige configurations? For example, keeping Mengsk in his "Emperor of the Dominion" form, rather than switching him to either Toxic Tyrant, Merchant of Death or Principal Proletariat? That way, you won't get any advantages, but you won't get any disadvantages either.
Sorry, a very late reply here. These prestiges are the best if you have a certain playstyle and the "basic" prestige doesn't fully fit it. I usually like the basic, because the disadvantages of P1-P3 would mess with my playstyle. But I found Mengsk' ESOs insanely fun, so I went Toxic Tyrant. I didn't even use the ability I lost with that prestige, so it was no real loss at all.
You're welcome! :) Ah yes, I myself was hesitating between those two. If I don't like Toxic Tyrant in the long run, I'll definitely choose Merchant of Death. :)
I am greatly interested in more info on prestiges, but the format of these videos is not very appealing to me. Seeing a fully played game for each prestige just takes too long. My most favourite thing about these videos is the quick rundown you make at the end of the video. If you were to make a vid where you would just discuss the various prestiges and compared them to each other without the gameplay, I'd like to watch that. Also, tier lists are pretty hot on youtube now, so maybe you could try that too.
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The nerve of Mengsk not only allying with Kerrigan but also releasing the Zerg
For a man who likes to call Kerrigan a monster he sure does unleash a lot of them
@@horner385 I think that's something of a point with him. Arcturus has no problem with monsters, as long as they're under his control. He has problems with things not being under his control.
I mean, he did it before, there is even a quote when kerrigan uses imobilization wave, something on the lines of "since when can you do that?"
AH WILL ROOL DIS SECTAH OR SEE IT TOORND TO ASHAAAS
He's dead
Trooper on P3: "Ohh, come on man, it's not That Inhumane"
Enemy unit comp: Baneling Scourge
Trooper: "Ohh no....."
@Jesus Henrik Yea, have been watching on flixzone for since november myself :)
@Jesus Henrik Yup, I have been using flixzone for since november myself :D
@Jesus Henrik Definitely, have been watching on Flixzone for years myself =)
Banelings vs Banelings
No Vampires were hurt during the filming of this video.
I queued with CtG while he was leveling Mengsk's P1. It was chill.
I think there's an irony with P3 in that despite being a prestige all about your troops being super-expendable, it actually makes it easier to reach critical mass. The reason being that the Troopers you lose using P3, you probably would have lost without the prestige anyway - but the kills they get from mini-nuking the enemy depletes the enemy firepower that'll be coming in on the rest of your force, thereby reducing your losses overall. As opposed to regular Troopers, where a Trooper dying and dropping their weapon does little to prevent other Troopers dying, and often actually increases the likelihood of the remaining Troopers dying (since the total firepower of the force).
Seems counterintuitive, but it's less that the Troopers with P3 are being used as suicide troops (nothing in the prestige, apart from the lack of medivacs, makes them more likely to die) and more that throwing their weapons just as they're about to die anyway gives them one last "screw you"... which might just save the conscript next to them.
It’s more like a sacrifice for the dominion, a heroic act :’)
Of course this literal Kamikaze strategy works to reduce losses overall. It has been used in real life too.
Also, since it's cheaper to get their weapon upgrades you can build up the firepower of your trooper army faster.
@@MrRolnicek classically the frontal assault is more about pressing a position, which leads to increased loss of life, suicidal plans or not
In a game where they are scripted to always succeed in getting to the foe? Absurdly stronk.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 That's not quite what I was referring to but okay.
I know you didn't like Abathur 1, but I think you should try it out with a Queen build. They become very powerful with all the biomass due to sheer health values, life steal, energy regen and attack speed.
I actually really liked P1 with Ravagers. Just constant biles falling on the enemy all the time.
@@shadowarchon7964 yeah, the ravager build is also pretty fun in P1 as is Muta spam (if only muta spam wasn't so damn gas expensive)
The problem is that the Queens, however more powerful they be via absorbing biomass, are especially vulnerable to the Protoss Robo and Terran Mech compositions, so it depends largely on the enemy compositions.
@@entarochrist3927 Throw some Vipers in and you're good to go. Their cloud is OP
For P2 you can easily see from the top bar numbers that in the long run, Royal Guards generate far more imperial mandate than indoctrinated labourers/troopers(even with trooper/labourer imperial support), therefore with P2 it is more efficient to allocate points to Royal Guard imperial support instead.
This also has the added benefit of allowing you to sacrifice labourers for repairing your mech units and for extra supply, and you can also pull your Imperial Witnesses away from mineral lines so you can build less of them for more supply, because as seen in your demo, supply is a limiting factor for how many Royal Guards you can have. Since you will end up with way too many minerals anyway you may as well sacrifice the labourers for extra supply.
You will also want to have Imperial Intercessors to follow your army around so your Aegis Guards and Emperor's Shadows are kept healthy. You can also use them to load up slow units like Thors and boost your ground army around for mobility.
In the late game when you have sac'd enough labourers and still have too much gas and too little supply for more Royal Guards, you should add a couple of Emperor's Shadows into your army and spam nuke silos. Alternatively you can spam EOs for Contaminated Strikes because you will have so much mandate.
Lezhi Lo I was averaging about 496 imperial mandate every 240 second on p3 with 4 witnesses and troopers. Now this is extremely excessive due to the cooldowns of top bars.
@@TheHawianer Yep that's pretty excessive indeed. However on P2 with the presence of Royal Guards, you should not be able to get as high trooper mandate as that because of the supply. On P2 with Royal Guard mandate mastery, you can reach 400 Royal Guard mandate with maxed out pure Royal Guard army, plus ~100 from labourers, which is about the same as the excessive amount you reached.
But another advantage that Royal Guards provide is that their mandate generation does not rely on Witnesses, which makes it far more consistent and reliable, especially during pushes.
Lezhi Lo I agree. I do prefer p2 because ghost op af
I'd love to see an abathur P2 build where you' d solo with no air, quick 3 brutas followed by a ton of roaches/ravagers/swarm hosts on a map like mist opportunities. Thanks so much for all the detailed guides!
Artanis P3 Arkship Commandant
You don't need to shoot in a powerfield to spawn the archons. They just don't spawn if the shots are centered over structures. You can still get the damage down on the structures, it just has to be the edge touching the structure, not the center. I also find it best to be more selective with the shots. 1 shot+Archon will kill every opening wave I think. You can use the other 4 shots to finish taking out your gas rocks, although you should be able to take all three rocks with one round. It is also very effective to leapfrog the Archons. Get just in vision range of the force you want to take on, shoot one shot, wait for vision, then pick higher value targets for the next shots. I find they completely take the place of Shield Overcharge in most situations. Just put them down and let them tank/do damage while you send in your troops after them to clean up. I think you should try them out Chain of Ascension. You clear expo and first build Nexus with your first salvo, and then clear your partners with your second. Puts you on a very fast start to follow up with whatever unit composition the map calls for. The early game strength of this prestige is pretty insane while still being useful in late game for sniping down heavy damage dealers in the back.
Why so long
You needed 7 sentences but you had like 15 to 18 I lost count it was so long
@@craftedincursusknight2580 why be mad when he is dropping useful knowledge
Give P2 Mengsk mass BC a try.
1. Fast expand
2. Barebones tech: barracks, factory, 2x starport, fusion core.
3. Get witnesses for each mining base
4. Spam BCs.
Lvl 3 BCs are insanely powerful with 3x SPLASH yamato per single cast. Any cloaked unit will be caught in the yamato splash.
By the 12-15m mark you should have roughly 5-6 BCs with a few being lvl 3. Repair whenever low.
I agree with this strat. Had an ally who used it.
I was covering early as Stukov and he just snowballed so well lategame with a full supply of BCs. Worked so well to annihialate anything
I still want to see lvl3 flying siege tanks raining destruction.
Shame they can only shoot up.
The most effective royal guards are the two bio units. The BC is good but not as much as the other two.
I can't wait for prestige talents of the Random-Dice boy
Thanks for the vids dude
For the second prestige, not only does the exp gain actually help imperial mandate, as the rank of an RG unit is important, the *modified* supply of the unit is actually factored into the equation too. The second prestige gives way more imperial mandate from RG units than normal.
Thanks for this now the have the Idea on how I should play the prestige.
For P2 ya can go 2 worker saturation on minerals and forget the 2 supply line blimps and their fusion core upgrade, get royal guard support mastery as well. set up is much faster and can pump out RG in decent time. Mineral dump troopers not required and actually slow things down unless you have swann drones. Mastery 3 is a wash between strong early game or stronger everything else, depends on partner/mutation.
Are you winning son?
Thanks for the video! :D
question: what are the best way to level up without a friend (not solo, but with a random partner)? playing on lower difficults? specific maps? how?
Fastest way (I believe) is either Void Thrashing on Brutal.
The way I do (so I don't get bored AF from playing/grinding) is to do random missions on Brutal. As long as you're good / playing on a good commander, even on level 1 I can carry most mediocre/bad teammates.
@@lawlzerderp7136 on brutal? i believe very few commanders can do it, like abathur or dehaka, i'm playing void trashing on hard, but it's really slow(and i'm not that good to play in brutal)
I tested mengsk p3 lvl1 and my teammate leave cuz i was lvl1 and i won easy small nukes broken
Abathur essence hoarder: try mass muta (overseers allowed) on cradle of death and see if u can clear the ENTIRE map. Any ground combat units must be killed after use so mutas can use the biomass.
Also Abathur tunneling horror: try vermillion problem and use deep tunnel to move around even with lava (i wish the prestige also included queens for heals...)
Can you try P2 with the Royal Guard Mastery points? It may not be efficient as you say, but I wanna see how high you can crank up that number
I've goten up to 350 something I had like 12 points in the Royal guard mandate mastery
I have unlocked the prestiges on Mengsk but not really played them beyond mastery that much yet, I feel like you can get away with Aigis guard opener instead of witness, especially with early-game commanders like Dehaka, Tychus and Zagara to soak all of the exp, 3-5 rank 3 Aigis guards are huge powerhouses.
Definitelly gonna test that.
need to fight bio? Earthsplitter! Mech? Earthsplitter! Air? Earthsplitter!
Buy earthsplitter, and don't be annoyed by anyone. Even your workers won't complain!
17:09 Viking: they'll never know
If only mengsk didin't have the zerg.....
The P3 doesn't really have a downside.
By the nature of the prestige, even if the medivacs were available you wouldn't build them anyway.
P1 IS THE BEST BRO
So do your "scvs" in the soldier version also grant faster shooting speed on the artillery towers? The description sounds as if you only get the bonus if they are in worker-form?
*The hero Viking from the HoTS campaign appears*
Una pregunta sobre el prestigio 3: La autodestrucción de las armas, ¿solo afecta a las unidades terrestres o también a las aéreas? uwu, gracias.
How do u get up the chart that tells the dmg and other details at the very end??
If you use any 3rd party app, pls share me. I really wanna try it out.
Please tell me how to make an additional statistics window like in the video.
How much unmanned earthsplitter do you recommend for full effect of Contaniment strike?
I’m pretty sure you don’t need a blimp over your ESOs to get the imperial support. The conscripts just going into your ESOs gives you imperial support.
How do you think p1 for mengsk would be teamed up with p1 karax? Super attack speed earthshaker?
CtG after nuking marines who probably have families waiting for them:
-he he he
Why you don't play in Mutation? Because mutation's week it's very hard for Mengsk's or you? I hope you show us how to play for Mengks in week Mutation, and how trubble you see in game for Imperator)
13:25: Mengsk moment
Anyone know what video where Cain showed off the cannon strat?
Where do u take the time to lvl him up 4 Times in a row
Oh, no! The last prestige video! :-(
Kerrigan P3 is fixed! Try mass mutalisks on maybe chain of ascension!
Hey CtG, I have a question: Is there a reason you don't place your balloons under your allies expansion(s)? Something I noticed in the siege form of the balloons is to increase movement speed of units under the balloon, meaning faster mining speed (similar to the F.A.S.T. Stetelites) of units beneath it. The upgrade doesn't do much for this, but the speed increase is useful, and with the cheap cost of 100/100, I think it's rather useful to employ them on other commanders bases.
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@@CtG-Games fair enough, though it is weird that the buff doesn't exist for full saturation, but wouldn't this mean the Stetelites at full saturation are worthless as well? I guess they occur earlier (instead of needing to build 3 structures, just a cool down), thus benefiting more.
Still, learn something everyday
Not really. 3 workers/patch is full saturation. It doesn't matter how fast they go since the actual harvesting speed doesn't change. So the bottleneck of mineral patch availability doesn't move at all.
Dude what is your secret, all commanders already maxed + 1000 ascension!?
What are the vampires he keeps saying?
what is that statistic screen at the end?
Strange mechanic with com strike and attack wave, if you fear wave, it will stay in place and never come to you
Hey guys, I'm new to this game, I was wondering, is it worth to keep ccop commanders in their default prestige configurations? For example, keeping Mengsk in his "Emperor of the Dominion" form, rather than switching him to either Toxic Tyrant, Merchant of Death or Principal Proletariat? That way, you won't get any advantages, but you won't get any disadvantages either.
Sorry, a very late reply here. These prestiges are the best if you have a certain playstyle and the "basic" prestige doesn't fully fit it. I usually like the basic, because the disadvantages of P1-P3 would mess with my playstyle. But I found Mengsk' ESOs insanely fun, so I went Toxic Tyrant. I didn't even use the ability I lost with that prestige, so it was no real loss at all.
@@Ed87 Oh, I see, thanks. I've actually been trying them all out, and for me, the Merchant of Death Prestige is undoubtedly the best one :D
You're welcome! :) Ah yes, I myself was hesitating between those two. If I don't like Toxic Tyrant in the long run, I'll definitely choose Merchant of Death. :)
WTFF .. so op
All I'm looking for is a coop with the I Def prestige for both Swann and karax on dead of night
Or temple of the past
5:07 WEEEeeeeeee
Light Trotsky
I’m
Surprised you don’t make more command centres when you have 1k minerals
P3 is actually more humane than other
I am greatly interested in more info on prestiges, but the format of these videos is not very appealing to me. Seeing a fully played game for each prestige just takes too long. My most favourite thing about these videos is the quick rundown you make at the end of the video.
If you were to make a vid where you would just discuss the various prestiges and compared them to each other without the gameplay, I'd like to watch that. Also, tier lists are pretty hot on youtube now, so maybe you could try that too.
I don't mind the video length, but yes - give us a tier list!!! I love tier lists!
P3 is as inhumane as the sea
Hehehe, Sky Furies. What if one out of every 100 had a chance to spawn with a starfox character look alike as a unit icon. Do a barrel roll!
What are the “vampires”?? 😂
P3 he changed into Fouad from Family Guy
I have visions of P3 against part and parcel
Infinite nukes, the ballius and hybrids with stupid aoe abilities to be nuked to oblivion.
I wonder, is Ctg left handed? His hotkeys kinda tell me he his
He uses "the core" which flips the side of the keyboard he uses.
Use Artanis with P3 here so they have a moment to realize they are going to die muahahahahahahahhaha
RIP headphones users
so much dramatization for a brutal game... you could just build fast and take the enemies base to have more gas and minerals, in 14 minutes