What Is Religious Pluralism and Why Is It False?
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Are all religions legitimate roads to God? The God of Scripture has always been narrow. Matthew 7:13 says, "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it." Salvation is through Jesus Christ alone.
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What you are assuming is that religious pluralism means that all religions are right, not equally right. Most of these contradictions can be explained either by the idea that neither belief is right or that one side may be right but the other may be right in a different field. (In the car example for instance the second person was right about how the car was white and the other person was right about how the car was a utility vehicle)
I think he was trying to use that analogy to explain how the other analogy is wrong. In other words, religions should not be viewed as PARTS of the car, but each one is a car itself.
The car metaphor falls apart because it assumes that at least one person actually owns and has seen the whole car and can therefore correct everyone else.
I think you misunderstand. Noone sees the whole car/elephant, we are all blind. If the metaphor were to be fine tuned to fit the narrative, the king would also be blind but be able to feel how all the parts mentioned by others are connected.
Would it not be beneficial for this discussion if STR made a video responding to more philosophically sophisticated theories of religious pluralism? John Hick's pluralistic hypothesis, for example, could be defended rather efficiently against any of the objections raised in this video. To deepen the discussion perhaps this could be a way forward? Only a suggestion :)
Many ways to debate this discussion. We can't see the big picture because many faiths are about practice. Unless you practice all other faiths to the end how can you say you understand the faith? You may think you understand it from an intellectual perspective but there is also the experience that each faith provides.
Is it possible to experience all faiths then? Can one not assess their veracity without embracing them all?
@@captainunload People like Sri Ramakrishna would say yes.
@@MrPeaceGuy54
What do you say?
@@captainunload Based upon my limited knowledge and experiences, I would be inclined to agree. As a Hindu, the compassion of Lord Christ and Buddha doesn't seem too divergent to me. If I remember correctly, there is a famous politician in the United States, known as Mr Vivek Ramaswamy, who has repeatedly highlighted the value of Christianity, even though he himself is a Hindu. Of course, there is always much to learn.
May you have a wonderful day! Namaste and love from India! 🙏🇮🇳☮️☮️
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4:27 - Hey ... How about the ATHEISTS ? They did NOT take the word of a blind person to present what an elephant is, ever ! There are people who do not take anything on faith ... And these people have NO say in your story ? Why ...
Religious pluralism is not everyone being right. Religious pluralism is not formally recognizing one religion over another. Try to find a successful society with a religious government. lmfao.
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@@HearGodsWordHe said successful
@@Inspiredkey.poetry he did, and they have been.
This video is best example why bigots shouldn’t run government .
Good video. Religious pluralism is silly.
India 🇮🇳 is motherland of many religions
There is NO ONLY ONE TRUE FAITH. Each religion CLAIMS its own religion to be true based on its subjective presuppositions. Each religion is equally wrong.
How do you know that?
@@captainunload Very good and reasonable question!
Logical consequences: because not even one religion has objective tools to allow to verify its claims. And those unverifiable claims are only based on very subjective "revelations" from the world/realities which also are not possible to verify.
@@bafimto
Then shouldn't you have said that each religion is equally unverifiable and not equally wrong? Something can be true and yet unverifiable, or true and not common knowledge to all. In saying that all religions are equally wrong, you are making a claim to knowledge which you cannot possibly verify yourself.
@@captainunload "In saying that all religions are equally wrong, you are making a claim to knowledge which you cannot possibly verify yourself."
I don't make this kind of claim, because every religion makes such a claim that all other religions are wrong!
Each religion is wrong for all other religions (not only unverifiable), and, therefore, each and every religion is wrong.
The same is with the condemnation: each religion claims that only that one religion is true and everybody who willingly does not accept that particular religion will be condemned for ever! You have your own religion, but you are condemned by thousands of different religions (or denominations). Ergo: everybody will finally go to hell.
Welcome to the club!
@@bafimto
What? That didn't make any sense at all.
First, I never advocated any particular religion.
Second, just because someone makes a claim, that doesn't mean its true. However, just because you can't verify it, that doesn't make it false either. For example, I have a white lamp in my living room. That is something impossible for you to verify right now, yet it is true.
Ultimately, speaking from a stand-point of logic, all religions may be false, or one may be true. But, all of them cannot be correct, because they say different things. An analogy would be that you come home from work and find a broken window. Ten different neighbors give you ten completely different accounts of how it happened. You might assume they were all lying or that one of them was telling you the correct story, but no sane person would believe that all of the stories were all true at the same time. That is why Religious Pluralism is the most irrational position to take on the subject of religion.
This is precisely why we have less religious tolerance. He is speaking on so many assumptions and biases. If you watch closely, he fails to even name other religions and repeats Muslim twice. Just shows how much EXPLORATION he has done into Religion.
Jesus is the son of God ( just like we all are the sons of God)
*Christian ✅
Allah is the one and only god. We are still his sons.(we come from Allah)
*Islam.✅
Buddha has methods to relieve suffering and samsara.
Follow if it speaks to you.
Good is irrelevant because it's pure speculation.
*Buddhism ✅
Brahman (god) is the ultimate reality of which we all burst forth from and go back to.
*Hinduism ✅
... And so on it goes
Ultimately they are saying the same thing.. you have failed to debunk anything in my humble opinion.
What ever path you are on move forward with love and enthusiasm.. seek and you shall find!
Don't waste time trying to prove anyone wrong!
Much love.
Just open the eyes of your heart and there the truth awaits you.
Feelings ? Feelings and/or personal perception is invalid as evidence in every situations .
@@niniv2706 Then you’ll walk around blind for life. Hope the best for you.
GOD is ONE
Thanks for helping reaffirm my faith in Religious pleurisy.
I would wager my life saving that I am more well read amongst religion than the speaker (at least in the context ALL religion and not Chirstianituy only).
Why do the exact doctrines of Islam and Christianity have to align perfectly for them to both be viable paths of serving the same God? The exact remembrance of the "myths" are irrelevant and change with time, translation, understanding.
When Muslims pray to Allah, they are praying to the God of Isreal, the same GOD of the Bible. Why would a merciful and loving God forsake someone for worshipping him but getting some historical details a little mixed up. It's just pure divisiveness and evil to think that way
I think if you were to reread the words of Jesus without
There is no god jesus is a myth adopted from older pagan myths.
Not the same God though. If you were as well read as you say you are then you'd know that.
@@HearGodsWord 🤣 All gods are imaginary so it doesn't matter.
@@Brian1Gravesapparently, it doesn't matter that you were wrong. Okay.
@@HearGodsWord 🤣 Prove it.
Jesus of nazareth !!! That is the one who said that you only come to the father through him . Pardon me but I will take the word of Jesus over yours . God bless .
Im a pluralist and I don't claim it see the whole truth
And the story of the blind man and the elephant explained why different views can be contradictory by itself.
If half your car is blue and half your car is white then It can appear as either, same as the elephant being both snake-like and wall-like.
Plus I can mention contradictions within your religion as well
This is terrible reasoning. The religion of Christianity should not be conflated with "Truth." Also, God can't be reduced to our "concept" of God. This presentation is saturated with too many straw man fallacies. For one, Buddhism does NOT claim to be a path to God. Stop trying to "be right" and love people. That's how people can be identified as true Christians - by their Love.
This video wasnt what I thought it would be about. The elephant metaphor shows that God is a larger lie that can't be understood without understanding as many religions as possible. The more you know about different religions and the indoctrination and programming they create, the more clear the God lie becomes. As they say, study one religion it'll take you a life time. Study two and it'll take you five minutes.
And it's super ironic that he's accusing others of thinking that Christians don't believe because they are ignorant and if they just knew.........because that is literally Christians modus operandi. As if the world hasn't heard the story of redemption at least two thousand times in their life.
The analogy of the elephant would only work if all religions only talked about one aspect of God e.g. Christians would only say God is merciful, Muslims would only say that God is powerful, Jews would only assert that God is a Guide. However, this is not the case. What the blind men say is not necessarily a contradiction since an animal consisting of many parts can have more properties, the whole animal therefore has snakelike qualities, wall-like properties etc. That way none of them has to be wrong. However, since all religions have viewpoints of all aspects of God only one of them can be right. This would better translate to all of the blind men touching the leg of the elephant and then make contradictory remarks about them, one would say it is cylindrical, another would say it has claws etc. Since this would be a more accurate analogy you can know that either only one of them is right or that they would all be wrong, since all remarks exclude the other remark from being true.
This guy doesn't even know the concept of religious pluralism. Perfect example of a straw-man fallacy.
What is religious pluralism, then?
1. There is no God. 2. It is Chistians (and other uniformed religions) that believe in this fantasy. 3. Of course everyone (all religions) has (have) their view however logical or illogical.
That’s what I thought. I still don’t know what pluralism is but I don’t think it’s this.
The problems with pluralism I see:
1. their God, is not Christian God: Not a PARTICULAR Person but a UNIVERSAL, general CONCEPT, an empty set, a context without content, a category, class, a definition, an idea not a being.
2. what they mean by "truth" is not what "Christians" mean by it. They claim, Christian view is false, simply b/c other views exist. That's a false logic. It so may be other views do exist & contradict Christian views, but are not on that account false. Why not? B/c truth is the correspondence between a statement & a fact(reality), NOT a correspondence between statement and another statement. Just b/c 2 statements contradict one another, it doesn't follow that they are false, since they don't supposed to be consistent with one another but with facts to be true. The relation between a (Christian)statement & another (muslim) statement is not truth, like their argument presumes it is. Bill Clinton's ultimate statement that he did have sex with that woman contradicts his original statement that he did not have sex with her, but that doesn't follow that neither of his statements is true. One on his statement is NOT true, not b/c it contradicts another statement, but b/c it contradicts facts. His other statement, even though it contradicts some other statement, corresponds to facts & is thereby true
You're wrong, debate me, I will school you.
You are arrogant. You completely missed the point he was making with the elephant. The story is told from that point of view to fit a particular culture, so it is not to say the Rajah has the truth, it can also be changed to fit yours had the bible not been misinterpreted... We only communicate through metaphors as creatures, so very little is what it is, so we use myths. God is the most misunderstood metaphor
Talk about the elephant in the room! Honestly though, I believe we are all blind spiritually untill we choose to look with our eyes and hear with our ears...
And then, what should you see and hear? On a radio station in Holland there is a annual game called: "guess the sound." The game is only succesful because a lot of people guess it wrong till someone gets it right. Also, how would you explain optical illusions. The point being: How will relying on our senses really help us if our senses can be tricked. Clear, valid and coherent reasoning on the other hand can be shared by capable minds and would therefore be more reliable for spiritual reasoning to be of any use at all.
throughout the whole video all I could only think about was how this guy would look if he had hair
He has limited God to single idea! The omnipresent divine being has been boxed into a single book/single religion/single way/ single faith. Wouldn't want to touch this man's idea of faith with a 10 foot pole. Completely hilarious!!!!
you are hilarious
Terrible arguments.