Which Versions of the First 3 Mana Games Should You Play? - The Collection of Mana Port Review
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Thank you to Square for providing a free review copy of the Collection of Mana! This is a review of the Collection of Mana & the various ports of the 3 games. Trials of Mana will be given a full-length port review of its own upon the release of it's HD remaster. In the mean time, here's all of the versions available of Final Fantasy Adventure and Secret of Mana. All gameplay of Final Fantasy Adventure, Secret of Mana and Trials of Mana is from the Collection of Mana EXCEPT for the fan-translation footage.
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0:00 - Intro
1:03 - Collection Review
3:41 - Final Fantasy Adventure
8:26 - Secret of Mana
13:08 - Trials of Mana Primer
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You disregarded the biggest change to secret of mana's remake. The magic system. It's actually worthwhile now to cast spells on non-boss enemies and level up your magic without inn grinding. It was inncredibly rewarding casting stat ups and downs during regular encounters to level your magic and then restoring your MP from leveling up.
This feature alone makes the remake better than the original. I grew up with the original, renting it every weekend from a game store until we got super lucky and found it for cheap at a pawn shop. A lot of childhood memories with it. But I'd still rather play the remake now, much as I prefer the aesthetics of the original. The gameplay improvements were just too huge to ignore.
Appreciate this feedback and the anecdote. I pinned this for now so people can see. This is def something I've overlooked & this kinda thing is why I wanna give Trials of Mana more focus in a future video; so these mechanic overhauls don't go over my head
Too bad it costs 40 dollars.💸
I have big problems with the voice acting and the art direction of the remake. It feels like they rushed through some critical design points.
This is the first time I've heard someone speak positively of the remake, and it makes me excited to eventually play my copy....once I finish the original again on Collection of Mana.
Absolutely disgraceful bullshit. Not only that it destroys balancing and makes everything worse, no even IF it was better (which it obviously isn't) it is so many other flaws, just one thing that's better doesn't compensate the hundreds of issues!
Very well made video. I'm super excited for the physical release of Collection Of Mana. Preordered my copy already.
Wow! You were extremely comprehensive and unbiased. I really appreciate that you broke down the pros and cons of each one. Especially pointing out the hitstun in secret of mana. Thank you so much !!
I have very fond memories of emulating Secret of Mana & the fan-translated Seiken Densetsu 3 as a kid, so this was a joy to watch.
Thanks for putting in the time and effort creating it!
Thank you so much for sticking to facts and being so clear with all the information you present.
Great video!
Sword of Mana needs more love.
There's too much hate towards it...
It's one of the most beautiful GBA games... and it's art style is gorgeous.
Thank you for these kind of videos, they're always handy and informative. I only played Mana on DS. But I've always wanted to try the originals, so glad to see them officially released on the West.
The Collection of Mana on Switch is the obvious answer. Got my physical copy preordered!
Well just getting the three games that were originally those, but I am getting the GBA Remake, the SNES game version, and Trials of Mana remake on Nintendo Switch...
So kinda the same, but way different...
That is why I didn't pick up the Collection of Mana...
@@rcshaggy The GBA version is not a remake but a reimagining. The remake is Adventures of Mana.
Hey there. I completely agree with you. Also the SoM music choice (at the beginning of the video and of the SoM part itself) was great 👍🏼
Btw they shoulda took the time and put more effort into Secret of Mana remake as they are into Seiken densetsu 3.. SOM is my number one fave kid since i had it when i was a kid, they shoulda done more with it.
It's a real shame they never polished it like it deserved.
Secret of Mana OST is just one of the best out there in existence. Yes, comparing it to music IN GENERAL, not just video games.
I love these vids.Thank you so much for making these videos Ik they they are hard to do.
I am so hype for the Trials of Mana remake. I really hope it does well, because it was an EXCELLENT game that many people missed out on, because it came out so late in the SNES life cycle.
i was blown away when I played SD3 for the first time.
It was only available through emulation out side of Japan. So it never actually came out on the snes, but only the super famicon
I hope it does well, so they consider remaking Legend of Mana, & actually making a new game in the series
I dabbled with the Mana games, but I am pre-order excited for Trials of Mana. That's rare for me, especially for a moderately mid-to-low profile game!
I'm playing it from Steam and it's very good
Really want a trials sequel now. Maybe 1000 years later with descendants of og cast and maybe 6player party and one coherent story
awesome, super-detailed video. very much appreciated.
After the video i went to amazon to purchase a physical copy but before hitting the purchase button i remembered that i already own it and its unopened in my shelf, well time to play this amazing trilogy
Wow thans for making this video! I didn’t know that there was een 3D version of Trials of Mana coming out. I love secret of mana and trials of mana. Can’t wait and I hope its also coming out on Steam someday
Very informative and well made. I did not know about various versions of this game. I still have to buy Adventures of Mana for the Vita. I cant wait to get the collection physically at the end of the month.
Awesome video! Great review!
Sword of Mana was awesome. Got me into the series and i wont forget finding secret of mana on the Wii shop and really getting into the series
Secret of Mana holds a very special place in my heart and I've wanted to play it again sometime so this was a great video thanks!
Actually, I believe the Trials of Mana developers were stating that they didn't realize until well into development that there was a fan translation, and were surprised at what they called an overwhelming overseas response.
Fantastic video Austin, thank you!
i love the opening music of your video brings back so much memory 😌😌😌😌
> Trials of Mana is so loved by the west, it got a full and amazing fan translation in 2000 that made everyone love the game.
> Producer: We want to change the game in the remake so it's accepted by the west.
EXCUSE ME?
Thank you for the video!
Helpful. Thank you.
I love these kind of videos :)
"The Legend" is and always has been my fave song from the Snes Secret of Mana, also its interesting you posted this, a really cute neighbor just literally GAVE me her copy of Secret of mana for the Snes cuz i lost mine! what a babe eh :P
so cute 😭♥️
Need the Legend of Mana remake now.
If only as a AAA title, it's perfect and doesn't need a crappy 3D remake
Done.
its coming 2022
@@jargontaka isn't it summer 2021???
About that, wait for June 24th. It's a HD remaster though.
I have my same Sword of Mana cart from when I was a kid (it's the only __ of Mana game I've played) I have no idea it was a reimagining of Final Fantasy The Adventure. I learned something today!
I don't know about gameplay, but the android version is freaking ugly visually. Same with final fantasy 5 and 6 vs the GBA ones.
The 3D version is the worst.
You mean the gba ones are worse ?
@@trixniisama android version is worse
@@masa5300 I was talking about FF5 and 6.
I played and finished sword of mana on my old Gameboy advanced and honestly was the most fun I had in a while
I love your videos man
My personal favorite in the Mana series is Legend of Mana, and I really hope that it will eventually be made available on modern platforms, or possibly remade in the same beautiful style as Trials of Mana was. The new Trials of Mana should serve as a shining example to all developers of how you do a good remake.
*TRUTHH*
I have some good news for you mate
Seiken Densetsu 3 was and still is probably my favorite ARPG ever for it's story gameplay and coop mechanics
Really lookin forward to the remake though I'd love it if they'd add online co-op somehow
You should go over the different versions of the first six Final Fantasy games too when you get a chance. There are SO many of them and a lot of drastic differences too, especially where FF3 and 4 are concerned with their NDS remakes.
If you do this, I highly recommend checking out these extremely detailed explanations of the translations of FFIV and VI, that go a long way to disprove some misconceptions about the accuracy of various translations:
legendsoflocalization.com/final-fantasy-iv/
legendsoflocalization.com/which-final-fantasy-iv-translation-should-you-play/
legendsoflocalization.com/final-fantasy-vi/
As well as this interview with the localizer of FFVI Advance and FFIV DS:
archive.rpgamer.com/features/insidegaming/tslatteryint.html
They're long reads but with such story focused games I think it's important to consider the accuracy of the translations!
ShadowFenix217 FF1 and FF2 - PSP or GBA
FF3 - PSP or PC
FF4 - SNES (with Namingway edition patch) or DS or PSP versions
FF5 - GBA (with sound restoration patch)
FF6 - GBA (with sound and color restoration patches, and general violence patch and rage fix patch)
You can find these patches on romhacking.net
That is a cool video. I bought SECRET OF MANA on PS4 a few months ago and I love it. You tell me, soon there will bei TRAILS OF MANA on PS4? All right I will buy it :)
Having never played the original Secret of Mana, I played the remake on the Vita. It was one of my least favorite Platinum trophy runs because of the frame rate dips. And the Vita was prone to crashes.
Omg true, playing on vita made me wanna finish the game faster. Fuck this dead port
So how does the trials of mana translation compare to the seiken densetsu 3 fan translation?
I'm a year late but I just played Trials of Mana all the way through. I played the Seiken Densetsu 3 pc emulator when I was in elementary school, around 2000 I think. I LOVED that game and played it several times throughout my life, the last time being when I was 23. Now I'm 31 and I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed Trials of Mana. I turned off the voice acting (thank God they gave me the option) and I switched between the original soundtrack and the remake. Both good, but the original gets nostalgia points. While I loved the pixel art style of the original, I felt the new art style is reminiscent of the old styles feeling, and they captured the experience well. They did improve the leveling mechanics, and the fighting is more dressed up. Class changes mean a little more too, and the UI is smoother.
All in all, I'd say both the original (emulator version) and the remake are very fun.
There's also a feature phone remake of Seiken Densetsu 1 only released in Japan
The best Versions for the first three Mana-games are for me Sword of Mana (the gba-remake of Final Fantasy Adventure, Mystic Quest whatever), the Snes-original of Secret of Mana and the Remake of Trials of Mana.
Sword of Mana is more like the 16-bit Games of the Series. We had more text yes, but more Story with some very good scenes. The Battlesystem is the update of Trials of Mana. It doesn´t allow you to spam like in Secret of Mana, but you are not so helpless by using of magic, like Trials of Mana. Oh and there some other Scenes if you play the Girl.
Secret of Mana for snes is still the perfect version on the original console and the Switch. You have a good 16-bit graphic with charme and the Soundtrack is awesome. Yeah you can spam the magic and the bosses are with good Training at the end very easy, but hey the other points are good.
This point is only for me: the german Translation is so funny with some good refenreces of the german modern culture of the second half of the 20th century, thanks Claude Moyse.
Trials of Mana the remake has the better battlesystem than the original, so sorry. I want to like the original, but it is for me to slow and by the using of magic you are helpless and lose the HP which you healed. By the graphic is the snes-version better. The Soundtrack is by both great!
@11:05-.-What are the odds that you would use the songs that was used in Homestuck as an example? (Good song btw, didn’t know it wasn’t original to Homestuck.)
The artwork in Sword of mana was so beautiful. The best version in my opinion
Sword of mana is my absolute favorite throughout the whole mana series, SD3 being not far behind
Any news on the trials of mana comparison?
Can’t wait to play Seiken Densetsu remake, one of my facourite games. And really hope that Square continues doing other remakes. I’d love to see a FF vi remake.
The only thing they messed up in that game was the English voice acting, but everything else was stellar!
Secret of Mana wasn't re-released on Wii U VC, only Wii (though it's backwards compatible, of course).
Maybe things were different in the Us or Japan though? But We didn't get it in Europe and were stuck with the 50Hz, slower version on Wii VC sadly.
For Adventures of Mana and Secret of Mana, the remake’s English translation is more faithful to the Japanese text than the one seen in Collection of Mana. Hence, if you want to read the dialogue as you play, the remake is the way to go. The characters work up a conversation when using an inn in the Secret or Mana. If Randi is alone in the inn at Gaia’s Navel, Luka can talk to him from afar.
There was also a phone remake of Seiken Densetsu released in the mid 2000s that looked like a 16 bit game
I do have Secret of Mana on PS4. I did have fun playing it and will try to get more trophies, but I do have some issues with it. Do want a Switch and that collection
i finished the android version of secret of mana. in your video it seems the flammie landing has a low framerate and on my galaxy s6+ it was perfectly smooth. also i noted you spoke of having a controller but the game works great with the thumb. the shortcut you can prepare on the top right of the screen make the battles smoother than in the original. i really don't see how I could prefer the super nes version which is less good graphically (unless i use some action replay code to break the game).
If only Secret of Mana Remake added the missing Glove Orb and missing Axe Orb to keep pace with the rest of the weapons/forging, I would’ve bought it 🙁
Ruby Diadem dude
There was a Japan-only 16-bit remaster of Adventures of Mana on mobile phones in the 2000s. The Android version of Secret of Mana also differs from the SNES original. Those versions could’ve been included in Collection of Mana.
Another issue with the PS4 version of Secret of Mana is in coop mode. You can't shortcut magic but you can in single player only, that didn't make much sense to me.
Do you know if they fixed the defense to 0 bug in the Switch Mana collecion? thanks
None of the games in the switch collection have any bug fixes. Trials has a few big ones that are still there as well. Crits don't work, so dex is useless minus one character that uses it for some spells, shields don't do anything, etc.
The biggest issue in the SOM remake is that you don't have the option to drop out/drop in any time in multiplayer. I also ask myself why they didn't at least add a mini map to the flying sequences. The gameplay itself is zoomed in too much and can get really confusing with the new perspective.
I played the fan translation of trials of mana. I really liked the game. It was fun.
Playing Adventure of Mana on my PC via Bluestacks is a great way to play it :)
I am just getting the SNES version and why I didn't get the Mana Collection for Switch, is because I got the other ones...
Like the GBA remake called Sword of Mana, and got Trials of Mana on Nintendo Switch...
So you can say I have a good Mana Trilogy of games to play...
The correct answer is the Rom version, on the emulating platform of your choice, with a nice CRT filter, patched with Queue's hack compilation.
i have secret of mana on ps4. i bought it because of legend of mana. i love that game!
Sword of Mana happens to be one of my favorite games. It's such an amazing re-imagining this simple story into a more deep and emotional journey. I love the aesthetics, the colors, the gloominess, and even the soundtrack uses the limitations of the GBA soundchip for the atmosphere nicely. It's really on par with Metroid: Zero Mission as far as great GBA remakes go.
I hope the remastered soundtrack in Trials of Mana winds up being as good as the original - Seiken Densetsu III is in the running for best music of any SNES game, and it has to compete with greats like Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono Trigger.
Is the mobile or vita versions worth buying to experience the game if I own the collection of mana?
Is the Secret of Mana 2018 3D remake's script taken from the mobile port or have they actually updated it a third time?
It's a whole new remake
I actually am a big defender of the steam ports of the final fantasy snes games, as they actually have the superior monster spritework which i really like, and i think the character sprites are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.
5:00 song?
I just got the collection of mana for switch
Does anyone have any comments about the Trials of Mana translation and the fan translation? Just wondering which one I should play.
Have you seen this comparison? czcams.com/video/AV4ymvpgM_4/video.html
serene.velocity Trials of mana snes rom was recently dumped. Play it on Snes9x.
I hope they'll do this for Final Fantasy 1-6 next as well as the Chrono Series.
Just here, waiting for Legend of Mana on Switch...
I want Terranigma and Secret of Evermore on the Switch!
I played secret of Mana on an snes emulator back in the day, and it wasn't very appealing to me. The battle system was nice but the art style remembered Chrono trigger too much so I just passed. Now with the 3D remake it looks fantastic I'll definitely try it.
I didn't know Trials of Mana was Seiken Densetsu 3, I think I still have a fan-translated Seiken Densetsu 3 rom somewhere in my PC or my backup disks
Collection of mana games, can be played multiplayer with 3 players? It must be local or can be online?
I feel like I'm the only one that still enjoyed the ps4 SoM....probably cause of my love and appreciation for the original....I did notice some things here and there like the removal of the cannon travel animation....strange how it became a "loading" screen....
Which of the three versions of the first _Mana_ game would you recommend?
Trials of Mana better support 3-player online coop now that Switch Lite is out... imagine partying with friends when everyone has their own screen!!! :3
Do you mean Trials of Mana remake? They already said it’s going to single player only.
Single player only. Sorry, man.
Trials of Mana on the Collection only supports 2 player unfortunately. And like others have said, The remake is announced to be single player only.
@@JRDad Does the collection for Secret of Mana support 3 players?
AkaiAzul sure does.
I'm Mixed between the Secret of Mana remake or the original SNES version
I am surprised you never mentioned Legend of Mana for the PS1.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the text width fan hack of the SNES version of Secret. Part of what made the original translation of Secret so bad was that the amount of text was incredibly truncated. The fan hack gives the game a better font and an "updated translation" with much more detail and nuance than the original.
However it's since been admitted that the so-called translation was straight made-up and just a rewritten version of the SNES translation with no actual basis on the Japanese version.
I think for 99% of people it's not a very viable alternative because of that, but if (like me) you just can't stand how simplistic the SNES translation is, but also prefer the SNES graphics to the point you wouldn't enjoy the remake, it's worth at least a consideration.
I’d rather have multiple new versions of Square Enix’s old games, as I want everyone to have multiple options to play the game, rather than just an emulated port or pixel remaster. A port or pixel remaster with an arranged soundtrack is fine. Final Fantasy I-VI got a pixel remaster, but at least it got an arranged soundtrack with live band and orchestra. I’d like to see a future version of Final Fantasy I-VI with voice acting, and with either hi-resolution (4K) 2D graphics, HD-2D (Octopath style) graphics, or preferably full 3D Unreal Engine 5 graphics (while retaining turn-based combat), or maybe two or all of the above.
Took me over two decades to revisit and beat secret of mana. I felt an undeniable satisfaction. The switch collection of mana is optimal bc of the insta-save feature.
You metioned the main FF games weren't in Europe before FF7, but I remember seeing advertisements fot the FF snes games in the early 90's Netherlands.
I really wish Adventures of Mana was playable on PC in some way.
It would be nice to have secret of mana remakes & adventures of mana remastered collection (ps vita versions) on the the Nintendo Switch
I gave up on the SoM Remake (After being maximum hype, its probably my favorite flawed SNES game) when I encountered the same bug at the water temple dragon fight where he just spams magic with no rest frames. Also, I encountered a weird bug where I died but was still able to move around and was basically softlocked. Disappointing for sure.
Personally, I like the font on the mobile versions.
Finally someone properly pronounces Mana
i'm a huge fan of original secret of mana and from looks i definitly prefer the original one, but still wanna give the 3d remake a try
and coming from the future, i definitly recommend the 3D remake of trials of mana, very well made!
and since i haven't tried the first ones listed in this vid, i probably know what to do next :)
Los efectos de cámara que parece que han empleado en el remake de trials of mana, parece el correcto, para los entornos 3d que han hecho, a diferencia del remake de secret of mana, que sólo parece que usaron modelados 3d y se ve sin vida el juego. A todo esto me quedo con los originales aún, pero aún está por probar el trials of mana que vendrá y esperando un remake del remake de sword of mana xd
How come you didn’t cover the 2006 remake Mobile phone remake of Final Fantasy Adventure? That’s the version I’m most interested in playing.
I'm going to opt for the PS4 remake. Those nit pics dont outweigh those quality of life improvements IMO.
My favorite GB game was FF Adventure. I was really excited to hear it was being remade for the GBA and rushed out to get it. I couldn't even recognize it. It was a good game. But it wasnt FFA.
Maybe there should be “Re-Collection of Mana”, which would include the three versions of Adventures of Mana (original GB version, Japanese mobile phone version, and 3D version), three versions of Secret of Mana (original SNES version, mobile phone version, and 3D version), and two versions of Trials of Mana (1995 SNES version and 2020 3D version).
I hope Adventures of Mana gets an upgraded PS4 version. Then we could have a 3D Collection of Mana
What a good idea the 3 remakes on one collection!
I second that.
As long as they don't mess up Meridian Child we're good
That new Trials of Mana is gonna set the gold standard for how old JRPGs should be remade. Can you imagine if Final Fantasy 1 to 6 got that treatment?
Can someone explain what he means by shimmering?
Shimmering is like when the pixels don't match up with the resolution. Imagine a bunch of thin lines, but because of aliasing the lines themselves flicker. Hard to explain, easy to notice.