114. Rule Scenarios - Free ball situations
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- As a follow up on the subject of Rule Scenarios, Barry talks further about the free ball situation. He also talks about the match referee and what happens when there is no official referee. To close, Barry poses a 'free ball' question which is answered in a following video.
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Thank you for going back to the old intro music. :-) Also great video as always!
147 likes, don't want to mess it up
Great vid, Barry.
I definitely feel a lot of the more complex rules of Snooker require a good practical demonstration, sometimes
Thank you!
I would like to wish you and your camera man a merry Christmas and Happy new year, and thanks for your hard work in making your videos.
I will be working on a few of your videos over the holidays.
all the best.
Charles. Many thanks for the well wishes, compliments of the season to you as well.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach sir is it necessary that free ball will apply only on last red or colours. Can it be apply when there are mote than one red. Plz reply sir. I would be very grateful
It should be a free ball. There is no specific point within the D that you are able to hit BOTH edges of the red. Even though you have the choice of being able to hit each extreme by positioning the cue ball, it is a free ball as both extremes cannot be hit from a single position.
Are you sure? ;-)
Only right reasoning
It’s both extremes of the cue ball, not the red, so no free ball.
Thanks about clearing up 3:38 a similar situation caused a debate about if being angled was a free ball or not in my local snooker club
No free ball. A free ball is called prior to the next player placing the cue ball back in the D. As such, it must first be determined if the object ball can be hit from _somewhere_ in the D. The red can be struck full face from a specific spot in the D. Placing the cue ball directly below the red would allow both sides of the red to be hit relative to the cue ball position. The next player may or may not choose to play from that spot.
Another cracking video Barry, so clear & and easy to understand. I'm 46 & been playing since I was 10 & still not sure of all the rules. I t looks like a free ball but obviously there must be a catch. Merry Xmas.
Robert. All will be revealed. Thanks for the well wishes, all the best for Christmas and the New Year.
Robert Connell I’m 52 started playing pool at 12 and snooker at 18. This question has me scratching my head.
Great video!!
Happy Christmas!!
Happy Christmaas Barry and thanks for all the CZcams tuition. Without reading any answers my answer is No it is not a free ball. In the same way it wouldn be a free ball if 4 reds were lined up and 2 colours at each end. Or if the reds were still clustered in the V formation. You are able to articulate it better than me though!.
Aidan. Many thanks for the well wishes. please see the next video for the answer to the poser.
Nice video again, thanks...btw: your comment about „when no ref is available, the best way to approach it...“is not only the best way, but also the rule (of course you know this already😉)...maybe just for other fans who don’t: rule 3.19 c: When there is no referee, such as in a social game, the opposing player will be regarded as such for the purpose of these Rules.
John. Thanks for reminding me.
Love these videos!
Glad you like them!
Hi Barry, thank you for clarifying the situation in 2:50 that I've asked about, appreciated!
kompot. My pleasure.
The rule was revised in 2019, and according to the 2019 version, the senario at 3:33 IS NOW A FREE BALL.
Nim. I would hate to put something on the channel that is incorrect especially when it is about the rules of the game. I am not aware of any change in the rule that says you cannot be snookered by a cushion, therefore a free ball cannot be given. Can you please quote the revised rule that states that this is now a free ball.
Section 2 Rule 17e states the cueball cannot be snookered by a cushion ...that's it. So you pretend it isn't there, thus, in your scenario, you are snookered by the blue.....so free ball
@@antonyskiller2620 I interpret that to mean that cushions obstructing cannot be considered as being snookered.
Another excellent video, wonderful knowledge, thank you Sir for everything.
My best wishes for Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you Sir, Kyren and Selina!!!!!
Not a Free Ball.
As the cue ball can be placed a hair away from the red ball causing the extreme cuts on the ball to be achievable.
i would think a free ball, you cannot hit either side of the red, being snookered is when you can't access both sides of the ball, no? in which case an extreme cut on either side would be impossible.
If the red is within the D, then you can place the cue ball next to it, and as a result can hit both sides, even though the "sides" are not close to 180° apart on the red.
In the second situation, I have also commented on another video. I have read that when on a free ball, all the colours count as reds, not just the nominated ball. You only need to hit the nominated free ball first but can pot any combination of reds or colours, with each ball potted being awarded 1 point. The official rules are not clear on this matter, it appears it comes down to individual tournament rules to prohibit or allow such a shot, but as far as I can tell they never do. Also as far as I can tell no one has ever tried or tested it in a professional tournament, but like I said the standard rules don't actually prohibit such a shot.
Nicholas. Please see my answer below.
Have a good Christmas and happy new year barry
The One- Armed Snooker Player. Many thanks for that and the same to you.
Free Ball.
Happy Christmas Barry :)
Music. Many thanks, and the same to you.
No Barry, in the 1995 updated rulebook, there's no angled so the blue is the ball which snookered the red in 3:44
That’s what I thought. Barry, can you re- clarify please?
Hello Sir!
There are only last 4 balls left on the table brown to black and a foul is committed by my opponent and it's a free ball I choose black as my free ball and I commit a foul as well what would be the score point 4 or 7 ....
In simple words i am playing black as brown and I committed a foul as well so what would be the foul .....4 or 7
@fayy. That would be four points.
About your query at the close: you cannot hit both sides of the red so yes you may have a free ball. I just heard earlier in this video that you're snookered if you cannot hit both sides of the ball. Started learning the rules 10 minutes ago. Thank you.
... but I could be mistaken.
RJM. You cannot have a free ball if the cushion prevents you from hitting both sides of a ball on. The query at the close is not a free ball because you can place the cue ball very close to the object ball and then hit both extremities, difficult to get your head around this one sometimes but nevertheless it is true.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach I wondered which way the rule went with the sandwiched red. The bread balls do limit how far the cue ball can be offset and still strike the red first but since the direction of the red is limited by it's sandwich partners, the bread balls, it all makes perfect sense after all.
Well done videos sir and thank you for your reply, a welcome and very nice touch.
I've seen a few comments (e.g. Mike Tait's) debating whether it is possible to hit extreme edges of the red ball when the cue ball is placed directly behind it. It is worth mentioning that a different issue should be settled first before proceeding to the geometrical argument, and that question is:
Why should the player who was rewarded a ball-in-hand put the cue ball directly behind the red? This goes against the *ball-in-hand* rule that gives the player the freedom to place the cue ball wherever they please in the "D area"... Interesting situation.
Because a player isn't forced to make a specific shot. The ball in hand rule only stipulates the cue ball must be played from the D.
You can place the ball anywhere within the D, but you cannot claim a freeball by placing it in a position where it is snookered, when a possible spot within the D exists where no snooker occurs. Otherwise when you have ball in hand, if there was another colour ball inside the D, you could place the cue ball behind it and claim a free ball (if no reds are on from that position).
As long as there is any position within the D that you can place the cue ball to not have a snooker, then no free ball is awarded.
I suggest if you want confirmation of the correct answer, watch Barry Stark's video "112.Rule Scenarios - Touching and free ball" and you find the answer to be "A FREE BALL".
3:42 If white balls can see only half of the red Then the blue balls come to cover the red leaves. Is this a foul?
Hi Barry, at 2:18 seconds if you nominate black as the free ball.
And if yellow goes along with red, isn't that a foul of 7 points instead of 4, can you please clarify.
As per my knowledge the foul is of the same number of points as the ball you nominate.
Please clarify...
Regards.
P.S: Big Fan of your videos.
Simrandeep. Black has been nominated as the free ball and becomes a red so the foul from it costs four points. In the video there is no foul until the yellow goes in, if the yellow had been the blue and the blue was potted along with the red then the foul would be five points, if the yellow was the pink the foul would be six points etc.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thank you so much for clarification. I can't believe I've been playing snooker for so many years with the wrong rules.
Thanks again for clarification. Appreciate it.
Here he is a scenario, down to the final red ball opponent got free ball and he chose the pink colour as free ball . Now my question is can he then again take pink as the colour in his next shot ?
Fukrey. Yes, The pink ball has become a red he can then take the pink again as his colour.
i have a question. my opponent was snookered near a blue shooting for a red. he nicks the blue first but then the cue ball hits the black. is that a 5 or a 7 point penalty?
I suppose if you put the white ball directly behind the red, you could hit both edges of the red ball?
You would hit the other ball first. So free ball
And for the free ball question - no free ball. If you place the cue ball directly behind the red and touching the red, all you can hit is the red - you can't even see the blue and yellow.
If you placed the cue ball by hand and touched the red it would be a foul.
Thanks for try to help me and everyone rly thanks you❤❤❤
Happy to help
Barry in the beginning of this video what if the yellow ball was substituted with the PINK ball instead if I committed the foul whilst hitting the free ball (black nominated) onto the pink then red and both red and pink goes in, I understand I do not get any points BUT does my opponent now get 6 points instead of 4 as the pink is valued as such???
jonson. You are quite right, the foul is because the pink has gone in so your opponent is awarded six points.
What about the new rules (2019), where Section 2 Rule 17 (e) had been modified? The official explanatory says, "The Rule where the curved face of the cushion took priority over a ball not on in determining whether the cue-ball was snookered or not has been removed. The cue-ball can only be snookered by balls that are not on." In the video from 3:26, is the cue-ball snookered by the blue ball according to the new rules?
Kristof. Have not got my copy of the new rules yet, I must make the effort to get one.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach It is available here as well as the explanatory: www.worldsnooker.com/new-wpbsa-rulebook-published/ Probably, you could make a new video if you find some interesting changes.
Explanatory notes states that Rule 17 e
means:
Section 2 Rule 17 - Snookered The Rule where the curved face of the cushion took priority over a ball not on in determining whether the cue-ball was snookered or not has been removed. The cue-ball can only be snookered by balls that are not on.
yes the last one is a free ball as long as you can't see the object ball full from all the directions
In the last scenario you should not be allowed a free ball, because there is an absolute position 90 degrees from where you can play the ball without any of the adjacent balls being in the way. Furthermore if they are touching they should not be allowed to move without a foul.
Daniel. It is not a problem with the other balls moving providing the red is struck first. The only time an object ball must not move is when it is touching the cue ball.
Hi Barry, if there is a red on the table but it is hanging over the pocket and I am awarded a free ball because it is blocked by let’s say the yellow, am I allowed to nominate “red” when asked by the referee? As any other nominated colour would be a foul if I make contact with the red first in order to pot it.
Many thanks.
I'd assume when picking a free ball, it would be okay to actually miss the free ball and hit the ball / a ball the free ball was supposed to represent. So, hitting a (/the last) red first instead of the nominated free ball would be perfectly okay (even if unlikely). If you're on yellow, you could miss a nominated free ball so long as you hit the actual obscured yellow instead. Etc etc.
@@Neil_MALTHUS You must hit the nominated ball first
Please explain this article from DAZN news, particularly how the obvious extra 4 points were acquired . (as it seems)
Has anyone scored more than a 147 break in professional snooker?
In October 2004, during qualifying for the UK Championship, Jamie Burnett became the first and only player to score a break in excess of 147 in tournament play, when he scored 148 against Leo Fernandez. He potted the brown as a free ball, then sunk the brown again followed by the 15 reds with 12 blacks, two pinks and a blue, then the six colours.
Can I assume that if you had that first scenario without the red ball blocking the hole, that you could just pot the black for 7 points?
In the first scenario if he just potted the black, it would be worth 1 point. The black counts as a red if it's a free ball with reds still on the table.
Since the I cannot hit the extreme sides of the red without first hitting get a colour then I should have a free ball. Look at the rack of reds and that will show that the colours are in the way.
I think?!
I believe the three balls are within the D. If that is the case, then as a result you can place the cue ball very close to the red, which means you can (from that position) in effect hit both sides before hitting one of the colours.
Had a situation in a weekly comp match last week where I botched up and gave my opponent a free ball. However, he did not nominate a ball yet just played the brown. I was a mile in front so didn't worry too much about it at the time, although I think this is a foul shot on his part and not only that I should have been awarded seven. Am I correct?
Michael. You are correct on both counts.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thanks for the reply Barry. Will keep that in mind for the future 👍
shouldn't it be awarded 4 points?
Hi Barry, love the videos! My question refers to a variation of the situation you demonstrated at around 3.40 in the video. Would a free ball be awarded if both the red and the blue were further out from the cushion in such a way that the cushion obscured the left side of the red and the blue obscured the right side of the red?
Brendan. A free ball will be awarded if you cannot see both sides of the ball on, in your scenario you can discount the cushion but not the blue ball. The blue is stopping you hitting the right side so you will be awarded a free ball.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Cheers Barry
Hi Barry. Suppose I am in a free ball situation and can partially see a red. Could I for instance play the red to knock in the black if I nominated the black as the free ball? Thanks in advance.
No, you must hit the nominated ball first.
Hello barry, first of all, many thinks for all the game lessons and the efforts to let us improving our snooker level. I have a question, in a case of a free ball situation (basically all the colors becomes reds) i had a red in the pocket touching to the black ball (as a plant situation). Can i call "black ball" and play the plant?
Badii. Certainly, the black ball has become a red so yes you can use it to plant the red ball. One more thing is that if the black ball goes in as well you will receive two points and the black will be re-spotted. This is not the case when there are no reds left and you have a free ball. e.g. You have a free ball when the yellow is the ball on, you can plant the yellow by using the green/blue etc. but should both balls go in you will only receive two points and the other ball will be re-spotted.
Barry, at 3:14, isn't it the opposite? you either play the shot yourself from the resulting position, or ask the opponent to replay the same shot again. Please clarify.
Wicked. At 3:14 I talk about being angled after a foul. If a foul and a miss are called and the balls end up as shown the options are. 1/ Play the shot yourself. 2/ Ask you opponent to play the shot. 3/ Have the balls replaced and have your opponent play the shot again from the original position. You cannot have option three if a miss has not been called. ( Please note. A miss is not automatically called, that decision is down to the referee.)
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thank you Barry. I guess my confusion is more about the difference between a "Foul" and Foul and Miss" resulting in a snooker. 1/ In both cases the opponent gets a free ball. Is it correct? 2/ This also means that after a foul and miss you can get the balls replaced in both situations: getting snookered or angled. 3/ the difference between getting angled or snookered after a foul is that you can nominate another ball if you're snookered but not if you're angled. Does this makes sense?
Thanks for the free ball solutions. Another question if a red ball is the ball on. Can a free ball be awarded if there are two reds on the table . The first red is snookered by a colour ball, the second red is partially obscured by the first red. Is this a free ball?
trevor. A free ball cannot be given if a ball on is obscured by another ball that is on.
Another great video! Could you make a video on what professional players do to stay focused and alert during a day of play?
I find that morning time I'm focused and have way more accurate cueing than I do when I'm at the pub playing in the evening! Sometimes in the evening I find it hard to pocket a single ball, and yet earlier in the day it seem hard to miss pocketing balls,
What is the day in the life of Kyren at a tournement like? How many matches or frames does he play on a busy day? How does he stay focused from first to last?
Some Guy I would say it’s a free ball.
@@derekdavies5172 😂
Hi harry, in a situation where only the 6 colors are left on the table and a free ball is awarded and say for example the blue ball was potted, would you then get 2 points for the lowest point ball left on the table or would it be 5 points as usual for the blue?
jake. With only the 6 colours left on the Yellow would be the ball on, the free ball has been awarded and the player has nominated and potted the blue ball, he would be awarded two points, the blue would be re-spotted and the next shot must be at the yellow.
Actually, now I see a little problem. The target area at the object ball gets smaller when you spot the cue ball closer to it. This means, the "extreme edges" get closer to each other depending on the distance of the cue ball to the object ball.
Btw, that is related to the horizon problem in geometry, i.e. the question how far the horizon is from a certain altitude. If the player on is forced to place the cue ball on a spot that is not snookered, then there is a whole area close to the object ball where there is no snooker. Consequently, in that case there is no free ball.
However, the way the cue ball is spotted at about 06:10, there is no way to hit the extreme edges. That would be a free ball situation.
This isn't a problem of geometry.
This situation is Not a free ball. Trying to explain this scenario by saying the player can hit the extreme edges of the red is silly, since clearly from close behind the red the player CANNOT hit the extreme edges of the red.
So what's the better explanation? This:
A free ball is called when a ball that is NOT ON prevents the player from hitting the ball on. In the scenario in question, the player can place the cueball very close to the ball on, the red. From this position, they CANNOT see both sides of the red. However, neither of the colours (the balls Not On) is causing this obstruction. It is the red itself that is causing the obstruction. Hence, no free ball.
@@jordantrew147 No problem of geometry? You lost me right there.
@@GeorgeAlexanderOz in that this is a problem of misunderstanding the rule. The geometry in question isn't "can the player see the extreme edges of the red?". It's "are there colours obstructing the player from hitting the extreme edges of the red, from every position in the D". Of course geometry is relevant here, but if you're trying to establish the geometry of the first invalid question, you're on the wrong track. Hence this is primarily about understanding the nature of the rule, not the specifics of the geometry.
Once you understand the rule, the geometry is pretty self evident so there's not really any serious geometry analysis to be done. Clearly from directly behind the red neither colour is obstructing the cue ball.
Thanks for the helpful videos!
While reds being on table, you nominate and play black as a freeball and the cue ball goes in off, in this situation, how many points of foul would be awarded to the opponent (is it a 7 points or 4 points foul)?
wagas. The black becomes a red so the penalty is four points.
Thanks!
Kindly make a video on re spotting different colour balls when all spots are occupied
No free ball, you place the white close behind the red
What if only the colours were left, and say you were snookered on yellow, you use the green onto the yellow and it goes in and you get 2 points right but if the green goes in as well do you get 4 points?
Jalandhar. The yellow stays down but the green is re-spotted and you will receive two points only. I assume the snooker is the result of a foul by your opponent and you have nominated the green as your free ball.
No doubt you are correct and not me but I'm not sure I agree about it not being a free ball after being angled behind the cushion if the blue is also in the way. If a player was to somehow play a masse shot around the angle then the blue is still preventing the player hitting the red.
EBO. It is always the first obstacle that counts and in this case the first obstacle is the cushion where the player is angled.
For the last one I think is yes. How about the last scenario becomes the white is angled at the center pockets??
A foul is committed when last four balls left on the table (brown to black) then brown is snookered by black. If I nominated black as free ball and potted brown by planting with black will brown be respotted or It will be of the table?
venu. The brown is the ball on so it will stay off the table and the next ball on is the blue.
Hi Barry, Had an interesting situation and would appreciate your thought. I hope I can describe it clearly enough.
My opponent played a foul shot which resulted in the Yellow (next on ball) being snookered behind the green. (Free Ball - no problem) I nominated black, hit the black and the white ended up behind the black with the black between the white and yellow. The yellow could be seen full ball but one extreme edge was obscured by the black. This was claimed to be a foul on my part and hence a free ball to my opponent. My argument was that because the yellow could be seen full ball it was not snookered and therefore it should not be a foul. Was I right or wrong?
Andrew. No. I am sorry you are wrong, if any part of the ball is obscured it is a foul.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach and if after black was nominated, white brown black and yellow ended up in strait line?
what happens if you have a free ball. Let's say you nominated the brown as a red, but you miss the brown. (Can the ref call a foul and miss if you miss a free ball? ) And if the ref can call a miss, what are these options for the next player? Very unusual situation.
Free ball! You can hit the red fully in the middle, but you can't hit the red as thin as possible. The first criteria is to determine the 3 miss rule.
Can you please explain the 3 miss rule?
assuming the balls are directly in line i would expect it would be a free ball, although playing the red and leaving a snooker tight behind the blue seems like the shot to play either way imo
Very elaborately described. 👍
I dont understand why the dislikes
M M. Not to worry, its very difficult to please everyone.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach 👍sir very rightly said.
Sorry Barry, noob question,
if player A commits foul but no miss (say hit a red then cue ball went in pocket), can the opponent request the player A to continue play?
(i.e. is the MISS a deciding factor on whether a player need to continue play?)
The Punisher. You always have the option of requesting the player who has committed the foul to play again, irrespective of a miss being called.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Barry, thanks for replying, however, I'm asking about "Continue playing", not "Playing again", is your answer the same? Thanks.
The Punisher. Once a player commits a foul he loses the right to continue play and the right to play passes to his opponent. The answer is just the same.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Many thanks.
In the case of the red and the blue if the blue comes on the other side which means will be stoping me from hitting the red from the right side will it be a free ball taking in consideration that the left side is covered by the cushion ?
Taha. Yes it will still be a free ball, the rule is that you should be able to hit both sides after a foul. Since the blue is stopping you hitting one of those sides the cushion becomes irrelevant.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach and if there was no blue at all only the red and near to the cushion which means the cushion is covering one side and the other one is free is it a free ball ?
Thanks sir for the first explanation it's a rare case anyway
my understanding is that it´s not a free ball simply because the view onto the red is not obscured by any other ball
Fabian. It is not a free ball because when you place the cue ball very close to the red there is no obstruction stopping you from hitting the extremities of the red.
well learned something new before the new year so that´s good
at least i got the no free ball bit right
Hi Barry. Keep up the great work. My question is on the angled scenario. I thought there was a third option to have the white moved back to the D area/ball in hand?
I've never heard of that option.
Read it in Jimmy Whites masterclass book published 1988 pg 106. Maybe a now dropped rule?
Brett. You are right it was a rule but it has been dropped.
Thanks for the clarification Barry and Merry Christmas. Look forward to seeing more tutorials in 2019 and Kyren going from strength to strength.
As per the angled by the cushion scenario, I am pretty sure that if you have the blue on the way of the red, it IS a free ball, as you are snookered by the blue, the cushion is always irrelevant??
Sir please clear my mind that if there are 3 colours on the table. Your points are 12. I am on the strike. I pot blue ball but got a snooker behind black ball. I tried to break the snooker but I failed. Your points becomes 13. I actually wanna ask that there my opponent can call for the replace or not?
Umair. I would love to answer your question but I am afraid it does not make sense. You say there are 3 colours on the table which I assume must be blue, pink and black 18 points. My points are twelve ( very low at this stage of the game.) You pot the blue gaining 5 points but snooker yourself on the pink. You try to get out of the snooker but miss giving 6 points away to me so my points are not now 13 as you say but they are 18. I realise that English may be a problem but I am afraid you will have to try again.
No free ball indeed. @William White, a free ball is called before the ball is placed on the baize. If the referee decides that there is no place in the D available for you to put the ball and not be snookered that is. If he decides you can place the white in a position where you can hit the ball on at both sides, like in Barry's example, close enough to the red, you can still place the white in a "snookered position" and make the shot as difficult on yourself as you want. No free ball will have been called, so this would be quite a silly thing to do.
Hello, I had an interesting situation the other day playing.
Blue ball is hanging on a pocket edge and there is a single remaining red. As the result of a foul, I was partially snookered by the brown resulting in a free ball. I still had enough room to squeeze by the brown to strike the red. I called the blue as my free ball, hit the red into the blue which went in. We counted it as 1 point, respotted the blue, and play resumed. Is this correct?
Joseph. In the situation you describe you have called the blue as your free ball so you must hit the blue first not the red. I am sorry but you have committed a foul by hitting the red first after nominating the blue as your free ball, foul five points away.
Ah I see now. We thought it was like playing a red into a “red.” I understand the foul was not striking the free ball first. Thank you for replying Barry!
Yes sir it's a free ball. As per what I understood in the Videos you posted...
Sir I also have a question if its a free ball and we pot the last red ball with the color ball we have nominated. Do we still get 2 points. And is yes that means we have got 16 points for 15 reds. Is that correct.
Please don't mind iam a little confused.
Daniel. I assume you mean that the colour has been potted as well. If that is what you mean then that is correct.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thanks Sir..
Unrelated to free ball, but could you explain what happens in the following scenario: I pot both pink and black in the same shot, but only the blue spot is available. Which color goes to the blue spot? What if I pot blue, pink and black in the same shot, and only the blue spot is available? Thanks!
Ziyang. First scenario. The black would go on the blue spot. Second scenario. The blue would go on the blue spot, the pink and black would be placed as near to their own spots as possible but in line with the other central spots.
What if there are no reds left, and a foul has been committed ending up snookered. Is it still free ball, points for the lowest colour? Or is free ball only for reds?
HabOnkel. If you are snookered as the result of a foul you still have the option of a free ball even if there are no reds left on the table.
Like in starting the way you explained about red on pocket and played a chap shot with black...if the same case like with blue ball...blue on pocket ..i have to play a shot ..pink is between cue ball and blue ball..and i have a free ball..can i hit pink and drop blue...?
Also if pink also dropped along with pink..will i get 10 points...??
And last but not the least..if blue not droped but the pink is droped into the pocket ..then..??
jatin. First question. Hit pink to pot blue, okay 5 points. Second question. Pink also drops with blue, okay, still 5 points but pink comes back up and is re-spotted. Third question. Okay 5 points, pink is re- spotted.
I m learning soo much from u reef but i have a question for u if playera A is playing brake and he came to snooker himself then if he hit the ball and completely miss the ball and againg get a snooker can player B get free ball or not ??
Ajay. When you say he hits the ball and then misses the ball, I assume you mean he hits the cue ball but misses the object ball. If that is the case player B would get a free ball.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach thank u soo much coach
Hi Barry I would say free ball but I suspect it’s going to be no. Could I just ask you three quick questions regarding scenarios that have cropped up in my league?
No.1. Player 1 is snookered with red ball on but it is touching the pink, he plays the escape but hits pink and red exactly at the same time, is this a foul?
No2. Player 1 has a free ball awarded with reds still on table, he pots pink without nominating even though it was blatantly obvious, is it a foul 4 or 6 points and is it still a foul because referee didn’t ask him to nominate?
No3. Player 1 is 7 points ahead of player 2 but pots the white leaving just black on table. Does the black go back on it’s spot and white played from the D or does the black stay where it is on table? Thanks Barry
Foul on the black ends the frame . You now have a black ball play off and toss for brake.
1. I would say yes, as red is ball on and even though cue ball is touching the pink the only thing that means is that player has to play away from the pink without it moving; a simultaneous contact with the ball on and a ball not on is a foul. The only way it wouldn't be is in a free ball situation and if the pink was nominated as the free ball, hence is acting like a red ball on (simultaneous hit of two reds 'on' is not a foul).
2. Not sure about that, I think the rules actually state if a foul is committed without nominating the colour it's actually 7 points away.
3. The 7 points awarded to the opponent mean that the scores are tied, the white is in hand and the black is re-spotted [edited per below]
ANDY. No1. That is a foul, you cannot have a simultaneous hit in that situation. No.2 The onus is on the player to nominate, foul and 7 points away. No3. The first foul on the black ends the game, in your example the scores are now level so it is a re-spotted black and the white is played from hand.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach I stand corrected, and have edited my response (not good to be incorrect - although I guess it could change in the future)! :)
The rule wording suggests the first score or foul ends the frame EXCEPT when the scores are then equal (hence my steadfast prior understanding as the frame hasn't ended so why touch the black) but a subsequent rule then says in the above situation the back is re-spotted and the frame is only then ended on the NEXT score or foul.
Thanks Barry, I'm surprised at the last one i thought the black would remain where it landed, not respotted unless potted but bow to your superior knowledge. Looking forward to your future videos, Merry Christmas!
One question coach
What if ?
A foul is commited, and last red is connected with cushion,so now i can see the right side of red ball but not left side of red ball..
So according to this situation
Can i get free ball??
Abhishek. No, I am afraid not. You cannot have a free ball if the cushion stops you from hitting one side of the ball.
Barry - someone told me that once you're down to just the pink and black, there is no foul snooker rule, i.e. you can nominate the black as a free ball and then snooker your opponent behind the black. Can you confirm is this is true or not please?
BFG. I can confirm that when the pink and black are the only balls on the table and a free ball has been awarded that you can snooker your opponent behind the black ball. This is the only time that you can do this.
Sir what if i got the same situation on blue pink black...last three colors....got snookered and blue is on the red situation and black the same as you showed??? Please guide
Atif. I Assume you are asking about the situation where the blue and red are against the cushion and a foul has been committed. If I am interpreting what you say correctly you are now asking if the red was replaced by the blue and the blue replaced by the black. The answer is exactly the same and a free ball would be allowed, providing of course that a foul had been committed.
Hi Barry, i have a question, what if i failed hitting the free ball but the cue ball touched the ball on first? Is that a foul? Thank you
mac. Certain points on this I need to check on.
Mac. You must nominate which ball you intend to hit as your free ball and you must hit that ball otherwise it is a foul.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoachthank you Barry
Hello Sir, I have a scenario in regards to free ball. There are only 3 colors left on the table which are blue, pink and black. My opponent makes a foul and leaves the blue on the jaws of the pocket and it's snookered by pink. Can I nominate pink and hit the pink first and pot the blue. If yes, after potting the blue will the blue be placed in its original position.excuse me for my English
Giridhar. You can certainly nominate the pink, hit the pink first and pot the blue. You will score five points and the blue stays down, your next shot is on the pink.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Appreciate your prompt reply.
Hello Sir, I have one more scenario in regards to free ball. There are only 3 colors left on the table which are blue, pink and black. My opponent makes a foul and leaves the blue on the jaws of the pocket and it's snookered by pink followed by black. can i nominate black and hit the black first which in turn hits the pink and then pot's the blue ball.If yes, after potting the blue will the blue be placed in its original position.excuse me for my English
@barry stark.. Sir, you can have a free ball.. Because the opponent makes an in off and the other player starts from the d box, but as the red is covered by blue and yellow on both sides.. So a free ball is applicable.. Am I correct sir?
Ashwin. I am afraid not, if you place the cue ball very close to the red, you can play its extremities,so it is not a free ball, please the see the next video explaining it.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach yes sir saw that.. Thanks for teaching us minute things in snooker..
You asked once a player finishes all reds with black and all finishes all colour but makes a 146 break..
I thought a lot but couldn't find it..
Please give us the answer sir.
If there is a ball " not on " covering the only possible pocket where i can pot the ball "on" and now i can't pot the ball "on" so is there a free ball or not ?
Abdul. You can only have a free ball (after a foul of course) if a ball not on is stopping you from HITTING a ball that is on. In the scenario you mention you cannot have a free ball.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach thanks for the guidance 👍🏻
Sorry if there is a video on this but I can’t seem to find the rule on it, I was playing with my mate and we had a discussion i potted a red and the white at the same time I was under the impression you give 4 points away, but someone on another table told me I still get the one point, is this true
Shane. You were right and the player on the other table was wrong, you do not score points when a foul accompanies the pot.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach thank you for the reply and clearing this rule up
In the scenario where you plant the nominated ball onto the on ball and both balls are potted, what happens if both are colours. Do you score double the value of the on ball? Cheers, keep up the good work.
shane. No. Whilst it is not a foul you will only score the value of the ball on.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thanks Barry
@barry what would happen if there was a free ball and i decided to pot the black as ball on and then intended to play color but i fouled on black ball and now the opponent has a free ball. Question is when I fouled on black how much point will be awarded to opponent; will be it 7 or 4points. I would have gotten only one point I had scored black as a ball on
Fahim. The black ball has been nominated as the free ball replacing a red so the opponent would be awarded four points.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thanks Sir
Good video, thanks again Barry. I'd say these situations would quite rarely come up in an actual match but it's very useful to know these little exceptions. Anything can happen on a snooker table.
When it comes to the last scenario, it's definitely not a free ball. As you can place the white anywhere in the D you can hit the extreme right hand side of the red and the extreme left hand side of the red. Just place the white on either side of the D and you can hit the red as thin as you want on both edges.
Can you hit both extreme edges from a single position?
I don't think so. I think it is a free ball
@@shreyaspraneshtingu you can't hit the red anywhere but you can defi itely hit both sides of it. Barry will tell you in the next video it's not a free ball
I had an argument with someone and they said when u play a free ball and pot it, you can't lay a snooker behind the color you nominate (i.e. roll up behind the color you nominate). Can anyone help clarify this?
Tasadduq. Lets say a red is the ball on but as the result of a foul you are snookered on the red so you are awarded a free ball. You choose to play the yellow ball but you cannot snooker your opponent behind it. If however you pot the yellow you score one point and you are now on any colour. You can now roll up to that colour quite legally and snooker your opponent.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thank you very much Barry, I honestly didn't expect a reply on a 4 year old video.I really appreciate that. Have a blissful holiday season and a Happy New Year.
It's a free ball. You cannot hit both extreme edges of the ball on from any playable position of the white.
"17. Snookered
The cue-ball is said to be snookered when a DIRECT STROKE IN A STRAIGHT LINE to every ball on is wholly or partially obstructed by a ball or balls not on..."
WPBSA rules.
I would interpret this as not a free ball; the rules also don't indicate anything about being able to hit from multiple positions of the cue ball in the D.
And no, you can't hit both extreme edges of the red by placing the cue ball closer.
I could be wrong, depending on the interpretation, but I would argue a long time over this....lol.
Good thoughts, Shayne, but incorrect. Your rule 17 spells it out - balls NOT ON must obstruct the path to the extreme edges of the red. As per my comment elsewhere:
A free ball is called when a ball that is NOT ON prevents the player from hitting the ball on. In the scenario in question, the player can place the cueball very close to the ball on, the red. From this position, they CANNOT see both sides of the red. However, neither of the colours (the balls Not On) is causing this obstruction. It is the red itself that is causing the obstruction. Hence, no free ball.
Further, when playing from the D the referee will only call a free ball if there is No place the cue ball can be put that isn't snookered. Hence, the ability to put the cueball directly in front of the red means no free ball can be called.
@@jordantrew147 I disagree. Placement of the cue ball is by choice; this would be putting the player in a position, punished if you will, by the opponent's foul, and is not in the spirit of the rule either, and still does not allow the player to hit both extreme edges of the red.
A red cannot obstruct itself.
If I am wrong, then the rule needs to be clarified for this extremely rare situation, in my opinion. On top of that, if you're right, I'd still argue that it makes no sense, effectively limiting your situation because of a foul.
@@shaynerism well fairness isn't entirely the question. Being jaw snookered after a foul isn't fair either, but it doesnt get a free ball.
Imagine if it wasn't ball in hand. Your opponent fouls and leaves the cue ball a millimetre from a red. There's no colours involved, just the red. There's clearly no free ball because you can hit the red and no colours are obstructing, even though you can't hit the extreme edges. This is an unfortunate situation, and the fouling player has in effect for an advantage from the foul, but that's just the luck of the game.
Remember, also, the incoming player can always have the fouling player play again from where the balls landed, or in hand, if he finds the lie of the balls too disadvantageous.
@@jordantrew147 Yes, I realize that, but there are colours involved here, and you shouldn't be forced to place the cue ball close because that's how you avoid a free ball....
I totally see what you're saying, I'm just saying that in the spirit of the rule, which is removing advantages your opponent could have by fouling, this should be a free ball.
no free ball
Can the miss rule apply on the situation where the white ball is angled after my opponent misses the red on his shot?
Lim. Yes, a foul and a miss can be awarded at the discretion of the referee.
Does this mean that 147 isn’t a maximum score? Couldn’t you get a 148 with a free ball?
You can get 155
Actually if its an angled ball you have the right to put the cue ball anywhere in the the bulk circle and ply from there
1. That used to be the old rule, if you are angled after a foul that now no longer applies.
isn't playing away from a touching ball, strictly speaking, a push shot? cue tip, cue ball and "ball on" simultaneously contacted. always wondered.
ormoniuk. The official rules say it is not a push shot so that is the answer.
Barry Stark Snooker Coach cheers for clarifying that
For the situation, I guess that it is not a free ball, because there is a perfect option to see the red ball fully, if I choose to put it where I can't see the red that's my choice. I'm not sure though. Merry Christmas dear Barry.
@William White Yes true. In this case we can say that the bottom side of red is extreme edge of it, and it is hittable. Depending on where you put the cue ball of course.
Sepehr. Merry Christmas to you also. Watch the next video for the answer.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach Thank you very much Barry, I'm looking forward to the next video. Thanks for all the efforts.
Hi this is Aswin from India need clarity with free ball rule, situation: opponent has made a foul you have a free ball but there is a color ball blocking the pocket, can I nominate the color ball blocking the pocket and use the red to pot it
Aswin. No you must always firstly hit the ball that you nominate.
If i m taking free ball and free ball partially snookered last red ball is it a foul
Taimoor. Yes this is a foul.
3:15 No other options? You can't take ball-in-hand, or in the D, or whatever you call it in Snooker, when a foul has been committed and you're angled and/or snookered?
Jane. Very true.
You can't have a free ball because you can hit the object ball (full)
Sultan. William is right, hitting the the object ball full is not the criteria for being awarded a free ball, that is the criteria for a warning to be issued after two fouls and misses. The correct answer to the poser will be in the next video.
I would imagine that as you can't hit the extreme edge of the red that it would be a free ball. Another rule which would be good to focus on, which has come up in the league I play in a few times, is when someone snookers their opponent behind the free ball which is nominated. This has happened by accident a few times also so would be good to clear that up for people. Am I right in saying that a foul would be called and is it not free ball called in favour of the other player? Also another one which is a regular rule that gets discussed, just talking from the perspective of never having a referee in league snooker, is black ball game and the varying situations, points-wise. Once again many thanks for the videos! You are an excellent communicator and have helped to improve my game significantly.
Can't snooker someone behind the nominated free ball.
@@craigbradley7220 Quite right but what if you accidently did. Foul called and free ball to the other person?
@@marliesization I'd presume that's correct mate 🍻
@William White It was just clarity on the rule I was looking for rather than the accidental element. Cheers!
Matthew. You cannot snooker behind a nominated free ball by accident or design, it is a foul. There is one exception to that and that is when there is only the pink and black left on the table.
Nearly had an argument in my local club regarding the angled rule last night; two of my mates were playing and were left with the pink and black (13 pts) on the table. One of them fouled (6 pts away), leaving the cue ball ANGLED, not snookered so the other thought they would have a free ball. I told them no, using this video as a reference.
Oh, and Merry Christmas Barry!
Matthew. Unless they have changed the rule in the new book ( I haven't got a copy yet ) you are right on the angled rule. Thanks for the Christmas well wishes and may I wish the same to you.
Cheers Barry
The answer is no free ball. The incoming player, now the striker, must be able to hit the extreme edges of the red. This is done by placing the cue as close to the red as possible without touching it.
Eh?
Apologies, by placing the cue 'ball' as close to the red as possible without touching it. I left out 'ball' in my original answer. If one or more balls can be struck at the extreme edges free of obstruction, the cue ball is not Snookered. So no free ball in this case
No free ball, the player can put the cue ball close to the red and hit it in both "viewable" sides (the difference is that both sides won't be separated by ~180° but by a much shorter angle).
Garvin. The correct answer will be revealed in the next video.
@@BarryStarkSnookerCoach And now that the next video has gone up, a thank you should go out in each of these videos in the comments section to those who got the right answer and explained it. I think that is proper
No free ball. If you place the white directly behind the red you can hit the extreme edges. Need to understand geometry to understand this lol.
William, clearly with ball-in-hand you wouldn't have the balls touching. Would be tiny distance apart.
My basic understanding of geometry tells me that you cannot hit the edges of the red on without touching the adjacent colors shouldering the red ball, and that concerns not only the extreme edges. Actually you can hit only half of the red ball, i.e. about 45 degrees left and right from the center. Anything beyond that touches a color first.
In order to hit the extreme edges you would even have to put some extra effort into your strike. For that you have place the white accordingly and hit a shouldering color ball almost dead center with some follow spin. You might touch the corresponding extreme edge of the red, but only after committing a foul.
Mike Tait The scenario you describe i.e. "the white directly behind the red" would indeed allow you to strike either side of the red, but ONLY if the white ball was no further away than approx 20% of the ball radius. Any further than that, and one of the other balls would be contacted first. I understand geometry.
Having said that, your suggestion requires the player (now playing) to 'suffer a disadvantage' as a result of a foul shot. If I remember correctly this cannot be allowed - otherwise there could be a potential advantage to the playing making the foul each time.
One last thing. Your suggestion also implies that the player MUST take the shot from close to (within approx 20% of the ball radius), the red ball, thereby suffering something of a disadvantage.
In short, due to all of the above, I believe a free ball would be allowed.
Regards Mark in the UK
Thx Guys looking forward to Barry's answer. I'll stick with my NO FREE BALL answer but happy to be proved wrong.
This is a trick question!
While it’s true you can’t hit the edges of the red, it should be true that it’s a free ball situation.
But it feels like it could be a free ball because the red is in “traffic”.
Now I’m confused. Lol
This really is a good question.
Happy Holidays, enjoy snooker!!
Cheers
Not a free ball because you could place an angle that could hit one side of the red
junhao. After a foul shot you have to be able to hit both sides of the red, if one side is obscured by a ball not on you can have a free ball. If one side is obscured by a cushion then you cannot.
Depending on whether they are touching or not