I read “The Eye of the World” after watching “The Wheel of Time” show (which is better?)
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- Hi! I am back to talk about the 30-year-old book by Robert Jordan "The Eye of the World." I have watched the tv show adaption by Amazon Prime "The Wheel of Time" and thought it was about time I go to the original source material.
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Title: I read “The Eye of the World” after watching “The Wheel of Time” show (which is better?)
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As someone who grew up reading the books and experienced the devastation of RJ dying before finishing the series and then the joy of Brandon Sanderson picking up the mantle, it was a 23 year experience so I hope TV watchers understand a little of why we're very protective. The best thing about the show is that it's bring new readers to the series.
I totally understand the OG book readers and why y’all feel the way y’all do. I am happy though that I experienced the show first so that i could fully enjoy both
As long as the show is getting people to read the books, the wheel weaves as the wheel wills as far as I'm concerned
You won’t spoil the show by reading the books, because they bear no resemblance to each other
No truer words were ever said.
Not true imo
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@@khaliledwards2809did we read the same series then? Because it’s not even the same story
Spot on. The show is terrible.
the Wheel of Time is such a rereadable series, it's amazing. All the details you pick up on on subsequent rereads. Ie Rand's channeling or touching the source throughout the book. First time being when fleeing trollocks in the beginning and he's urging Bella to run so Egwene doesn't lag behind, noting how his skin feels like fire and his bones like ice
OG covers are comedy gold! Can't wait to finish this video. I love her impression of each character. Been reading since the 90s and love the show too. Excited for your journey here.
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You are so right about the OG covers!
The first book cover is iconic. Most of the others are less than awesome. Still, I love that old school fantasy art so I'm collecting them all.
@@alexandermendez4653Nick Cage Rand 😂
So happy you enjoyed the books. I’m on my third read through of the series and it only gets better everytime you go through it. Picking up more details you missed and thinking of characters in different ways. One of the hardest things about Robert Jordans writing is the descriptive style, if you enjoy that- you’ll love this series.
I also love the tv show, being a book reader first there’s a lot more things I wish were done differently but overall I think they really captured the characters (besides Perrin) which was the most important part. There’s so many things RJ wrote about and connecting them all in two seasons just wasn’t going to happen, but getting the group together again at the end of season 2 gives them the best options going forward!
I’d love to watch a book 2 Vlog or at least some thoughts on the book! Like I said m about to finish EOTW and will be starting TGH soon!
As a decades long book fan I have had my issues with the show, but I also really love it! It's important for me to remember that they are adapting the whole series, not book by book, and that changes how they show and foreshadow things.
I'm so glad you found the show!! They left the important ending of book 3 out of season 2 and from what they've said about the next season i don't think that ending will happen until at least season 4 of the show, because what happens isn't relevant until later in the books. So it might be hard to wait until after season 4 to read books 3 and 4...
I always disliked Nyneave, lol. But the actress is doing s great job, as are all of them! Such perfect casting (except Thom, but I like that actor anyway, lol) Rand, Mat and Egwene are my favs in the books!
I'm always on the lookout for more Wheel of Time content, so I get it!
Hopefully Nyneave’s character develops but the actress does such a good job I can’t help but like her. Also, I’m still nervous to read book 3 in case of spoilers but we’ll see…
I would hope so as far as foreshadowing, but I’m highly doubtful on that level of planning after watching the Jordancon panel with Uno, in addition to everything else they haven’t paid off(Perrin fridges wife), also rules even within the show that they broke. There’s some cool effects.
Pike’s audio version is good, but Kramer and Reading are great!! I don’t mind book to tv changes, but I don’t like a lot of the changes that were made or added to the tv show.
Ahhh!!! You and I are the same. I watched Season 1 and bought books 1 & 2. Then I watched Season 2 and said "I have to read the books now! I gotta know what happens." I have an audible credit so I will pick up the audiobook with Rosemund Pike's narration. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Book 2!
Been rereading for 30 years and I do like the show quite a bit. It's different but that leaves me guessing what's next
Exactly! I love when tv show adaptations make changes! Give me the small moments I’ve been waiting for but still leave me on the edge of my seat
Book 2 and 3 are actually season 2 of the show. Book 4 will be season 3 i guess. After you finish whole Wheel of Time series, i'd recommend exploring Cosmere Lore (especially Mistborn series and Stormlight Archives series) by Brandon Sanderson who also co-authored later Wheel of Time books after original author, Robert Jordan died. Robert gave him several outlines to continue Wheel of Time series and Brandon managed to grant his wishes to complete Wheel of Time series. Brandon is the most influential modern fantasy writer, on the same level as George R. R. Martin who authored A Song of Ice and Fire series (Game of Thrones was adapted from that).
Yes, i did learn Sanderson completed the series a while ago. I read the first 2 books in his Skyward series but I’m definitely gonna have to check out his other work!
@@Leilers Skyward is fun but his cosmere works are on a whole different level, suggest starting with Way of Kings; very long and slow starting but the ending is amazing and makes it all worth it
You remind me of me of when I first watched The Dresden Files show on TV. I loved the show and then started reading the books. For awhile, I sort of maintained equal love for both the books and the show even though they were different, but after reading all of the Dresden Files books, I realized the show, while a rather credible try, is actually not that good and certainly compared to the breadth of what's in the books, it suffers in comparison. My *opinion* is that as you get further into The Wheel of Time books, especially Books 2-4, you will start to feel how much the show suffers in comparison despite the good work that the actors have done with their characters. They are really shorting some of the character development and the interesting events that happen in the books as well as altering much of the narrative to have a different meaning and I get the feeling that it's only going to continue to diverge further if the show continues.
I have read the books 11 times and I love the show also. Most of the people that I know who have read the books like the show also. The show and book can coexist and you can love them both without the end of world coming.
Literally!
Yes, the book reader I know personally like the show, too. It’s the very vocal “book cloaks” that dominate Internet content which has created this situation: Show watcher go out looking for show content, find book readers dunking on the show just for being different.
I started reading the books after watching the show too! Read the entire series twice now after season one. I hope that you keep up with the books! They’re definitely worth it, and the show has enough changes that I still am guessing what’s gonna happens next
I love that! And yes, i do plan on continuing the series
I haven’t watched the show or read the book but I’ve been itching to give it a shot! Sounds like it’s definitely worth my while :)
Adding it to my 2024 bucket list! *start the Wheel Of Time!
It’s definitely worth it imo!
Yes, do show first then books 1-3 and prequel (if you want to do both)
I was stunned just how bad the series was, they clearly had troubles in production, I gave season two a try, and... I had enough. Writing the show around Moraine instead of Rand was a big mistake, he barely gets any screen-time, he's the Dragon Reborn! can you imagine if we followed the story through Gandalf instead of Frodo?.. I decided to start the books halfway season 2, I finally finished all 14 books; top 3 fantasy read of all time in my opinion, and was genuinely surprised the show got a season 2, it got so many things wrong, giving Perrin a wife, the Dragon Reborn can be anybody, to create fake tension, fake deaths, cheap CGI and fight scenes, it looked goofy... Atleast the show did one thing write; it made me read the source.
I feel you. I watched the show "Legend of The Seeker" and liked it, then I read the book series and was like wow! After I read it I went back and tried to watch the show and couldnt do it. Watching the show change the book was gut wrenching. Hope you love the books and they dont ruin the show completely for you.
I typically like when shows deviate a bit from the books so i think i will be ok. 😆
I am a book reader who loves the show, too. Reading book 1-3 and prequel New Spring would be safe from major spoilers, so you have two more books to read!
Ditto to literally everything you said! I also read Eye of the World after watching the shows and was shocked at how different the endings were. But I was not mad about it! I look forward to reading the Great Hunt, watching season 3 and hearing more of your Wheel of Time content!
Thanks! I will be vlogging The Great Hunt soon!
Almost like the TV show and movie are barely based on the same work :D Sorry, had to, I despise the show.. BUT I am glad it has gotten folks interested in reading the real story that RJ masterfully crafted over decades so you'll get to enjoy it how it was intended..
Welcome! I read the books first but I love the show. If you want to go into season 3 unspoiled, i recommend stopping after the great hunt because book 3 will spoil some things that haven't happened yet, and also lore and magic system elements that haven't been explained yet. However you should totally read New Spring. It's a prequel set 20 years earlier about Moiraine, Siuan and Lan. One note about it: the show timeline is different from the book timeline. Moiraine is about 30-40 years younger in the books, so she's in her 20s in New Spring (and so is Siuan)
Thanks!
If this show piqued your curiosity enough to read the books then I guess it accomplished one good thing. If I may I would like to make a suggestion to you. Please get the original audio books of the wheel of time is narrated by Michael Kramer and I believe her name is Kate Redding? If you like Rosamund Pike I believe you would love these 2 actors who through the use of their voice acted the hell out of that series. I own all the books and have read them many times but this past summer did not feel like investing so I used the audiobooks and it was such an experience. Like many in your chat I would encourage you to read further sense I do not believe the Amazon series will go past season 3.
I believe you will get far more out of the book series than what is presented on the show and you will also find that You have entered a very inclusive and helpful fandom in the wheel of time. Welcome
Thank you! 😊
I love that you're reading the books and enjoying them! Definitely they are a favorite of mine!
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I would encourage you to check out The Wheel Weaves podcast. They do a spoiler free show, chapter by chapter and help break down the details you should be noticing about all of these chapters because I promise you there are many small details you're not picking up on your first time through.
Based on the show, you can definitely go through the end of the Great Hunt without spoiling anything. I feel like you can probably do some of book 3 but you should probably wait till we see what they do in season 3 of the show cause based on what they've said, it's almost like they skip all of book 3 and go straight to book 4. Glad you're enjoying it!
Book 2 and 3 are some of my favorites. They cover season 2, so Rosamund Pike has already done a narration on book 3!
This comment is hyping me up to read the books even more!
So fun! This is my favorite series and I’ve read it like 10x! I’m also enjoying the show. It’s good to keep in mind that the show is adapting the series as a whole; they’re not going book-by-book.
Read book 3 too! Season 3 is book 4 as confirmed by the show runner. There are quite a few books that rehash the same events from other parts of the"randland" as a previous book. Not exactly what book 3 is but it won't ruin season 3 for you! (Season 2 also contains some big themes from book 5!)
I read all of the between season 1 and 2. I had never heard of the wheel of time before. I've enjoyed it sooooo much. I'm re-reading them now! I have watched seasons 1 & 2 over and over too!
Im most definitely rewatching the show once im done reading the book 2 and 3!
Really glad you've started this journey. TWoT is one of the greatest Fantasy series of all time. I would also suggest you listen to the Kate Reading and Michael Kramer narrated books. Just something you might want to try. You're in for a helluva ride!
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I feel this so hard. I am also late to the book party. Decided to start with the show as well since book fans are always nitpicky. I'm guilty of it - I admit. I bitched about the Percy Jackson adaptations due to being a big book fan. Great decision as I love the show. I have finished the audiobook of Eye of the World and am almost halfway through the audiobook version of the Great Hunt. Really liking the books as well. Loving that as I read/listened through as I can see why some show changes were made and it helps me appreciate both more. The adapted/shortened "Weep for Manethren" in the show was so good, I love it just as much as the longer book version. Looking forward to S3/book 3.
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You did the same as me. After watching S1 I had to read the book to satisfy my curiosity. Every video I watched complained about the changes. I understand the need for rhe changes, and like you still enjoyed the TV show. Only, I can't stop reading and am now on book 11.
You can go ahead and read books 2 & 3 since Season 3 is based on Book 4. Welcome to the WOT world.
Thanks for your warm welcome!
I think youll like the great hunt! When i first read eye of the world i was iffy on the series but the great hunt absolutely BLEW ME AWAY
Well i am reading it rn and vlogging my experience so we will see how i feel soon!
As a non-bookreader, I really like the show, too!!👍👍👍🎡🎡🎡⌚️⌚️⌚️
It's so good! I’m excited for season 3
@Leilers It's great!! Especially season 2!! I've been looking for more content, without being spoiled, though!🎡🎡🎡⌚️⌚️⌚️
Really enjoyed this review, hope to see a video on the great hunt!
Coming soon!
Also you're so right, the TV show cover for the great hunt looks amazing
I also watched the show before the books. (Only season 1 though) and I LOVE the books and I understand why people have issues with the show.
I think the show has great casting, acting, effects, and set/costume design but the writing is just…. Not it.
I loved that when I went into the books tho I didn’t have to imagine what any of them looked like because I just pictured them as the actors tho LOL. (The only ones who’s appearances changed in my head were Rand, mat, and Lan)
Yes, please do a reading vlog for Great Hunt!!
I plan to! I plan on starting it very soon
Season 3 will be book 4, so you will definitely need to read through The Dragon Reborn. Season 2 was mostly book 2, with some elements of book 3. Looks like they are skipping the major plot points of book 3. The series is only supposed to be 8 seasons, so they will be condensing and combining a lot of the books.
Im glad you mentioned this to me!
Fun fact about book length. There is a single chapter at the end of the series as long as Harry Potter 1.
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@@Leilers Do not worry. That chapter will have you so engrossed you won't even notice the hours that go by while you read it.
Season 2 in a combination of books 2 and 3. Season 3 is supposed to follow the events of book 4. That's two books you have to read before you catch up with the show.
First book can be a little slow, but that's because there's a lot of world building. But it's worth it.
The dragon mystery aside, reading the books is not going to spoil very much for the show, and much much less, and many fewer, spoilers in the Great Hunt for season 2 than in Eye of the World for book 1. Book 3 was NOT covered in season 2, except for one scene, which involved a different character anyway.
As someone who read the books first, I will say I also love the show! I found the casting to be perfect and even though there are some drastic changes, most of them I either can deal with/understand, or I actually liked! (there's only been like, two I seriously disliked, but I'm not sure if those are because they had to rewrite a lot of script because of Barney's departure from the cast.)
Your comment about not knowing who the Dragon was while watching S1 was something I, as a book lover, really liked about the show. It was a great way of keeping the reveal for new viewers, and it actually got me wondering if they were going to do a HUGE twist and have someone else be the Dragon. It kept me on my toes and made me feel like I was reliving reading the books all over again. I'm glad you're enjoying the series!
Nynaeve may grow on you over time. I don't believe that these are spoilers that weren't covered in the Eye of the World in the earliest chapters already; Nynaeve's problem is that she was made the Wisdom of Emond's Field far too early in life. She was the youngest Wisdom that anybody in the Two Rivers had ever heard of. Consequently -- she's got a MASSIVE chip on her shoulder. She was far too competent an herbalist healer to not be made a Wisdom (she effectively performs bloody miracles sometimes) and at the same time she's too young to be easily taken seriously by the Women's Circle or by the Men's Council. So she's more prickly than a cactus pear in a drought on a particularly dry day in summer because of that.
You are so right 💯 I will keep that in mind when i start to get frustrated with her character. But don’t get me wrong i still really like her but im ready for some character development. Im ready for her to be less proud and angry and start thinking more logically
@@Leilers Welcome to the fanbase, Leilers. : )
@@gilian2587 thank you! Its a great fanbase to be in!
Please read the prequel "New Spring" when Moraine is younger and meets up with Lan. Much worth it and added WOT info.
Yeah look this was a wonderful video to watch mate :-) Not a fan of how they treated mostly the boys on the show, but it remains wonderful to see new people picking up the books as a result still. So you can read and find out for yourself!! Enjoy the ride, it's the best story ever told tbh.
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I’ve read the series 7-8 times. I started when the Eye of The World was released. I like the show but don’t love it. My wife likes the show more than I do and she hasn’t read the books.
9:18 Rand and Egwene = young love that grows up when it enters the world, and realize what you want.
The show changed some fundamental things and it will diverge more and more to overcompensate.
By the time it adapt book 7 or 8 it will be unrecognizable. I bet you will like the book more at that time.
So I haven't finished the book series, im reading the shadow rising, but I was one of the book readers who didn't like season one. However, Im actually really enjoying season 2, (im halfway through) and Im just really happy the show is getting people into the wheel of time
Omg, the show is so good imo! I’m excited to keep delving into the books and pointing out differences between them and the show.
Read at your own pace, and enjoy. I was introduced to the books because of an article on the first person shooter in a gaming magazine way back when.
I like to think of the show at a gleemans retelling of the books.
Thats such a good way to look at it! 😊
How curious- I’m just reading the physical books because audiobooks aren’t really for me, and I happened to stumble upon the method of narrating the story to myself in my best impression of Rosamund Pike’s Moiraine, because that’s how she sounds in my head and in my headcanon, she’s kind of the one narrating the story anyhow 😂
As much as I loved season two of the WOT tv show, I must say the book is even better. I read The Great Hunt a year before the TV series started, which was important to my experience. The Great Hunt takes some sharp left turns away from the Lord of the Rings stuff and blows the whole world open in such an exciting way. This happens again and again as you get deeper into the books. But that first exciting jolt comes about halfway through The Great Hunt.
Good to know!
The original cover of book 1 has an interesting story. There is an extra character, there was supposed to be a forth boy that went with them, but RJ (maybe with his wife's urging) decided to merge them together into Mat.
My honest opinion on the show is that it was good, and I liked it. But I was also disappointed. The books are not perfect, by any stretch (Except book 4, which is still one of my favorite books of all time) but I felt like the show could have made changes to improve the book but missed the mark. For example, I liked the changes to Rand+Mat's journey (first, the book version wasn't too long and second I didn't know who would be a darkfriend on their path). I didn't like Perrin having a wife he kills or a "love triangle" with Eqwene.
Book 3 has *significant* parts left out of the show. Like, the entire back end of the book. I don't know if they mean to cover it later, or cut it altogether. If you're looking to keep the show unspoiled, I'd stop at 2.
All the characters take turns as my favorite characters. Mat particularly takes a while to shine.
I hope you enjoy the books and/or show.
Thank you for this comment! I watched a BTS video where the producers wanted to age up the characters for the show so that is why Perrin had a wife. But thanks for that fun fact aswell! Im still deciding if i should stop at book 2 or 3…🤔
You have to Listen to the original audio book! So goood
Its interesting that the "Who is the dragon reborn mystery" beat actually worked for you. Especially since most fans really did not like it... I guess from a non reader perspective its fine?
(I default to the 'the book is always better camp' but the stories I first consumed via visual medium before seeking out the text version have always become stand outs. Love that there are several people who'll be similarly drawn into the World of the Wheel of Time.)
I'm curious why you found Mat annoying in season 1. Is there something specific that rubbed you wrong?
When they were in Shadar Lagoth ( or whatever its called) after he took the knife it was just downhill with his character for me. But season 2 slowly redeemed his character. After the finale I am a Matt supporter!
I've read the book series nine times...and I really enjoyed your perspective.
I "liked" Season One. I wish that they (Amazon Studios) would've allowed for a 90 minute/2 hour episode one...for it really needed it. The showrunner filmed it, but they wouldn't give them the time needed for the beginning of the story...for I felt S1:E1 was too rushed, before they went on their adventure.
The last two-three episodes were messed up, because of the actor playing Mat, didn't come back to the set...after the second shut down during COVID...so they scrambled to rewrite the scenes...having Mat stay behind. Also, COVID protocol...and not allowing that many extras on set...so the ending was anticlimactic IMO. But, I give them a pass, and don't complain about the season, for it was out of their control.
BTW, that cold open with Rand's mother, is one of the BEST cold opens of ANY TV show, ever. Amazing.
I agree, that the Mat they have for S2 is better, and really feel that he's the best version of Mat going forward for the the adaptation of the books. So, it all worked out.
Really happy that you found the books thru the TV series. That makes sense, and I'm so happy that you are loving your journey going forward.
They have planned eight seasons for the fifteen books (fourteen regular novels, and one prequel). SO, when you finish the TV series, you will still have a lot of content to consume.
Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts on The Eye of the World. Also, please to a Reading Journal for your reading of The Great Hunt. Looking forward to watching you grow to love the show and the book series even more and more.
Glad you like Rand! :)
Can I ask you something? Like, what is this book about? What is its major themes? What drives its characters? What is the most important pieces of worldbuilding?
The character changes were some of my biggest gripes about the show. Yes, Mat is unlikeable in the early books. He does not get better in book 2. He gets worse. But he is also one of the most realistic characters. He's a wise guy torn away from home and he whines about it. And then he is influenced/quasi possessed by the dagger which amplifies those negatives. But he is not the layabout cheat and sneakthief from a broken home the show makes him out to be.
Yes, I'm a man, so seeing the three young men I related to the most when I read these books again and again being so negatively portrayed and sidelined in the show makes me upset. I'm glad you are enjoying the show and I hope you enjoy the books as much as I still do.
Season 2 is book 2 and 3
Glad you read the books. I loved the maps and the Glossary at end of books as a kid growing up reading these. IMO the shows are an abomination. Couldn't hang with them beyond halfway point of 1st season. I've read all the books 2x. The first 1 at least 5x and some others 3x. Super happy you gave the books a read and I really appreciate your comments here. I also prefer the original Audio Book readers, not the Rosemand Pike read. Thank you!
"I kind of want some Wheel of Time merch"- the WoT fan community has been saying that for years, to the point we started creating our own :P
Seriously though!
5:54 Remember this socially awkward, shy, nice boi
Welcome to the WoT fandom!
Thank you, its such a great fandom to be in! Everyone has been so nice and welcoming 😊
Now you get to compare the two-alt-verse, and instead of the difference, note the similarities, especially on the world-building; on why things the way it is...and why the TV series chose 'that' way.
I do have to laugh when you commented about Nynaeve and her anger issues. Hooo boy. haha. But yeah, her and Lan's moments were Epic.
😂 still love Nynaeve but jeez… And her and Lan’s moment towards the end of the book was definitely epic and a bit sad
@@Leilers Not quite a spoiler, but do refresh that scene before you read book2. And peel your eyes for a 'follow up scene'. Might cracked you up and also left you misty eyed. haha.
@@amirsharif6003 will do 🫡 i have that scene annotated already 😂
IF she does all the books, that will be great for you.. I'm just afraid she isnt then you'll have to switch to Michael and Kate and not like it.. Where I have a feeling if I tried to listen to Rosamund I have a feeling I wouldn't like it lol.. Michael and Kate are to me, The Wheel of Time (even with their changes in pronunciations and stuff that happens over time)... It won't spoil anything but there is a point in one of the books where Michael has to say "flicker" over and over and over again really fast.. lol.. That has stuck with me forever :D
The Wheel Of Time Content that you need:
I watched S01 first and immediately moved into the WoT audiobooks. I just lived in them for 3 1/2 months. There’s a ton of WoT book fans out there that love the show too, but you just don’t see us because we try really hard to protect non-readers and first timers from spoilers. The Goodship Lanaeve is my 💛💚
Once you finish the books, that will unlock oodles of hours of WoT content online. There’s an insane number of WoT CZcamsrs and podcasters out there.
Until then, here’s some Safe WoT content for new readers. The ones that do contain spoilers usually move the spoiler section to the end of the video/pod and include a spoiler warning so you can stop playing.
Have Fun 🥰
Thanks! 😊
why this video pop up as im deciding if i should buy the book or not.
Ha, i love that!
Oh, it would be safe to read the great hunt. If you want to.
I plan on it and im very excited!
To someone who grew up with the books, using the TV cover is like putting Twilight on the cover of Interview with a Vampire.
😂 i knew some people were bound to hate that i bought the show cover
@@Leilers I'm half teasing. I actually don't mind the covers if the movie/show was close to the books such as Lord of the Rings. The books are a slow burn but very fulfilling so I hope you enjoy them.
On a side note, I hope the show gets canceled.
Thank you, i hope i enjoy the rest of the books as well! But NOOOO, i love the show
@Leilers It's so bad though :(
How do you hate Book!Nynaeve for her anger issues, but love her on the show? On the show, she confronts Lan with a hand on her knife, because he did the highly suspicious and threatening act of... walking in through the front door of an inn that is open for business. She is hostile to Moiraine for absolutely no reason, that is later revealed to be, because the White Tower, which has been around for 3000 years, might have discriminated against her teacher years ago, so she's all kinds of hostile to Moiraine. She stays hostile despite Moiraine's best efforts to get on her good side. Then, she attacks Lan while he is tending to the wounded Moiraine, refuses to treat Moiraine unless Lan agrees to do what she wants, and then, refuses to tell him what she is doing. Then she does nothing useful except Healing a bunch of people by accident, and driving away Machin Shin by accident. They get to Fal Dara and she stalks Lan and then gives him the secret of tracking Moiraine, which was just really really stupid (how did Lan never notice her tell when he has been traveling with her for years? How did Moiraine leave a trail for Nynaeve to follow, when she was carried unconscious into, and out of, the ruined city by Lan before Nynaeve found them? How does a trail she left on horseback that Nynaeve followed, relate to the trail she will be leaving on foot? Why can't Lan just track Rand, a 20 year old farmboy who knows nothing about the environment he is traveling through?). And then she saves Egwene from the channeling death.
That's it That's all Nynaeve does. She is really mean to Moiraine, even though Show!Moiraine did not insult her in public, was open and honest about what she wanted from the Two Rivers kids and why she was there, saved Tam without being asked, and openly warned Nynaeve about the dangers in Tar Valon. She also was upfront and honest with them about the plan for going to the Eye of the World. She did not try to manipulate them and let them make up their own minds, and respected Rand's wishes to hide his identity and survival. Nynaeve has much less reason to be mean to her on the show, but treats her worse.
Meanwhile, in the books, Moiraine calls Nynaeve "child" in public, when Nynaeve is already struggling to have people taken seriously (when Rand & his father arrive in the village in the beginning, half the people are complaining about Nynaeve being too young for her job, and then the cool celebrity visitor calls her "child" in public - she has a damn good reason to be mad about that). Moiraine carries the kids off without their parents' knowledge or consent, and no one really knows why. Hell, it's Loial who reveals that they are ta'veren, not Moiriane. By the end of book 1, she has not even told them that she is looking for the Dragon Reborn. She tells Rand at the Eye of the World, with Nynaeve present, that the coins she gave him, Mat & Perrin were both trackers to be able to find them, and roofies to make them listen to her. Nynaeve knew about the trackers first, because that's how Moiraine was following them. Moiraine is the one who brings them to Shadar Logoth, while on the show, it was all Lan's doing, and Nynaeve didn't even know about that.
Nynaeve herself in the books shows a lot more competence. She is a very good healer, and we can see from things like keeping her hands clean and not keeping the wounded all in one place to minimize the risks of infection, that she knows her stuff. We discover how much she cares about the Two Rivers kids and she left on the journey to find them, after making arrangements for someone to cover her duties. She assures Lan that Moiraine is perfectly safe being treated by her, and she tells Moiraine exactly what she is giving her. Later, she plays an important role in rescuing Perrin and Egwene from the Children of the Light and even realizes that Egwene is there, by recognizing her horse, and takes additional risks to make sure they have enough horses for everyone to make a clean getaway. She comforts Egwene when she freaks out hearing about the Dark One appearing in the boys' dreams, she starts making practical lists for their journey from Caemlyn, and she deliberately acknowledges Rand, Mat & Perrin as men, because of the danger they are willing to face to save the world. She doesn't stalk Lan through the town prying into his private business, she goes to him openly and admits her feelings.
Even on the issue of channeling, when Moiraine tells Nynaeve that she can channel, it's devastating, because Nynaeve is very good at foretelling the weather, which is incredibly important to a pre-industrial farming community, and at curing illness and treating injuries, as a result of her years of study and hard work to master these disciplines. She studied and worked hard to learn these subjects, and it paid off, because she's right about the weather (until the Dark One started interfering) and everyone she treats gets better. Except now Moiraine has just told her that it WASN'T her own natural knowledge that helped her figure out when it was going to rain or when spring was coming, it was the One Power simply telling her. People were not getting better because Nynaeve gave them the right medicine, but because the One Power was fixing them without her realizing it. Moiraine is basically saying that all of Nynaeve's accomplishments, the skills that won her the position of Wisdom at an unbelievably young age, were unearned, and things that were just handed to her by an accident of birth. You'd be pissed too. Hell, by calling her a channeler and pointing out Moiraine's own ability to sense her, Moiraine is implying that the Aes Sedai have more to do with what Nynaeve has achieved, that it's their gimmick that has stolen all the meaning from her life.
Nynaeve has "anger issues" because she's facing really horrible things throughout the whole book! Before she ever appears on the page, people are talking about her frustration because the weather is unnatural. The village is being threatened by monsters, and she can sense it unconsciously. Then it is attacked, and people she has known all her life are hurt and killed and then four teenagers she used to babysit, whose injuries she has treated, are taken away by a woman who publicly insulted her. Then on her journey, everything she encounters is bad - the sunken ferry, the Fade coming into their inn, the inn being burned right after they leave, the Children of the Light targeting the group, because they are with an Aes Sedai, and then Moiraine bringing them to a cursed & haunted ruin that doesn't actually keep the Trollocs from following them like she said it would, and then the group gets split off, and Moiraine makes it clear she DGAF if Egwene survives as long as she can get the boys to safety. These are all things that Nynaeve gets angry about, because she cares about people, the Two Rivers folk the most, but people in general as well. Nynaeve does not go catatonic or shell shocked at horrible things or disasters or suffering, she gets mad and does something. Except this is too big for her to do anything about, for the first time in her life. Anger is a very normal and natural thing for people in general and Nynaeve especially to be feeling in her position. But you know what you don't see? Nynaeve brandishing knives at people, Nynaeve hurting people, or lashing out or behaving in any way unconstructively or obstructively.
Book Nynaeve is an awesome and amazing character and one of the worst things about the show is not the changes from the books, but how they have systematically stripped her of all her power, status and accomplishments, as well as most of her personality.
thanks for your comment, I really like the books series but dont have time to read
It DOES make me cringe to see annotations on a novel, but I love that you love it.
WoT is a series that will probably benefit from this level of investment, Jordan is a MASTER of foreshadowing, and this is why so many book fans dislike the show. It does spectacle okay, the performances are great and isolated scenes are cool... BUT it fails to capture the magic. (both figuratively, and literally with the REFUSAL to include the binary nature of the system, as if it is too controversial to suggest masculine and feminine are real concepts that are different from eachother and complimentary. I GENUINELY think that the show runner reads FAR too much into it as if it's some rad fem anti-trans statement. This concern could EASILY be fixed with trans characters being unable to reach the source bc their body does not align with their soul, or some such. Because in WoT souls are very much gendered, as each "thread" infinitely repeats its patten in... the... wheel... of... time... :P)
I think all of the toxicity would pretty much disappear is the show runner and show fans would just... concede the criticisms.
That the show does not closely follow the books.
That rather large liberties have been taken that transform it into an "inspired by" rather than an adaptation.
That the show runners clearly have ideological reasons for many of their choices, and that this may not match Jordan's vision or many of his readers expectations.
That pretty much defuses all of the tension simply by acknowledging reality.
The show simply made the mistake of setting expectations (of an adaptation) and not delivering on those.
On Egwene and Rand, I think part of the point in the books is that it's not meant to be.
It's a childhood romance. It COULD work out but it's certainly not some mature relationship. They're simply somewhat infatuated with their fantasy of each other (Rand substantially more so than Egwene)
This is one element that the show SERIOUSLY screws up. Making Rand's entire arc for two seasons about what Egwene wants is... very bad. If that had been done to a widely popular female protagonist, I don't think the critics would be so easily dismissed.
I would disagree with anyone saying the show captures the characters.
I don't think that's true for literally any of them. In season 1, Mat was my standout, and he was SUBSTANTIALLY darker (which isn't good imo) In season 2... Egwene and Nynaeve had their moments... but largely miss the point. (Nynaeve practicing with swords? The more you read, the angrier this might make you. Egwene somehow rescuing herself from the a'dam ALSO undermines an ENORMOUSLY important theme from the series... that even the greatest individuals need help from their friends. It's the lesson they labour for Rand, the literal dragon reborn who is SO terrifyingly powerful that men have been slaughtered for thousands of years and false dragons spark continent spanning civil wars. But for Egwene? She don't need no man. It's a GENUINE shame and while those scenes are cool they undermine her character ENORMOUSLY in the long run. To the point I'm not sure the show runner or writing room have read past the first handful of books)
Glad to hear from new readers! Those of us who love the books and enjoy the show aren't as vocal, but we're here! I was disappointed by season 1's battle at Tarwin's Gap, but Rand's battle made more sense in the show than the books.
Ignore the cover haters. I started the series in 1990, so have all the original covers, but you and I read the exact same books. Like, there's literally an espression, "Don't judge a book by its cover."
Also, I enjoy the show: As with most adaptations, it's different, but I actually prefer a couple changes.
You get me! I love when adaptations are a bit different from the source material.
Glad the show is bringing in new readers.
The show won’t spoil much from the books as they have little to do with one another.
Bring on the rvlog
The ORIGIONAL cover fits the ORIGIONAL book. The ORIGIONAL audio book is WAY better.
Here is the problem.... those covers don't reflect the actual characters in the book.
Also the problem you're going to find on your journey..... those changes are not small..... they are world breaking. For example what if I told you that Moraine isn't gay..... and never had a secret affair???
You can't spoil the show by reading the book first 🤣 the series is soooo different from the book
I know people have said read book 3 too but I actually don’t think you should. I have a feeling parts of book 3 ending might end up in season 3 even if season 3 will be mostly book 4.
But I do suggest you read the prequel New Spring as the show has done a lot of the content of that book or has alluded to it so it’s actually pretty safe for you to read and remain spoiler free.
I got bad news for you, mats character doesn’t become likable until book 3. He does have a great moment in book 2 tho.
🤦🏽♀️ thanks for the heads up i guess
the show hurt me the show was so disrespectful that it was actually painful
Maybe it would have hurt me if i had read the books long ago and loved them but i watched the show first. I am the type of girl that likes when adaptions make changes though…
You are not supposed to feel anything for Rand and Egwene. You'll see as you go forward.
Im side eyeing Elayne 👀
@@Leilers All I'll say is, pay attention to what Min said to Rand
@@robinirie98 will do 🫡
Of course the TV show book covers are inaccurate to the books more than the originals at least
Ha!
The show has so little to do with the books youll probably be fine just reading at your own pace lol
You are so lucky to be reading these after they’ve all been published! Back in the day the waits between books were brutal! 😂 I skipped the show for a bunch of reasons I won’t get into, but I think it’s cool it got you reading the books. I’m not sure about spoilers since I haven’t seen the show, and it has been awhile since I read the books, but there is a short story/prequel called New Spring. So if you’re looking for more content until you can read book 3 you might look into that. Like I said though, I’m not sure if it contains spoilers you might want to avoid. I’m sure someone out there has a better idea than I do what the best point in the series to read it is, but I just thought I’d let you know about it if you haven’t come across it yet. And you’re so right, Nynaeve and Lan are one of the best romances! I kept reading for all the different romance side plots! I’d hear people complaining they didn’t like some of them and I was always like “Nah! I love them all!”
Yes, i love good romance! Im also happy i have access to all of the books because waiting for a new book in a series is torture. Also, i will have to check out that prequel and see if it would be good spoiler free content, thanks!