Archetype and Combo Tier List w/ Bolt Jamison | Remnant 2
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Today I sat down with @BoltJamison to discuss our thoughts and opinions on the base archetypes of Remnant 2, how they perform, and where they fall in the meta. As well as all the class combinations.
Y'all didnt catch the live stream, so heres the VoD basically.
Note: i'm biased towards tank builds. They're OP and require no effort
Bolts Page - / boltjamison
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Twitter - @Phemeto
Timestamps (copied from the VOD version w/ time adjustment; Some might be inaccurate)
Note: Discussion was missing Archetype combos with Archon as the Primary Archetype and combos with Ritualist as the Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end, now fixed in the Full Tier List at the end/ in the community post here)
-- Intro --
00:00 Hey People and introducing Bolt Jamison (No Gunner's Guild intro)
00:49 Phemeto acknowledging the 'too much interrupting guest' comments in last video
1:41 Monster Hunter Wilds sidetrack
2:23 Why tier Base Archetypes first, Archetype Combos after
2:54 Measurement standards considered for tiering the Archetypes
-- Base Archetypes --
4:23 Alchemist
9:17 Archon
16:47 Challenger
24:19 Engineer
33:27 Explorer | Re-tiered near the end
37:23 Gunslinger
42:02 Handler
51:33 Invader
58:32 Hunter
1:02:50 Medic
1:08:44 Summoner
1:16:44 Ritualist
1:23:22 Invoker
-- Archetype Combos --
Note: Missing Archetype combos with Archon as Primary Archetypes and missing combos with Ritualist as Secondary Archetype (discussed near the end)
1:28:45 Alchemist Archon | C
1:29:55 Alchemist Challenger | S
1:29:06 Alchemist Engineer | D
1:30:32 Alchemist Explorer | D
1:30:44 Alchemist Gunslinger | B
1:31:43 Alchemist Handler | C
1:32:03 Alchemist Hunter | C
1:32:21 Alchemist Invader | C
1:32:42 Alchemist Invoker | D
1:33:00 Alchemist Medic | A
1:33:16 Alchemist Summoner | B
1:33:46 Challenger Anything | D
1:35:30 Engineer Alchemist | A
1:35:37 Engineer Archon | B
1:35:57 Engineer Challenger | A
136:08 Engineer Explorer | C
1:36:33 Engineer Gunslinger | C
1:36:53 Engineer Handler | S
1:37:11 Engineer Hunter | C
1:37:22 Engineer Invader | D
1:37:34 Engineer Invoker | S
1:37:55 Engineer Medic | A
1:38:36 Engineer Summoner | B
Engineer Ritualist (Discussed in Ritualist Engineer later on) | A
1:39:07 Explorer Anything | D
1:40:56 Gunslinger Alchemist | B
1:41:30 Gunslinger Archon | D
1:41:40 Gunslinger Challenger | S
1:41:56 Gunslinger Engineer | D
1:41:08 Gunslinger Explorer | D
1:41:18 Gunslinger Handler | A
1:41:39 Gunslinger Hunter | S
1:42:52 Gunslinger Invader | C
1:43:13 Gunslinger Medic | B
1:43:29 Gunslinger Summoner | D
1:44:27 Gunslinger Invoker | D
1:45:05 Handler Alchemist | C
1:45:40 Handler Archon | C
1:46:08 Handler Challenger | B
1:46:21 Handler Engineer | C
1:46:48 Handler Explorer | C
1:47:13 Handler Gunslinger | B
1:47:26 Handler Hunter | B
1:47:35 Handler Invader | C
1:47:52 Handler Invoker | D
1:48:09 Handler Medic | A
1:48:34 Handler Summoner | C
1:49:03 Hunter Alchemist | A
1:49:12 Hunter Archon | B
1:49:41 Hunter Challenger | S
1:49:52 Hunter Engineer | B
1:50:27 Hunter Explorer | D
1:50:41 Hunter Gunslinger | S
1:50:56 Hunter Handler | A
1:51:18 Hunter Invader | A
1:51:39 Hunter Invoker | D
1:51:51 Hunter Medic | B
1:52:05 Hunter Summoner | D
1:52:16 Invader Alchemist | C
Invader Archon (Accidentally skipped, discussed later after initial Tier List Completion) | B
1:53:02 Invader Challenger | A
1:53:30 Invader Engineer | D
1:53:52 Invader Explorer | D
1:53:00 Invader Gunslinger | B
1:53:50 Invader Handler | B
1:54:10 Invader Hunter | A
1:54:22 Invader Invoker | C
1:54:51 Invader Medic | C
1:55:09 Invader Summoner | D
1:56:19 Invoker Alchemist | C
1:56:46 Invoker Archon | S
1:57:05 Invoker Challenger | S
1:57:35 Invoker Engineer | S
1:57:50 Invoker Explorer | D
1:58:02 Invoker Gunslinger | A
1:58:24 Invoker Handler | A
1:59:23 Invoker Hunter | D
1:59:51 Invoker Invader | C
2:00:12 Invoker Medic | A
2:00:35 Invoker Summoner | A
Invoker Ritualist (discussed in Ritualist Invoker later on) | S
2:01:04 Medic Alchemist | A
2:01:38 Medic Archon | A
2:02:15 Medic Challenger | A
2:02:25 Medic Engineer | C
2:02:49 Medic Explorer | C
2:03:12 Medic Gunslinger | B
2:03:25 Medic Handler | A
2:03:36 Medic Hunter | B
2:03:46 Medic Invader | C
2:04:07 Medic Invoker | C
2:04:38 Medic Summoner | A
2:05:47 Ritualist Alchemist | C
2:05:47 Ritualist Archon | A
2:06:31 Ritualist Challenger | A
2:06:49 Ritualist Engineer | B
2:07:33 Ritualist Explorer | S
2:07:45 Ritualist Gunslinger | C
2:08:31 Ritualist Handler | C
2:09:12 Ritualist Hunter | C
2:09:26 Ritualist Invader | C
2:09:49 Ritualist Invoker | A
2:10:25 Ritualist Medic | A
2:10:36 Ritualist Summoner | B
2:11:15 Summoner Archon | B
2:12:04 Summoner Alchemist | D
2:12:27 Summoner Challenger | B
2:12:46 Summoner Engineer | B
2:13:01 Summoner Explorer | D
2:13:10 Summoner Gunslinger | D
2:13:16 Summoner Handler | B
2:13:31 Summoner Hunter | D
2:13:34 Summoner Invader | D
2:13:41 Summoner Invoker | D
2:14:19 Summoner Medic | B
2:14:36 Initial Tier List Completion
2:14:56 Chat's Opinion?
2:17:9 Chat: Invader Archon should be A Tier
2:18:36 Invader Archon | B
2:19:43 Chat: Explorer should be C Tier
2:22:36 Ritualist as Secondary Archetype
2:24:01 About the Archetype Combos
2:24:25 Tank Stuff Opinions
2:25:30 Opinions on Aberration modifiers and Beyond Hell Ideas
2:27:44 Wrap Up
2:28:43 Opinion on Balance Patches
2:29:47 Outro
2:30:30 Full Tier List
-- Misc --
1:31:21 What each Tier means (kinda)
Wow, thank you for this comment! Was very much wondering about Ritualist as a secondary heh
None of y'all saw the Vod, so heres the rip of the stream. IM SORRY I INTERRUPT PEOPLE. Its hard! Also we got off-topic and brushed a few archetypes aside and forgot some. I got the full list at the end and in the community tab
Damn I truly am the one guy for once
I have to agree with Bolt on Handler… I managed to complete Hardcore with Handler and was way easier than using any other class… the agro from the dog is awesome!
Yep handler is deffo top teir.
Explorer is so much fun.
It's definitely not an apocalypse competitive class, but you're going to use it, because you get to farm mats.
Also, the first skill reducing stamina cost by 80% is nuts.
Agreed about Challenger with you Phem. That was exactly my situation. I mainly run tempest arbiter now focused on ranged DPS with hot shot. Easy to use, still skill based, and solid damage. Gets me thru apocalypse.
I get ya’lls point on Challenger/Handler being always sub optimal for Primary when solo, but I think they are truly phenomenal in co-op.
The ability to stand yourself back up during the chaos of going for revives (or in the case of Handler, to just effortlessly revive someone via the pup) is literally run saving.
Honestly, all the combo’s you placed in A for Handler/X are easy S in co-op, and something like Challenger/Medic is also going to be up there.
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Ritualist Gunslinger in C crazy. Gunslinger is just such a good secondary archetype due to the additional ammo and fire/reload speed and it really helps your gun’s dps while miasma is doing its thing. It’s my go-to combo for map clearing. Now, Gunslinger Ritualist isn’t good at all, haha
I have solo completed all bosses with hugs in apocalypse, and i dont believe "hugs is king" for a player of my caliber. And my caliber is decent but far from dodging everything with standing dodge.
Yea they provide a maximum potetial in dps but once the mod is over then you need a lot of time to get it back, like 20 or more seconds downtime where your damage is gimbed, and you cant use nebula or any other secondary consistently right with it.
Yea perhaps for boss fights its good but how can you compare that with an archon gunslinger or archon hunter where you pretty much constantly have your mods and the damage is still on par, plus you can do ANYTHING you want with your mods and how you want your damage or survivability to be. On hugs you go critical for damage and survivability maybe 2-3 relic choises or lifesteal that you have to invste half the build to somewhat work.
There is a good video by chaos gaming showing the state of hugs right now.
I find archon the best paring for both hunter and gunslinger, you sacrifise some damage but you get excellent quality of life and all your mods when you need them.
For bosses yea hugs is okish, better if you are a player above my caliber, but for all else its almost unbearable, zero utility and skills/mods on constant cd.
All that for gunplay ofourse.
god content
Handler is easy S tier, top tier for solo and co-op and ya can combo it with any other strong archetype for big damage.
They had better add Survival!
Reboot definitely need to proc on death or something. It really sucks and it's the level 10 skill 🤮
Combo Tierlist explained: 1:31:25
S-Tier: yes, we have builds with them, they are amazing, we know this works
A-Tier: Good, you can make this work. Strong
B-Tier: Some Synergies here, i'll think you can make it work
C-Tier: maybe
D-Tier: dont bother