2006 Honda Pilot All Keys Lost - pick, decode, cut and program
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- 00:00 intro
03:30 lishi hon66 the door
07:23 reading the bitting
10:30 instacode software to confirm bitting
12:25 complete bitting and cut code obtained
12:40 cutting key with xhorse dolphin
13:23 testing freshly cut key in the vehicle
14:15 confirming we have the correct cut code by removing the glovebox latch
15:30 removing the column covers to gain access to lock cylinder
19:00 removing the lock cylinder from the housing
21:30 disassemble the lock cylinder
24:45 removing the old wafers from the lock cylinder
27:45 Found the issue
29:00 replacing all the worn wafers
32:20 reinstalling the lock cylinder and column covers
33:40 programming a new xhorse flip key
36:25 using the Autel im508 to program the keys to the immobilizer system
41:00 programming the remotes to the vehicle
Come along for the humbling experience as I learn how to do an all keys lost Honda Pilot. I didn't have cell phone service or internet available so I decided to lishi the door first using the HON66 lishi. I want to be able to open and decode these locks quickly so it was a great learning experience. Once I picked the door and read the bitting we punched the numbers into instacode to find out if the bitting is valid and fill in any blanks spaces. I found out that the lishi only picks 1-5 position because the 6th position on A and B is always a 1. I made a few errors in the decoding but by eliminating a few positions instacode was able to determine the correct cut for us. The key code ended up being a 0K365 according to instacode. My Xhorse key tool max was unable to cut by code without internet so I am glad the instacode software was able to do it.
After decoding the lock I cut a key blank using the Xhorse dolphin and the keytool max by entering the bitting manually. The key worked perfect in the door and glovebox but failed to operate the ignition. By this time it was getting late and I didn't have the tools required to take apart the ignition switch. I returned the next night to complete the job. This wasn't an issue for the customer since he has several vehicles and rarely leaves his mountain cabin.
Returning the next night with proper tools in hand I removed the lock cylinder from the ignition fully expecting the ignition to be a replacement unit with a different cut code. My plan was to match the cut code of the door. I don't have the special tool to remove the lock cylinder roll pin so I drilled a small hole near the roll pin and used a pick to pry it out of the housing. With the lock cylinder out I notice the lock cylinder cut code matched the cut coded on the glove box and what we decoded from using the lishi on the door. That means we are probably dealing with a worn ignition and not a different cut code.
I disassembled the lock cylinder and found the wafers worn out and one wafer was binding. I replaced all wafers with the ASP pinning kit and reassembled. Everything was working great so I reinstalled the cylinder into the housing and reinstalled the column covers.
With a functioning key and lock cylinder I began the programming process only to find out the Honda remote head key I cut was the incorrect key( there goes $20) so I cut another xhorse blade and programmed another remote. The immobilizer programming work great using the Autel im508. I programmed the keyless entry remotes manually and called the job done. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Am I a locksmith? No
Did I watch this video in it’s entirety? Yes
Do I want to be a locksmith on the weekends now? You bet your ass I do.
Great video! 👍 I love that you included every step and every mishaps. Troubleshooting is my favorite thing to do.
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Nice thorough video showing several methods! Great for learning purposes to have detailed videos! Thank you!
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE .... THAT WAS AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chad...thanks for the real world video. It was really well done, and I learned a lot.
Finally found out the video that shows how to drill out to pull out pin. Thanks
Thanks for uploading this great video, please post more, 🙂
If you drill just a little lower and angle the drill to catch the roll pin with the edge of the drillbit it will catch the roll pin and pop it out. Instead of prying it out.
For the second roll pin you can use an angled 90 degree pic and push out the roll pin and grab it with some pliers.
Also whenever you cut a customer a new key make sure to deburr the new key and make it smooth at the high tip cuts, if not done correctly the wafers will pushup and sieze the lock and disassembly will be required.
Great tips. Thanks for sharing. I have about a 80% success rate with just a key and the other 20% I have to pull the ignition even with deburring.
I have since switched to opening the roll pin slightly with a pick and then using a 1/16” drill bit inside the roll pin. The drill bit will catch the edge of the roll pin and start spinning it. Just back it out while the roll pin is spinning.
Good video. One tip that would have saved you time. Had you taken the cut key blade and put a pair of vise grips on it the first time you put it in the ignition it would have fixed your problem. Everything you did by picking the door lock and taking the glove box lock out to confirm the key code was good. But once you confirmed the code was correct and the key worked in the door and the glove box your job was already done. On the older honda ignitions that use the H001 key blank the new keys get stuck in the ignition making them not turn. this is because one of the worn tumblers is bent or damaged. By taking the new code cut key and using a little force causes the bent tumbler to start working again. Then you will never have that problem again. You need to purchase some Honda H001 Service keys the have a head on the and it is very easy to get the correct amount of force needed to fix your ignition problem. The problem with your flip keys or even the factory keys you cant get the amount of force needed to re seat the tumblers. You only need to do this one time with a service key and then all new and old keys will work perfectly. There was never a need to touch your ignition and remove everything. Had you done what I am telling you the job would have done in seconds. Also. to save even more time your could have purchased the key code on line for about 15 dollars and never had to take anything apart. I know all of this because of being a locksmith for over 35 years. I too was like you and when you don't know the tricks you learn as you go. And for that you deserve an A in my book because you did an excellent job. Net time you come across a honda and the key works everything but the ignition then give my trick a try. I guarantee you will be thanking me. Had you used the Honda Service key it would have kicked over so quickly because you would been able to apply more turning force. Never use your flip keys as test keys. Always cut test kets that have metal heads or keys that sat service key on them. There is a reason they are called service keys.
Job well done. Take care and happy locksmithing.
I'm an automotive locksmith also. I'm still in the beginning where he is decoding the lock. I come from the old days of impressioning. The newer vehicles are becoming more and more complicated. We don't decode we just call in for the key codes but he get he is going through the learning process. When doing this for a living time is money. In my experience Honda's have the worst wafers. Unreal how many go bad. We also won't pull a Honda door lock. The biggest PITA door lock to remove. We do about 100 auto calls per week. Pre pandemic we were doing 120-150. I'm sure you know sometimes it takes 2-3 programmers to find one the car likes. Never a dull moment. We also cut coded keys on a regular key first. Wasting a transponder key will ruin your day. Most of the new stuff is push to start also as you know.
So Kenny, you are saying you can break the offending wafer (or more than 1) with turning force. How many have you forced would you guess?
I don't think you are a very good locksmith, with 35 years of experience, if you think somebody should take a pair of vise grips, and bend a wafer.
Also, if you had any experience recently, you would know that once he had the code from the lock, he would not need to pay for the key code, because he could just put that into the Xhorse dolphin cutter, and it would provide the bitting.
Just because you work in a specific field, does not mean that you have gained experience in everything.
If you spent years cutting keys and installing new door locks, then you might not have any experience in re-pinning a lock.
If I went to a customers home and said that their lock is sticking and it's old, and it probably needs new pins, but to pull out the lock and repaint, it would be one hours cost and a service call to their home which would cost around $250 , or you could just go to Home Depot and buy a new lock and keys and then take out two screws and put the new door lock in yourself for about $30. Most people would take that option so again I'm not degrading anyone I am just saying you might not have the experience.
On the automotive side, do you have to deal with the keyblade, the type of transponder, and then the type of remote programming, as well as how many features the cars have and how many features your remote offers. They might just have lock and unlock and panic however, some vehicles have lock and unlock and panic and remote start an open left side door and open right side door and open the truck.
Plus, there's at least 700 different types of vehicles in a general area where most.
residential home owners have either a quickset or a Schlage lock. If they're very fancy, maybe they have a "best" lock
You cannot compare five or six residential locks to over 700 different car models....
This was a locksmith master class, thank you and greetings from Mexico !
Note to self. Don't lose the freakin key!
Absolutely. Easier to duplicate the key you have now than to decode the locks.
Lol
great video, thanks
im also learning to make and programs key.
AWESOME as always great information and explanation thanks for very enjoyable video learn a lot. cheeeeers
Great work!
Thanks Dan. One lesson after another. As long as I learn from my shortcomings and mistakes I will make progress to mastery.
Very good video!
Well done!
Use your bionic eyeballs to read that code. Also lots of ignition locks get changed because the lock tumblers go bad. Asking your customer if the key they had worked all locks.
The lock housing like to lock up after tumbler removal.
Looks like your on your way to having fun like the rest of us.
Thanks for watching. I had a couple months of nothing but Honda lock cylinder rebuilds so I purchased the special tools to remove the roll pin and haven't done one since.
Great job Chad!!
Thanks Miguel. I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to learn since these Honda ignitions fail so often.
@@ThePracticalMechanic It was nice to watch your thought process and problem solving skills on this one. Key works in the door and glove box but not where it's most important lol (been there).
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This is the exact same thing I am doing with mostly the same equipment - I have done several jobs now and have lots of lishi tools - I have come to the conclusion that if there is a reasonably quick way to pull a cylinder and get the key code it will be more accurate and probably faster than the lishi - I have come up with a way to get some realistic practice - I am going to places that auction cars that have been recked or towed several days before the auction - find out what has keys and what doesn't- make a steel key that works before the auction and when someone buys the car you are there with the key and you can have the transponder key ready to cut if they want it - you know they will if your somewhat reasonable with ur prices.
We need more locksmith videos my friend
Definitely a Nightmare. Great video I did learn a lot. Thanks.
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Thank you very interesting 🤔
Very good.
great!!!
Great learning experience.
The key that he had probably did not work well in the ignition, and he probably got pissed off and chucked it off the mountain to begin with. ;)
Muito top.
I ran into this problem before. most likely they had a really heavy keychain with lots of keychains. tumbler got worn out from all the weight
Grasias
Great video. But i had to pull ignition without a key. How do i reset housing??
Jude... It's great , well explanation and detailed video you have made. How can I get the machines and all stuff for that service. We don't have one in my place in the Pacific islands. We needed that service here cos many cars have gone to the junk yard (scrap metal) for only problem of Car Key Lost.
Another informative video or should I say lesson, may you show us where we can get supplies?
I have accounts with half a dozen different key supply companies.
CLK key supply has a CZcams channel and a wide selection of equipment.
I have not found a single company that has everything I need so I shop around.
UHS hardware, Midwest keyless, key innovation, American key supply
Oh yes - if you get instacode on your phone as long as you have cell service you can get key information - it will save you a trip all the way back to the shop - you will just have to find cell service
It is easier if you just remove the lock for the glove box most of the Honda have a key code on the glove box and also on the lock for the trunk I’ve been Locksmith for 14 years
Thank you Sergio. Yes it is. For the cars I use the trunk lock on the driver floor board. I like to practice with the lishi when I get the chance.
Even with the correct code the worn wafers prevented the ignition from turning.
I am still learning the skills and tricks of the trade for sure. Since locksmithing is probably only 2% of my work I will probably never master it.
@@ThePracticalMechanic do you have a email I can contact you at I have a question about my 99 accord..
You played every well at this worst case senario. How much time total and what is the bill? just curious. haha
The worst part was the 45 minute drive to mountain cabin… twice. I charged around $450 which is typical in my area for an all keys lost situation. I didn’t charge for the extra trip because it was my fault for not being fully equipped on the first visit. I probably had 2-3 hrs but filming takes additional time as well as the troubleshooting key not working properly.
If all keys lost the owner of car can go to dealer request another key done. Why u waste time??? All keys are *computer* cut and programme.
This particular Honda was 100 miles from the closest dealer. The dealer quoted double my rate so they must be different in Colorado. The key would still need to be programmed to vehicle after cutting anyways and a tow to the dealer was going to be expensive since the customer lives on a mountain.
You should have charged at least a 1000 for this much work:
Drive to clients place
Make a key by DECODING cylinder pins via speacial tool and software and then troubleshooting decoding issues after cutting
Reprogram key via computer
Edit: then you had to manually program the remotes.
Correction- You should have charged 1500.
By the way if you cut the key twice it was gonna work.
That part that takes 5 minutes….coding the transponder….stealerships like to charge almost $300 for.
Multi thousand dollar programmers. $50 to $85 to get a key code by phone. Many won't program right away you so try another programmer. They never take 5 minutes. I tell customers like you I didn't make the car, I don't make the keys/fobs and I didn't lose your keys. I am still hundreds cheaper than the dealer.
I am saying the stealerships charge $300. What do you charge?
@@UAL320 We come out to the customer. Trucks, fuel, insurance, phones, advertising, salary etc etc. I'm not avoiding the question but we don't just program keys. We are an emergency auto key service. We don't have a shop so we don't make copies. We originate lost keys. My own car I needed a spare fob. I bought OEM it cost me $189. I had another key to copy the emergency blade but if I didn't I would have had to call for the code which is $50 to $85. Once you get the code you cut it on a a regular key first to make sure it works. You than hook the programmer up to the car and program the key. The dealer can't just program the key as you describe. They need the car also. Some of these multi thousand dollar programmers require multi hundred dollar per year updates. In addition some of them charge what they call a token fee every time you use them usually about $25. Cheaper if you pre pay in bulk. There are so many expenses you don't know or care about. That's why these are so expensive. I didn't design this horrible system but I'm forced to if I want to have a business. So lets do some math. $189 plus $50 for the key code $25 for the token brings us to $264.
Try to find an old copy of genericode from someone. Do a WTB on Clearstar marketplace.
The problem with honda's are the lock system 2003 and up (most models) is the worst lock system in auto history. another thing is the motor in the panel to remote lock the doors go out just as fast. That leave people stuck using the key. This very thing happened to a 2010 CRV I had the other day. Car battery died, and the mechanical lock was toast. No way in but the long reach. and those are the worst. No latch pull, buttons are super stiff. I was able to able to get in with a long reach across the other side. Seriously did not quote enough
just take all the wafers out except 1 or 2. car will still work fine no one will ever know
Not in uk that does not work. On uk civic it does not do shit