This scene is key to understanding more of Carmela. She loves feeling better than others, so as soon as Hunter mentions she is doing great now Carm instantly drops the conversation, because she can no longer pick on Hunter and feel superior because of Hunter's shortcomings. its so gold
Wrong.... Carm likes to brag on her kids and rub it into people's faces how great they are doing. If you don't have an Italian mother then you wouldn't understand. She used to light up when telling people Meadow was going to be a pediatrician because of the salary and status that goes with being a doctor. Lawyers are a dime a dozen but a doctor is something to be proud of. Undoubtedly (if Carmella was real and similar to my mother) she would have researched the salary an above average pediatrician would make because of course she is going to be above average. Around the turn of the century pediatricians started around $100k so a bit above would be $120k or so. She never even entertained the fact that Meadow could become a highly skilled highly sought after litigator. She realized that when $170k got tossed around. It wasn't that she had to feel superior to Hunter but Meadow had to be superior to Hunter. What your kids become as adults reflects directly onto you as a parent. Seems to only be a thing with Italians and the Asian community.
I wasn't impressed with this scene, it was way too obvious - usually they can be at least believably subtle. But Carm just drops the conversation almost rudely when she realizes things are going well lol? It's kind of weird, she's not going to feel competitive with this young woman in school, either for herself or for meadow. And Hunter isn't a looker, I just can't see her bringing out that rudeness in carm so crazily. IDK. It's weird
I love how all the true strong women of the show end up giving Carmela her comeuppance. She talked down to Charmaine, Angie, and even stooped as low enough to insult Hunter, someone half her age, and they all ended up turning their life around. You can tell it makes Carmela sick to her stomach knowing she could never do the same.
@@E.C.2 no one said having children was unimportant. idiot. We're saying Carmela is an insecure women who relied on Tony's blood money for so long that she has no idea how to navigate anything herself yet points the finger just fine when others struggle.
Carmela always hated when a woman became independant and put themselves in position to earn their own money. Here, she realzies that Hunter won't have to latch on to a rich guy to live the good life like Carmela did and of course she immediately becomes jealous and cold to Hunter. What a loser.
Actually it is just as much tony's fault...these mob guys live under this idea that only they can be the breadwinners and or actually work...because if not it's a strike agaisnt their masculinity and pride...that's why all of them (especially in the show) married trophy girlfriends, bimbos, or dingbats with pretty faces...it's far more about stroking their ego's then having a partnership. Ironically the only mob guy who didn't do this was Johnny Sack, who actually loved his wife and didn't care what she looked like. Carmella was tony's trophy wife, he didn't allow her to work or get a job becasue it would insult his ego, and he used her as a trophy/symbol and cheated on her frequently.
@nickys34 You read waaaaay too much into this scene. Carmella was envious because she wanted Meadow to become a doctor and was disappointed when Meadow decided to go to law school instead.
Notice how when she was looking for colleges she ends up looking at places like Berkeley, then Georgetown, then decides to go to Columbia, the closest Ivy League school to her parents house... she did the same with her relationships. Started dating men from far away, then ended up getting engaged to Pat Parisi's son. No matter how much Meadow tried to distance herself from her parents and the Mafia, she'd always end up coming back.
Tbf the dude she ended up with seemed alright. Plus the mafia is becoming less powerfull in the series. She works, unlike Carmella and actually seems to care about people. She also didnt do med school like her parents wanted, she made her own choice by becoming a lawyer. Yes she was defending organized crime at first but if the rumors are true about tony in the last episode she might not think so in the future. With all her short comings ( from her suroundings) id say she still came out alright. Also working in the medical field kinda sucks in America honestly, the work demand is insane
Nah. Carm was supposed to be pretty much a stereotypical shallow housewife. She was a hypocrite who both loved her status due to Tony but resisted her inability to be independent. Tony and Janice had far more in common with Liv.
Carmella is culpable in the deaths of dozens of people by enabling her husband, she is probably scared of going to hell. Seeing other women rise above her is a reminder.
Meadow & Patrick: I see a 30 minute sitcom about 2 career parents raising their family, while wedge between the mafia. Laugh tracks. Uncle Paulie getting bleeped out every 3 seconds.
I think what made Tony light up was the salary offer. He is always thinking about the money and knowing she and Patrick can be comfortable and legit sounded good to him. Patrick is the perfect SIL. He understands the life, but he isn't a part of it.
Carmella is all smiles to see Hunter, thinking she's become a failure after dropping out of college. As usual the jokes on her. Love when that happens.
@@samanthab1923 who knew…Livia and Carmela, the two Italian mob queens would seriously embrace what the Germans call Schadenfreude: joy in the misery of others.
@@ultraheaven8968 Imagine Meadow actually falling in love with Carmine Jr. Him being/good looking, laid back, not agressive, important bosses son, very ALLEGORICAL, and her correcting him, being kinda educated and sht. There should of been spin off with them, comedy, as main characters, it would be enough. :D
Pretty sick how Carmella's face lit up when she said "oh yeah it was right around when you quit college". Edie Falco really nailed both the big and little nuances of her scumbag character!! She and most everyone else in this show for that matter!
I don't think it was being a scumbag. We all know someone who was always an irresponsible joke in life that we weren't afraid to joke about, and they don't really take it seriously since they are lighthearted themselves. Carmella likely knew her since she was a child, and she probably constantly did dumb things at their house, like pissing in the pool or getting in trouble with the neighbors. To find out she is now in a higher station than smarty pants, goodie-two-shoes meadow is hard to hear. If the biggest joke of a person you knew earned a really prestigious title through reform and hardwork, surpassing your daughter who always showed precocious intellect and some maturity, it's hard to feel good about yourself. Especially since she partied, got a DUI, and kicked out of college. But people just like to criticize and make sweeping generalizations about the fictional character rather than reflect on themselves and recognize this behavior inwardly.
Actually it is just as much tony's fault...these mob guys live under this idea that only they can be the breadwinners and or actually work...because if not it's a strike agaisnt their masculinity and pride...that's why all of them (especially in the show) married trophy girlfriends, bimbos, or dingbats with pretty faces...it's far more about stroking their ego's then having a partnership. Ironically the only mob guy who didn't do this was Johnny Sack, who actually loved his wife and didn't care what she looked like. Carmella was tony's trophy wife, he didn't allow her to work or get a job becasue it would insult his ego, and he used her as a trophy/symbol and cheated on her frequently.
@Mckenzie Latham Yeah true but it also came down to Tony not seeing Carmela being more happy and successful than him. Because he's the man of the family he wants to be above them. Carmela getting a regular job in the market was impossible for her, so real estate was her only choice.
donny bravo she hated when it worked for others. Even Junior she destroyed his last chance of being happy with the woman he went Bocca lots of times. Carmella had to ruin that of course. After two sex sessions the teacher found out who she really was.
Tony gets patsy the drink and hands it to him as he is passing by without even looking at patsy. Patsy just takes the drink and looks at tony and sees that tony hated getting him that drink.
Haha yeah you know if they were at the bing patsy would be bringing Ton a drink. Patsy was always taking care of tony with the bialys and the papers and the envelopes. Patsy was a stand up guy come to think of it, his fashion is decent, he pulls off the thin glasses, he pulls off a intimidating look when need be, he’s cold af, and he also looked past the grief with spoons getting clipped. In the end, patsy was still on point with his gun ready during the war with New York, Sil was slipping with his piece in his bag. Patsy did what he could but he had to save his own life to somehow see this right. In the end, Paulie became head honcho with patsy as his consigliere. Patsys kid marries meadow and who knows, maybe in the sopranos prequel, at the end of that series maybe they show Paulie and patsy old af sitting at satriales. But remember this, my face is the last one you’ll see, not Tony’s.
I never got that for some reason. I always wondered why the weird exchange of looks. It was all over “getting someone a refill?” I guess that would prove Tony’s out of control ego. Then again, I guess he is the boss. Is that an “old school” thing?
William You bringing that line up almost seals it to me that Patsy had ordered the hit on Tony. The fact that Patsy himself said this line about Gloria, would end up being what Tony’s ideal ‘death’ comes to be. Not cinematic whatsover in contrast to every other death on the show, just a cut to black.
Meadow also wanted to go to med school and at the end chose law to defend mobsters with a bs racism against italians argument. Carmella saw this, so her blood boiled with rage to learn Hunter, the problematic teenager, is going to be a doctor.
The last time we see Carmela is her peak (Personality speaking). Inner anger/frustration, being the materialistic mob wife in a distinguished marriage.
@@cjdayne3033 However, African Americans served in segregated regiments. It also disputed who first invented the phone. Charles Bourseul, Antonio Meucci, Johann Philipp Reis, Alexander Graham Bell, and Elisha Gray, all have credit
Carmela is delighted to see and hear of misfortune but can't stomach that Hunter is going to be a Doctor and thus above her daughter in the so called class system. The ending scene right at the end is the best. The moment they realised their daughter and son in law are defending corrupt monsters lol
Tony doesn't care about that, he's laughing and patting Carmela on the back after hearing about the money. It's Carmela who's shocked when she realises that Meadow has grown up to be a mob lawyer.
Meadow wanted to be a doctor because she was in denial who her father was. She then used it against him. But somewhere down the line as she got more mature she came to accept her father is in the mafia and the boss and there’s no changing it. That’s why she chose to be a lawyer, if she can’t change him she might as well protect him. It’s not about protecting monsters it’s helping her father and the people around him within the system
Patsy's kid was actually probably the perfect guy for Meadow. He was an attorney and smart and legit but yet had a mobster dad too so he understood that world and wouldn't be judgmental like Finn. Jackie Jr was the same except he was legitimately a moron and Tony wouldn't allow Meadow to date a guy living the gangster life. He wanted her with a college educated professional of some sort.
@@Dennis-gr8ex Well, yeah he was. But that doesn't mean the Parisi kid wasn't because his dad was in organized crime. He just understood the mob culture better and they would fit in in each other's families better because the kids somewhat understand that world.
Meadows first boyfriend - Matched her values & an act of rebellion Meadows second boyfriend - Matched her background, didnt match her intellect or values. Meadows third boyfriend - matched her intellect, didnt match her background Meadows fiance - Matched intellect, background and values
Carmella thinks she is far better than anyone else. It is a northeastern, wealthy mother thing. She likes to brag to all of her friends that her daughter went to an Ivy League educated school. Remember the scene with her and Gloria in the Mercedes. She was bragging that her daughter went to Columbia. When she realizes that another person is doing better, she gets a little jealous. Wonderful acting from Edie Falco.
Also when she treating Charmaine like a servant, using that condescending hand motion, then next day she's bragging about how amazing her life is, which she didn't earn any of it herself. But Charmaine drags her back to reality in under a minute.
My mom and plenty others in her group did the same. The damn near broke out into fist fights anytime one of us got more recognition than the other. When college acceptance letters started coming in...fuggedaboutit.
Patrick Parisi is pretty much what everyone wanted Jackie Jr to be. If he had been anything like him, Finn would have never found his way into the picture and Vito would still be free to blow security guards without recourse.
This whole scene to me feels like a late wake up call for Carmela. First: Seeing her daughters troublesome friend got her shit together by being in medschool and actually being every parents dream child. Second: The chance of her daughter still being successful and independent. And last the most important: Meadow being with someone who is actually her soulmate, being more equal and encouraging never make feel less about herself. These things that Carmela knew she could have had or like that got thrown away for lots of blood money, gifts, big house, crappy marrige that has now become a form of partnership for a spec house. Now its to late for her being the fact that this is the last episode.
I think New York clipped tony in the end to soothe tensions over a boss getting whacked even though they sanctioned it. I think paulie and patsy looked the other way because they had enough of Tony. In the end the only one who wins is patsy, boss of the family, the wealth and legacy of the sopranos in his family line, and he outlived everyone, even Chrissy who he hated also.
@@myparadiseing still reckon NJ was a 'small family' Patsy as Boss with Paulie as Underboss as long as they kicked up what they were meant to and didn't argue then they were okay
Remember that Carmela only decided they would go out to Holsten's that afternoon. Only the immediate family knew they were going there for dinner. EXCEPT for Patrick, who most likely found out from Meadow. That's what makes me think the whole relationship was a ruse from the beginning.
This is low key one of the creepiest scenes of the whole series IMO. So nonchalant, so subtle. But soooo much to it. Even when the characters don't say anything there is so much underlying content in their expressions and demeanors. This scene gives me the chills every time. Especially seeing Patsy so calm and content.
There are so many minute details within this last episode. I’m getting chills as I type this comment thinking about the many many layers to this show. Creepy is the perfect word for it. There’s an atmosphere to several scenes of the Sopranos..this scene..another being the scene when Feech is staring daggers into Tony as the other wise guys yuk it up. It’s wrath. It’s evil. And in this scene we feel it bubbling underneath as the characters maintain normalcy. It’s a wonder to me how effective the production just nails this very real quirk of humanity. We are spiteful vengeful beings.
@AMikeman why you gotta be a prick? Why hasn’t the OP “touched grass” in your mind? Because they commented on a show they liked? Fuck outta here, let people enjoy things.
Carlo flipped and was going to testify against Tony because his son, Jason, got arrested for selling ecstasy. Patsy's son, another Jason, got arrested along with him. It's likely that Tony's at least considering the possibility that Patsy will flip. Patsy knows that and is probably considering whacking Tony first.
Patsy wouldn't kill Tony in front of his Patsy's own daughter-in-law. It would ruin Patsy's life and his family. He had a good thing going. He was respected but not high profile enough to be a target. He was on the fast track to an upper management position given the recent deaths. If he was going to do something like that it would have been years earlier. He considered it but decided not to. Besides, a made guy wouldn't whack another made guy, much less a boss, while he's sitting with his family. That's against one of the few real rules, that families don't get touched.
Paelorian philly got his head shot and ran over in front of his grandchildren. The family rule went out the window there. Paulie and patsy are seen talking about Tony's murder in the strip club. Patsy is obviously Tony's killer just by the way he is introduced in the season finale when tony is saying he has no enemies left to worrie about. In this scene patsy's wife is checking the plates out invisioning her life as bosses wife. Meadow was late to dinner because her and Jason where sorting out birth control. She was not meant to see it go down, the killer was already there b4 she got in the door
Even at the end when Carmella heard what Meadow's potential starting salary was going to be, she could not be happy for her daughter. She mostly just felt it was made clear how much of a waste of space she is, and that she does not measure up to the people she thought were her equals or less. Same with the friend who told her she is a second year in med-school.
this scene is eerie. that stressed exchange between patsy and his wife at 1:15, patsy's wife sounding all nervous and flustered while trying to tell a joke, the looks patsy and tony are giving each other. meanwhile carmela and meadow are just naively laughing like it's a normal happy family gathering
Can you imagine, being a mob boss and The nephew of one of the guys (Patsi's twin brother) you had killed years prior is fixing to marry your daughter.
Notice how Patsy's wife eyes the dinnerware, because she's expecting to inherit it soon. Also note the look Patsy gives Tony, he never forgave Tony for killing his twin brother Spoons. Patsy ordered the hit on Tony.
I agree that the ambiguity of some elements of this scene plays in favor of the death of Tony: there IS something going in this scene, i don't know what.
@@boybillythebutcher4575 Plus when they went to war with New York, Patsi acted so weird. The Italian hitmen told him Phil spoke Ukranian and he didn't find it suspicious and that it maybe the wrong person? He then told Paulie it was all good. That was what led to Silvio and Bacalava getting hit because Jersey didn't realise the mistake in time.
That's total bs. Even if Patsy had been planning to clip Tony at that stage, which is really up to discussion, he would NEVER EVER have told his wife. She's eying the dinnerware because she's nosey and wants to know the brand of the plates the bosses wife eats her meals on, that's all. It's a tiny writer's touch to show her background: wealth ain't natural to her, and Carmelas world must seem glamourous and glittery to her. Besides - as others said -, why would the Parisis inherit anything from Tony?
Hunter is the real life daughter of David Chase. Also, Meadow marrying Patrick was the final nail in Tony's coffin. Patrick and Jason (both of Patsy's sons) would be well aware Tony had their uncle Spoons/Philly clipped. Meadow would learn this soon too. If Tony did not die that night in Holstein's than he did soon after.
@Ross_skatepunx248 I would look at the plate too! I believe the actress is Donna Pescow, who was in Saturday Night Live and the sitcom Angie. It wa good to see her in the show!
Man how Carmela was seething with rage upon Hunter being in med school, and her daughter with all her potential going to follow in her footsteps of just being another mafia wife!
Meadow grew throughout the show. She was a beautiful, impressive and focused young woman and Pat Parisi was already leading a legitimate white collar life. They were a good match, you don’t what you’re talking about. Carmella was in hypocrite to her core. Her affair during the separation was for the advancement of her loser son. Here it’s not enough that her daughters is doing well; her friends must fail. Borderline sociopath.
Carmela couldn't stand that Hunter was moving up in the world and being passive aggressive to her, and by the look on Meadow's face at 0:21 you can tell she knows what carmela is doing
The hand shake, kind of an odd directing choice, no? I've been a teenage girl & an adult woman in the same situation with a respected parent of a friend & it would seem more believable for her to get up & give Carmela a casual, quick hug, but a hand shake? If she were a boy maybe, but just one of those little things. Those "little things" are so infrequently wrong on this show that it stands out when something is.
Isabel Beckerman he knew it was tony, the scene where he contemplated about murdering Gigi and tony at the soprano home before just pissing in his pool says it all
My theory is that Paulie and Patsy approved the hit on Tony Soprano in the finale. New York cuts the head of the snake, gets full control of whats left within New Jersey. Paulie and Patsy are the ones who collaborate with New York and pick up whatever left overs New York grants them in Jersey. Loved every bit of the Sopranos.
@@coolasice3531 I kind of agree although I think Butchie would have gone ahead with it with or without Patsy and Paulie's blessing, their involvement is up to interpretation
Before: Carmela happy to point out hunter was kicked out from college After: Carmela pissed because hunter put herself together and is in med school, the school she wanted for meadow
I have theory, with the way Patsy was looking at Tony when he was obviously showing concern that his son would talk, that he was the one that had Tony killed during all the chaos after NY and all the pending rats. Tony had killed his brother and he could barely let it go, there was no way he was going to let Tony touch his son -- especially with how much power Tony had lost by the end. 1:43
Emp6ft10in Also Patsy came to Paulie with the information rather than Tony. You can tell Tony was pissed off about that. Also Patsy’s wife seemed scared shitless the moment Tony mentioned Jason.
Sorry to tell you this but it was carmine If you watch the scene where butchie gives up the shah of Iran carmine acts like he is leaving with tony then changes direction and goes with butchie It was carmine all along The stupid son
It was neither Patsy nor Carmine. Clearly New York has been taken over by Butchie and he gave the go ahead. He knew his family couldnt be perceived as a side which lost to that pygmy over at Jersey
1:40 is such a weird thing for her to do and for the camera to specifically pan to. It's foreshadowing. 3 fingers for 3 o clock. Which is the direction where Tony would have been shot from at the diner. When Christopher got shot and said he saw hell, he told Tony that Mikey had a message for him "3 o clock."
@@Johnbender It's not a weird thing at all. She's looking at the back of the plate. That's where it tells you what company made it. Is it a cheap knock off or is it super-expensive high-end China? To be honest, I've looked at the back of people's plates out of curiosity, but in this case Patsy's wife is trying to figure out how much money the Sopranos have.
@@gk1961 My theory is that their relationship was a ruse all along, meant to get close to Tony. How else could they have known they were at Holsten's that night?
@@edlawn5481 AJ's girlfriend Rhianna. There's a video about it on YT. The guy makes some compelling points that it was her who let NY know where they were going to be that night. He also refutes that Paulie and Patsy anything to do with it.
Patsy set up Silvio too, he doesn't get shot, he shoots his gun but doesn't hit anyone, and then is allowed to escape. Once Silvio was taken out, Tony lost his last real loyal soldier.
@@travismiles5885 that video is a stretch by a long mile. It connects Rhianna to be blood related to NY mob. Probably the most funny theory out of all. The Patsy theory makes a lot of sense and doesn't sound unrealistic like the Rhianna theory
Haha, fucking Carmela, man. Wanted to hear Hunter was in the gutter and Meadow was doing better. That disappointed face when she was doing well. She's not really that different from Tony :D
Patsy's son and Carlo's were caught by the Feds and Carlo flipped to save his son's ass. Patsy knew that Tony might have him clipped too in order to prevent him from flipping. So, Patsy had him clipped in the ending episode.
Good theory. Tony definitely was clipped. Could of been Patsi. He had more than enough reasons. Also could've been Paulie (thinking that being in charge of construction is a death sentence) or Butch (he gave Tony the nod but he didn't expect Phil to get his head run over)
I vote Patsy. Butchie was too worn out to continue the war and Paulie, although emotional, isn't brave enough to do that plus he knows he is sitting pretty being a capo with Tony.
I don’t think many people realize how significant this scene is in relation to the series finale at Holstens. Patsy learns that Tony knows about his son getting busted for drug dealing. He’s now in mortal peril because Tony will go to any length to avoid another captain turning states evidence.
Theres no indication tody ever had ideas about offing Patsy. In fact he has shown quite a lot of favoritism to Patsy over the years, starting the day he decided to bring him over from Junior's crew.
@@an-cx1ho Yeah the same kind of favoritism when he had his brother whacked, subtly threatened him to get over his grief, and passed him over for promotion.
His son wasn’t busted for anything. It was Carlo’s son who got busted and that’s why in the final scene at Holsten’s (not Holstein’s) he told Carmella that Carlo was going to testify. He was going to give information on Tony to get his son’s case thrown out or reduced.
No way it was Gene Pontecorvos brother who killed Tony. The assassin looked like Gene and was wearing a Members Only jacket. We were deliberately made to forget about Gene and that’s why Tony never acknowledged his death during the rest of season 6
Because Carmela likes to feel superior to other women however when someone who she considers inferior to her, surpasses her she gets jealous. We see this with Meadow's friend who kicked her drug habit and is now in Medical School, with Artie's wife who both runs the restaurant and has slept with Tony prior to Carmela meeting him, with Big Pussy's widow Angie, who was poor after he died but bounced back up as a business woman, and finally with her own daughter Meadow who's studying to become a lawyer. Though she loves her privileged life, Carmela hates that she's not self sufficient like those who have surpassed her. She tried getting rich through the bird feeder money via stocks, but failed. She tried getting rich through her spec house bur failed. Ironically in her attempts to surpass her successful friends and loose her dependency on her husband , her failed attempts were all on Tony's dime. To summaries all this, she's a bitter cunt.
If you notice Patsy’s wife clumsily attempts the joke _twice_ before Patsy finally takes over and tells it. Like the _two_ attempts Meadow makes to parallel park later in the episode before finally succeeding on the third try. These cinematic elements mirror the two attempts on Tony’s life in the series before he is finally killed at the diner (the first when he was shot at by the African American man while walking to his car, the second when Junior shot him on the pancreas). This scene foreshadows that Patsy had Tony executed- he would have known where Tony was eating that night because Meadow is dating his son Patrick.
1:24 Tony said to Patsy: I have your older son, don't try anything like Carlo or He is going to meet your deth brother. Or maybe you going. 1:45 The way Patsy looked Tony. No, you going to see him. This is so brilliant scene. All the time Patsy is nervous. He know that Tony is already death. He want to protect son. I just don't know what Tony think? Tony warned him of course.
Tony's no threat to Jason - Jason wasn't in a position to rat Tony out on anything - best he could give the Fed's is hearsay. The warning was to Patsy not to flip like Carlo trying to save his son.
+rarecoolitems Also, the doctor tells the horse that it has been out to pasture for a long time and didn't hear that the doctor doesn't shine shoes anymore.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I see Tony serving Patsy his drink as a sign of things to come involving shifting power structures: Those who serve will now be served - Patsy would be the one to take over the family after the show fades to black and Tony dies - Patsy and Paulie are the only top guys left and Paulie has always been a follower. It should also be noted that the show has always been about Tony's two families and Daddies little girl Meadow is making the transition to become part of Patsys' family foreshadowing that the Soprano name and dynasty will become second tier to that of Parisi.
D G Paulie was always superstitious of responsibility like when he turned down the construction racket job Tony offered him after Gigi died. Paulie was never an earner or business man type but just a two bit hustler and leech. I highly doubt he would have been respected enough or even be willing to step up as boss if it was offered to him. Patsy would be the best choice now that Christopher is dead and Silvio still recovering from being shot in the war.
@D G Paulie was only big with Johnny Sac who he snitched on New Jersey with. But remember Carmine Lupertazzi Sr didn't even know ho the heck he was after all the dirt he did for NY. Paulie only rose through the ranks through old age and just being there. His best earning happened in comedic attempts at heists like the Colombian drug dealers raid. Nothing ever went on smoothly when he was involved in a field mission. All he really had was Little Paulie doing his dirty work. I reckon Little Paulie would be a better boss than Walnuts. Only thing Paulie had going on was knowing how to stay alive in the mob for himself but he couldn't inspire a big group of men. Sopranos crew after the war would have been decimated anyway. The final captains towards the end where Carlo (an informant), Bobby (dead), Paulie (screwed up in the head and too old) and Sylvio (critically injured). All the guys with talent died out of Tony's ego- Ralphie, Christopher, Eugene. Gigi would have been a good boss if he was still alive. The war truce was made and from then on Patsy would have been fine. Both sides tried to kill each other including Tony Soprano himself. I also think Patsi was just a bystander and the hit was really targeted on Sylvio who was number 2 at the time. Patsi is the more shrewd guy than Paulie. Look how he raised his kid into being a top lawyer and has a stable home life. Gets into no unnecessary beefs but still has balls to be aggressive when needed. Knows his brother was axed by Tony but made his peace with the dangers of their way of life.
it was about patsi becoming a part of the "real" family, patsi gaining more power, he wasnt just a soldier anymore, without the wedding tony wouldve never served patsi a drink
170k in New York is nothing. Do the math conversion of 170k in NYC versus other states where the standard of living is more reasonable. 170k is really closer to 100k in other states.
She had also been volunteering at the poverty law center since she was an undergrad. That experience, coupled with grades and connections, can definitely snag you a salary like that.
2:09 good god Carmela looks like her hearts been crush lol like I wish I had a man that treated me like that 😂😂😂😂 she know she made her bed and has to sleep in it for life
bam3108 Tony was his mother who marries his mother. Oh poor you, he made you feel special. That was Livia talking. Tony was like a Satriale Sandwich in the middle. Very sick stuff.
This scene is key to understanding more of Carmela. She loves feeling better than others, so as soon as Hunter mentions she is doing great now Carm instantly drops the conversation, because she can no longer pick on Hunter and feel superior because of Hunter's shortcomings. its so gold
also, bc Hunter studies Medicine now, which Carm always wanted for Meadow... ;-)
Wrong.... Carm likes to brag on her kids and rub it into people's faces how great they are doing. If you don't have an Italian mother then you wouldn't understand. She used to light up when telling people Meadow was going to be a pediatrician because of the salary and status that goes with being a doctor. Lawyers are a dime a dozen but a doctor is something to be proud of. Undoubtedly (if Carmella was real and similar to my mother) she would have researched the salary an above average pediatrician would make because of course she is going to be above average. Around the turn of the century pediatricians started around $100k so a bit above would be $120k or so. She never even entertained the fact that Meadow could become a highly skilled highly sought after litigator. She realized that when $170k got tossed around. It wasn't that she had to feel superior to Hunter but Meadow had to be superior to Hunter. What your kids become as adults reflects directly onto you as a parent. Seems to only be a thing with Italians and the Asian community.
Walt wittmen ovahere
I wasn't impressed with this scene, it was way too obvious - usually they can be at least believably subtle. But Carm just drops the conversation almost rudely when she realizes things are going well lol? It's kind of weird, she's not going to feel competitive with this young woman in school, either for herself or for meadow. And Hunter isn't a looker, I just can't see her bringing out that rudeness in carm so crazily. IDK. It's weird
@@robertschumann7737Carmela isn't italian, just a bitch like your mother
Horse goes to the doctor, Ralph kills him.
What are you, a vegetarian? You eat beef and sausage by the fucking cartload!
No he did not, but SO WHAT!!
IT WAS A FUCKIN HORSE!!!
What are you, a fuckin arson investigator now? They said it was an accident!
THE HORSE IS SICK
🤦🏽♂️😂
I love that ugly look on carmela’s face when she realized Hunter was a better person, shit is just pure justice
And the funny look at the end when she realises her daughter is going to have a better marriage than she did.
Hunter was always from a better place. She stumbled & picked herself up. On the first episode she talks about going to Aspen for Christmas!
I partied with Hunter when she was...between schools.
Mad oral skillz!
@@joshuaizly5502 how do you know how good their marriage will be? Unless you can predict the future you have no basis to say that.
@@southsidesaiyan8641 i guess he saying that because patrick is treating her so well and loves her
Hunter pulled the reverse UNO card on Carmela 😂
That scene was damn satisfying to watch
LOL. great analogy.
Wow that literally made me laugh. Great reference
tony married his mother. carmela is a jealous spiteful c**t. she’s only is up
when others are down.
I reckon Hunter fuked Brendan
This scene is so awkward. Tony trying to make small talk like he and Patsy are normal people.
The way Patsy's wife observes the house during the silences, knowing full well where the money came from.
Patsy had tony killed
how else do you do small talk?
@@Floridaburg- with paulie
@@Floridaburg- tony was never killed
I love how all the true strong women of the show end up giving Carmela her comeuppance. She talked down to Charmaine, Angie, and even stooped as low enough to insult Hunter, someone half her age, and they all ended up turning their life around. You can tell it makes Carmela sick to her stomach knowing she could never do the same.
She was always a ZERO. Clung to her role as Mafia Princess like grim death.
Having children is more important than all of you feminist "career women" put together.
You all are ignorant
@@E.C.2 no one said having children was unimportant. idiot. We're saying Carmela is an insecure women who relied on Tony's blood money for so long that she has no idea how to navigate anything herself yet points the finger just fine when others struggle.
@@viciousspike9094 No one is "strong."
It's either God's will or not in any situation.
Remember that Son.
@@E.C.2 is that what the invisible man in the sky told you? Jesus you people are a bunch of fucking wackjobs.
Carmela always hated when a woman became independant and put themselves in position to earn their own money. Here, she realzies that Hunter won't have to latch on to a rich guy to live the good life like Carmela did and of course she immediately becomes jealous and cold to Hunter. What a loser.
Tony C It could not have been better. She was also totally jealous when pussys wife got her own car and her workshop runs well.
Actually it is just as much tony's fault...these mob guys live under this idea that only they can be the breadwinners and or actually work...because if not it's a strike agaisnt their masculinity and pride...that's why all of them (especially in the show) married trophy girlfriends, bimbos, or dingbats with pretty faces...it's far more about stroking their ego's then having a partnership.
Ironically the only mob guy who didn't do this was Johnny Sack, who actually loved his wife and didn't care what she looked like.
Carmella was tony's trophy wife, he didn't allow her to work or get a job becasue it would insult his ego, and he used her as a trophy/symbol and cheated on her frequently.
She's envious on behalf of Meadow because Meadow is giving up on being a pediatrician.
@nickys34 You read waaaaay too much into this scene. Carmella was envious because she wanted Meadow to become a doctor and was disappointed when Meadow decided to go to law school instead.
nickys34 you’d rather lose our Democracy rather then vote for a Democrat??
Notice how when she was looking for colleges she ends up looking at places like Berkeley, then Georgetown, then decides to go to Columbia, the closest Ivy League school to her parents house... she did the same with her relationships. Started dating men from far away, then ended up getting engaged to Pat Parisi's son. No matter how much Meadow tried to distance herself from her parents and the Mafia, she'd always end up coming back.
Very keen observation
Just like janice
very allegorical
She only felt comfort in the environment she tried to get out of. Instead of getting out of her comfort zone she came back.
Tbf the dude she ended up with seemed alright. Plus the mafia is becoming less powerfull in the series. She works, unlike Carmella and actually seems to care about people. She also didnt do med school like her parents wanted, she made her own choice by becoming a lawyer. Yes she was defending organized crime at first but if the rumors are true about tony in the last episode she might not think so in the future. With all her short comings ( from her suroundings) id say she still came out alright. Also working in the medical field kinda sucks in America honestly, the work demand is insane
To be honest Carmella and her mother-in-law had more in common than most people would like to think!!!!
How so
They were both married to mobsters. Livia would of made Caporegime if she was born after those feminists.
Nah. Carm was supposed to be pretty much a stereotypical shallow housewife. She was a hypocrite who both loved her status due to Tony but resisted her inability to be independent. Tony and Janice had far more in common with Liv.
I dont see it, poor little Carmello had no fight left in her by the end, it fell upon Patsy to whack the sonofabitch
I think you should add another exclamation point!!!!!!!!
wow look at Carmilla's face change once she hears about Hunter and med school
It was priceless. Especially considering she enjoyed insulting Hunter about her past.
She did the same thing when Angie turned out to be doing well. Carmela can’t be happy for anyone and has to always try and one-up.
@@Chinchilla2310 Mrs. Tony Soprano indeed.
Fake bitch
She hates being reminded of how unaccomplished she really is
"But that was always you"
Good God what a thing to say lol she hated seeing women overcome their adversity
ATLiens yee
Ikr? Any normal parent would have been absolutely thrilled for Hunter and her turn around.
Carmella is culpable in the deaths of dozens of people by enabling her husband, she is probably scared of going to hell. Seeing other women rise above her is a reminder.
Women? Lol ffs
Meadow & Patrick: I see a 30 minute sitcom about 2 career parents raising their family, while wedge between the mafia. Laugh tracks. Uncle Paulie getting bleeped out every 3 seconds.
Wonderful idea. Wish they made it
and Paulie gets an extended audience applause every time he appears like when he was on the Tony Danza show.
Hell, I'd watch the shit out that show for real.
holy shit i could actually see that happening
Randall- that is hilarious.....great idea!!!!
Tony: Proud and happy to see his daughter is doing big things and has a good guy who loves her.
Carmella: Jealousy
No...Meadow is becoming a lawyer to represent mobsters. Carmella hates that. Tony obviously likes it. I think you missed the point here..
I think you missed the point mate.
I think what made Tony light up was the salary offer. He is always thinking about the money and knowing she and Patrick can be comfortable and legit sounded good to him. Patrick is the perfect SIL. He understands the life, but he isn't a part of it.
The Writer of This Episode Nailed the Weird Shit between A Mom and Daughter
Tony is such a great guy!
“Don’t devalue yourself” is probably the sweetest reprimand I’ve heard in a while.
Carmella is all smiles to see Hunter, thinking she's become a failure after dropping out of college. As usual the jokes on her. Love when that happens.
Just like Livia. Taking pleasure in others misfortune. Especially if you can gloat
@@samanthab1923 who knew…Livia and Carmela, the two Italian mob queens would seriously embrace what the Germans call Schadenfreude: joy in the misery of others.
Sure, he's a successful lawyer - but does Patsy's son have nine films under his subspecies?
No , but he's very allegorical
@@ultraheaven8968 Imagine Meadow actually falling in love with Carmine Jr. Him being/good looking, laid back, not agressive, important bosses son, very ALLEGORICAL, and her correcting him, being kinda educated and sht. There should of been spin off with them, comedy, as main characters, it would be enough. :D
two in the south beach trumpet series alone
@@ultraheaven8968 good observation - the sacred and the propane
@@mikef6063 *South Beach Strumpets
Pretty sick how Carmella's face lit up when she said "oh yeah it was right around when you quit college". Edie Falco really nailed both the big and little nuances of her scumbag character!! She and most everyone else in this show for that matter!
I don't think it was being a scumbag. We all know someone who was always an irresponsible joke in life that we weren't afraid to joke about, and they don't really take it seriously since they are lighthearted themselves. Carmella likely knew her since she was a child, and she probably constantly did dumb things at their house, like pissing in the pool or getting in trouble with the neighbors. To find out she is now in a higher station than smarty pants, goodie-two-shoes meadow is hard to hear. If the biggest joke of a person you knew earned a really prestigious title through reform and hardwork, surpassing your daughter who always showed precocious intellect and some maturity, it's hard to feel good about yourself. Especially since she partied, got a DUI, and kicked out of college. But people just like to criticize and make sweeping generalizations about the fictional character rather than reflect on themselves and recognize this behavior inwardly.
Carmella hated other people making it as she was a big zero herself. Her job was ripping Tony off and complain.
Actually it is just as much tony's fault...these mob guys live under this idea that only they can be the breadwinners and or actually work...because if not it's a strike agaisnt their masculinity and pride...that's why all of them (especially in the show) married trophy girlfriends, bimbos, or dingbats with pretty faces...it's far more about stroking their ego's then having a partnership.
Ironically the only mob guy who didn't do this was Johnny Sack, who actually loved his wife and didn't care what she looked like.
Carmella was tony's trophy wife, he didn't allow her to work or get a job becasue it would insult his ego, and he used her as a trophy/symbol and cheated on her frequently.
Couldn't have said it any better LoL
@Mckenzie Latham Yeah true but it also came down to Tony not seeing Carmela being more happy and successful than him. Because he's the man of the family he wants to be above them. Carmela getting a regular job in the market was impossible for her, so real estate was her only choice.
Parenting kids?
donny bravo she hated when it worked for others. Even Junior she destroyed his last chance of being happy with the woman he went Bocca lots of times. Carmella had to ruin that of course. After two sex sessions the teacher found out who she really was.
Tony gets patsy the drink and hands it to him as he is passing by without even looking at patsy. Patsy just takes the drink and looks at tony and sees that tony hated getting him that drink.
Cause this, this is another family and another rules. In the other one Patsy have to give it to him.
Haha yeah you know if they were at the bing patsy would be bringing Ton a drink. Patsy was always taking care of tony with the bialys and the papers and the envelopes. Patsy was a stand up guy come to think of it, his fashion is decent, he pulls off the thin glasses, he pulls off a intimidating look when need be, he’s cold af, and he also looked past the grief with spoons getting clipped. In the end, patsy was still on point with his gun ready during the war with New York, Sil was slipping with his piece in his bag. Patsy did what he could but he had to save his own life to somehow see this right. In the end, Paulie became head honcho with patsy as his consigliere. Patsys kid marries meadow and who knows, maybe in the sopranos prequel, at the end of that series maybe they show Paulie and patsy old af sitting at satriales. But remember this, my face is the last one you’ll see, not Tony’s.
@@francoochoa3176 It won't be cinematic
I never got that for some reason. I always wondered why the weird exchange of looks. It was all over “getting someone a refill?”
I guess that would prove Tony’s out of control ego. Then again, I guess he is the boss. Is that an “old school” thing?
William You bringing that line up almost seals it to me that Patsy had ordered the hit on Tony. The fact that Patsy himself said this line about Gloria, would end up being what Tony’s ideal ‘death’ comes to be. Not cinematic whatsover in contrast to every other death on the show, just a cut to black.
Meadow also wanted to go to med school and at the end chose law to defend mobsters with a bs racism against italians argument. Carmella saw this, so her blood boiled with rage to learn Hunter, the problematic teenager, is going to be a doctor.
The last time we see Carmela is her peak (Personality speaking). Inner anger/frustration, being the materialistic mob wife in a distinguished marriage.
Not BS ! Don’t forget more Italians served in WW2 than any other ethnic group plus they invented the telephone and got no credit at all for it
@@cjdayne3033 However, African Americans served in segregated regiments. It also disputed who first invented the phone. Charles Bourseul, Antonio Meucci, Johann Philipp Reis, Alexander Graham Bell, and Elisha Gray, all have credit
@@aaronlewis2501 cant tell if you get the reference or its lost on you............
@@k.t.1641 The dinner scene after the feds raided the sopranos home. I get it! Still a stupid comment that needed correction
Carmela is delighted to see and hear of misfortune but can't stomach that Hunter is going to be a Doctor and thus above her daughter in the so called class system. The ending scene right at the end is the best. The moment they realised their daughter and son in law are defending corrupt monsters lol
Tony doesn't care about that, he's laughing and patting Carmela on the back after hearing about the money.
It's Carmela who's shocked when she realises that Meadow has grown up to be a mob lawyer.
Meadow wanted to be a doctor because she was in denial who her father was. She then used it against him. But somewhere down the line as she got more mature she came to accept her father is in the mafia and the boss and there’s no changing it. That’s why she chose to be a lawyer, if she can’t change him she might as well protect him. It’s not about protecting monsters it’s helping her father and the people around him within the system
@@JL-rx7oubut hes dead
Was this ever confirmed?
@@benjaminansuh5509
the look on carmela’s face @2:09 when jason tells meadow not to “devalue herself” is pure comedy.
She keeps that face for the rest of the scene after 😂
It’s actually quite sad. Carmela can’t even imagine what it’s like to have a partner who respects and uplifts her
total confusion. The idea is alien to her.
Shes happy for her which is good to see
Her acting was phenomenal
@@JamesCarter1998 Sopranos comment section is about the last place I would expect to see the Wisdom of Emond's Field XD
Patsy's kid was actually probably the perfect guy for Meadow. He was an attorney and smart and legit but yet had a mobster dad too so he understood that world and wouldn't be judgmental like Finn.
Jackie Jr was the same except he was legitimately a moron and Tony wouldn't allow Meadow to date a guy living the gangster life. He wanted her with a college educated professional of some sort.
By judgemental you mean: Finn was a decent human being..
@@Dennis-gr8ex Well, yeah he was. But that doesn't mean the Parisi kid wasn't because his dad was in organized crime. He just understood the mob culture better and they would fit in in each other's families better because the kids somewhat understand that world.
@@STONESGAM Wasn't he also one of those jerks that AJ hung around with? Beating up that black kid on the bicycle?
@@Dennis-gr8ex No, I think that was Carlo's kid. He was younger like AJ's age. The kid Meadow dated was in his later 20's and already an attorney.
@@Dennis-gr8ex Nah that was patsy’s other son
Tony: "We'll have to have a pool party in the summer!" Patsy: "Uhhh - yeah - sure..."
🤣
Patsy pissed in that pool. Plus the way Tony offered was more of a threat to Patsy's family.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 spoons pissed in his pool his twin
@@MA-ko2pu lol what philly was dead that’s why patsy did it in the first place cos tony ordered his brother killed
@T P That was Tony B's twins. ;-)
Carmela trying to flex out her "oh last time I saw you.... OH WHEN YOU QUIT COLLEGE"
And it miserably backfired on her
Meadows first boyfriend - Matched her values & an act of rebellion
Meadows second boyfriend - Matched her background, didnt match her intellect or values.
Meadows third boyfriend - matched her intellect, didnt match her background
Meadows fiance - Matched intellect, background and values
All of Meadows boyfriends = guys she wouldn't give a second glance in real life.
She would give Jackie Jr a second glance, as women go for dumb douchebags like him.
Agreed lol. He's a pretty boy badass douchebag which makes him a more than one time threat.
Good observation
@D G Are we talking about the actress or the character?
Carmella thinks she is far better than anyone else. It is a northeastern, wealthy mother thing. She likes to brag to all of her friends that her daughter went to an Ivy League educated school. Remember the scene with her and Gloria in the Mercedes. She was bragging that her daughter went to Columbia. When she realizes that another person is doing better, she gets a little jealous. Wonderful acting from Edie Falco.
M K as every well off housemom
The mothers gotta be proud of what they can’t get a refund on what can u expect. That’s why u just gotta pay tribute to ur mom and dad
Also when she treating Charmaine like a servant, using that condescending hand motion, then next day she's bragging about how amazing her life is, which she didn't earn any of it herself. But Charmaine drags her back to reality in under a minute.
My mom and plenty others in her group did the same. The damn near broke out into fist fights anytime one of us got more recognition than the other. When college acceptance letters started coming in...fuggedaboutit.
A little jealous? Very jealous and passive aggressive too. She's a spoiled non-violent and pious version of Tony Soprano.
Patrick Parisi is pretty much what everyone wanted Jackie Jr to be. If he had been anything like him, Finn would have never found his way into the picture and Vito would still be free to blow security guards without recourse.
Dude enough, Vito was JOKING. Did you guys even watch the show?
@@SweaterSwagg Right. Say hi to the wife for me.
@@SweaterSwaggVito "the comedian" spatafore
This whole scene to me feels like a late wake up call for Carmela.
First: Seeing her daughters troublesome friend got her shit together by being in medschool and actually being every parents dream child.
Second: The chance of her daughter still being successful and independent.
And last the most important: Meadow being with someone who is actually her soulmate, being more equal and encouraging never make feel less about herself.
These things that Carmela knew she could have had or like that got thrown away for lots of blood money, gifts, big house, crappy marrige that has now become a form of partnership for a spec house. Now its to late for her being the fact that this is the last episode.
I think New York clipped tony in the end to soothe tensions over a boss getting whacked even though they sanctioned it. I think paulie and patsy looked the other way because they had enough of Tony. In the end the only one who wins is patsy, boss of the family, the wealth and legacy of the sopranos in his family line, and he outlived everyone, even Chrissy who he hated also.
NY always looked down on NJ. With Tony out NJ got demoted to a crew and paid tribute to NY.
@@myparadiseing still reckon NJ was a 'small family' Patsy as Boss with Paulie as Underboss as long as they kicked up what they were meant to and didn't argue then they were okay
Parisi collaborated with NY to have Soprano killed...who do you think took over after that....Parisi!!!
@@felipeacostamunoz1249 Especially after this scene where it appeared Tony might try to kill Patsy
Remember that Carmela only decided they would go out to Holsten's that afternoon. Only the immediate family knew they were going there for dinner. EXCEPT for Patrick, who most likely found out from Meadow. That's what makes me think the whole relationship was a ruse from the beginning.
Glad Tony didn't get upset and run out of the house with that horse joke.
Or turn into house 😆
LMAO
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LOSE A PET!
1:46....the look between Tony and Patsy, “here’s your fuckin’ drink. Don’t piss it in my pool”.
LOOOOOOOOOL xD
Patsy already knew about NY will hit Tony , that’s the look when he took the glass
Tony was def happy that his future son-in-law wouldn't mind defending him in a court of law one day lol
Always looking to get something for free. Did you see him light up when Meadows future salary would be?
This is low key one of the creepiest scenes of the whole series IMO. So nonchalant, so subtle. But soooo much to it. Even when the characters don't say anything there is so much underlying content in their expressions and demeanors. This scene gives me the chills every time. Especially seeing Patsy so calm and content.
There are so many minute details within this last episode. I’m getting chills as I type this comment thinking about the many many layers to this show. Creepy is the perfect word for it. There’s an atmosphere to several scenes of the Sopranos..this scene..another being the scene when Feech is staring daggers into Tony as the other wise guys yuk it up. It’s wrath. It’s evil. And in this scene we feel it bubbling underneath as the characters maintain normalcy. It’s a wonder to me how effective the production just nails this very real quirk of humanity. We are spiteful vengeful beings.
you people gotta relax. You're getting "chills" for a two minute scene. My god touch grass.
@@AMikeman 😂
@AMikeman why you gotta be a prick? Why hasn’t the OP “touched grass” in your mind? Because they commented on a show they liked? Fuck outta here, let people enjoy things.
This is the scene where Patsy decided he was gonna have Tony whacked, which he did
Fun fact: the actress who plays Hunter was David Chase's daughter.
Madone I didnt know that.
I was wondering how she was so ugly but still got herself a role on the Sopranos. Makes sense now.
@@funnybot4605 she is not that ugly
@@alvarorojas5515 eh, just like beauty, ugly is in the eye of the beholder.
Fun fact: Nobody gives a shit
Thanks for posting this. It's making me seriously consider the whole "Patsy killed Tony" idea
can you explain the look Patsy gives tony?
Carlo flipped and was going to testify against Tony because his son, Jason, got arrested for selling ecstasy. Patsy's son, another Jason, got arrested along with him. It's likely that Tony's at least considering the possibility that Patsy will flip. Patsy knows that and is probably considering whacking Tony first.
Bill Brennan It was all Paulie.
Patsy wouldn't kill Tony in front of his Patsy's own daughter-in-law. It would ruin Patsy's life and his family. He had a good thing going. He was respected but not high profile enough to be a target. He was on the fast track to an upper management position given the recent deaths. If he was going to do something like that it would have been years earlier. He considered it but decided not to. Besides, a made guy wouldn't whack another made guy, much less a boss, while he's sitting with his family. That's against one of the few real rules, that families don't get touched.
Paelorian philly got his head shot and ran over in front of his grandchildren. The family rule went out the window there. Paulie and patsy are seen talking about Tony's murder in the strip club. Patsy is obviously Tony's killer just by the way he is introduced in the season finale when tony is saying he has no enemies left to worrie about. In this scene patsy's wife is checking the plates out invisioning her life as bosses wife. Meadow was late to dinner because her and Jason where sorting out birth control. She was not meant to see it go down, the killer was already there b4 she got in the door
Even at the end when Carmella heard what Meadow's potential starting salary was going to be, she could not be happy for her daughter. She mostly just felt it was made clear how much of a waste of space she is, and that she does not measure up to the people she thought were her equals or less. Same with the friend who told her she is a second year in med-school.
this scene is eerie. that stressed exchange between patsy and his wife at 1:15, patsy's wife sounding all nervous and flustered while trying to tell a joke, the looks patsy and tony are giving each other. meanwhile carmela and meadow are just naively laughing like it's a normal happy family gathering
It is a normal family gathering
Imagine being a mob boss and The nephew of one of the guys (Patsi's twin brother) you had killed years prior is fixing to marry your daughter.
It wasnt personal, just business
@@tintocherian7715 Is anything more personal than family business?
I'd rather be selling patio furniture on Rt 22
Well, tbh he killed his nephew and thinked about doing the same with his mother and uncle, so this is more like a fun fact
Can you imagine, being a mob boss and The nephew of one of the guys (Patsi's twin brother) you had killed years prior is fixing to marry your daughter.
Finally Patsy has taken up on Tony's offer, bringing Patrick over, getting something to eat, kids can go in the pool.
The gene pool anyway
Then later Patsy can take a piss in the pool.
@@westham118 Killed it
Patsy can "go" in the pool win win for everybody
This is such a great scene, that has so many details, and shows why The Sopranos is one of the greatest shows in Television.
Watching Carm be threatened by independent women was always a fun part of the show
Notice how Patsy's wife eyes the dinnerware, because she's expecting to inherit it soon. Also note the look Patsy gives Tony, he never forgave Tony for killing his twin brother Spoons. Patsy ordered the hit on Tony.
I agree that the ambiguity of some elements of this scene plays in favor of the death of Tony: there IS something going in this scene, i don't know what.
@@boybillythebutcher4575 Plus when they went to war with New York, Patsi acted so weird. The Italian hitmen told him Phil spoke Ukranian and he didn't find it suspicious and that it maybe the wrong person? He then told Paulie it was all good. That was what led to Silvio and Bacalava getting hit because Jersey didn't realise the mistake in time.
You got that from her looking at the dinnerware? Hmmm never saw that. How does Patsy have the power to order a hit on the boss??
2jw They were wrong. Why would Patsy's wife inherit anything from the Sopranos? She turned the plate over to see the name because she's nosey
That's total bs. Even if Patsy had been planning to clip Tony at that stage, which is really up to discussion, he would NEVER EVER have told his wife.
She's eying the dinnerware because she's nosey and wants to know the brand of the plates the bosses wife eats her meals on, that's all. It's a tiny writer's touch to show her background: wealth ain't natural to her, and Carmelas world must seem glamourous and glittery to her.
Besides - as others said -, why would the Parisis inherit anything from Tony?
Hunter is the real life daughter of David Chase. Also, Meadow marrying Patrick was the final nail in Tony's coffin. Patrick and Jason (both of Patsy's sons) would be well aware Tony had their uncle Spoons/Philly clipped. Meadow would learn this soon too. If Tony did not die that night in Holstein's than he did soon after.
Carmella throws shade at Hunter and than Hunter throws a nuclear 💣 @Carmella
😂😂😂
I love Mrs. Parisi checking out the plates.
@Ross_skatepunx248 I would look at the plate too! I believe the actress is Donna Pescow, who was in Saturday Night Live and the sitcom Angie. It wa good to see her in the show!
Any woman making something of herself riles Carmela up something shocking. It's tragic, pathetic and kind of hilarious.
Look how Carmella's face changed when Patrick told Meadow not to devalue herself.
This is the best scene. I love how defeated Carmela looked. She always thought she was so much better than everyone else..
This is basically 2:15 of Carmela being livid at other people being successful and independent in life.
This show gets deeper and deeper the more I watch these clips. And I've been watching and re-watching for years
Man how Carmela was seething with rage upon Hunter being in med school, and her daughter with all her potential going to follow in her footsteps of just being another mafia wife!
Yeah meadow is going to law school plus she interns at some law office, and patsys son isn’t a mobster
You never watched the show I guess...
I believe she going to be a lawyer.
@Jon Birch I wasn't speaking for anyone else asshole.
Meadow grew throughout the show. She was a beautiful, impressive and focused young woman and Pat Parisi was already leading a legitimate white collar life. They were a good match, you don’t what you’re talking about.
Carmella was in hypocrite to her core. Her affair during the separation was for the advancement of her loser son. Here it’s not enough that her daughters is doing well; her friends must fail. Borderline sociopath.
Did anyone else notice the look patchy give Tony? When I paused it he’s looking up at Tony with pure disdain
The RightStuff you’re right. Payback for his brother.
Patches.
Imagine Med in MED school giving meds to med patience
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Tony: If you gonna go medichal shool, you better get me some medsh". END OF SUBJECT. Make a prescripshtion too! All legal, no shrouble!
Damn Bartolome!...everything but landing the dismount...it should be patient's not patience...9.5 (8.8 from the East German judge)
It's a shame we never got to see Meadow's wedding, Tony would have loved it.
Carmela couldn't stand that Hunter was moving up in the world and being passive aggressive to her, and by the look on Meadow's face at 0:21 you can tell she knows what carmela is doing
The interplay between Tony and Patsy over that drink is hilarious.
The hand shake, kind of an odd directing choice, no?
I've been a teenage girl & an adult woman in the same situation with a respected parent of a friend & it would seem
more believable for her to get up & give Carmela a casual, quick hug, but a hand shake?
If she were a boy maybe, but just one of those little things.
Those "little things" are so infrequently wrong on this show that it stands out when something is.
quite fitting that the Parisi family marry into the sopranos especially since Spoons got clipped.
Isabel Beckerman he knew it was tony, the scene where he contemplated about murdering Gigi and tony at the soprano home before just pissing in his pool says it all
Hunter is David Chase daughter in real life. And Hunter was 🔥
All that speed hunter took for her exams paid off
Carm: Miss Hunter! Last time I saw you you dropped out of college 😃
Hunter: I'm in my second year of med school
Carm: 😐
Is funny how Tony and patsy hated each other guts but are basically stuck with each other at work and now at family lol.
My theory is that Paulie and Patsy approved the hit on Tony Soprano in the finale. New York cuts the head of the snake, gets full control of whats left within New Jersey. Paulie and Patsy are the ones who collaborate with New York and pick up whatever left overs New York grants them in Jersey. Loved every bit of the Sopranos.
In this show, it didn't matter if you hated someone or "loved" them, the only person who mattered was you.
@@coolasice3531 I kind of agree although I think Butchie would have gone ahead with it with or without Patsy and Paulie's blessing, their involvement is up to interpretation
I know I would love to know how things went in future years between Tony and Patsy
@@robertpreston2220 Tony was killed by Patsy
Before: Carmela happy to point out hunter was kicked out from college
After: Carmela pissed because hunter put herself together and is in med school, the school she wanted for meadow
Tony fishing information on Carlo's son to see if Carlo flipped on him. Always got his eye on the big picture.
1:30 pats been geting his drinks for years now its his turn lol
kevan garner he did in 1:45
I have theory, with the way Patsy was looking at Tony when he was obviously showing concern that his son would talk, that he was the one that had Tony killed during all the chaos after NY and all the pending rats. Tony had killed his brother and he could barely let it go, there was no way he was going to let Tony touch his son -- especially with how much power Tony had lost by the end. 1:43
Emp6ft10in Also Patsy came to Paulie with the information rather than Tony. You can tell Tony was pissed off about that. Also Patsy’s wife seemed scared shitless the moment Tony mentioned Jason.
Sorry to tell you this but it was carmine
If you watch the scene where butchie gives up the shah of Iran carmine acts like he is leaving with tony then changes direction and goes with butchie
It was carmine all along
The stupid son
It was neither Patsy nor Carmine. Clearly New York has been taken over by Butchie and he gave the go ahead. He knew his family couldnt be perceived as a side which lost to that pygmy over at Jersey
1:40 is such a weird thing for her to do and for the camera to specifically pan to. It's foreshadowing. 3 fingers for 3 o clock. Which is the direction where Tony would have been shot from at the diner. When Christopher got shot and said he saw hell, he told Tony that Mikey had a message for him "3 o clock."
@@Johnbender It's not a weird thing at all. She's looking at the back of the plate. That's where it tells you what company made it. Is it a cheap knock off or is it super-expensive high-end China? To be honest, I've looked at the back of people's plates out of curiosity, but in this case Patsy's wife is trying to figure out how much money the Sopranos have.
The heavyset mother who couldn't tell a joke was Donna Pescow who was in Saturday Night Fever and on the tv show Angie.......
Everyone's mood changes when Patrick starts dropping Meadow's potential salary numbers.
40К of 170K goes to bird feeder
Then towards bad investments or a spec house.
@@rwm_kazakhstan Could have put it into some other investment vehicles......Like classic cars
Put 170K down on docking station
This scene holds all the clues. The whole Parisi family is in on it, even the wife.
The son is too?
@@gk1961 My theory is that their relationship was a ruse all along, meant to get close to Tony. How else could they have known they were at Holsten's that night?
@@edlawn5481 AJ's girlfriend Rhianna. There's a video about it on YT. The guy makes some compelling points that it was her who let NY know where they were going to be that night. He also refutes that Paulie and Patsy anything to do with it.
Patsy set up Silvio too, he doesn't get shot, he shoots his gun but doesn't hit anyone, and then is allowed to escape. Once Silvio was taken out, Tony lost his last real loyal soldier.
@@travismiles5885 that video is a stretch by a long mile. It connects Rhianna to be blood related to NY mob. Probably the most funny theory out of all. The Patsy theory makes a lot of sense and doesn't sound unrealistic like the Rhianna theory
Haha, fucking Carmela, man. Wanted to hear Hunter was in the gutter and Meadow was doing better. That disappointed face when she was doing well. She's not really that different from Tony :D
Patsy's son and Carlo's were caught by the Feds and Carlo flipped to save his son's ass. Patsy knew that Tony might have him clipped too in order to prevent him from flipping. So, Patsy had him clipped in the ending episode.
Good theory. Tony definitely was clipped. Could of been Patsi. He had more than enough reasons. Also could've been Paulie (thinking that being in charge of construction is a death sentence) or Butch (he gave Tony the nod but he didn't expect Phil to get his head run over)
@@County_da_kang He wasn't definitely clipped at all.
Also revenge for his brother.
I vote Patsy. Butchie was too worn out to continue the war and Paulie, although emotional, isn't brave enough to do that plus he knows he is sitting pretty being a capo with Tony.
tony was never clipped
I don’t think many people realize how significant this scene is in relation to the series finale at Holstens. Patsy learns that Tony knows about his son getting busted for drug dealing. He’s now in mortal peril because Tony will go to any length to avoid another captain turning states evidence.
Theres no indication tody ever had ideas about offing Patsy. In fact he has shown quite a lot of favoritism to Patsy over the years, starting the day he decided to bring him over from Junior's crew.
@@an-cx1ho Yeah the same kind of favoritism when he had his brother whacked, subtly threatened him to get over his grief, and passed him over for promotion.
Wasn't it Carlo's son who got busted?
His son wasn’t busted for anything. It was Carlo’s son who got busted and that’s why in the final scene at Holsten’s (not Holstein’s) he told Carmella that Carlo was going to testify. He was going to give information on Tony to get his son’s case thrown out or reduced.
How do people get basic facts about the show wrong?
edie is a great actress wow
this exchange between Tony and Patsy is hilarious
Based on the way Patsy looked at Tony when Tony refilled his glass, I could tell that Patsy had spoke with NY and was behind the upcoming hit on Tony.
No way it was Gene Pontecorvos brother who killed Tony. The assassin looked like Gene and was wearing a Members Only jacket. We were deliberately made to forget about Gene and that’s why Tony never acknowledged his death during the rest of season 6
@@tarantulagirl I also think this is the most likely scenario. The ‘Members Only’ jacket is the biggest clue we were given
@@tarantulagirl Hmm never thought about that.
razor sharp writing, sharp reactions on the actors'
Damm..... Saturday Night Fever was just a fleeting memory for DONNA PESCOW!!!
Carm is disappointed that hunter is doing well
Why did carmela seem upset when she was talking to meadow's friend?
MultiScarface7 she likes feeling superior to people. When she found out that Hunter had turned her life around, it annoyed her.
djendick Yeah, that sounds about right
Because Carmela likes to feel superior to other women however when someone who she considers inferior to her, surpasses her she gets jealous. We see this with Meadow's friend who kicked her drug habit and is now in Medical School, with Artie's wife who both runs the restaurant and has slept with Tony prior to Carmela meeting him, with Big Pussy's widow Angie, who was poor after he died but bounced back up as a business woman, and finally with her own daughter Meadow who's studying to become a lawyer. Though she loves her privileged life, Carmela hates that she's not self sufficient like those who have surpassed her. She tried getting rich through the bird feeder money via stocks, but failed. She tried getting rich through her spec house bur failed. Ironically in her attempts to surpass her successful friends and loose her dependency on her husband , her failed attempts were all on Tony's dime.
To summaries all this, she's a bitter cunt.
hearing a salary of 170k perked her ass up
It's like people you meet who are for equality but they like to feel a little more equal.
Great scene. Contrast between the different futures of Hunter and Meadow.
If you notice Patsy’s wife clumsily attempts the joke _twice_ before Patsy finally takes over and tells it. Like the _two_ attempts Meadow makes to parallel park later in the episode before finally succeeding on the third try. These cinematic elements mirror the two attempts on Tony’s life in the series before he is finally killed at the diner (the first when he was shot at by the African American man while walking to his car, the second when Junior shot him on the pancreas). This scene foreshadows that Patsy had Tony executed- he would have known where Tony was eating that night because Meadow is dating his son Patrick.
Wait... didn’t Gigi clip Patsy in the car b/c he was running his mouth too much?
@@tea397 No, he clipped his twin brother Philip "Spoons."
Carmela is so used to people never really changing around her, it shakes her to her core when people around her do progress for the better
1:24 Tony said to Patsy: I have your older son, don't try anything like Carlo or He is going to meet your deth brother. Or maybe you going.
1:45 The way Patsy looked Tony. No, you going to see him.
This is so brilliant scene.
All the time Patsy is nervous. He know that Tony is already death. He want to protect son. I just don't know what Tony think? Tony warned him of course.
Rade Radovic Patsy’s wife is scared shitless too. That’s why Patsy tells her to shut up.
Tony's no threat to Jason - Jason wasn't in a position to rat Tony out on anything - best he could give the Fed's is hearsay.
The warning was to Patsy not to flip like Carlo trying to save his son.
Patsy: horse goes to the doctor and the doctor says go home and get ur fucking shine box!
lmfao dead
The face when Tony serves a refill to his soldier😬🤣
A horse goes to the shinebox, the doctor says why the long shoe
YES!!!
A shoe goes into a horse .The shine-box says why the long Doctor
rarecoolitems .Beautiful
+rarecoolitems Also, the doctor tells the horse that it has been out to pasture for a long time and didn't hear that the doctor doesn't shine shoes anymore.
epic
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I see Tony serving Patsy his drink as a sign of things to come involving shifting power structures: Those who serve will now be served - Patsy would be the one to take over the family after the show fades to black and Tony dies - Patsy and Paulie are the only top guys left and Paulie has always been a follower. It should also be noted that the show has always been about Tony's two families and Daddies little girl Meadow is making the transition to become part of Patsys' family foreshadowing that the Soprano name and dynasty will become second tier to that of Parisi.
Indeed, as Meadow will take the Parisi name presumably...
Wow that's very perspective and would play perfectly into the reboot of the show.
D G Paulie was always superstitious of responsibility like when he turned down the construction racket job Tony offered him after Gigi died. Paulie was never an earner or business man type but just a two bit hustler and leech. I highly doubt he would have been respected enough or even be willing to step up as boss if it was offered to him. Patsy would be the best choice now that Christopher is dead and Silvio still recovering from being shot in the war.
@D G Paulie was only big with Johnny Sac who he snitched on New Jersey with. But remember Carmine Lupertazzi Sr didn't even know ho the heck he was after all the dirt he did for NY. Paulie only rose through the ranks through old age and just being there. His best earning happened in comedic attempts at heists like the Colombian drug dealers raid. Nothing ever went on smoothly when he was involved in a field mission. All he really had was Little Paulie doing his dirty work. I reckon Little Paulie would be a better boss than Walnuts. Only thing Paulie had going on was knowing how to stay alive in the mob for himself but he couldn't inspire a big group of men.
Sopranos crew after the war would have been decimated anyway. The final captains towards the end where Carlo (an informant), Bobby (dead), Paulie (screwed up in the head and too old) and Sylvio (critically injured). All the guys with talent died out of Tony's ego- Ralphie, Christopher, Eugene. Gigi would have been a good boss if he was still alive.
The war truce was made and from then on Patsy would have been fine. Both sides tried to kill each other including Tony Soprano himself. I also think Patsi was just a bystander and the hit was really targeted on Sylvio who was number 2 at the time. Patsi is the more shrewd guy than Paulie. Look how he raised his kid into being a top lawyer and has a stable home life. Gets into no unnecessary beefs but still has balls to be aggressive when needed. Knows his brother was axed by Tony but made his peace with the dangers of their way of life.
it was about patsi becoming a part of the "real" family, patsi gaining more power, he wasnt just a soldier anymore, without the wedding tony wouldve never served patsi a drink
Does anyone recognize Donna Pescow from Saturday Night Fever fame?
170k for a student out of law school. That's a better joke then the horse one
not if you go to a top law school
From a top law school working in the New York City area? Very believable.
170k in New York is nothing. Do the math conversion of 170k in NYC versus other states where the standard of living is more reasonable. 170k is really closer to 100k in other states.
170K now in Manhattan is basically poverty for a lawyer lol.
She had also been volunteering at the poverty law center since she was an undergrad. That experience, coupled with grades and connections, can definitely snag you a salary like that.
Mrs. Parisi played Annette in Saturday Night Fever
Holy shit. Thanks for this! I was wondering where I knew her from.
she was also the mom on the old tv show "out of this world"
Angie
She was the mother on the Disney show Even Stevens lol
Hunter is every wingman's nightmare.
I could do that...No problem!
@@direktFF full respect.
@@direktFF oh man your comment trumped mine
@@Timst3R No, haha. Just saw an opening for a Sil quote and I went for it!
Then you got a problem because her nose aint even that long
that empty plate flash from patsy's wife says it all
One of the greatest “IN YOUR FACE” moments, in the history television.
2:09 good god Carmela looks like her hearts been crush lol like I wish I had a man that treated me like that 😂😂😂😂 she know she made her bed and has to sleep in it for life
"bid rigging. whores. it's fascinating." carmelas face LMAO
'Tony married his mother"
bam3108 Tony was his mother who marries his mother. Oh poor you, he made you feel special. That was Livia talking. Tony was like a Satriale Sandwich in the middle. Very sick stuff.
this scene all proves patsy put the hit on tony. his son was clearly arrested to with carlos kid
I bet patsys wife wished Tony Manero didn’t dump her back in 1977. She never woulda banged Double J and Joey in the backseat of Bobby’s car
“Well that was always you” cuz that’s not insulting lol 😂