Nelson's Pillar Caretaker, Ireland 1966
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- The caretaker of the Nelson Pillar describes the monument and the people who visit the Dublin landmark.
Nelson Pillar stood at 120 feet for 157 years, survived the GPO bombing in 1916 and was a favourite viewing spot for both Dubliners and visitors.
The pillar’s caretaker describes the pillar, the people who visit it, its history, the battles it commemorates and speculates on whether the pillar should be there at all.
Some people when they come in when they hear that it is a 166 steps they look for an elevator.
On 8 March 1966 republican dissidents planted a bomb destroying the upper section of Nelson Pillar on O’Connell Street, Dublin. While there is no record of the original broadcast date for this episode of ‘Newsbeat’, it is believed that it was also broadcast on the day that the bombing occurred.
The Spire now stands on the site where Nelson Pillar once stood.
‘Newsbeat’ was a half-hour feature programme presented by Frank Hall and ran for 7 years from September 1964 to June 1971. ‘Newsbeat’ went out from Monday to Friday on RTÉ television and reported on current affairs and issues of local interest from around Ireland. The final programme was broadcast on 11 June 1971. - Zábava
His Dublin accent is lovely, it's an old fashioned Dublin accent. ☘
I love an accent, it gives greater individuality to the person, It will be a sad loss when all the world people speak with a mid-Atlantic accent
@@jamesbradshaw3389 It happened just at turn of the new millelium, the year 2000, just ask any Dublin taxi driver who`s been around long enough! Girls and guys from all over the country losing their local brogue accents when they arrived to work and live in the big city, you had to become cityised! and learning South Dublin/West Coast America and you have your mid-Atlantic accent and it really is comical! In this year 2022 it gives me great fun to hear all the different brogues on some radio channels and it`s there you hear the false silly put on mid-Atlantic accents, both male and female. These folk should own their accents with pride or maybe just stay with local radio, Cheers, Martin, South Dublin.
@@martinmcdonald4207 That DORT speak accent is so grating on the ears. Even Montrose accent is more authentic. I remember being in London years ago, and being told at a job interview I had an "Eamonn Andrews" accent. Oh I laughed at that. He was an old fogey to me, a likeable old fogey. He had a programme called "This is your Life "🙋🏻♀️
@@finolaomurchu8217 Just like his old buddy Gay Byrne he got a bit of elocution in Synge Street C.B.S. just like 'meself'!
That's not a Dublin accent it's a northern accent
What a lovely, easy going man, shame he lost his job soon after this, hope he was looked after. I went up the pillar everytime we went back to Dublin on holiday in the early 60's, fantastic view of Dublin from the top.
My Ma wouldn't let me go up it , for ideological reasons .
I'd say he got a right nice pension, after all the fireworks...
@@TomTermini I think I saw him in the aftermath video that CR put up.
What a nice old gentleman!
Always look forward to CR Video Vaults posting a new video. What a treasure of an archive.
Just under 4000 sailors from Ireland served on Nelson's fleet of ships ,including sailors from Dublin cork and Limerick,
Interesting
A natural gentleman.
A delightful film, a nice slice of history.
It was so wasteful to have it blown up. All they had to do was remove the statue and replace it with a figure of Padraig Pearse or James Connolly.. The column itself was a magnificent building attracting many Dubliners and outsider interest and would have been a far more interesting piece of landscape than what replaced it today which is an eyesore. Blowing this magnificent structure up was cutting one's nose off to spite one's face. Such a shame, that man lost his income and charities lost a decent funding from it. It was one of the most senseless operations that the IRA committed in my opinion. And I say that as a staunch Republican.
Well I kind of agree they should not have blown it up, but we can't blame anyone else for the shite we've put there since. 🙄
Ugly view on an otherwise beautiful steet
Agreed re keeping the picturesque pillar, however there were plans for a PP statue but this was quietly, and rightly, dropped when it was accepted that his poetry, prose and general behaviour in the boys school he founded was highly questionable. Swapping Nelson for Connolly was also debatable, or any other person associated with the rising as this would have ended in argument as to who should go up. Leaving it empty and making it a viewing platform would have been more sensible till an agreed figure, perhaps neutral like Cuchulainn or another ancient Irish person might have done. They'd have had to carve it to suit the pillar's style, of course, and avoid the 'modern art' look that replaced it.
@@markburke2853 General behaviour in the Boys school? Any source for this please?
I have read little lad of tricks and if I'm honest it does make me unneasy but there was no suspicions about Pears during his own lifetime, it seems disingenuous to level these accusations long after his death but if you have proof I'd like to see it.
@@antseanbheanbocht4993 Thanks for the reply, and there's a very interesting 2001 RTE documentary, amongst others, and usefully on YT and the title is -
True lives - Padraig Pearse Fanatic Heart (Documentary) RTE 2001 and the YT link is czcams.com/video/iEvOzwdFLvE/video.html If you need to check the point where accusations are levelled, then circa 41.00 mins into the programme it's stated quite clearly. The issue with Pearse was that he went full tilt at everything, including anything Irish, and was a creative spirit, thus, as with many others who saw themselves as superior in intellect, the offset was being allowed to do things that others would not do. He saw no wrong in this, all part of the way Bohemians behaved however the subsequent plans for a statue took into account this aspect, and, rightly decided not to pedestal him. Today, he would have been removed, if there had been one put up, an acknowledgment to behaviour that has since become abhorrent as a result of the detestable few that hid amongst the RC church, and were protected. How many others who worked alongside him knew of his actions, there must have been RC priests who shared it and were never exposed, Ireland being totally devoted to the RC faith.
Yes a beautiful refined Dublin accent of the time.
I remember going up on it many times in the 50s, and 60s. almost every time I was in Dublin at the time.
After 210 years abiding in Dublin, surely himself must be an Irish citizen by now. Horati O’Nelson?
Brilliant 😂
The reason the people of Dublin raised the funds for the column was...
Nelson’s fleet consisted of 33 ships and approximately 18,000 men, of whom records survive for about 12,000.
Some 3,573 sailors came from Ireland including 893 from Dublin, 632 from Cork, 187 from Waterford, 154 from Limerick, 116 from Wexford and 112 from Antrim.
There were 94 Irishmen on the flagship HMS Victory on which Nelson lost his life during the battle. There were 77 Ryans, 59 Murphys and 32 McCarthys involved.
The problem when a few people make decisions for the majority, there should have been a vote, we shouldn't destroy history because we don't like or agree with what it once represented, they could have replaced the statue with one of Pearse, but that wouldn't have satisfied some on the grounds his father was English.
Meh. Destroying an eyesore that's a homage to Imperialists isn't destroying history. Nelson's sea faring antics still happened... It's removing monuments to tyrants.
@@TomTermini Since the dawn of man, the only choice tribes/nations had was to conquer or be conquered (England was invaded many times). Being part of the Empire, prevented Ireland from being invaded by others. Likewise, had Ireland been in the position to do so, she would've invaded others. Try looking at the world through the lenses of the time .
I remember it well....i was seasick for weeks...
@@johnathanryan2117 You're lucky, Nelson was seasick his whole life.
@Tom Termini
Nelson had nothing to do with Imperialism, his entire career was fighting other European major powers. Wellington was the one who actually served in India and his column stands no problem
Sadly for some, it was blown up the same year as the interview. I am not getting political, but it's sad because he probably lost his job.
Tour Guide "I've been doing this job for 40 year's & I'll be doing it for another 20
A few minutes later.......
That gentleman is the father of Eddie bailham the rovers centre forward
Lovely Dublin guy. Niall. Dundalk.
I was brought up the pillar when I made my communion, I know it's on super 8. ..Probably lying in some relatives attic.... always loved the story, that the Irish army did more damage to surrounding buildings cleaning up the mess that the I.R.A. left.
People are still saying that the IRA blew up Nelson's Pillar. No matter how many times the history is pointed out to them. The group who blew up the pillar were called "Saor Uladh" and were led by a man called "Liam Sutcliffe". The IRA didn't even know about it.
The British army didnt clean up the mess, it was the Irish Army...1966 is the clue.
@@tonymurphy6227 I said IRISH army... don't get you ?
Nope, you said British army, you've edited your original comment.
@@tonymurphy6227 If she had edited her original comment it would say (edited) above aforementioned comment.
It's pristine.
She is victorious.
Lovely accent
Winnie Mandela loved going up and down on Nelsons piller..
“Admiral Nelson took a powder and he blew!”
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If this was filmed in 1966 then it must have been before March, as it underwent a big remodeling job around then...
Shame we couldn't have just repurposed the monument to commemorate something related to Ireland, the Spire is a very poor replacement.
Do you want Jerry Adams up there?
@@lameduck3630 who's Jerry Adams?
Maybe it should have been Waterloo hero the Duke of Wellington as he was a Paddy.
@@lameduck3630 Artie Colley was born here but he didn't regard himself as Irish. His family were originally called "Colley". That surname sounded a bit too Irish for them so they changed their name to "Wesley". Then he changed his name from "Arthur Wesley" to the more aristocratic sounding "Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington".
We could always put Padraig Pearse on the pillar.
The Duke of Wellington didn't fight in the 1916 rising.
Then again Pearse didn't get a pair of rubber boots called after him.
If the Duke of Wellington were on that pillar it would have been blown up anyway. I reckon we should rebuild it and put Saint Patrick on the top. So whether it's Pearse or Saint Patrick, the Dubs could call it "Paddy's Pillar". It's a pity Liam Sutcliffe didn't come back in 2016 for the 100th anniversary and blow up that bloody spire too.
Absolutely, maybe a statue of Gay Byrne...or Bang Bang....someone who was IRISH.
Amazing
Thats interesting never knew there were actual stairs going up to it
They didn't have elevators back in 1808.
@@petermurphy9968 u dont say? I didn't know it had stairs inside it.
@@petermurphy9968 Actually I reckon they probably did. Not electric powered elevators of course, but like the technology for a pulley system that modern elevators still work under surely existed.
My Dad often mentioned his trips up to the big schmoke in the mid 60s visiting his brother. Spent many an afternoon looking out from the top of Nelson's column.
Is that a young Frank Hall? The voice, I know I know it, but can’t be sure whose it is.
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Definitely Frank Hall
@@AnselmGriffin Thanks.
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That's Frank Hall alright
Yup some years later he had his own funny RTE show and later still he was the Irish Film Censor..!!
Thre remains must exist somewhere?
I wonder what the kids watching in the back are up to now
Still waiting for the superglue on their ears to wear off
There his age now
at least you could go up the dublin pillar unlike the one in london
Have you any shots of the inside of the piller bro?
I love the videos about lreland 🇮🇪☘️☘️☘️🌈
All around O'Connell street the stones and rubble flew ....................
Aaah from the then song: "Up Went Nelson (In Old Dublin)"...
The Spire's alright but you can't go up it. With that sort of stuff you've got to go up it
The heroin needle is hideous and meaningless. Awful sight
You can stick all the EU red tape on it
Definitely a poor replacement agreed
40% of Nelsons navy was Irish......."Wooden on the outside, Cork on the inside"...
I've seen figures of ~20% (navy in general during Nelson's time) to ~30% (Trafalgar).
In any case still a hugely significant proportion and the second largest nationality.
Especially significant if you include Stephen Maturin ;)
@@markdami Your right..The army was 40% Irish.....Including Wellington.
the Pillar was older than the Column.....the army made a balls of blowing up the remains. Love the old mans voice. up da dubs!
I was told years ago that the Pillar's caretaker was actually Dicky Rock's old man!
No it was John Thomas
Would be great to see that and go up to the top when I'm next in Dublin. I would assume the Office of Public Works would oversee it's upkeep nowadays.
The IRA blew it up.
I'm guessing from the name that you're bring ironic.
@@Jotari Well it's not as if the Irish are known for their humour! ("The sheep out there are far far way"!)
@@sanchoodell6789 I think they're just small.
It was a real Dublin landmark,sad it's no longer there,pitty
Eh not it's not.. although the spire is rubbish..
You’re missing a lot of context with that comment… I hope
@@seanquinn5483 original comment, although im confused with yours? How is the spire a symbol of British imperialism?
I have a piece of it to this day
Made it half way up had to come back down on my behind think it was blown up that same year
Great wee job this man had. Probably had the strongest legs in Dublin. Hope he got another energetic job later on. Like caretaker of the stone tower on the summit of Slieve Donard.
Methinks one of ours did actually go up there. A bit of the way...
UP WENT NELSON . . . 🤔
The last time I saw this pillar it was all over O'Connell Street, after it was remodeled by a different syndicate. I think Nelsons hat will be well past the moon by now.
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Is the reporter Frank Hall? very distinctive voice
So it is. Hall's pictorial weekly, he's young there. Very familiar voice though.
No. It’s Tony Hayers.
@@mr.afrikaans1747 cheers, that name isnt familiar to me
@@mr.afrikaans1747 It`s Frank Hall. I`m old enough to remember Hall`s Pictorial Weekly and the boys from Ballymagash on D` telly in real time! Cheers.
@@lmc4964 I think Mister Afrikaans is joking - Tony Hayers is a television executive in "Alan Partridge"!
He only had one job!
Need subtitles on anything Dublin now.
ROIGHT!
Royish.
I walked it three times.and would repeat if I were allowed.
Should have just cropped nelson and kept the rest of the column
I wonder what Mr Bailham did for a living afterwards...
It had alot less steps a few month later.
Bang! Then It was gone!
That’s so obviously who Bob de Niro modelled himself on for The Irishman - method acting
The strange thing about the Irishman was that they spent a fortune on trying to make de Niro look younger but no effort on making come across as Irish.
@@freebornjohn2687 to be sure
Job for life…………….
Fair play to Joe Pilkington, he saw him off. RIP Joe the right people will never forget you. We could do with a few men like yourself here right now.
Nelson the first man in space 💣💥
and the 2nd after he was blown up
The IRA probably watched this program and thought .... hmmm ....
A lovely gentleman, and the great Frank Hall. They the bank or who ever were the trustees sould have removed Admiral Nelson and replaced with an Irish patriot Pearce, Collins.... JFK ... I know it doesn't make any difference now it long gone.
Pity the Irish wouldnt get rid off some off the dirt been allowed to congregate in our city in 2021...
3 years to put up and destroyed in seconds
Not bad, considering it took the Brits hundreds of years to destroy Ireland
@@davekeating. and we're still here even after all they threw at us
The blowing up of a statue celebrating the life of Nelson Mandela is an absolute disgrace.
What were they thinking.
Jesus eamon Magee stunt double
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The reporters attitude is very poor, very uneducated approach, an awl chip on his shoulder, If only nelsons pillar was still there it would be better than the spire.
West brit
@@nigelraporam6917 Frank Hall was certainly no west brit.
@@nigelraporam6917It was built by West Brits. The Irish built the monument to celebrate Nelson and the thousands of Irishmen who served under him. You think you’re Irish? You sound like a communist to me.
Nelsons Pillar didn't exist in 1966. It was blown up in March 1963.
You're wrong it was blown up in the year 66. I went up it in 1963 or thereabouts, a fond memory.
I could not understand why they had to blow up the whole pillar. They could have got rid of Nelson and replaced him with an Irish Hero..
They blew it up because a group of yobs didn't like it.
They (Dublin Corporation) were arguing for years and couldn't come to any agreement on a replacement.
I think if I remember right there was something about the statues in the 1921 Treaty. They couldn't be removed from the Irish Army Barracks without the British Governments permission. So a statue of Queen Victoria was made into a urinal at one of the Dublin barracks (Collins maybe) and after the British Government didn't grant its removal. Soon after the British arranged for it removal. Maybe it applied to statues in the public square too.
Out of a job now that it's gone poor bloke. ✊ ☘️
I remember the explosion in 1966 when in Rathmines and the subsequent mess it made, incl. the Oirish army's demolition of the stump. Wholly unnecessary other than the fenians needed to commemorate the 50th anniv' of the 'rising' with destruction, later visited on NI in full. I can't recall being up it, one if those things you plan to do till it's too late, however the view of the mountains and the then city would have been wonderful. There is still on YT old footage of O'Connell St, incl. the Pillar, from the 50's etc., and can't help thinking that today's 'look' is very downmarket to the street that once was part of a city that vied with London in the 1800's.....cue angry replies to my 'middle of the road' (get it!) comments from the usual shinner types with chips on their shoulders. P.S, Dublin was founded by the Vikings and their name was not Dubh Linn (black pool), which the Gael called it, and was a trading post that grew under their tutelage, and later Norman expansion, into what it is today...just like all the other ports..
As someone who cannot stand the Shinners myself, your own comment comes across just as bad as what you might accuse them of. Bigotry isn't a good look, whichever direction it comes.
Up the Shinners, Up yours Mark Burke, and “Up went Nelson.” : )
The Vikings called Dublin, Dyfflin which was there version of the Irish Dubhlinn. So its a pretty semantic point your making. Terrible to blow up an historic feature of Street.
@@eamonosullivan2702 Thanks for the reply and the Vikings founded the settlement, there not being anything there to identify, so debatable as to whether the water itself gave its name to the Gaelic pronunciation. Nevertheless Dubh Linn is much more descriptive, and better, than the Baile Atha Cliath that is on buses etc., It being the Norman name for their Bailey they built in the late 12th C.
Agree! O'Connell Street today is like a slum in Islamabad or Mogadishu. I genuinely feel like crying every time I go to the city now and avoid it when I can- Dublin is not Irish anymore!
A bit of a trill lol
We would off been French
It would have been a simple task to remove the likeness of Lord Nelson from the top and replace it with an Irish Hero either from mythology or history - Cuchulainn or Fionn McCumhaill or Padraig Pearse or Michael Collins or some other great Irish figure. Sadly, though shortsighted low intellect (what’s new there?) Republican extremists destroyed this magnificent edifice, constructed by Irish hands with stunning Irish granite that had been hewn from the Wicklow Mountains. What a terrible shame.
Put Bertie on top if we had it .
@@martinbyrne6643 : No. For it’s time, it’d have to be a more historical figure..,
Why not erect a pillar with a likeness of Charles Haughey on top ("...our sort of nice crook", as someone said of him) ?
Put Ursula von de lyon on it, we don't have Irish hero's anymore. Would the Trioka fit on it, large IMF sign or just the amount of money borrowed by the Finné Foolies between 2007 and 2022 , 223 billion, probably a bit big to fit up there.
@@antseanbheanbocht4993 : Would you ever shut up ye whinger…
It was visited by Spaniards and other foreigners. He neglected to mention the IRA scouts😂
Seriously, it's a shame it's gone!
I guess the ladies of 71 and 72 might well be dead now.
Happy days it's no more,I bet the westside Brits cried into their Earl grey tea, Brits out.
Yeah. Brits out, now half of the third world in! You're fighting a war that's 100 years' old, pal, while our country today is being invaded and sold out to the globalists! Brits are in the same boat as us now!
@@Jen-lg4hp I agree ,every town throughout the island is getting filled ,why is this happening, Ireland is fucked .out of the E U ,but I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
You armchair plastic terrorists make me giggle 😂
Shut up you communist.
I bet some fella in the Ra watched this and thought let’s put this chancer out of a job
Good riiddens, Ireland did not need that sort of thing. I got those shock of my life a few years ago to hear a relation how said that he supplied some of the explosive used to blow up Nelson and his pillar
*salutes the Bradshaw name*
@@SeanKiernan420 never was a shortage of Irish men to salute a British name.
@@connoroleary591 cheeky
@@connoroleary591 Not fully true, only if people are in the British arm forces, The Irish are the ones who do not bow to the queen and she was telling me last year that she was fine what that
It wasn't necessary to destroy the pillar - they should have put someone or something else up there once they decided they didn't want Nelson. It was also a commemoration of the Irish who fought in those battles, cut the stone, built it and paid for it.
ah nvm sure "old Nelson took a powder - den he blew "
He had to go. No Question. British semantics.
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Irish should have kept their holiday attraction center monument remove the whom they don't like on it.