Does Minecraft Need Vertical Slabs?
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- The Minecraft community has big opinions on all sorts of Minecraft-y topics; what updates should come next; the best ways to build; the most useful strategies and more. In this video we'll dive into just some of the most talked about debates and offer both outlooks; for and against!
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Symmetry vs Asymmetry is not really a Minecraft debate, it’s more of just a debate in art in general
It’s also a pointless debate. Neither is objectively better and which should be used is entirely dependant on preference and how one wants the work to feel,
@@Not_Pie your argument can be used in many more fields out of art
Imagine if everything was symmetrical..
As an artist -> Both have their own uses and are unique and beautiful in their own way.
Also symmetry is in nature, Exe -> Crystals vs a Tree
yeah, while Symmetry is more aesthetically pleasing, Asymmetry does allow for more creative freedom, in either case it's how you want to express yourself
people out here arguing whether its mojang or moyang meanwhile my friend still calls it mohang
big oof
He a little confused, but he still got the spirit
Spanish?
Oh, you aren’t calling it MoBang...?
Ah, but is that mohang as in mo-hang like hanging a pictureframe, or mohang as in moha-ng like mohawk but with an ng at the end?
i hate when people put vertical slabs with corner blocks in the same category like no we dont want tiny blocks we want a vertical version of one we have already
It's a classic instance of the slippery slope fallacy on top of that. Adding vertical slabs has nothing to do with adding quarter blocks.
While I'd personally be a fan of quarter-blocks (imho essentially just sound like offset, unpressable buttons with more texture variety. We already use buttons for decoration, they just wouldn't be in the middle anymore. Truly revolutionary, right?), I really don't get how the slippery slope argument is supposed to work _for_ them. To me, it makes more sense as an argument against them. Quarter blocks are an entirely different category of block, half blocks aren't. Stopping after finishing the half-block variety makes way more sense than stopping after adding only one kind of half-block.
@@thatboringone7851 chisel and bits mod has quarter blocks and *much* smaller blocks.
You can basically create a house to the smallest detail in 1x2 space
exactly
@@thatboringone7851 ikr the only other thing i might want beyond vertical slabs is the missing vertical rotation for stairs but once again, it's not a new block, just finishing the rotational veriants of an exsting one, if i want more detail then get, i get some mode with microblocks like project red or if i want to go completly bonkers with the details chisel and bits with works on voxel level (1 texture pixel big chunks)
"Straying too far might overcomplicate things"
You know when you're playing modded with chisels and bits and decide "hm, this corner could use just a tiny bit more detail" and then you get consumed by chisel madness until you're satisfied.
Yeah and the people who play with those mods are often the ones to criticize.
@@juancovarrubias2918 uh...no?
@@M0D776 Yeah I guess just a hypocritical few.
@@juancovarrubias2918 what? you're literally just delusional
i once made a tiny model town with model houses, model roads, and model trees during a stoneblock playthrough
Everyone talking about vertical slabs
but what about combining different types of slabs
*in the same block space*
EDIT: okay, since some people are confused:
_
We *Need* that.
there is a mod for that www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/double-slabs
Yes
@@mr.dingleberry4882 Not everyone wanna use mods G
@what in the world Ya true but on the other hand if the update isn’t gonna happen then most likely you will have too even if ya don’t want too
Symmetry and asymmetry are both amazing, but it completely depends on the situation. Hallway? Symmetric. Cave? Asymmetric.
It may be the Hermitcraft fan in me; but I prefer FalseSymmetry.
Yes
@@davidroddini1512 nice
I think for things trying to pass as natural and organic, like a cave or a player-built tree, asymmetry is better, but for things that intentionally look artificial/man made, symmetry to some extent is usually better.
Hotel? Trivago.
honestly just using vertical slabs allowed me to loosen up my build style and I actually really enjoyed using them. I didn't feel like it was a creative clutch, but actually it added so much variety to building. I use vertical slabs so frequently in modpacks that it just feels natural. so honestly I like vertical slabs and they would be a really cool addition to vanilla.
You could say that with almost any mod though
@@pancakes8670 definitely not, some mods just straight up don’t fit with vanilla, and that’s not bad on its own but they wouldn’t be good in the base game is all I’m saying
@@reubendaniel5691Most mods you can say that about, unless they directly negatively affect something about the game you like.
"keep inv is cheating"
me: sweats as I jump to my death to avoid a long walk home.
SHAME ON YOU
Well, keep inventory is really good for multiplayer with people you don’t actually know example, I don’t have discord, and I can’t chat, and barely know my mc friends. Thus, it isn’t really worth risking things.
However, I just realized how lame it is that I’m 14 and my mom won’t let me have discord
i used to use keep inventory cause i mean same reason as you and i play minecraft for fun and like it’s not very fun when i die. but if i have keep inventory it’s not fun cause there isn’t challenges. soooooooooo my excuse for having keep inventory on multiplayer worlds is cause my friend wants it (which is true but i kinda do kinda don’t idk) this is a long ass comment
@@pigwhaleg To be fair, Discord does have a really bad reputation, so I can see why your mom won't let you have it. I managed to convince my mom to let me get it, claiming that "if you stay off of the big public servers, and only talk to friends you know," then everything would be fine. Maybe try this arguement with your mom, and see if it works. If it doesn't, then I have several other arguements that could work.
@@GoldEmberMage Maybe later
half of these can be answered by "play the game how you want"
Time for a pro gamer move ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
NO! We must constrain other people to fit them into our MInecraft box house!
especially the java vs bedrock- why is this still a debate, they're different games so stop pitting them against each other.
Ye
Yep I want to see all these players that go against this idea try it with instant respawning, keep inventory off (idr what it's called but it makes brutal enemies like zombies pigman aggressive instantly on) and start normally no cheats (because that be cheating and play either by themselves or with friends
I didn't even know you could craft axes the other way around
You can do the same with hoes too
I didn't know you watched SimplySarc.
aci 😳
Yeah the left hand axe
Same
Ok ok guys but imagine:
VERTICAL BLOCKS!!!
It would be so awesome
Better idea: vertical pig
@@cube4923 vertical piglin
Vertical stairs
@@PigIlFigo32 yeah
@@cube4923 creeper
“Should Minecraft have vertical slabs”
How dare you ask a question you already know the answer to
The answer is no right?
@@pennyrq9454 you are a fool
@@swordsmancs the devs said they won't be adding them therefore we should stop begging. Furthermore, while having more options gives more freedom, creativity comes from restrictions.
@@pennyrq9454 it’d be a lot easier to be creative if I had vertical slabs
@@swordsmancs that's fair, you're just weak and think having a crutch will allow you to see face to face with people like me (edit because apparently the gross exaggeration didn't make this clear enough: /j)
"Games are made to be played, not play for you"
*Factorio community is typing*
Afk games are typing
I was about to mention factorio. That game does automation well. You still play the game, except you go around optimizing things.
In america: you play games
In soviet russia: games play you
*Factorio community automizes typing to produce 5,000 messages per minute*
Automate youtube
Keep inventory players when they’re done mining:
Suicide is badass
@Hugh Mungus I use keep inventory simply so I won't expand hours upon hours getting full enchanted netherite armor just to loose because of a slight incident such as a charged creeper or being knockbacked into the void
That being said I refuse myself to abuse the keep inventory mechanics to recreate terraria's magic mirror
@Hugh Mungus I'm against multiple lives! HARDCORE ALL THE WAY!!!!
No,You choose,I choose,I don't have to choose your way,and you don't have to do it my way,so don't complain that keep inventory is cheating.Little kids that play are probably really thankful that it exists.
@@SeedlingsCorner How about NO!!!from about 90% of the Minecraft community.
I also use keep inventory! the way i play is for exploration building and gathering resources death is unreal i mean if you die how you can respawn well it's a game then why you loose your items means if you can respawn why not items?? That's unfair!
I actually play MP with "keep inventory", not because I would not like the idea of a challenge, but because despite knowing almost everything about Minecraft, I have only 100 or so hours in all my survival worlds combined. And when I started playing with my friends, who were already walking around in diamond armour while I was busy spamming chat with my death messages and sweating to get some iron, it was really pressurizing trying to keep up with their pace. And it's not like I would be more reckless now that I don't lose the stuff, I just learn from my mistakes and gain gaming experience without having to start over every half an hour. The feature is especially useful when you play on a laggy server run on your friend's computer and literally have almost no time to re-grind your gear because of your graduation exams.
I host two servers for my friends: one with keep inventory, one without. Servers tend to be more peaceful with it on, because then you have nothing to gain by killing your friends, but if you want a server with more war in it, having keep inventory off causes crazy chaos and excitement.
I mainly use Keep Inventory because playing Minecraft without some form of fast travel is kind of a nightmare. I'd rather not waste so much time just walking back and forth between places. If I'm thousands of blocks from home, I want to be able to just go home without trekking all the way back... That's just twice as much time spent than just being able to die and return home instantly.
(And before anyone says that fast travel is too easy... Minecraft is a game. Its supposed to be _fun._ If I wanted to travel somewhere and then spend a long time going back the way I came, I would just go on a car trip).
I think if monster spawners were movable, they would need to be like 100x rarer
Or maybe they could only be pushed (with a piston) a finite number of times before breaking permanently...
@@InventorZahran Or everytime you break it and place down its spawnrate drop 1/3 than normal, after 3rd break it doesn't drop (like droping an anvil)
all these ideas here just make it useless to move
Personally I love how The Conjuring mod does it, where breaking spawners gives you this special essence that you can use along with various other materials to perform rituals and create your own spawners, including ones that you can't normally find in structures
@@hithereireallysuck that seems decently balanced does it have like a only 1 spawner per chunk limit or something
The "against" argument about vertical slabs can be defeated with one sentance: vertical slabs is just another blockstate of slabs.
We have stairs in all the configuration and no one complains about simplicity. Why slabs are half done? Quater blocks is too much and it is ADDING, while half slabs is COMPLETING. There shouldn't even be "vertical slabs", there should just be slabs with blockstates that include vertical configuration.
EDIT: yes, I forgot that we are missing side-ways stairs too.
Also, holy shit this conversion this goes on in replies.
I agree on the idea that all blockstates should be supported, though you are incorrect about stairs having all possible configurations. There is one axis of rotation missing for them - you cannot place them in a way that aligns the hole with the vertical axis.
You are missing block states on stairs as well
@@enoshade Know how you can put a top or bottom slab by aiming differently on a block? You could add a third part which would allow you to place vertical slab. Or perhaps a toggle button which changes the way you place blocks! This would be used for putting stairs on their side or pistons in other arrangements!
Something I think would be interesting is horizontal iron bars, but they only become horizontal when you shift click them and will retain their current form otherwise.
almost all blocks in minecraft dont have different blockstates
In favor of the Aether, pistons were originally a mod, and was added into vanilla.
and not a single person has ever complained about that
Weren’t horses too, from mo’ creatures?
@@3vorp
Yeet
Horses too
Pistons are one block, the aether is an entire dimension, you cannot compare.
“Is it pronounced mouyang or moiang?”
Sarc: for, against
Me: visible confusión
@karmasdoor mouyang
@@chairwithoutwheels9148 I agree because it’s a Swedish studio and should be pronounced Swedish-ly.
@@tweeleaf i used to think it was japanese as a kid lmao
I pronounce it like mow jang with the hard J sound because that’s how i learned it and I’m just used to saying it that way, but I think saying it like mow yang it also fine.
Moyang
"Quarter blocks"
*Shows 1/8th of a block*
Thought he said "Corner blocks"
they added a stronger armor than diamond and the ability to fly in survival before they added vertical slabs... something isn't right here
I don't get what's all the fuss about not adding vertical slabs cause we literally already have slabs just not the functionality of placing it vertically.
@@lemonadechamp4281 those are two very different things. Vertical slabs would be able to have multiple rotations walls have 1 option
I want vertical slabs but it get why they haven’t added slabs
That's deep... How did waterlogged blocks come before something as simple seeming as half slabs, but rotated.
remember, it took 10 years for crouching to actually crouch half a block
Short answer: Yes
Longer answer: Depends on the person
Well said. Really generic and boring and probably what everyone else is saying, but well said.
i wont mind if vertical slabs get added, but the fact that people would prefer it over a cave update is absurd
Ryqueezy [INACTIVE] More like Short answer yes and long answer if you don’t want them don’t use them
Ben10
I think it just spite because Mojang excuse for not adding it is absolute bull
No need em
"Java is mostly about nostalgia"
Bedrock: Microtransactions for skins
And resource packs, and worlds, and modifications to vanilla
As a bedrock boi, I can say that you do not NEED to pay for skins, maps, etc. On PC, Pocket and Console, you can go to a browser and type in ''Parkour map'' or something. MCPEDL is a great place for this. Also, the payments supports both MicroJang and the creator of the map, for example Noxcrew, Hive, Lifeboat, Cubecraft, Jigarbov, etc. Finally, you can have an infinite amount of Minecraft accounts off of one purchase so paying to change your name is kinda needless
@@worm6820 Yeah, they want you to give them money. Big deal. Microsoft wanting you to use the store changes absolutely nothing about the fact that you can decide not to.
@@worm6820 if your talking about PS4 Nintendo Xbox and windows edition than I agree but if you also mean mcpe than I disagree
And fucking taunts
When it comes to vertical slabs and also other Stairs / slabs like Concrete, Wool and Terracotta I can't help but think something to the effect of "We already gave you a pencil, but we're not going to give you a pencil sharpener, because we don't want to limit your creativity." I suppose more accurately it's like a parent giving a kid a 24 pack of crayons and them making world-class masterpieces with them. Then they ask for a 48 pack of crayons so they have more colors to work with and the parent responds with "No, I don't want to limit your creativity." It's asinine and absurd.
This is a good point. In most cases the restrictions are vital to tempering ingenuity, but the vast majority of the playerbase has already demonstrated that skill. It stands to reason that adding vertical slabs would make great use of the established potential
Actually they confirmed that concrete stairs and slabs are going to be in the game eventually
@@Leatherface123. That's good to know. Vertical slavs should still be a thing.
@@KaigaKarasuma that’s what I was saying, I agree
@@Leatherface123. I gotchu.
If we've always had vertical slabs there won't be anyone saying we should remove them
Ya they’d be used to it and know they cannot do crap about it
@@inafrenzy1348 why would they want them removed
@@gavinklausner2566 because not everyone is gonna like them the same way others do
If we never had horizontal slabs there wouldnt be anyone asking to add them
@@MorrisseyFr I doubt that to be honest...
"/keepInventoryTrue is cheating."
Minecraft players with Terraria experience: *_i agree.... But somehow, i'm still against this.._*
Losing all your items in Terraria is a LOT worse than losing them in Minecraft. Many Minecraft players have a full set of backup gear, and preparing that kind of thing is much harder in Terraria. Not only that, Terraria environments are a lot more hostile, meaning it’s extremely hard to get the items back, unlike in Minecraft, where if you have decent parkour skill and can run fast, you can simply dash to your point of death, grab your stuff, and get the hell out. In Terraria, there’s a lot more obstacles and enemies between you and your lost items, so much so that it’s the entire reason nobody plays mediumcore.
Lawrence King
Exactly my thoughts about it. In Terraria it’s normal for you to die a lot, especially during early hard mode and the Lunar Events. losing your items that you’ve spent quite sometime on will be incredibly frustrating (since losing your coins is already pretty frustrating by itself)
@@LawrenceMK2 that moment when even Hardcore is a much more reasonable choice in Terraria.
I can confirm cuz ive played multiple successful hardcore playthroughs even in calamity but NEVER mediumcore... Not even once... Im not ready for the big boi difficulty that is Mediumcore..
gravestones are the best way to play.
Best of both worlds
@brandon shagg I guess, but it hurts so much to lose 41 levels due to a finger slip... I would rather get half my levels back and still be semi punished in the item department
Okay, am I the only person who hates the fact that fences cannot be placed directly onto slabs? They just float above the slabs and it ruins every front deck that I try to build for a house! Does anyone else have this problem?
oh man, wait until you see bedrock edition
@@slavicnonatho8062 what you mean
that happens with like every block i think
you have to make the slabs at the top side, not bottom. this will make the fences connect
If they could do that, the game would break
For the “diamonds spawn near gravel” argument: we are more likely to find diamonds since gravel takes less time to break compared to stone.
Diamonds don’t spawn near gravel but they spawn near clay. So that myth had a bit of truth
@@sanguinelinguine aside from overgrown caverns, how in the world would you find clay anywhere near diamonds? it spawns in riverbeds on the surface of the world
@@TheTrenchesYT czcams.com/video/5Icj5TNmBUI/video.html
It no longer works in 1.18, but this video is a great mathematical explanation to finding diamonds with clay.
@@TheTrenchesYT if you dig down from clay you can apparently find more diamonds
unless every minecraft youtuber is lying to me 🤔
shouldn't it be "diamonds covered in gravel are easier to get to than diamonds covered in stone"?
"Is above ground or below ground better?"
The best builds incorporate both into the design imo
Yes
just dig a giant square hole underground and put a conventional above-ground base in it
Yes
yeah but honestly i think that the below grounds are a bit better because *especially* if you base near the diamond layers and stuff, by progressing your base you will end up gaining a lot more resources than above land.
Imo it’s more about what function you want your base to have. If you need it to stay hidden underground is better, if need it to accommodate rapid expansion over ground is better, etc.
"Can you say that once they add vertical half slabs you'll be satisfied?"
YES! YES! 100 TIMES YES!
I've heard the mojang arguement that they don't want to add them for the same reason they don't want to add chairs, tables, or other furniture, which they think are too specific and don't promote player creativity. I mostly agree, but not for vertical slabs. Plus, it feels like a dumb arguement when flowerpots, paintings, grindstones, stone cutters and the like exist.
They have reached a point where putting V slabs out for the reasons they do is 100% hypocritical and unfair
@@flacciddice The reason we don't have vertical slabs is because the placement is too hard. Horizontal slabs exist on the top half of a block or the bottom half. No exceptions. Vertical slabs have 4 possible positions on one block because of the different edges on top of the block. Followed by the 4 that could exist under the block, and 4 on the faces of the block. That's 12 different configurations for a single block.
@@capnlatenight5356 stairs also have many positions, normal stairs, upside down stairs, and 2 states of hinge stairs
@@technetium9653 Still a Vertical slab has waay more possible configurations than a stair because a stair uses the normal block code but with some modifications to make upside down stairs possible.
A vertical slab would require a ton of work to be possible and funcional
@@leonardorivelorivelo9253 cite your sources
"Java is mostly about nostalgia"
and free mods, and free skins, and free maps, and free texture packs made by the community
You can get that on bedrock too, just not on console bedrock
@@slarbus i mean if you are on pc, you would probably get java. Also in bedrock you can not really add new items with mods, the addons just change existing blocks.
@@mallusaih you can add new blocks and items
@@mallusaih but most bedrock mods arent that good
@@slarbus that is not possible in bedrock, mod makers usually just pick rarely used blocks such as purpur and weird dyes and replace them with the mod items, you can not increase the amount of items you get.
1:08 _"The disappointment I feel is immeasurable, and my day is ruined."_
I feel like a lot of these miss the most important points on both sides. Like with Java vs. Bedrock, most people aren't really putting emphasis on "Java is the original and therefore better" which was the entire argument you presented; there are a lot of very significant differences in gameplay, especially with redstone, which works completely differently in Java and Bedrock.
He didn't really represent the Java argument that well, possibly so he can keep the video at a reasonable length.
But pretty much his argument is that "Java is better because it's the original, nostalgia moment because we're all boomers lol, also mods". As a player that played Pocket Edition for 3 years before switching, I could still confidently say that I think Java is better.
Unless Bedrock can fix its redstone, clunky inventory system, laggy servers, tons of bugs, stuff bedrock community is probably so tired of by now, then maybe I'll consider. But then there is also the stuff that isn't just gonna be fixed by applying an update.
Java has birthed so many communities and servers that you really can't see in bedrock.
Hypixel, the largest Minecraft server operates exclusively in Java, the community is so large it even has it's own news channel on CZcams, It is pretty much what defines the "minigame community". Other communities like Anarchy servers or Competitive PVP are in Java, and while yes these servers do exist in Bedrock, they mostly serve as substitute for Java servers.
My enjoyment of Minecraft mostly comes from its community and I think Java has done such a better job on that.
also java banners on shields
Derin with a Q
As a primarily bedrock player, Java is better, they can place flower pots on top of trap doors and other little details like that which annoy me
Really I think people are too hard on Bedrock. Yes, the game has micro transactions... but most of the Marketplace consists of fan made maps. Yeah, the redstone isn’t consistent with Java, but they can’t just copy and paste the code and magically reformat all redstone builds in Bedrock to fit Java. They’re still working on parity, and Bedrock has already done better than Java. If it was really as bad as people say, why do so many people play it?
The video is supposed to be an overview of these points, not a 20 minute deep dive on the finer points of each argument.
To me them both are different games, java is way more focused on the game itself, so the root version and bedrock is focused to make it friendly, increase the name of the game, getting more accessible to a bigger amount of players, being able to experience minecraft, and also experience what minecraft can do, in a more friendly way
Symmetry and asymmetry blend effortlessly together when used correctly. They each also have their own contexts and, when used outside of those contexts, create their own unique feeling.
If you are going for a Greek look or a koi pond, use symmetry with quartz blocks, salmon, tropical fish, and mood lighting/hidden lighting. If you are going for a kids bedroom look, use bright colors and make it asymmetrical. Just make the door frame is symmetrical at least.
But then it's asymmetrical
Lemme tell you. Asymmetry on the macro and symmetry on the micro, or vice versa is just *chef's kiss*.
@@lachlanmccormick3486 Oh I definitely agree. As someone going into the design field (game design more specifically), there's something that just makes looking into stuff like this fun. Personally, I'll usually build symmetrically to make it look cleaner, but I've found ways of implementing asymmetry into it.
@@trickytreyperfected1482 Yes! Personally I love rotational symmetry, tubular walkways or cylinder space stations in Space Engineers. But then on the inside you can just go ham with whatever you want, a seating area over there, open kitchen in the back third, whatever you want!
That mainly why I want vertical slabs, so I can make better vertical and horizontal circles, it hurts so much making an arch where stairs have to end in a full block and not a vertical slab.
“bedrock is a well designed game” _clips through the ground and falls into the void_
@Antonio Aguiar you literally never have to worry about it in Java. it’s a pretty bad flaw that exists in bedrock but not Java
Ive played bedrock for years and never had this happen once or even heard of it
@Antonio Aguiar noob didn't you know that theres a limited land in minecraft its in java too
@@osricthebrash6995 yeah if you go 3000000 blocks out that happens, but chances are you never will
“Java is just about nostalgia”
One word: MODS
adding something about the automation debate on "For"
look at games like factorio and satisfactory, they're ALL about automation, yet they never feel stale or repetitive, you can always pump up efficiency and you always need more materials.
I believe that minecraft in it's current state can't be easily made to automate everything, however if there are items with high amount of resource consumptions and if the default efficiency for farming is really low and requires a lot of effort to improve it significantly, then I can see full automation minecraft be a thing.
without high consumption items AND with easy effective solutions for farming everything, the game will be indeed feel repetitive and stalling.
I think the point is, Minecraft isn't really meant to be an idle game... automatic farms are AWESOME, but not _everything_ needs to be automated. Player interaction should still be a requirement to get some things.
"Minecraft is not that punishing of a game."
Spoken by someone who's clearly never fallen into lava. Seriously, the phrase "tried to swim in lava" should be in the dictionary under the word "rage-inducing".
But it’s the truth, you *were* trying to swim in lava, trying to swim out of it.
Bruh I just died in hardcore by lava why do you have to do this to me
Imagine losing your coveted enchanted diamond sword because your shift key decided to have a stroke.
And what the hell did you do to fall in lava, and why are you not using a goddamn water bucket...
Keep inventory: I will Sop your rage lava
the fact hes saying both "for" and "against" made him my worst enemy but also my best friend
*Jordan Peterson has entered the chat*
well yes, but sometimes it was obvious he had to really try to make himself the part of the argument he does not like.
pros... cons...
@@zenyxcz4240 when he said quarter blocks i was thinking that sounds cool to add it XD
"I play both sides so I always come out on top"
-I don't know who said this but I believe it's from the office.
Vertical slabs would be great, could help improve some furniture designs etc.
I think the entire building system surrounding rotatable blocks needs to be revamped, this could also make vertical slabs possible without making a whole new block. Essentially my idea is when you're hovering over where a rotatable block can be placed a transparent outline of that block will appear in the orientation it will be placed in, pressing a certain key will rotate that block either on its X or Y axis, allowing for easier and more accurate placement to be done. This feature could also be toggleable in options if someone wanted to use the classic building system, I just get annoyed when I'm trying to place stairs quickly and they keep wanting to switch their direction and then I have to break them and place them back.
Lmao, he changed the title from "Minecraft's Most Divisive Debates" to "Does Minecraft Need Vertical Slabs?
" I see you SimplySarc, I see you.
It's another way of clickbaiting, but the question is still answered
Better form of click bait IMO
Feels like A/B testing.
I once remember seeing a comment saying
"I got click baited into good content? What?"
@@whenwhen2284 Lmao
I have literally never heard anyone say diamonds are near gravel.
My friend always says that diamonds are close to lava lakes and I hate him for it. So many times have I explained why "it is more likely that you find diamonds at a lava lake" and "diamonds are near lava lakes" are two different statements, why must he be so smartn't
I think that one was more of a saying back in beta.
I've heard a bunch of my friends say it back in 2011-2013, I recently thought back and just assumed it's because gravel is faster to mine than stone, which would make it easier to expose more of the stone
I always hear gold near lava lakes, iron near dirt and gravel. Never diamonds near gravel
I remember people saying that back in 2010-2013, but not much since. It’s more of an older thing from when Minecraft was new and people not very much was known about the technicalities of world gen.
For being able to move monster spawners: I enjoy trying to be efficient when i play minecraft, i'm not the best at it but i certainly try, but being able to pick up and place a mob spawner where i need it for a farm would just allow ease of access to that efficiency... it won't make it much easier for somebody to make a farm, it would just allow somebody to make a farm where it's easier for them to access, instead of having to go on the same trip they've done dozens of times before, just to collect a few materials. Not allowing me to move spawners doesn't make me want to explore more, it makes me get bored of the tedious nature of gathering materials.
Nah cause you could stack dozens of spawners and make an op mega spawner and that imo would break the game (unless you’re playing with some mods that require ginormous quantities of ressources)
@@Neb-zb2sw but there's a point where adding more spawners would decrease the spawn rate, as well as needing to GET the spawners, AND needing the know-how on making a working farm.
@@iHateHandlesGetRidOfThis i don’t know if you ever played factions (in these servers you can get spawners), we have overproductive fucking terryfying mob machines. However in this mode it’s fair becase you need a lot of ressources and another player can raid it
@@Neb-zb2sw i never liked factions, every time i played solo my base got x-rayed (straight hole dug from the surface and all my chests emptied) and the one time i played with friends all our shit got blown up
@@iHateHandlesGetRidOfThis it’s not xray it’s an exploit where you place tnt on yourself using barriers and then you can see undergroumd
I love how much effort goes into these videos, they're all amazing!! 10/10!
Mojang actually announced that their name was pronounced with a hard "j" (the English way), at the same time as they changed their name to Mojang Studios, so there's no point in arguing about this anymore.
Do you have a source for this? I’m interested.
@@RealPetasi I read the announcement on minecraft.net
I do miss the old Mojang logo.
@@wither475 the old one or the *old* one?
@@imREL0 The one they used before they changed it for Minecraft's 11th Birthday. All the old logos look similar to each other except the newest one.
all the arguments:
"You should have total control!"
"Nature reins supreme!"
Aka, libertarian vs authoritarian
@@artisanstudios180 Not really. I'm an anarchist, which is WHY I want more options in minecraft. If you can't do whatever you want in a sandbox, then what's the point? If I want self-imposed rules, I can impose them ON myself, BY myself. I don't need the devs to pick for me. I mean, fuck, that's why we have console commands and flatlands and redstone. Options are better than no options.
@@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice Well Minecraft isn't just a sandbox. The genre is sandbox/ survival if the devs mess up that balance by making it more a sandbox it will lose most of its players.
Connor Barkington Minecraft is not a sandbox. Its a survival sandbox. Thise two might sound very familiar but they are both very very different
Boo
I scared ya
9:57 meanwhile... Factorio... Satisfactory... every other automation game
Great video, I’d love to see more things like this. The short section make it easy to watch 😊
This isn't about needing. There's alot in Minecraft we don't need. But it doesn't hurt to want something to expand our experience with the game.
The squid being chosen= Not something we want or need
@@inafrenzy1348 Clearly some people want it because it got voted in
@@inafrenzy1348 *you, not we. If no one wanted it then it wouldn’t have won.
@@semidecent4395 A lot of those people just wanted Dream to follow them
@@semidecent4395 Also I said we because a lot of people didn’t want it as well
For me, it's not "Symmetrical vs Asymmetrical" but rather a combination of both. When I'm building, I tend to do something along the lines of 75% symmetrical and 25% asymmetrical. For example, if I'm making a house, the walls, windows, and beams will all be symmetrical, but the decorations, flowers, shrubbery, and things like that will be asymmetrical. This makes for a balanced creation that's still interesting to look at. I tend to do the same thing when building underground - each room will be pretty much symmetrical, but the main hub is typically ad-hoc and asymmetrical.
I also do this. I think a middle ground is better.
For me, it's start symmetrical, and progress asymmetrical.
This is a general rule with character design, too.
Yes and I think that in order to achieve mastery in building you need to master both arts because the thing about both is they have their strengths and weaknesses particularly symmetrical builds are often much more impressive looking than asymmetrical but are bland and dull while asymmetrical builds have the potential for far more character but simply relying on abject chaos will rarely reach beyond "huh nice" but when you combine them you can still have this large impressive symmetrical build while giving it character with small details
The aether made out of glowstone doesn't make sense, why would the portal to "heaven" be made out of blocks from "hell"
Because one dimension is from the other
I don’t know, why does the portal to the dimension where water instantly evaporates get made out of a block where you need to combine water and lava?
Because you gotta go though the bad to get to the good
We need slabs that go with other slabs
Cobblestoneslab + plank slab
I am pretty sure that is a technical difficulty
"You should not drop a max of seven levels upon death."
this^ why cant I lose half my levels? why do I only get 7 back? its so stupid!
yeah, that is pretty stupid.
SERIOUSLY WHAT IF YOU HAVE 100+ EXPERIENCE
@@gibbous_silver I mean Enderman Farms exist, but yeah, the small xp regain on retrieval is annoying. Maybe it references how little of one's knowledge can be gained at the crime scene? Apart from symbolic bits like that though, I see no reason for them to implement it this way. Aside from maybe making enchanting stuff difficult.
Polaris Raven what if I don’t have a xp farm
the only thing that i think should be changed about slabs is how they function slightly, two different slabs should be able to inhabit one block
Agree
Imagine the amazing building using this kind of opportunities with these combinations
My god im not the only one??
@@homebrewHousehold unfortunately no
@@kevinbeefchips unfortunately?
Another point for above-ground bases: It's easier to remember where your base is if it's a castle or a cottage because you can see it when wandering around near it. Underground bases may have only 1 entrance covered by a trapdoor and therefore making it so you have to run around looking at the floor to find it again. (However, if you're in multiplayer and want to stay hidden, the underground base would be best)
people in 2045:
'And here we see the infamous mini block which is only but an 8th of the size of a normal block.'
Simple answer: Yes, we need vertical slabs
Long answer: Correct, Minecraft is in dire need of vertical slabs of all species.
The reason we don't have vertical slabs is because the placement is too hard. Horizontal slabs exist on the top half of a block or the bottom half. No exceptions. Vertical slabs have 4 possible positions on one block because of the different edges on top of the block. Followed by the 4 that could exist under the block, and 4 on the faces of the block. That's 12 different configurations for a single block.
Capn Late Night we have many variations of the stair block, slabs wouldnt be any different.
@@capnlatenight5356 I've seen you copy paste this comment around and I still don't understand it. Vertical slabs would work the same way that glazed terracotta already behaves. It's not rocket science like you're making it out to be
@@capnlatenight5356 One little word: Stairs
@@capnlatenight5356 Vertical slabs as a concept have existed in mods as an intuitive concept for literally years. It's actually trivially easy to do; just pay attention to where the player is aiming on the surface. If they're aiming at the middle, place the slab parallel to the surface. If they're aiming at an edge of the surface, place the slab perpendicular to it, on that side of the block. Very simple, very intuitive.
Where you said quarter blocks, you showed an eighth block
Well some people say “half slabs.” I think the Minecraft community doesn’t understand fractions
@Grease Not the movie they are half though...
@@derinwithaq5811 a half of a slab is a 1/4 block
Derin with a Q but a slab is half of a block, a “half slab” is redundant.
@Grease Not the movie oh yeah... I didn’t realize that for some reason
1: For:
The Aether, whilst originally a mod, could still have modded elements even after being added.
Though my argument lies in the idea that it's been a handful of years since a new realm was added, and I'm not going to say we always need a new realm, however, the Overworld serves as an appropriate dimension for Earth, the Nether serves as an appropriate dimension for Hell, and the End as an appropriate dimension for the End of Time, so to speak.
What we don't have is an appropriate dimension to represent Heaven in some way, which always seemed odd to me in the perspective of Dimensions in the game, and true to form, Mojang at some point did try an experiment with "sky islands", so it wouldn't be too out there to think about adding.
(This would also ensure that the dimension is constantly updated with the rest of the game and not out of date waiting for the modder to finally getting around to updating and fixing the mod)
2: Indifferent:
Yes having movable spawners would be neat, especially when you don't often find them, and getting to them is a pain.
But I've never really cared to use them all that much myself anyway, so it is whatever.
3: Indifferent:
While I often try to build things as symmetrical as possible, I do quite often like to build asymmetrically to offset the build design ad create something unique.
4: ?:
This is an argument people have?
5: Indifferent:
I play both, for different reasons, but I'm never thinking to myself, except jokingly, that either are superior over the other.
6: For:
This is one I wholeheartedly am for.
Mostly for decorative purposes obviously, but also because we haven't seen a new way blocks could be used in almost a decade...
Slabs and stairs were highly influential, and opened a lot of creative doors that were originally only accessable via mods.
And because of such ideas being opened so long ago, I feel, it is only natural that now, we get an improvement on such building systems and techniques.
While the argument that then people would want corner blocks and corner/sideways corner posts are true, I don't think those would or should be added untill maybe another decade, give or take, passes.
(There's quite possibly an indie game that could overthrow Minecraft at some point, because it will have features that Minecraft itself lacks. As it stands imo, Minecraft is still a fun and enjoyable game to play, but what was once leading the charge is now playing catch up.)
7: Indifferent:
People pronounce words differently, all languages do, and have their own ticks and ways to pronounce words.
8: Against:
Whilst everything being farmable would be nice, it does eliminate the need for going out and exploring.
Whilst I do think there are ways to mitigate how much could be farmed, I think everything being farmable removes the true intention behind playing Minecraft and only creates lazy and unintelligent players who stop coming up with unique ways to conquer dangerous or mildly infuriating obstacles, because they can just have it at their fingertips.
9: Indifferent:
Building underground Bases are just as much about keeping safe as building Bases above ground, and building small shelters in a mine always means you'll have a safe space to escape to.
Bu~ut I don't think either one is better than the other, only personal preference, and attachment to the current build you have.
10: Indifferent:
As long as it's not Perma-Death, losing items will be frustrating, but there's always a way to re-obtain the lost objects, it might just take a long time, and I know I've rage quited a few times after dying with epic amounts of loot before.
So while it might be a cowards way out, I don't think it's necessarily cheating, sometimes you just want to mess around, and not having the pressure of losing all those emeralds or epic armor you made is nice at keeping stress levels down.
*You could make a vertical slab with quarter blocks.*
Ok but like, you know what would be better than vertical slabs for decorating?
*horizontal stairs*
Technically it'd be vertical stairs
@@crazynachos4230 Hol' up
What does that mean? Im so confused
@@whatawa1855 stairs that can be placed sideways
I feel like it would be really hard to place them correctly at that point
"quarter blocks"
me: that's an eighth...
Quarter slabs ;)
Lol
I thought he said corner...
Technically it IS a quarter block because when we're talking about size, and NOT quantity, 1 x 2 would be 4. Look at it this way. If you had a small square and had another one, and put them together, it would make a rectangle right? That's why there's 2 more to make it a bigger square. Look it up if you want hahaha
@@vaporre6424 Even by size, it's an eighth. Minecraft blocks are 1m^3. 1m x 1m x 1m = 1m^3. A cube whose width is half a meter (0.5m) has a volume of 0.125m^3 or 1/8th of a meter cubed. 0.5m x 0.5m x 0.5m = 0.125m^3. Put more simply, just imagine the "quarter cube" and think about how many you'd have to stack to make the shape of the normal cube. If you put 4 together on the ground, you'd just have a slab. You need 8 to make the cube. The faces of the cube would be 1/4th the area of the faces of the normal cube though.
he went through blood sweat and tears to make this a 10+ minute video instead of just answering the question and being genuine
3:09 im losing my mind
1) "Just get mods"
Bedrock players can't access mods very easily. Mods can be unstable/glitchy and can corrupt worlds. Not everyone wants/knows how to mod their game. People playing on vanilla servers also can't control what plugins their server uses.
2) "Why?"
It's a simple feature that can enhance the creative freedom of builders.
3) "Where will you stop? Slippery slope fallacy!"
Vertical slabs. That's it. No quarter-blocks or 8th-blocks. No chisel and bits feature. Just vertical slabs.
4) "It's ruining the simplicity of minecraft!"
It's just a rotated block. How is that any more complex than horizontal slabs?
I think its a simple quirk of the game... It's a game without vertical slabs. Period.
Might not be favourable, but probably the truth.
I personally am undecided, vertical slabs are great after all.
I feel like the vid creator is running damage control in defense of Mojang's extreme laziness
@@lorecore6434 ?? he literally just stated pros and cons :/
FROM BOTH SIDES
@@RetroDestroyer can't you basically say that about anything though? It's just nonsense
@@M0D776 it's not
It's called analysing
"Does Minecraft need vertical slabs?"
Yes
Definitely
Absolutely
Not even a question
I would say no.
Minecraft don't need vertical slabs.
Or horizontal slabs.
Or stairs.
In fact, Minecraft should remove both!
Aaaaaaand...
Replace them with the "quarter-block" (which is technically an eighth-block) that is used as an argument against the implementation of the vertical slabs!
It could do everything the slabs and stairs both can and could do + more! We shouldn't go smaller, though. That's for mods to solve, in my opinion.
Buuuuut, if we can't have the quarter- (eighth-) blocks, I will settle for the vertical slabs.
@@GThoron computer crashing
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Well maybe vertical sign can use for making a grave
So i can make graveyard
And buried someone alive
Just kiding
Symmetry gives great mindgasms, but i think small imperfections make the builds morr interesting and it's hard to make those imperfections look good.
I am for the middleground
I feel like always going for pure symmetry is fooling yourself into thinking you're good but in actual fact is fairly simple to do. Cool asymmetry is big brain shit that I wanna get good at but I'm not sure how
About the base debate. That’s why I make my entrance to my underground bunker which is loaded with goods and has been worked on for years is actually the fire place in my above ground base. The exit to the bunker is a part of the watch tower just up the rest of the mountain from the house.
Also consider Mojang's logic against vertical slabs: they say it would inhibit natural creativity or it can already be done in other ways.
But yet it would in no way inhibit natural creativity, if anything it would bring about so much more creativity! Roofs with proper angles would be possible! Castle walls with thinner battlements! Actual thin walls! It would revolutionize building!
But what block do we have that's similar to a vertical slab? Walls? Trapdoors? Neither of those function in the way a vertical slab should. Walls are in the middle of the block, and trapdoors are far too thin and serve a very specific use. (also on a server some punk could waltz over and flip all the trapdoors)
Also, Mojang said on the previously considered suggestions page that anything that can already be done in other ways are NOT being considered, like furniture! But chains exist now! Chains could already be done with iron bars or grindstones, and yet now we have them!
I know, that argument has always been so annoying to me, I think the main reason they don’t want to add vertical slabs is because then, they might start getting requests to add smaller and more detailed blocks, like the video pointed out. Also I think Notch didn’t want to add them because he thought that regular slabs were already a mistake
@@derinwithaq5811 I know this is a bold statement, but I'm sure the community would be satisfied with vertical slabs. There would of course be people requesting micro blocks, but not many, especially compared with the amount of requests for vertical slabs!
Also now that we have the stone cutter there's a good way of making the vertical slabs without cluttering the crafting table recipes even further!
Honestly I think Mojang needs to loosen their guidelines in general. A lot of their rejected ideas just... lack details on why they were rejected, and seem to be trying way too hard. I understand why they’d not want anything gross in the game like... literal turds, but ducks are given literally zero explanation, beyond a vague implication that they.... don’t like them? What?
@Caspian Tomlin I agree, I’m just saying that might be a big factor in Mojang not wanting to add vertical slabs
The slippery slope argument is by far the most credible argument against vertical slabs, and even that one isn't perfect because there are way more people who want vertical slabs than people who want micro blocks. I think the vast majority of the MC community would gladly accept vertical slabs with the knowledge that micro blocks would forever stay a modded feature. A lot of people have _already_ accepted that possibility. By comparison, Mojang's "inhibiting creativity" argument is just plain stupid and makes no sense.
I should also say that I myself don't want real furniture items like true tables and chairs, but I do want the option to sit or lie down on any block so that we could continue building our own furniture while also being able to actually use them as furniture.
Hey, one of the Aether developers here. Thanks for mentioning that thing about the mod being in vanilla, we get asked about that a lot nowadays. I personally believe the mod has no place in vanilla, and I think on an occasion Brandon (kingbdogz) himself said it shouldn't be in the game. Not to mention the legal mess adding the mod to vanilla would create...
there's quite a few mods that were added into vanilla its more on the consent of the creator though even with that Mojang still technically owns the rights to the mod.
@@telebread6970 But how would you know? I'm just going with quek so forgive me, but he seems like the more competent. All I'd like to say is that he did develop for the mod. Just food for thought.
I think that it would be cool to have another dimension now, we already got the 1.9 with end cities and elytras, 1.16 with a whole new nether, I would love to see another dimension like Twilight or Aether on 1.18.
Thx for writing one of the best minecraft mods.
I was hoping for a positive response, I got my hopes up, because I always wanted to play the Aether as a kid, but looks like my hopes were short lived. I feel like it would fit in so well in Minecraft.
Why would it create a legal mess? If the mod belongs to the devs, and the devs are working for mojang, then they should just be able to give their consent for it to be added. If it belongs to mojang and not the devs, then it should be able to be added no issue what so ever. Then again it won't be added anyways so eh. However I do agree that minecraft vanilla needs a new dimension.
For the symmetry argument,some people have ocd (I actually display symptoms) and therefore something asymmetrical may stress them out
0:52 man I remember trying to do this on Xbox 360 I was so sad when it did not work
As someone who has never heard of the whole gravel and diamond thing, it sounds really stupid tbh
It's not really a problem imo. More of a psychological thing than anything.
The "for" argument is really just an explanation of how the misconception came about.
@@algallero3310 Never said it was a problem. The idea of it just sounds dumb.
@@skylarsorell9212 It does make sense though, even if just a little, since gravel is much easier to mine than stone, and the more exposed surface there is, the more probable it is that you'll see diamonds. But other than I'm still a bit confused why this is even an argument, since it's mostly a psychological thing and isn't even supported by the game's code. I mean, if you think it works then go ahead, but I doubt you'd find diamonds everytime, unlike if you actual try to understand how the game works.
I’ve never even seen diamonds near gravel
Does Minecraft Need Vertical Slabs?
my answer: if you don't want it, don't use it. if you do want it, do it.
THANK YOU, some people are dumb
@@mohamadsarwar7997 YEAHHH
and if youre saying you can just get a mod for it, whats the point of mojang adding new things at all if you can just get mods? we dont need them to add these cool skulk sensors or make the nether better cause you could get mods!!! stupid argument
@@daveroll6463 exactly, also bedrock versions don't even support mods
@@mohamadsarwar7997 they have addons close enough
While I'm against keeping inventory, I am for changing the rules to fit how you want to play. An example that I do in almost every "survival" world is using command blocks to increase the day/night cycle. By turning off command block output, daylight cycle, and using a repeating command block, you can make the days as long or as short as you want. I go for a 45 minute day and a 45 minute night and it, somehow, makes the game feel so much different. It not only comes down to the ambient lighting and how the night clouds appear orange from the sunset for longer than you think, but it makes the world feel more substantial in a way. It's noticeable when exploring, since you travel further without seeing night or having to place down a bed, but you also don't feel like you're actually traveling that far and it somehow makes your radius of what you consider familiar or "close by" much wider. Why there isn't a slider to adjust day/night speed isn't in in the vanilla game is something I don't fully understand, but I'm okay with knowing I'm not playing true survival if it means experiencing the familiar in a way that feels new.
9:50
Tell that to factory game players.
My personal takes on each one:
1. Aether - I've got mixed feelings on the idea of vanilla Aether. I appreciate it for what a big mod it was in its time, but I also feel it's a bit overrated, especially considering the other kinds of dimension mods that've been made since. _However,_ I do think almost any other kind of sky dimension, not just the Aether, would be nice to have, because I really hate how punishing The End is with its terrain. At least with the Aether if y'fell off y'had a chance of survival, and even if you made friends with solid ground you could meander back to your stuff
2. Moveable Spawners - Absolutely for this. I seem to have abysmal dungeon finding luck as is, if I find one I should be able to haul the spawner home make my basement a Spider jamboree if I so desire
3. Symmetry vs Asymmetry - I don't know if my autism has anything to do with it, but I *vastly* prefer symmetry. But that said, I do also prefer things that are meant to look natural to be asymmetrical, as you don't often see symmetry in nature. Which is why it kills me whenever I see you, Grian, or anyone be able to do random block placement [of sorts] for natural decoration and make it look coherent while also managing to avoid falling into symmetry bias
4. Diamonds Near Gravel - This is honestly the first I'm hearing of such a debate, and it honestly feels more like a conspiracy. Of course, unlike many conspiracies, this one actually has a fair bit of reasoning to it
5. Java vs Bedrock - Bedrock has never not done me dirty. The off-hand is basically useless, there's no option to make your main hand be on the left, Redstone is ironically jank by fixing quasi-connectivity, and the UI can be an absolute eyesore at times. And that's not even mentioning the mobile game-tier trash that is the Marketplace. I generally don't touch my PC these days because I get so much milage out of my Switch [and also I have lackluster wifi in my room, so not very good for playing TF2], but I've had so many bad experiences with Bedrock on Switch that I continue to stick exclusively to Java
6. Vertical Slabs - I'm not much of a builder, so whether or not they exist doesn't really affect me. Though I absolutely hate how one of Mojang's excuses for not adding them is they would "limit creativity," which is such a stupid claim that I want them out of spite
7. Mojang vs Moyang - Honestly, I say "Moyang" simply because it rolls off the tongue better
8. Automation - I don't really have strong feelings one way or the other. I can see the point that it'd be much easier to get bored if you never have to work for your stuff, but in my case I have the attention span of a chicken, because even without any kinds of farms I get tired of a world really easily and go on to make a new one. And it's not even exclusive to Minecraft, of the probably almost 100 Pokemon randomizers I've done, I have not completed a single one
9. Underground Bases vs Surface Bases - I kind of accidentally do a lot of the former, or rather a lot of my base and the time I spend in it is underground, and it boils down to the fact that it's way easier to branch out underground than it is above ground, and it also doesn't help that you're usually using up way more resources to expand above ground than the resources you use up expanding underground
10. /keepInventory true - I mean, yeah, I'm not gonna deny that it removes challenge and the main punishment death is supposed to provide. *But!* I am an absolute pansy who likes clinging onto his garbage, and will pretty much always have this and /mobGriefing false on if I can help it
With the switch you get the Mario skin pack. Which is mostly useless considering it’s not cross platform nor is the recourse pack. At the time it was fair enough as the skins were restricted to the basic model. Now, however, characters can have afros or even wings. The argument that they are 3D or different scales can’t be used anymore.
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On bedrock you can switch your main hand to left
@@JJ-rl3zm You can do that on Java as well.
I agree a lot with mojang in that adding vertical slabs would limit creativity minecraft is about a blocky world were you can build things using cubes half slabs and since you are limited to those forms you have to think about your build to consider (would this look nice with those half slabs or do i just use normal blocks) and those thoutghs keep the player engadged, thinking and sure made me play the game for a long time thinking about my builds
By adding verticals slabs you would erase this thoutgh process and the player would just think instead: if i want some horizontal variation i use horizontal slabs and if i want vertical i use vertical slabs and that takes away the planning the testing and just makes it so you can do builds without worrying about the builds integrity
Its by adding a limitation that the player learns to overcome the problem and achieve his desires without a limit to how you can place and variate blocks it takes away some of the skill in building
And you may say but isnt minecraft a game about making whatever you want and for me the answer is not in that way because you can change anything in minecraft within the rules of the game if you want to play a game with basically no limits in what you can create go play roblox the problem you may find is that when you are building something in roblox you need to already have a goal and inspiration, minecraft encourages building in survival to protect you from mobs and organize resources to accelerate progress wich encourages you to think of how your base is going to look so its visually appeling to the eye, what will be its shape so it can contain what you want in it and from there you have to think of block placement and where do you want to place slabs instead of full blocks and by having to think of that building in minecraft becomes fun and challeging because you are forced to work around your limitations
By adding vertical slabs you remove some of the challeging of block placing and in consequence minecraft building wich runs into the problem of building things on roblox while you can build fun things the building process becomes stale and that makes players prefer to just play other persons maps instead of creating their own
Btw sorry for the wall of text i wrote on why i think vertical slabs would be a bad addition but i hope you understand my point
As a factorio player i believe he didn’t do the automate everything one justice, as what makes automating fun is the lack of perfection, you can always make it bigger, more efficient, faster, optimised. THATS the fun in automation, improvement.
YES
I fully agree. Going back to slower sections and remaking them to be even faster and better is really fun. I love making stupidly efficient factories that give me way more of a resource than ill ever need
I agree, but only to an extent, certain things like diamonds or dragon eggs should not be farmable. I believe it adds more to the game when certain resources feel finite. on the other hand I want to be able to automate the production of hoppers sooo...
I'm all for automation but it should NOT be easy. If anyone saw Mumbo's video on autocrafting, that's what I'd expect from Mojang.
i feel like one of mumbojumbos recent videos does a good job showing this, with autocrafting. people, including him, thought autocrafting would be overpowered. it depends how its implemented. in the mod mumbo used, you had to make big factories to make more complex recipes, and to auto farm something like a redstone repeater would require a witch farm and a stone blast chamber with a supersmelter
i dont think *everything* should be farmable, thatd be absurd, but i feel like lots of stuff should be farmable, just in a way where, unless youre maing a MASSIVE factory for proudcing the item(s), itd just be quicker to do it yourself, other than maybe extremely basic things like wood or stone or mob grinders
I like gravestone mods the most. Actually have to go back and get your stuff. But you dont exactly lose it.
I think they should make something like Chisel and Bits a part of vanilla. For those who don't know what it does, it allows for blocks only 1 pixel in size to placed and removed. Which is very helpful for detail and design. (Just try the mod because it isn't too easy to explain). I know why Mojang won't add them because it "ruins creativity".
In a way, Mojang is correct. And also incorrect.
1. It somewhat depletes creativity. Having to use what we got for small details (or major ones) could be creative as you can't just go around and make a city using 1 pixel-sized blocks.
2. It also helps creativity. Being able to use 1 pixel-sized, 1/8th-sized and 1/4th sized blocks would allow for alot more detail and improvements. You could build an entire house within just a single block or make an extremely detailed house with small vines and triangular roofs. This allows for unique shapes, so this kind of feature would benefit.
3. If Mojang does and doesn't players to use this kind of thing. There should be some configuration to this. If players want something more but not too much. They could make it so only vertical stairs and slabs can be used but nothing like pixel-sized blocks.
Too Long, Didn't Read: Small blocks with configuration should exist.
I see where you come from, but I would like to add a few things.
Just like when a writer writes a book, a builder builds a building.
The writer has 100% freedom of what to write, and therefore spends most of the time rewriting every line to perfection, which takes months of work.
The builder does not have the 100% freedom, that the writer has, and will not spend quite as long on building.
However, if the builder used Chisel and Bits, they would begin to carefully remake every bit of every block, which would also take months of work.
The final build would be stunning, but at some point the amount of work overshadows the finished result.
I'm not saying that some builds do not already take months of work, just that with the chisels and bits it would take considerably longer, and with details you would only see if you really looked hard enough.
Some builders could master the use of chisels and bits, and create masterpieces, but (if it be like with the writers) those that do not put in the amount of work to use them will be heavily criticized.
New writers usually have a hard time getting into writing, due to the amount of work and pressure they'd have to go through.
I don't want new builders looking at all the different bits and pieces and be discouraged by the amount of work it would take to just make a simple house.
While I would love to be able to make a replica of my actual face in minecraft from build height to the bottom of the world, down to the 1/512th of a block, i think it would be too much of a downside with the amount of work I'd have to put in.
tl:dr - I compare writing a book to building with chisels and bits, talk about makin a realistic face in minecraft, and come to the conclusion that having it implemented would put too much pressure on the builders to create perfection and make builds take 10x as long.
Thanks for reading the whole reply.
I’m against quarter blocks but I don’t think that vertical slabs would be bad in the slightest
Quarter blocks looks straight out of chisel and bits mod won't fit in the game however vertical slabs are somewhat vanilla and after tinkering around with some mods that add vertical slabs it's quite good actually. He should've also mentioned about the debate about adding slopes and sideways stairs into minecraft
That's what they all said.
@@qzimyion how do quarter blocks not fit into Minecraft? It’s just blocks, but smaller
@@thisisafalseaccount105 That's literally why. It's a level of detail that just doesn't belong in the game.
@@Eisotopius if you want a level of detail that doesn't belong in the game, look at baby turtles lol
yes and we need to be able to stack different types of slabs.
No vertical slabs but I agree that you should mix different types of slabs.
I'm yes on the vertical but not so much on stacked slabs.
Currently there are 40 different slabs. With the upcoming update at least 47.
Combined slab block would require x^2 new block states.
That's 40*40= 1600 new blocks.
Or with the next update 47*47= 2209.
While possible it'd be a nightmare to properly implement.
This is actually a great idea as, it means that you could mix different types of stone slabs to create a better detail wall.
I mean minecraft could just changed that slabs can be placed vertical and horizontal it doesn't need to be a new block
@@Pilachio couldn't they stay as two seperate half slaps? Wouldn't it just be 47x2?
for the "diamonds near gravel" thing, i could see people thinking that due to how easy it is to clear gravel from an area as opposed to the stone nearby, most especially when away from a haste 2 beacon, and gravel can open a lot of space if cleared out fully
"It runs well on all sorts of different devices"
*Me trying to PVP on Minecraft PE*
he said the game runs well, he doesnt mea that you wont be garbage at pvping
@@mufradr it’s not just him, I have yet to find someone who likes pvp on mobile, or even thinks it’s good
@@voidgamer7122 Yeah, mobile pvp sucks. Anyone that is decent on it is like a god
Don't blame the game for being bad at pvping in the worst device to pvp on.
"Overground vs Underground?"
Personally, I love to merge the two. One of my favorite builds was a Wizard tower on top of a small mountain, a small overground build that was neat to look at.
However, I hollowed out that entire mountain.
Underground, I kept all the less pretty things that wouldn't fit up in my spire, like farms, storage systems, and the like. I kept the same aesthetic, and I think that's the way forward.
Sound awesome
Sometimes I just build a nice base above and then when I realize that I made it too small I just expand underground. Ez.
@@PlainOlSoapBar Same
I love making a 50/50, underground bunkers under my houses and forts embeded into the stone of a mountain are just so fun to build, no worring about outside shapes and aesthetics so I can be much more space efficient
All of my houses have a basement. I also usually put hours into the exterior look but end up just using the basement most of the time anyway lol.
Mojang is actually a "misspelling" of the swedish word for thing or a weird machine: Mojäng. The ä is pronounced like a blend between a and e. The ä is then dropped in writing for an a. The correct pronounciation is Moyang with a flat yuh sound instead of Mojang with a pronounced yuh sound. This is because Mojäng is pronounced [Moyaeng] with a flat yuh sound. I'm an ethnical swede. I know my stuff when it comes to swedish.
Interesting.
Is that why the banner design is called 'Thing'? That's interesting
I always pronounce it as mo j ang
IMHO, I think when it comes to people pronouncing words outside of their language, I say you can pronounce it however the fuck you want. If you say “brrruh-SHKEY-tah” (rrr meaning a rolled r) instead of “bruh-skeh-tuh,” someone is bound to claim you’re trying to offend Italians by over-pronouncing the accent. Say it the other way around and someone is bound to say “yOuR aPpRoPriAtiNg/aMeRiCaNiZiNg mY cULtUrE.” I say we just pronounce it however the hell we want to and stop getting offended at others for doing it otherwise. The purpose of language is communication, and if the pronunciation is close enough that you know I’m talking about tomatoes on bread, then it’s good enough, because I’ve effectively communicated my message.
@@DEFIB7 Though, your point is interesting...
Im not really interested in vertical slabs but im interested in mixed slabs like if you could put a different Type of slab on another slab that would make building pretty cool
Vertical slabs would be easy to implement... THAT would _not_ be easy to implement...😅
I'm still confused at the cat in a trapdoor box labeled bag
The thing is, that adding vertical slabs would be win for both sides. If you are for vertical slabs, you would be happy because of new feature and lots of new ways it opens. If you are against vertical slabs or even horizontal slabs, you are not pushed by the game to use them. It's your minecraft world, with your rules.
Don’t need em
And, it’s not even all that much of a complex addition, just a rotation and minor texture change. So no corner block complexity, etc etc.
The same can be said for the reverse. If you want vertical slabs, then just get a mod. If you don’t, just play vanilla. People get to use vertical slabs if they want, and vanilla keeps its purity. It’s a win-win.
@@tjtribble. And what about people playing bedrock?
@@inafrenzy1348 don't use them then genius
the argument that "where will it end" with vertical slabs; we're way past the point of "only blocks", look at doors, stairs, lanterns, torches, fences, glass panes, and so on and so forth I know this is a bit of an older video but still.
yea but I mainly dont see how you ppl jump from turning a block a different way to cutting it in half and then in half again and a bunch of other nonsense
Slippery slope fallacy, we've already slipped down the slope
Good point. if the slippery slope fallacy comes in you know they don’t have a valid argument. If people start asking for smaller blocks then argue against that. It’s not worth denying people something just on principle rather than considering the actual pro/cons.
@@zoewheelwright2325 It's not fallacious if there's already a precedent for the further degradation of the game, slabs weren't a very good idea to begin with, vertical slabs just make a bad problem worse. Limitations help creativity.
@@R0NYFL0NY And creativity shouldn't be limited
I have a world off the mc marketplace and it has vertical slabs. It was absolutely cursed when I found out
My positions on the debates:
1: We already have 3 dimensions. Why would we need more? What would the Aether provide that the other three don't?
2: I agree, but only with Silk Touch. Cobwebs and a few other blocks need Silk Touch to mine, and spawners are pretty powerful. However, we already have better mob farms and we can't craft spawn eggs in survival.
3: I don't have any thoughts
4: Not sure
5: For the way I play, yes. I almost always play with mods and I don't care as much about the advanced graphics in Bedrock on Windows 10. It would be nice if Bedrock had mods, but I don't know how that would work on consoles.
6: If you're playing in Java with the Chisels and Bits mod, you don't even need half slabs or stairs in the base game, as you can already make them. However, without mods, vertical half slabs could be useful. We would also probably need a block that can connect both types of half slabs the way stairs work if you connect them in multiple directions. However, it could also be argued that we would also need vertical stairs. With the point on limitations, many of Minecraft's best builders come from 2b2t, where although dupes are rampant, the server is still stuck on 1.12 and your base is almost bound to get destroyed. The dupes and hacks are a double-edged sword.
7: Not sure
8: Yes to an extent, but there should be more of a challenge. To farm diamonds, you should need a machine more complicated than a furnace, as diamonds require super high temperatures and pressures to form. However, it would wreck the economies of many servers and would possibly make the late game too easy.
9: The problem with the time argument for expanding overground bases is partially negated by the time it takes to gather resources to build more of a base. However, overground bases don't prevent you from expanding underground and you have to be more careful with underground bases, as the ground level is inconsistent.
10: Not sure
Allow me to summarize this video:
*yes, we need them*
If we will get _half vertical slabs_
Then...
*_It is all gonna come together_*
No
"java vs bedrock"
answer: play what version you want, whether you want a more player-friendly game or a much more fine-tuned one, its up to you.
mods and/or redstone: java
compatibility and multiplayer: bedrock
@@missingno2401 Bedrock servers are pretty garbage tbh, it's pretty accesible tho
@@edgarvega5859 oh no servers are wack im talking about the lan play
@@missingno2401 At least bedrock has share screen
redstone, mods, working features, less bugs, etc: java
bugs, glitches, terrible servers and mechanics also paid skins: bedrock
There should be a rare enchantment that allows a pickaxe to pick spawners up
I am both for and ageanst underground bases. If you get stuck in a cave and have a sappling or two, its a good idea. If not and the area arround is rich in suplies then above grownd works aswell. Really its just situational.
"Everything should be farmable"
SciCraft:
wtf is up with your name?
your username -_-
@@nintenbrogaming5827 ?
ProtoTech: Our main goal is, to automate everything... *_THEY HAVE LITERAL BEDROCK ITEM FARMS!!!_*
Pretty much the whole video can just be summed up with the line “there’s a mod for that”
Not all computers can run mods well
@@hihogandalfaway As someone with an extremely mediocre laptop, I can run 60-70ish mods smoothly at mostly 60fps (with video settings optimised for performance). With small mods like these, most computers should be able to run them, unless we’re talking an extremely bad computer. Mods like these, that aren’t exactly Twilight Forest / Age of Ascension size, should run fine on most PCs in my experience. No hate tho 🤠
diamonds near gravel
missing pieces for vertical slabs,aether for aether,silkspawners for mining spawners,ex nihilo for diamonds in gravel...etc
then mojang should stop adding new things to do game because there's a mod for pretty much everything they add to the game, the nether should go back to what it was bcs there's mods for the nether, beds should all be red bcs there's mods for colored beds, the woodland mansion shouldn't exist bcs theres already mods that add dungeons like that to the game, netherite shouldnt exist bcs there are mods that add ores.
WE NEED ITTT
Honestly on the question of Everything should be farmable, for survival worlds everything should have a non-destructive source.
This is part of why I'm a fan of servers that include a Farming World for resources as to keep the normal world cleaner.
I'de rather not be forced to remove a desert every time I needed sand, or mine out the rarer mesa and Ice biomes for resources and ruin their appearance.