Rough seas on HMS Bounty
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- čas přidán 14. 12. 2010
- Sailing the Bounty II from Maine to Puerto Rico. At this point we're about 100 miles from Bermuda and hove to, waiting for wind to shift. Eye level is 18 feet and the camera is mounted to my head so waves that break the horizon are above 18' tall.
She was a beautiful lady. God rest the ship and her lost crew.
Right...now at the bottom of the Atlantic due to the arrogance of that damn fool captain.
@@stephenbrown7545 dont talk shit about the captain of the hms bounty replica. As a Captain he had got enough experience on sea and in bad weather. In this video for example, i think that they sailed tactically to avoid the center of this storm.
I think the Captain of the bounty knew what he did with his ship and that he tried anything to Protect her from going down.
@@noname-yo6yn Captain, was known for chasing hurricane's, so he could ride in tail of hurricane. It was completely his decision and ultimately fault
Hurricane Sandy, the storm that traumatized me for a week.
@joseph mengele04 Like you would know anything.
It's such a shame this ship sank and the lives were lost. I saw the interview with Capt. Robin where he said he chased hurricanes. Well, this one turned around and tagged him.
Only a dumbass chases storms like that voluntarily and risks his crews lives. He was a reckless fool.
Ferran Gálvez Castañeda yeah with a sailing galleon no les
@@alexspalding4945 I know it's easy to be wise, AFTER the event BUT, as an experienced Seaman of many years. I was amazed at his 'tempting fate' by claiming to ''Chase Hurricanes.''
The man was a fool who endangered his crew
Wow, I can't imagine that! We had a lot of rough weather on this passage but not that bad. The deck is empty because we were hove to and only needed 1 person up there. You can see that the helm is tied down (no autopilot, still all manual steering). We had a pretty small crew so we took our rest when we could get it. Most of the crew got sea sick at some point but I don't remember if anyone was at this specific time.
Scary stuff.
Especially now that we know for a fact that she wasn't seaworthy in heavy seas.
Condolences to family and friends.
I have never sailed but work on commercial fishing boats and have 1000's of hours at the helm. It appears she was not sailing, but under power. They were trying to skirt the storm and were only in 40 knot winds and 18 foot seas. Here in Alaska, we call that a good day
wesome!! Got to tour this ship back in 1971 in St. Petersburg FL as a young lad. Made a very big impression on me. Could not imagine how it would be to actually sail her! Thanks for keeping this ship for future generations to enjoy!
And I lost a cousin when she went down in October 2012. I am from Midshipman George Stewart of the HMS Bounty in 1789. His only daughter managed (short version), to end up in Hawaii (Sandwich Islands), and then with an American Sea Captain of the US Mercury, arrived in Spanish California in May 1813, captured, abandoned by her common law husband, George Washington Eayrs, and in 1817, married into my Olivera family of Santa Barbara-San Luis Obispo.
The seas may not be welling to let all live, but she does take care of herself. But man sure tries to make a mess of it all.
For the Captain and my cousin, RIP and for the surviving crew, thanks for surviving and telling your stories. Thanks for the rescure crews.
I respect you a lot for your courage to go out and do that. My grandfather piloted ships on the St. Lawerence seaway, and many others. Im sorry to hear about the loss of Captain Walbridge, and this piece of history
On my way home last week from New London to Groton I drove through downtown New London and when turning to pass the train station there I saw the Bounty sitting at her slip at City Pier...I knew right away what ship it was and have to admit I was excited to know she was in port! I told myself to get back and take some pics of the ship but never made it back due to lousy weather and various other reasons...such a lost opportunity...RIP crew members lost!
I don't know her home port but a lot of New England ports are not that well protected. She was trying to encircle the hurricane, not go through it. Any seaworthy ship is safest at sea in bad weather. That is why the Navy sends it's ships out to sea when hurricanes come. For your information, I work on an 86 foot wooden fishing boat built in 1944. We routinely fish in waters worse than what sunk the Bounty. 40 knot winds and 18 foot seas is not bad.
Never, never, never underestimate the power of the sea.
This is beyond fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
I literally ate nearly a dozen hersheys bars on seas like this. I wound up hurling the hersheys bars, along with the ham sandwich I'd eaten the morning of embarkment.
Lovely story!
Cheers to that. I lost 6 friends in 5 separate mishaps this last year. The sea is unforgiving. I don't mean to argue but I stand by my statement that they did the right thing by trying to ride it out.
Captain Robin and Claudene, RIP and smooth sailing...
I'm still mourning her loss. I recently bought a much newer edition of the film she starred in. which has unique extras of her building, and the men who did the job. Also much more never seen before film clips--in Tahiti ,excellent. It's sad to think I stood at that beautiful Helm (wheel,) during a visit to Torquay Harbour, about 2007.
Aye she's in ol' davy jones locker now..
What a tragedy the sinking of the Bounty and the loss of some of her crew is. Very sad.
I have a copy of the National Geographic Magazine April 1962 the month I was born. HMS Bounty was the cover story. This and the soul's lost are a great loss.
See my account ( above )of also buying the Bounty Copy of National Geographic, 1962. and still have it.
This seems a very peculiar video. Nobody is on deck or even near the helm, and the ship is broadsides to the waves, and rolling (badly!) accordingly. It even looks lie the lee rail is getting close to the water portside. 45 degree max roll to port? Where is the crew?
This ain't a real sailing ship. It's got engines and GPS.
+tom namer The ship is hove to, a tactic used to stop a sailing vessel either for bad weather or in this case against an unfavorable wind direction. The helm is lashed so no crew on deck is necessary except for lookout who is probably the cameraman...
Thats probably she lays at the bottom of the ocean now
@@donsimpson6139 Dumbass. All sailing vessels have to have modern GPS and auxillary engines by regulations. Don't spout shit, fuckstick.
@@ferrangalvezcastaneda4968 can i quote you on the last part
Planning on sailing around the world;my brother did in 1986 in Bristol 40.The rule re Hurricanes is to find a Hurricane Hole if there's time. If you don't, then you must stay away from the "lee" shore to prevent destruction of your vessel and loss of life.Sailing into a hurricane or trying to sail around it if you are already in a harbor doesn't make sense. These seas here are blowing about 35kts. Even if the autopilot was off,lashing the helm doesn't cut it because of confused seas and rogue
HMS Bounty II sunk about 90 miles southeast of Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Nine aboard were loaded onto one Coast Guard helicopter and five others on another; three were missing.
I wasn't aware that it was in New London. That is a pretty decent spot to wait it out. I lived there for a few years and up the River by the sub base is pretty protected. In Niantic, there is a 100 foot triple screw, steel hull boat called the Sunbeam Express. That boat can take a whooping. I have fished in the Bering Sea in freezing spray, 80 knot winds and 40 foot seas. I guess why that is why I thought they should ride it out.
GREG B---I don't believe it ! I too have a copy of '' National Geographic'' magazine, of April 1962., with that terrific colour image of the Bounty, splashed across the front cover. The difference is--I bought mine when it was first issued. The inside gave a potted history of the Mutiny, and all the technical details of how the ship was built, all the quality materials used and the rare skills needed to make her, up in Nova Scotia. I loved the diagramme's and names of the sails and their purpose, and a history of the hunt for original Bounty artifact's found at Pitcairn Island etc. An excellent issue, which might be worth a few bucks now. Phil Croft UK.
Actually (a bit off topic I know), the Bounty played the ship that was destroyed by the Kraken in the second film (The Edinburgh Trader). The Black Pearl was portrayed by a dolled up barge and later by a vessel called the HMS Sunset.
Rest in peace for those who parish at sea, may God guide them to the other side, It sends chills down my spine watching this knowing her untimely fate and the peril they endured.
cool ship for real !!
This sad situation reminds me a lot of what happened to the captain and crew of the tall ship Fantome that sank off the bay islands of Honduras during Hurricane Mitch in 1998. They were also trying to evade the storm and made a lot of bad decisions until they had no options left. In that case all on board died. It's chronicled in a book titled "The Ship and the Storm". This is what happens when you look at a hurricane as just a dot on the map that seems easy to go around.
Wow, just read that this ship sunk during Hurricane Sandy. And that it played the ship "Black Pearl" from the movie "Pirates of the Caribbean". I don't know why the HMS Bounty was sailing during Hurricane Season.
What a shame , hurricane Sandy has taken the bounty, hope all are rescued, I hear the Captain is still missing, and 14 crew Members plucked from the Sea this evening ..
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I hate to admit it but one of my first thoughts was. The owner of the vessel wanted to collect on the insurance. I just didn't want to be the first to accuse any one of putting lives in danger for the sake of his on greed. I do hope all the crew arrives onshore safe and out of harms way. My prayers go out to the bold sailors of this vessel and their family who waits them onshore. Fair well Bounty yet another Tall ship sent to a watery grave.
All hands on dek!!!
This has always pissed me off ....a different crew should have sailed bounty.
I was aboard bounty as a teenager in Berkeley harbour as a kid ...no seamanship here!
mike a why should there have been a different crew?
Doesn't look theres any crew bar the person filming let alone a different one
The ship is lashed up with one lookout (the cameraman) its safest for the bad weather to have no crew on deck
Was there an agrument between the captain and crew about trying to save the ship?
This is a beautiful ship i live in southampton and get to see it when i go to greenport and its amazing, but i have a question is it really going up for sale
Gone now.
Hey Marc would you mind if we used this footage for a Treasure Hunting video we are working on? Thanks
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You also have to ask yourself. If a captain of a similar type vessel had our technology in reading out a storm of this magnitude would he set sail into it. Yes I agree they couldn't handle it once the power failed. It changes how you have to sail that ship. Like I said as experienced as the crew may have been to sail the ship they were not experienced enough to sail it in this storm.
Ships broke free from their moorings in NY and ended up on the beach. It all depends on where the storm hit. I ride everything out. The rougher the better.
It seems to have more burthen on the larboard side than starboard. Because it is rolling too much on the larboard!
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I won't be a rear seat-captain. Sorry to hear of the loss of Bounty. It's a scary experience - damn shame... I'm always sad to see another Tall Ship go down. I heard two missing; any news?
Is this the Bounty that visited the river Tyne back around 2008?
I visited her, had a walk around on board, very interesting.
Update 2 -- Captain lost at sea. The Coast Guard recovered a drowned crewmember's body -- ironically, Fletcher Christian's great-great-great-great-great granddaughter.
Cool footage. Is the deck empty because most were sea sick? In 1986 on this same ship, we made passage from Lunenburg to Chesapeak Bay and hit a NE'er with 70+ mph winds and 45' seas at times that lasted 33 hours. Sounded like the ship was coming apart and lines were growling really loud and the rain stings at this speed. I was paired with another guy at the helm doing manual steering for the whole time. I know how that feels to be there!
I've sailed smaller boats in high seas with less roll. Mainly because I turned into the wind. There should always be a helmsman at his post during high seas. Number one rule!
Today, 10-29-12 the HMS Bounty sank off the Coast of North Carolina during Hurricane Sandy. As I write this the US Coast Guard has rescued 14 of the crew and 2 are still being searched for. My prayers are with them and their families.
The young crewman says,"oh,God"; the vessel was rolling,a broach could be next.they weren't quite bare poling,in that, the storm jib was causing the ship to bare off encouraging a broach. This looks like a Barkentine, with the aft sail being fore and aft as opposed to square rigged. A drogue would not prevent the broach.I'm sorry for the crew,there for the grace... Go I
So if you were to go overboard in these conditions.. You'd be screwed? Or is there any chance of being recovered?
If you fall off and you aren't spotted you will most likely die. Life jackets aren't normally worn on deck, and hypothermia will kill you pretty quick anyway. Even if someone sees you fall off it takes a while to turn the ship around and people in the water are almost impossible to spot with even a small swell. You can get personal locater beacons which alert the other people on the ship when activated and also let them track you, but they are expensive and therefore aren't used on most ships
It does look like a globe in the middle of the ocean...
I don't know the story. Where can I look it up. Under wbat info?
MAN THE BILGE PUMP
We had 3 bilge pumps and a spare. All 4 quit working.
Is there any footage anywhere of it sailing right before hurricane Sandy plunged her into the depths of hell?
well, the captain did actually not want to sail into the hurricane but they were not fast enough it seems. he just wanted to take it out of the pier for the hurricane, and took the wrong route right into sandy.. so sad that at least 1 person had to die because of this and maybe even another one who is still missing.
Hey, guys, may I ask, is it possible the rudder to be damaged by storm? Falling in a pit from a wave, if it is a big wave? Or it is impossible?
It is possible. Not very likely but it can happen. Usually it's also possible to steer a boat with the sails only, without a rudder.
@@born2sail Thanks for the answer! I needed it for a fiction writing.
Yeah its possible. It would take a lot of force tho. Maybe striking the ground in a weird way or yeah rly rly big waves
Ok one more question, guys. If the rudder is of a small ship i mean really small one? I guess the answer is still yes?
deliberatly sailing into the path of a hurricane seems madness top me.with modern weather tools available i'm sure the spaniards woud nerver have sailed their galleons deliberatly into one or any one else with a lick of sense . i would have stayed in port resigned or jumped ship.lol.
+telena helotova is this not the beauty of sailing? man against the elements
Just because you CAN doesn't say you should!!!
However, in this video they are hove to, so that's why they are off the wind and rolling. It's a valid technique, guys--look it up.
Well, if this is the kind of seamanship typically practiced by her crew, it's no wonder HMS Bounty II sank. When you heave to you do so bow-on to the weather and waves, not nearly parallel to the waves as seen in this video. When large waves are hitting you abaft the bow or beam-on you run the risk of broaching-to. The waves here aren't that bad at all, but if they had been 10-15 ft higher and the ship was hove-to the way she is here, she probably would have rolled onto her port side and sank. Terrible violation of basic off-shore seamanship. Remember, the original Bounty sailed in conditions far worse than this and made it through quite easily. I really don't think this Bounty needed to heave-to in these conditions at all. The fact that she did says to me that the captain had no confidence in the crew or that he was timid.
I apologise for disagreeing, but she seems hove-to rather comfortably, making a knot or so to protect the rudder, and in absolutely no danger. There's a watch, and her crew are resting below in relative comfort, which is usually the object of the exercise. It may also be tactical navigation. Who knows?
***** As sixmagpies says, they appear to be hove to, which is a perfectly acceptable tactic in heavy weather, especially if the crew isn't a regular, experienced crew.
That said, she was a reproduction of a very old design (a novelty) & they shouldn't have been sailing her in anything but the best of conditions.
+DaGreenAndroid See the CZcams vid of a half hour interview with the capt--made on August 9th 2012, in Belfast harbor( USA) He boasts of always riding into the eye of Hurricanes . I'm no sailor--just expressing land lubber surprise--or common sense?
Well this bounty is a third the size of the first one.
No it isn't lol. The historical ship was only 90 feet long
What happend to the captain?
How large are these swells? Seems like chicken feed compared to what Sandy must have brought?
Thats scary!
Update -- Two missing. Rescuers faced 40mph winds and 18ft waves.
Looks like the Marie Celeste
Please be safe, all of ye.
i couldnt agree more, with rough seas like this,there should always be a minimum number of crew on deck,just in case they're needed,bad seamenship if you ask me..
Is this the voyage that she sank?
No.
No but as we can see she nearly did on this voyage..
where is the captain?
The safest place for a ship during a storm is out to sea.
RIP.
rip bounty
Nobody at the wheel!?
i hear a rather huge wave washed over the deck, and drowned the powerplant, & cracking the haul.......rip to the two crew members.....
you're absolutely right! they seem to be amateurs
I come form the world's second old sailing country (in any case the country with relatively the greatest amount of sailing ships and water) and everybody here knows you should put the nose/bow in the wind, especially when the waves are big /wonder what the official story will be / anyway it's a shame to let a great ship like the Bounty sink like a stone / never should have sailed out, should have stayed close to the shore
LeviBertrand / Holland
@twiday As I stated I have sailed tall ships and schooners and such. Again I am not a seasoned sailor. Sometimes it's true the ship may be best in open waters. But given this situation. She was already at dock in a river. All she had to do was sail up river for safe harbor. If she wanted to go out on open water she had more than enough time to travel North west away from the storm. I dont care how experienced a captain is. Pure common sense would tell you to do as such. Not to travel into it.
HMS Bounty, although I am mindful of not knowing the whole situation of the Bounty. I am also very aware of the fact that I am a part-time sailor and not a seasoned sailor by today's standards. I also feel as though today's seasoned sailors would be considered part-time sailors in the eyes of the sailors 200+ years ago .Please keep in mind as such.These are my personal feelings as to the HMS bounty and as stated above
A sad day indeed...
RIP
I have to look up hove to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nave alla cappa
Why is there no one on deck?
They are sick below deck,to much roll not enough sail up
Small mizen would keep the nose up a bit more
No crew at the helm..not running into the wind...are we daft? Leaving her in port during this storm would have been tragic, she would have been destroyed...so taking her out was the right thing to do....but skirt the coast to the north.....keeping her out of deep water. what a shame. My father -in-law sailed on her when he was in the Navy...during a film shoot in the South Pacific, He died two days ago...he would have been crushed to see her go down....nearly to the day he died. So sad
Sadly they are reporting that she has now gone down under Hurricane Sandy. What a tragedy.
>=D now that!!!!! is what games should look like, a camera right by the wheel on 3rd person view. with guild players aboard
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At the time I said to myself God speed to the crew and fair well Bounty for this will be the last time I may see you afloat.If I were captain of that ship there would be no destination important enough to sail to endangering the life of the crew and risk losing another wooden tall ship.If we didn't have the technology we have today then I wouldn't pass judgment. At the time they were too far out the storm was estimated to be 900 miles wide.
I say build her a sister ship to carry on the name! (The Bounty ll).
acerb45666555. Ahhhh I think you may have to name it the Bounty IV as three ships have been built already. The original HMS Bounty and one for the first movie in the 1930s and then one for the second movie in 1962.
Hurricane Sandy sank her. Prayers for the crew memeber that didnt make it and the lost captain.
You sure this isn't the Marie Celeste....poor Bounty
freaky
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I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS LEADING UP TO THIS TRAGEDY. The captain of the boat was a fool for leaving New London. He deliberately put the crew and ship in danger. Shame on the coast guard for letting them leave. When I saw what their next port of call was I knew they would have to go through the storm.
A prelude to the stupidity of losing this ship.
almost heeled on beam ends, a real puke vessel.
who gave to order to man life rafts?
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I would think to much water to cover in a short amount of time to get around the storm. Plus if they didn't feel safe at the New London docks they could have gone up river just like The Barque Eagle does during storms like this. I'm sorry but I stand my ground there is no good reason to sail directly into a storm. Think about it though. 150 years plus these people had more experience sailing in foul weather then most or even all of the tall ship sailors today.
why was she listing so badly to port?
Francis Russo That was where the fat girl was sitting.
She was side on in the swells, they were probably on a fixed heading and so didn't angle in properly.
dropped in last year :((
They'll never be another, sad really.
13,000 feet below! Will need big scooper. Not to worry....China has a Bounty! (1 left)
Haha only if the pier is sitting 60 nm off of cape hatteras.. I was on a tallship, walled up to some dolphins at the end of pier only in a kinda protected bay and we felt nothing but rain from sandy. Hell we didn't even blow a fender.. but if your still idiotic to think your ship would be destroyed at a pier during a storm.. then go anchor up a river rather then power into 13000 ft of sea off of hatteras like thats a good idea.
Ya bub , I was in The Adirondacks with mountains between me and the storm... the winds were making my 1/2 ton pick-up fishtail on the road... big trees came down...
can someone put up a sail wtf!
The ship has 1 sail set for stormy conditions. Who in their right mind would go full canvas into this kind of weather.?
A sail at that time would be stupid, they should adjust their heading to stop the roll by pointing with the wind, but I am not one to make judgement so maybe they know something here that I don't.
We blew a hole in every sail put up. Which is one of many reasons we set course for Bermuda against the arrogant Captain's wishes. We were simply out of cloth.
Not even rough. Just a little choppy. Hardly any white caps
The captain was incompetent and stupid. Going down with the ship served him right..