Rings of Power Is TOXIC George R.R. Martin Asks Why?
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power is releasing cast interviews and new tv series footage regularly in preparation for the Amazon Prime Video release. But is all press good press, or can some cast interviews give the wrong impression about LOTR: The Rings of Power and it's entertainment value. George R.R. Martin asks why are fans so toxic? Star Trek, Star Wars and now Rings of Power have all faced backlash recently, J. R. R. Tolkien and Rings of Power is just the latest. But is this the fans fault, or somewhere closer to home?
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There have been so many interviews, panels and articles out that when you go through them all for a video like this, it's ASTONISHING what everyone has said. This was just some of the highlights in the intro! It's amazing how proud people can be about doing something like this, and be it in the most insufferable manner. This was their grand marketing plan, with less than a month left we're in the home stretch and there will be no turning back now. So let me know what you think of the comments made in the video, and let me know your thoughts on the whole Amazon vs Peter Jackson Debacle down below. And as always, thanks for watching :)
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God help us.....this sophia nomvette is about as palatable as herpes and just as hard to shake off!
These interviews have been some of the worst things I've ever seen lol... These are LITERAL nails in Amazons RoP Coffin I think... Dead on arrival mate...
Man the actress for Disa is obnoxious, talk about appropriating culture as she tries to pretend to be a descendent of slaves from another country..
It’s interesting how no one ever talks about how great the show is. All you hear is how great it is just because of the diversity in casting.
_“If you don’t like a show, don’t watch it.”_
Good advice. That's what I'm going to do.
Yep, not even going to pirate it.
What exactly will that prove for you ?
I hope no one watches it
I'm just going to watch all the galadriel man-spreading moments
@@jordenrisley6761 this series is gonna flop,they are catering for a piece of population that dont care about this franchise,
they should have gone GOT style,go nerd hardcore at season 1 and then make it woke later on after they pass the trojan horse throught the nerds.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” - JRR Tolkien
Its not evil, its stupidity
stop it. that quote is so overused. it had a deeper meaning and you geeks are just using it for some shitty show.
Ironic to say these things on this channle. Remember Disparu thinks its racist for a single person to represent a people, even tho its impossible for anyone to not do that, kinda dumb if you ask me. Talking about evil most people think you cant have a great story without some evil thing happening, in short most people that want to be smart without being self-aware will stay being dumb.
@@Pyramid789 evil often comes from stupidity and other way around
@@CruiserDynasty how is it "impossible" to not represent a people? Every normal person doesn't want that.
Because they insult and lie to the fans. That's why.
Disney Star Wars in a nutshell
@@chasehedges6775 that Twitter fiasco tho
for starters...
And treat them like shit plus alienating them while calling them racists and bigots.
Amen.
Here's a little experiment that might help George grasp why fans turn against a franchise. First, we serve him a culinary masterpiece and allow him to sample it. Once he exclaims how much he adores it, we take back the food, drop dog poop on top and hand it back. When he makes a face, we shout at him, "WHAT THE HELL, GEORGE, YOU SAID YOU LOVED IT! DON'T YOU LIKE CHANGE?!"
And then scream and screech how it's never been seen or done before and that it was necessary.
I'm old enough to remember when actors used to talk about the joy and challenge of playing a complex, nuanced character that they had to reach beyond themselves to find and portray convincingly. Now it's "the character is female and black, and I'm female and black, isn't that awesome?!?"
Seriously, has she no professional pride?
Right,it used to be ACTING
@@pachuko5192 nope
Do you realize that they're literally pandering to the lowest common denominator? The goal of socialists is a permanent underclass of the mentally deficient.
Hahha a sad joke🤣
"I don't understand how people can hate what they once loved."
You've never had a girlfriend, have you George?
Best comment. 🤣
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Amazing comment
😂😂😂😂
I can't say if Amazon gave him 5.000.000$ to say this line or if he's seriously that delusional, thinking that people hate The Lord of the Rings and Tolkien now because they don't like this crappy streaming service show
When she calls her own casting "a necessary redress of power" she's basically saying Tolkien is a racist. I'm not sure how they expect any Tolkien fans to support such a terrible, disrespectful attitude
Even if he was it wouldn't matter. Same thing happened to HP Lovecraft. Socialists cannot leave the past alone because it contains information that allows for their defeat. So does the present and future, but they'll never let logic stand in their way...
@@PerfectTangent what was HP Lovecraft's cat's name again?
I forgot.
It was on the tippedy tip of my tongue...
Doubt she would speak so disrespectfully of an African writer who draws from native mythology and populates the story with Africans.
@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 1 he didn't name his cat his father did. 2 black white or asian if you were alive back then you were likely a racist
I love the old clip Disparu pulled up, it looks like this is her MO with any part she takes. It's what makes it worse than if this was just an actress taking her talking points too far, she was hired specifically to go around making these points.
As a woman I never had an issue with the predominantly male cast in Tolkien’s books and in the movie adaptations. I never watched it, or read through the texts, and thought “I can’t enjoy this because there so few women”, or “I can’t enjoy this because the women in this don’t look like me/the characters aren’t my race/sexual orientation/don’t have my disability” (when I very well could have).
I love the original stories for what they are, identified with the characters that were so expertly portrayed (regardless of if they were a man or not), and was moved by the companionship written. I didn’t feel the need to insert myself.
When I crave representation, I find works and creators that cater to that-I don’t twist already existing creations or expect people to bastardize them for me.
Exactly! My sister and I love the main cast because they are relatable. I never felt unrepresented by any of them.
An d if you want to argue the empowered female characters, Eowyn is powerful she kills the witch king for goodness sakes and is holding a falling apart kingdom together for years, Galadreil is so powerful etc....
@@unasperanza9803 yes! growing up I really appreciated the way Eowyn was portrayed. Not an aggressive/callous strength, like RoP’s guyladriel, but definitely strong and grounded in her character, morals and values (while standing up to old patriarchal traditions). I loved Arwen too. I liked the way Tolkien wrote a lot of the women in his books because they were all distinct, and had their own stories and motivations.
When you have good writing it makes such a difference in the story, regardless of whether or not what is written explicitly represents you 😂. The show is so painful to watch LOL
Standing up and slow clapping. It is a great story with amazing characters (including string women that never felt less than the male characters) besides I don't need someone that check all the boxes of who I am to be represented. I felt Frodo's melancholy at the end of his journey, and Aragorn's conflicted thoughts...I can g on forever,
Exactly ! These renovations are ruining everything we appreciated about these stories with these agenda infusions.
_"How can people who love Tolkien hate The Rings of Power?"_
Well that's easy, George - they're two different things.
It's a bit like saying: _"How can people who love pancakes hate shark attacks?"_
I would say “ How can people who love pancakes hate waffles !
@@Romanskeet pancakes and waffles can be made from the same material. This wokeism would be opposed by Tolkien.
@@Romanskeet No, he said it right the first time.
Because Rings of Power is not Tolkien. They don't have any rights to any of the stories from that time era (Silmarillion, basically). They only have the rights to the character- and location names. The rest of the show is entirely made up. It's not Tolkien.
In their dissonant brains, they probably find that an astute comparison. 🤣
50 years ago, when writers loved Tolkien's world, but still found it incomplete or unsatisfying, they wrote their own books.
But that would require actual effort on their part.
@@zeldahylia8549 Are you ready for this? They also paid people to illustrate the book covers back then. Can you believe it?
@@donovanmedieval WHA-? They took their money and GAVE it to people who worked for them instead of ghosting illustrators trying to get their payment? What madness!
@@zeldahylia8549 They'd have to be literate.
No they didn't write shit but look up soaps from 1980's and stick a minority race in there to pretend its new and attempt to make money off it.
Good news: I never purchase any streaming subscriptions... why? These actors and writers and producers and companies make plenty of stupids who can't find ways to get the junk for free... unfortunately even free... I can't finish much of the crap that comes out, just glad I never paid anything for the garbage in the first place, but do insist they refund me money for wasting my time.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” - a real writer
Tolkein fans when black people
_If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?_
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
it resumes all european culture robbing the rest of the planet and corrupting everysingle continent with the worst culture the planet has ever seen.
sounds like Tolkien, how Sauron, corrupled Saruman, and how Sauron corrupted elves transforming them into orcs.
@@DubiaFluctuant Morgoth/Melkor, not Sauron.
What drives me insane is martin himself is the one person who knows what its like to see something you loved and worked on be bastardized... he was literally taken off and shoved aside on a show based on his own writings. His words were beyond so disingenuous its saddens me to hear him say that
Or his mind is in denial to protect himself from going mad.
@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 ether way hes the one person that should very well know why we are the way we are about crap like the rings of power but yeah that might be true
I think he's saying that because he means it. If you don't like what his actual opinion is that is fine. But it's crazy to try to act like he's not being honest.
He produced house of the dragon. He’s part of the very problem that he’s refuting.
@@billyb4790 I have terrible news for you friend. He can't ruin a story he created, it's kind of weird you think you can tell him what his story was supposed to be about.
"I don't understand how people can come to hate something that they once loved."
Betrayal George...it's called betrayal.
he's speaking from experience because he well remembers the backlash to the last two seasons of GoT - because he didn't write them. He's fat and lazy and hasn't written a book in a decade - and never will.
Too true.
because its the opposite of what they loved
"You know nothing, George Snow..!"
We still love the originals, its the new stuff that they crammed with politics and their own bs that we think sucks.
As an Iranian/Canadian never once have i watched the movies and thought to myself “you know what,I wish Aragorn or whoever was Persian”.
It’s like creating a solution to a problem that never existed. At least for me
Thank you for saying that, it needs to be heard widely. I agree that diversity seems to be a solution to a problem that never existed, but it gives an opportunity to a lot of people to milk some money and positions and status out of the system somewhat unfairly.
@@deyahdn3 well said !!
It’s almost like they’re saying when those movies came out only caucasians watched the movies and others boycotted it.
It’s so ridiculous.
It's like if Europeans injected themselves into African myths. I thought cultural appropriation was seen as bad by the left? I guess it's only bad for certain ethnicities and not others. As LOTR is a mythic story inspired by European history and languages.
Can I ask, were you offended that the Haradrim are essentially Mid. Eastern? I should think not, from what you write. But that's what they try to peddle. That Peter Jackson's movies are "offensive".
Exactly. I never wanted an Urdu speaking Dwarf or a brown Elf either. We're perfectly FINE with watching characters as they were written. They need to stop speaking for us & ruining the things that we love too! FFS.
Just a few weeks away from the Rings of Power premier and I am LITERALLY SHAKING with anticipation! I can't wait to get home from work, put on some comfy clothes, grab a blanket, pop some popcorn... and watch all the CZcams reviewers tear this show a new one! This crash and burn will put the Hindenburg disaster to shame!
Had me in the first half ngl
Both you and this comment are a treasure.
@@nicholasgulla4666 yeah same, I'll be gladly doing the same thing
Heh, that was great. :D
I also suggest protein popcorn! Mmm...good stuff!
Either that or watching the Extended Editions ☺
Fans aren’t “toxic” because the things they love change, they’re justifiably upset because narcissists and sociopaths use every dirty trick in the book to seize control of the things people love so that they can use them for the dual message of “the fact of your basic existence makes you a horrible person, but the fact of _my_ existence makes me perfect and above criticism.”
People aren’t going to support anything that tells them they’re monsters for being who they are, and if people wanted to be preached at they’d go to a church or other religious institution.
I would add to that and say to a fan of a great book or story there is something called 'canon', you want it to be real and true to the original author. Tolkien takes this almost to the extreme, he was so immensely specific about his world he even gave back history and wrote languages and included spellings and grammar. People have published atlases of his world and geographers have debated his topography.
So yes though they're excited when a well known book becomes a movie, there is a certain expectation almost as if the directors/actors must live up to it.
And changing details like introducing race or swapping genders, or even throwing in new characters that may not have been part of the original story, to satisfy people's own personal goals of self fulfillment or feelings of social vindication et al.... these mess with the winning formula as it were and can have disastrous results!
On rare occasion it does work. Radagast the Brown for instance in Jacksons' movies, I enjoyed a lot. But they still generally followed the script.
The thing is we don’t hate what we loved. What is on tv, in cinemas and printed today is NOT, and will NEVER BE, what I loved. And what I love is still there. I have all of tolkiens works on my book shelf. And many other such legendary authors too. Same with films, tv shows and comics. And I love them still. I despise the pretenders that people seem to thinks passes for entertainment these days.
Back to the books! What a disappointment. I was actually thrilled these shows were being made. I'm certainly over it now.
Exactly!! How is that so hard for some to understand??? Heck, we are upset at Amazon _because_ we love and respect Tolkien and his works so much. It would actually be a betrayal to Tolkien to "love Rings of Power" because we know from his letters (where he was very vocal about hating adaptations that change too much) that he would absolutely in no way condone Rings of Power.
But we still love Tolkien's works. Heck, I'm loving them more and more the worse this shitshow gets because they show us what a truly _good_ story is, which seems to be something modern show-writers (those adapting books anyway) are incapable of doing.
For sure. The cast of this series is taking a stand to say they don't give a crap about Tolkien. Well gosh I am so enthused to see a series that the actors in it dont give a crap about. I'm absolutely sold... on just staying away.
ive got a third edition of lotr on my bookshelf. its starting to fall apart but its complete. now shall i go read that or watch this show...hmmm what a dilemma.
@@TheSuperappelflap my copy of Silmarillion is like that - it's literally fallen apart into chunks that I have to keep together with a rubber band around them! I have multiple copies of Hobbit and LOTR though, and recently bought a brand new copy of Unfinished Tales as a treat to myself :D I also got a discounted copy of Atlas of Middle Earth online for only $7 because the cover was damaged. I didn't get to see the damage before buying but even if the cover was missing it was worth it. Then it arrived and the cover has only a minor dent!!!! And the book is AMAZING. I recommend every Tolkien lover get an Atlas of Middle Earth if they don't have one already. Tolkien reviewed all the maps before publishing so they're not just fan-maps, they were approved by the legend himself! :D
He fails to acknowledge that Star Trek fans still love the old Star Trek, Star Wars fans still love the original trilogy, and Tolkien fans still love the books and (probably) the lord of the rings film.
People dislike remakes that dishonour the source material.
Word
Can someone please send Martin this quote?
Tolkien would've (probably) thought the Peter Jackson trilogy dishonored his works. The hate for this show seems so unnecessary. No one is changing what Tolkien wrote. His books still exist in virtually the same way that he wrote them. As a Tolkien fan, I cannot wait to see this series and I hope it helps bring new fans to the legendarium just like the LOTR trilogy helped bring me into the legendarium ~20 years ago.
@@KyleDrone Ratio
All but the battle of 5 armies. The movies were pretty good up through Smaug’s death.
This is not progression, this is actually regression. The LOTR trilogy was successful because it gave people hope, raised them up, they did not have to do virtue signaling! Or bully people into
Sheer fucking hubris...
You are so wrong. The movies did plenty of virtue signaling. Aren't was no ringwraith fighting superhero in the books, but you don't have a problem with it because the herd of sheeple you are a part of hasn't made an issue of it.
@@jeremyanderson3819 I won't say you're wrong.. I often have to look up the definition of virtual singling but where do you feel it exists in Jacksons LOTR?
@@jeremyanderson3819 Nobody here in this commentary section agrees with you. Why can't you people see?
@@jeremyanderson3819 Let me guess... Youre one of these "activists" too right?
My opinion of Jackson's LOTR trilogy shifting over the years:
- When the movies first came out
That was enjoyable. Decent. They changed some things from the books but its ok I can live with it. Not bad at all.
- 10 years later on one of the rewatches
Hey, this actually holds up pretty well. What a good cast we had at the time, how lucky we were. The changes from the books don't matter as much as I thought, because they don't change what matters and the feelings of the books and the source material are there.
- 20 years later with rings of power s01 done
Wow let me see that freaking masterpiece again! It will never be topped. The guys must have been on crack when they made these three movies. Perfection. Bring me those insanely good makeups and prosthetics back, that master swordsman called Aragorn that loved training with the sword to become one with the role, the huff-puffing humble wizard and give me those CG done right. Wish more directors were as professional when adapting fantasy books! Damn!
Too right. I was obsessed with the trilogy as a kid but 20 years later I have a newfound adoration that goes far beyond nostalgia. Pure dedication, love, patience, skills, talent and teamwork is why it is a masterpiece; the 2000s were a sweet spot for Hollywood which has long ago peaked for such standards but The Rings of Power is truly a sign of the times and a reflection of Amazon's personal priorities
@@Americanpartybomb101 Indeed my friend, this goes far beyond any nostalgia. It was pure talent and dedication, and attention to detail. True love for the source material above all.
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Lord of the rings is good due to its casts and extras working very good to make Tolkiens work come true
I always thought the LOTR movies were perfection, seeing them as a kid. I think I had read the Hobbit in school at one point. After that, I read the Fellowship, but none of the other books. Any novel adaptation to a film is necessarily going to drop some things, you just can't feasibly include everything, but I daresay the LOTR adaptations might be some of the best films adapted from a book ever. Iconoclastic. Even the Hobbit movies I love. A little bit less probably, not quite the masterpiece, but still top notch. I don't mind that they made up some new characters and added back Legolas to pad out the run time. Still a cool trilogy.
“How has everything become so toxic?...”
Maybe because the licences for the things we are “fans” of, are being completely destroyed and filled with Political ideology, ultimately destroying what the original product stood for
And if George Arrrrr Arrrrr Martin even understood that simple fact, then he wouldn’t of made this stupid statement
if they wanna see themselves on screen so bad. they can just look at themselves in a mirror. "oh look, you see yourself."
@@jackielogan9104 It’s because they know that if they made their own stories, they would fail
So these “activists” have to annoyingly occupy what is great and we all love
And it’s all being corrupted. Thankfully, most true fan bases are glad they are gatekeeping some of the last bastions
Lost my shit on "george arrr arrr martin"
Was going to make this same point but I'm glad that someone else beat me to it.
George is obsessed with Aragorn's tax policy.
Also, "I don't understand how fans who live and die by cannon get mad when you completely disregard it." - HOLLYWOOD.
Canon*
@@decem_sagittae both.
I bet there are a lot of artillery officers who are also fans of Tolkien.
@@JM-mh1pp He who lives by the cannon dies by the Cannon. 🤣
People don't "hate what they once loved," George. They hate how the thing they love has been perverted and exploited. I can't remember who it was, but an author was asked about a bad movie adaptation of his work "what do you think about them ruining your book?" And he said, "they didn't ruin my book. It's still there on the shelf." Tolkien's work speaks for itself, no matter what Amazon does with their horrible show.
he means that people hate it unopenly, hence the perverse need to warp the content to fit their beliefs
Exactly, don’t use our fucking thing for your political agenda. It’s so fucking dumb and I’m so glad the extended series of lotr exists so I can’t watch that over and over again instead of this dumbass show
the subverters were never fans
Was this the Eragon writer? 😂 I wish it were.
@@realtalunkarku You do know that Lord of the Rings is a subversion of Richard Wagner The Ring, right?
i wonder how mr Martin would react if they did a remake of GoT and made the following changes:
1. Tyrion is a 7 foot tall Asian woman who can 1 shot large beasts
2. Recast all members of the Stark family with 1 Lithuanian, 1 Guatemalan, 1 Algerian, 1 Filipino, 1 Dane, 1 South Korean, and 1 New Zealander
3. Jon Snow struggles with his identity and decides to identify as a female dragon before usurping the throne from Dany
4. Cersei and Dany actually become BFFs after a long debate on how the Patriarchy forced them into this horrible state of affairs
5. The current show runners claim that the original author was a racist, misogynist son of a longshoreman and got it all wrong
6.
That fatass would be too comatose and indecisive to notice or care.
"I don't understand how someone could come to hate something they once loved."
He doesn't understand that we don't hate what we used to love, we still love the same thing we did, which is why we are fans of those things. The thing we hate is the attempt to change the thing we love into something else entirely.
We are not the ones who changed. Therefore it isn't on US to adapt. We love what we loved, if you ignore that, it is on you, not the fans.
He's full of shit.
I think it's safe to say that fans want new stories set in these IPs, what we generally don't want is changing these IPs into something new.
he is too knee deep into Hollywood culture to understand loving something without any money or physical pleasure transaction.
He comes across as really unintelligent with comments like that. I know he is intelligent so therefore he is dishonest.
George came off as being delusional and detached from what it really means to be a fan and appreciator of a creators work. Why would it be ok to take someone's life work, literally, and twist it to suit your message or your imagination? If you're going to do that, create your own IP, why take something already established, loved by millions and for decades, and literally FUCK it up because "the message!" I expected more from George myself, because how would he like it if GoT was twisted in such a way everything is unrecognizable? Oh wait...I think he might already be ok with that, nvm, carry on.
This woman that plays the "first female Dwarf" is so outspoken, dominates every interview...and she has a tiny part in the story.
She's become, even with everything else they've done, the PRIMARY reason I'm not going to click on this show even once. She's insufferable.
Indeed, have you seen the face of the blond guy who often sits next to her in interviews an panels. He looks so embarrassed.
Shove it all in our faces!
Yeah, but she does have an incredibly stupid hairdo
almost seem proud to ruin the show tbh.
GRRM: 'If you don't like the show, don't watch it.'
Me: 'Can do, George.'
Doing that with Rings of Power and House of the Dragon as well haha
Yea this strategy of telling the public not to watch your product has worked so well lately for so many other creators.
They also call you racist it sexist if you don't tune in, a crowd which includes the people they're trying to pander to.
Me too, I was never going to watch it as soon as the woke propaganda started.
He got that right at least despite the rest of his clueless commentary.
When I saw a Wizard I couldn't really have a connetion with a character, then I saw a Hobbit that was still kinda alien to me. Then they introduced an Elf and a Dwarf and a Man and I still wasn't able to asossiate with their motives and actions. But now that I saw female Dwarf finally after all this years I can see their problems their struggle as mine. Really eye opening experience
Well, that's weird because I would tell you I read the Tombs of Atuan whose main character was a 12-17 year old girl who was a priestess and prisoner queen of a city in the middle of a desert, and I connected with the character and was fully vested through it all. Even though I am nothing like that in my life. In fact it is one of my favorite stories, it was a masterpiece imo. I honestly think that's what makes a great writer!
If objecting to something makes someone toxic, then the haters of the fans are also toxic. There is nothing toxic about expressing disapproval of something. I love Star Trek, but dislike shows that are Star-Trek-in-name-only. I love Middle-earth, but disapprove of shows that are Middle-earth-in-name-only. Expressing disapproval does not make me toxic, but only someone who doesn't cave in to corporate narratives.
Amen
They hate the fact we're threatening their paychecks. Yet we don't owe them anything. They already made it and got paid. It matters not if we consume it.
Kinda wild from the people that care so much about agency and progression. Basically want people to shut up and deal with it.
Hardly anyone agrees on any political or religious matters, even people who follow the same party or scriptures.
I think entertainment free of politics tends to unite people on common thinking. Inserting this propaganda just will not ever do that.
@@Notarealchannelok It is only one side who loves politcs being dragged in everything and it’s The left, and for some reason they keep doing it even though it is only one side who likes it and it is also The poor side who can’t pay for stuff like Disney+
as a Star Trek fan, I'm enjoying Strange New Worlds and The Orville
"I don't understand how people can come to hate something that they once loved" thats actually hilarious because George made a really great series that someone else came through and covered in shit in the last two seasons and now even the most die hard GoT fan hates it. He's in the perfect position to know whats going on and still doesn't
If HBO hadn't thrown so much money and had so much talent at adapting that dreck of an choppy paceless unfinishable shitheap of juvenilia that is ASOIAF you would never have heard of it- it was other people's talent that took the early seasons to the next level. Shame about how it worked out- how would you compare season eight to how A Dream of Spring wound u- oh.
@@voluntaryismistheanswer As it happens I and many, many others read the books before the show came out. They were really, really popular in their own right and for good reason. If your argument is that one person had to stand on another's shoulders its pretty obvious who needed who. The quality of the show after they ran out of books just gets worse and worse progressively.
They still pulled off some great stuff, like Jon's lineage but again all the hard parts like anticipation, clues and red herrings were all done by the books.
And yeah, it does suck the books never finished. If the writers for the show had had them for a basis and they hadn't rushed the ending to get the job on starwars (that was pulled after season8) mb the show would have had a good ending too :(
@@joshuagodwin8565 agree I'm by no means a reader but I had read the books before the show even existed and waited 7 seasons before finally breaking down and watching the show. I was flipping through the channels one day and noticed the title of the episode that was getting ready to start "battle of the bastards". I thought I'd just watch a few mins and ended up watching the whole damn episode, then told my wife we had to run to the store. Came back with every season they had released and we binge watched them. I was extremely happy with casting aside from Robert (not the actors fault) and somewhat with the show as I understood their limitations transferring the story to the screen. The sand snakes storyline in the show was AWFUL and of course was followed by the worst wrap up of all time.
@@latestplague3762
man i hated how the show turned the elegant deadly terrifying otherworldly whitewalkers/"Others" into zombies that wield ice cream for swords lmao, they even turned mystical monstrous direwolves into oversized doggos lol. i had a lots of gripes with the show and only watched snippets and clips.
but really really enjoying HoTD so far i love it
@@voluntaryismistheanswer ASOIAF hater detected, opinion debunked: First, Martin's political opinions should not be used to judge his art.
Second: the books are better than even the first four seasons of the show, and its more than clear the seasons that diverged from the source materials are far worse, courtesy of he mentally handicapped directors who rushed it all...when they could have, at least, checked the tons of great fan theories and darn fanfics that accurately predicted how the books were going to end according to Martin himself.
I remember the days when actors - even top tier actors - where humble enough to thank for the opportunity to play a role in one of the big franchises, like LotR, Star Wars, Star Treck - just to name a few.
Actors who actually went out of their way in interviews and said they hope they managed to please the fans and hope the movie/show/whatever will be liked.
I remember McKellen saying not to long ago that actors are just "playing pretend" so he is very aware on what an actor is doing.
Yeah, that are qualities of good actors, who put effort in, and think about the fanbase, are humble enough to know they are just part of something. Or at least they are intelligent enough to not spout their narcissistic nonsense.
Comparing them to those activists, its just hilarious how little they understand how the world works, or the movie industry should work, or how interaction with fans should look like.
And George R.R. Martin? To be frank: I am not really suprised at all that he does not understand why fans react in a way, he is ignoring the fans wishes of his own works for years now.
@@devinreese7704 You can't argue however that his books have a very strong story, very good and interesting characters. Things a story should focus on.
I can look at the recent MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who just to name a few of the better known and beloved franchises (at least for a time), and can honestly say: most of the stuff they release don't focus on those things at all. Stories have issues in themselfs, or contradict existing stories/lore. Characters get changed to something they never been before to fit something else, where you should honor what was before.
At least in my opinion: you can write something new, and make up whatever you want, that is fine. If it is good I'd bet that alot of people will watch and enjoy it. But if you take something existing, you better make sure you don't contradict what came before, you don't destroy what was established. But that is what they do - and obviously alot of fans don't want what they came to love be handled in such a way.
Martins written works, as talented as he is, do nothing to lift the spirit or leave you with any sense of meaning or purpose - for that reason his comments do not surprise me.
@@Rakshiir Wait, are you saying you can't argue Tolkien had good characters and such, or Martin's?
@@MegaSpideyman I was talking about Tolkien, since the other comment by Devin Reese talked about who he wrote for, or if he wrote for fans. And that his work back then was not as successful. Which is true, but what I meant is: it doesn't matter who or why he wrote the stuff or even that it wasn't as successful then. He still wrote good characters and an amazing story (and thats something that is hard to objectively argue with) - indicated by the fact that it needed to be translated in so many languages because people all over the world wanted to read it. Because it is the story and the characters that people love, it doesn't matter what race, skin color they are (even though Tolkien described that stuff) - what mattered is that the writing was good, both character and story.
Compare that to the stuff that they write these days, mostly for shows and movies, where the main focus is not a story, or interesting characters.
Maybe it wasn't clear, english is not my first language so I do make mistakes for sure.
Cry me a river. Go and be an actor then?
Believe it or not, I’m honestly impressed by this woman’s enthusiasm, mainly because it makes it so easy to see her as the “change agent” she so desperately wants to be. She’s a cultist who’s in their evangelical stage, so overflowing with confidence - even though she doesn’t have any capacity for critical thought. I would wish for a hundred like her in the industry, if only to make it easier to identify them.
You're one of the few people I see in the wild who sees this prog shit for what it really is - a cult. Its literally just the new church of the western world, and its infinitely more shit than the old church (the actual Christian church).
My dude... it's an actress telling people to watch the piece of media she's in because the studio wants her to. This has been part of modern media for decades. It's not a cult. It's business.
Take a chill pill.
tell me the difference between a business and a cult these days then. Companies like apple, tesla and what not do have a cult like following bc noone ever questions them.
Its so bad its not even "1984" anymore. Today feels like we live in 1939 middle europe again
@@cbg1609
Oh yes, actresses talking about how you should buy their product truly is worse than a police state that literally tortures people into compliance if they so much as think about criticism.
You may also take a chill pill, now.
You are so mad omg. The whole diversity thing in this show is all about marketing it’s not her fault they’re using her for it
Come on George. People are not "Hating Tolkien*, they hate what Amazon is doing to Tolkien and you know it.
Yeah he is a lying old feminist cuck.
George: *plugs his ears* BLAH BLAH BLAH! I hate Tolkien! blah blah blah! I hate the new version of Tolkien blah blah!
Yeah us tolkien fans just hate black people!
yep he's only saying this because people once loved Game of Thrones and now hate it because of how awful the last seasons were
@@Ant12468 no we hate it because that jackass does not goddamn finish the books.
George, as a writer YOU can change your work midstream if YOU want, but Tolkien is dead. His work is written. Respect it.
Cheers mate!
Also, there's a difference between making changes in order to make an adaptation or translation and making changes to things that don't need to be changed.
Hoping J.R.R.R.R. Martin lives long enough to see a reboot of game of thrones with 70% of it altered. Would love to see if his reaction matches his reaction to corporations mangling Tolkien's world and lore
He would sing something different
He wont live that long, and Game of Thrones is already woke and stupid
They already butt raped Game of Thrones, I think he cares mostly about money.
Even if Martin was way older, he'd have to sell his rights to GoT before they make these kinda drastic alters to the story without his approval. The issue is that the rights can be sold to whomever will pay whats asked and they can turn it into whatever they want it to be.
I imagine the Starks would be black, have an adopted hispanic child. More gay/trans representation and every villain would most certainly be a straight white male. They would also include pro immigration influences in regards to the wildlings and any dialogue concerning them. White walkers aren't the real threat, it's the patriarchy, its toxic males. The Lannisters would be a mirror reflection of the Trumps. Arya Stark will single handedly take over the Iron Throne and will inherit the first historic era of a "socialist" Westeros. We discover at this point that Arya is a bisexual immigrant from another continent, she was never a Stark. All dragons and livestock would be put down because they are a global warming threat to the kingdom.
Being a woke writer sure is an easy gig.
My love for Tolkien hasn't changed one bit. Rings of Power, however, is not Tolkien.
How dare you not mindlessly consume garbage. Eat bugs, own nothing.
"Evil can not create, only corrupt and destroy"
J.R.R. Tolkien
GRR Martin has a vested interest in DESTROYING Tolkien’s Ring… after wasting away his own gift as a story teller… his only hope is to trash a REAL EPIC!!!
@@TheGeoDaddy AHAHAHAHA.
So true...
"Tolkien never actually said that" sun tzu art of war
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."
It's truly astonishing how obsessed this cast seems to be with "injecting" me me me into the character. Whether it's their own hubris or they've been instructed to peddal all that by amazon, it really tells you a lot about this whole enterprise.
It's also a big reflection on the modern values which they think are going to sell best. The younger generations care a lot more about the self and their image and getting personal recognition for every aspect of their lives then any previous generation has. Individual fame, acclaim, and self worship are super common these days.
I also don't get the idea of the audience seeing themselves in characters they've never seen represented. There are thousands upon thousands of movies going back decades with black women. This isnt the 1950s.
Last time I checked actors are pretenders who pretend to be someone else
These guys just force themselves and their personalities into middle earth. This sht is literal invasion lol
They are narcissists. Everything out of that actress' mouth equates to: "I can only relate to me. I am the face of you. I've talked enough about me; now you talk about me."
I've seen many clips of the male costars sitting with looks of incredulity, fidgeting, and eye-rolling as this woman who plays a bit token character blathers on and on about her greatness because of the diversity that was granted her non-meritoriously merely by the act of being born.
Not one of the cast has been shown expounding upon the wonder and magic of Middle-Earth. Not one of them can mention how Middle-Earth was a love letter from father to son. He invoked a hero's journey and took it to its inevitable end of returning home to enjoy the peace he helped create. And, once home,--the place he never wanted to leave--he raised up a family. Much like all the brave young men who served in WW I--as Tolkien did--the purpose of the Fellowship was to make the world a better place to live.
And there were women. Women of beauty and grace, women of wisdom, and even a woman tempered by both bitterness and hero worship who sought to fight alongside the men. Do we see much of Rosie Cotton? No. Like a love letter carried by a young soldier, we learn of her only through Sam's reminiscing; likewise, really, with Arwen. There is nothing wrong with that! I never felt as though women got the short end of Tolkien's treatment. The women may not have been in the foreground or spoken directly to each other, but they were supporting the entire world. The wains of Rohan and Gondor who fled to preserve the children and future of their people demonstrated strength and nobility in desperate times and, at ten years of age, this girl understood all that intrinsically through Tolkien's portrayal.
I grew up loving the heroic tragedy and healing of Éowyn, the nobility of Faramir. Aragorn was an Odysseus without the flaws, possessed of humility, a true King at all times. Frodo was as Aragorn to the other Hobbits, only flawed by his relationship to the One Ring. It was simple Samwise Gamgee, earnest soldier and loyal friend who was the true hero of the tale. It was J. R. R. Tolkien imbuing his son with the nobility of the Simple Man that made TLotR so timeless.
Wokewood has zero respect for these qualities, and less even for all of us who value these character traits.
@VKR actorvists
Love how they ask how you can hate something you once loved, and then proudly talk about how they completely changed it, because they hate the original.
“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history - true or feigned- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.” - JRR Tolkien
The goal was to be applicable, not allegorical. Sad people miss the difference.
Again: we don't like brand because brand. We like brand because of what it means and the world it builds. You can't go changing the flavour of Coke and expect everyone to continue drinking it as if nothing happened.
Great analogy
in fact coke did change the flavour and called it 'new coke'. ppl hated it so they had to change it back
@@toshiroyamada2443 ironically in blind taste tests people actually did prefer the new stuff over the old (including the man who tried to sue them over it), the problem was entirely on how it was marketed, which made people feel like they were getting something iconic stolen from them without warning. The problem with 'new coke' was coke just did it and acted like everyone complaining was somehow an idiot.
To Coke's credit they managed to turn this to their advantage by cashing in heavily on nostalgia when they went 'went back' to the original stuff, but yeah, the whole incident was really a weird but useful lesson in modern marketing
... that hollwood is completely ignoring by making the same stupid mistake over and over and expecting a different result. I think somebody once defined that as insanity
Coke did that exact thing and people hated it. They had to bring back original and named it Coke Classic and then pretended nothing happened.
Well said! I think they believe that fans worship without thought the logo and brand while the truth is very opposite. Fans look greatly at lore and the world the characters are in with such a greater scrutiny. They love they show because they can immerse themselves in it. You can't immerse yourself into the tripe they are selling. It's just...so fake and phony. It's a story of a character not made for the events and story of the character but for some outside claim and purpose in our own world. That's actually anything but immersive and quite the opposite of it!
I get burnt out from time to time over the fact that the only kind of diversity that seems to matter to these creators is only skin deep. I've seen myself in characters over the years and it didn't matter if they were Black, White, Asian, Hispanic; male or female... I, and many others, can see ourselves in a character that we don't physically look like because we aren't so shallow that the only thing we see is gender or skin. Diversity is so much more than that. Hollywood needs to remember that, and write STRONG characters, because what matters most is the inside. Our struggles and how we over come them. The motivating and inspirational stories. Writers and directors/producers are so lazy these days.
Diversity of appearance, not diversity of thought.
If you don't care them being Black or anything else. Why even talk about it. Them giving a fuck about it bothers you?
Stop talking about it.
Yes!
Okay but you still suggest that she doesn't deserve the role just because she's black what's your point ,maybe she's a good actress.
@@erhanmustafa2103 Did you even read what was written?
Peter Jackson trilogy: “we don’t want to insert our messages into these movies and honour Tolkien by how he wrote his story”.
Amazon adaption: “A redress and a necessary progressive moment in our time”.
'It's true you don't see many dwarf women, and in fact they are so alike in voice and appearance that they are often mistaken for dwarf men.'
~Gimli
👍
Also that actress probably doesn't have the talent to act and talk like a man...oh wait.
I can't wait for her to become a meme and be the poster gal for how not to be an actor.
Beards
Well in her defence she’s not very feminine!
The fact that the actor who’s going to play Durin IV will be able to pull off that he’s married to and in love with the actress that plays Disa is going to be nothing short of Shakespearean talent.
Ah, yes it's so mature to shame people for how they looks.
@@kdnu27 no less mature than assuming racism is the be all and end all for people’s rejection of this coming dumpster fire.
@@kdnu27 I think they were saying this speaking on the fact that the actor who plays Durin IV looks like he cant stand her in person. Not that he finds her unattractive based on looks.
He sure looks mighty uncomfortable sitting next to her, listening to her go on and on...
When she’s sees playbacks of the interview.. how long till his character is recast or killed off after she complaines
I think the obsession with 'identity' and 'gender' being the primary factors characterizing an individual person, or group, is highly questionable and problematic. In fact these two labels may actually be a distraction from what is really important, for example... social class and access to wealth. This would be true today, but, has to be at the very core of any understanding of a world based firmly on the Middle Ages, even a fantasy Middle Ages. The Middle Ages was very different from the modern world. To attempt to force a contemporary Hollywood/Disney worldview, messaging 'identity' and 'gender', into a fantasy Middle Ages, is doomed to failure.
Except Tolkien is not the middle ages. In most of his work women and men have strong identities. Especially numeoreans and Elves. Not saying Hollywood messes things up. They do. But more because they dumbdown their content and want to appeal to all viewers. They think in target audiances. But I haven't seen the show. I have been boycotting Amezon for years. So no idea why I reacted. Must be the anti woke crowd getting to me.
Isn't this also a cause for the lack and avoidance of these types of people on screen outside of negative stereotypes? Like maybe if from the start there wasn't a problem with them, they wouldn't be highlighted like that, but they simply were always highlighted as different or apart, both by the directors and the fans. Even though irl nothing looks like it's all white.
It's like asking "why would the people who love elves hate orcs?"
I love elfs and orcs but i hate rings of power and house of dragon
I think the important thing to remember is that the Tolkien estate didn't sell the rights to the other materials (particularly the Silmarillion) specifically because they didn't want a studio to butcher the lore. Yet here we are. Out of greed, a studio has found a loophole to that in the appendices. Note the motivation, therefore, is not to tell the incredible legend that is the First and Second ages, but to milk the money-making teet that is the Lord of the Rings. Cast it into the fire. Destroy it.
I mean, they paid alot of money for the production rights and lets me honest, the Tolkien Estate basically sounds like a bitch to work with, considering that what are they supposed to do, they have to make up their own stuff because they aren't allowed to use any pre-existing lore material. Also, you have to consider that Tolkien grandson is working on the show as a creative consultant. I think if anybody has the right to decide how Tolkiens work should be interpreted and adapted, it is one of his descendant, not some culture warrior online who has tits while claiming to be a sigma male.
@@shizachan8421 you must be some social justice moron. If you don't understand why Tolkien fans hate this... there is really no point in trying to explain it to you.
@@shizachan8421 They don't have to make up their own stuff - the material they have gives them a solid framework for a good story that sticks with Tolkien's original works. The only things they would need to create themselves is dialogue for the most part, and decide on things like aesthetics of places like Numenor. And Tolkien's grandson isn't working on the show, they just put his name on there to try and prove that the Tolkien Estate has signed off on all this, when in actual fact all he did was sign off on the deal and then leave them to it.
Not a coincidence that Amazon waited until Christopher Tolkien died until they tried to buy the rights, or that they fired Tom Shippey from the project very early on, because Amazon has no respect for the body of work they were allowed a taste of, they just want to use it as a political vehicle, possibly the most insulting way possible to present Tolkien's work.
Considering that massive lack of respect for the source material, I'd say the people who have the LEAST right to interpret and adapt the Legendarium is Amazon and the people spouting all this representation bullshit.
@@shizachan8421 Says the person with a relatively new account and no activity, yet supports the Rings of Power. So your defence is they paid a lot for the rights and some relative has signed off on it to get a large chunk of that money.... I don't have tits, for your information, and why you need to defend this show by spouting racist and aggressive insults is beyond me. If you think there is something legitimately positive about it. Please tell us what that is.
@@shizachan8421 - "creative consultant" = payoff
This is definitely going to be one of the shows ever made.
It’ll be a show that existed
I literally cried at the bit where Galadriel said “IT’S SILMARILIN’ TIME!”, then Silmarilled all over those Balrogs. Then the audience got up and clapped.
lmao
It will be a prime show alright
💩
You will literally only be able to watch this show on a device.
It will be a show for the calendar, an event for the clock.
It is nice that they forgot to complete Christopher Tolkiens statment:
“Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time,” he pondered. “The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.”
That should make it clear what he thinks of the series.
Didn’t Christopher Tolkiens hate the Peter Jackson Lord of The Rings films as well? I’m pretty sure he would have hated this series even if it was a word for word adaptation of the original trilogy.
@@gamer7916 As I understand it, he has said he would prefer there to be no adaptation, but understands different views on this and finds the implication he would fundamentally dislike implementations and the people who do them flawed and untrue.
However, what he has directly taken offense at is the complete commercialization of his father's work.
I think neither he nor JRR himself would accept this series in the least.
And yet...they allowed the rights to be sold. Money talks.
@@cargosquid Technically, neither of them could have any influence.
JRR had already sold the film and merchandise rights in 1968, Christopher had no influence then, and by the time Peter Jackson had made the films, Christopher could only express an opinion.
As far as I know and have been able to research, the Tolkien Estate has no rights to the film and merchandise.
In addition, there have already been legal disputes between the Estate and the rights holders, so I assume that no one has asked the Tolkien Estate what they think, and even if they had, they lie to the fans in public, so I can hardly imagine what AMZ would lie about behind closed doors.
He's dead.
For all the 'feelings' they wish to cater to, I've never felt so emotionally detached from a production. So much potential squandered.
She's a minor character who's got delusions of grandeur and the most unlikable actress in the world right now. Painful hearing her lecture everyone. Amazon damaged their product by letting this narcissist talk about herself.
I was going to give it a chance. Not after listening to this self absorbed crazy person. I cancelled Amazon prime. Good riddance.
One word: Heard
She's a character of huge proportions......and the doughnuts made it happen
Toxic is the perfect word... if something is toxic, you don't consume it.
The fandom isn't toxic because the fandom isn't being consumed... the product is the thing that is toxic.
Very well put.
Right! We're venomous!
"tolkien fans hate rings of power"
because it's not tolkien, is it?
Is it? - Did you ask him? - Are the incalculable remakes, updates, interpretations and updates of HP Lovecraft's work still Lovecraft? He left behind a legacy that can never be added to by his hand. Are you satisfied by it just being the end? Or have a number of other authors added to to his works and made it more than what it is? Has his groundwork feed numerous authors in his wake? Or you just want his dream stagnant ? - You know - Lovecraft would probably be turning in his grave right now if he knew a black man was an antagonist in any of his works. That is the way you like it?
@@JoseManley this is a good point. But let's consider HP Lovecraft for a bit. There's no denying that he's one of the most influential writers of his time. But there's also no denying that he was one of the most racist.
HP lovecraft's works weren't written just as worlds of their own, but they were written as his interpretation of the world changing around him and the fear that it brought into him. For example, Cool Air was a story about air conditioning of all things. Of course all of his stories also had overt racist metaphors, and were just manifestations of his racism because the man was an openly unapologetic conservative, white supremacist and a traditionalist. His idea of what was beyond the understanding of the human psyche stems from the fact that he refused to understand the changes in society.
With all of that in mind, the changes in his stories were warranted. What was once the racist interpretation of a conservative man who felt nothing but fear in an inevitably progressing world is now looked at as literally horrors beyond human understanding sans the racism. Yes, he will be turning over and doing backflips in his grave if he ever heard of a black man being the main character in his stories. And we wouldn't have it any other way.
So the question towards the form of your argument is this:
In comparison to HP Lovecraft's spicy spicy racist works, was there anything similar in the creations of Tolkien's stories that deems altering it as progressive instead of alienating?
@@robinjohnaranguiz7907 You are right - Lovecraft and even people like Burroughs lived in their times. Lovecraft lived in self isolated world - even Burroughs faked a lot of his knowledge and experience of the "dark continent" and the "savages" within. Was Tolkien racist? As much as his time and world allowed I don't think he was as racist as any other white man in America during that time. His writing shows a particular multi-cultural world (as much as fantasy creatures would allow) ..and that is what confuses me - many scholars better than us have said - - he invented - a polycultured, polylingual world is absolutely central" to Middle-earth. Yet - many fans are offended at another skin other than "good" equals "pasty" and "Bad" equals "brown" - Is that the way Tolkien wanted it? I think its what he saw. All he saw. While during his time at Oxford he may only seen a black man as a cleaner or servant - today things have changed and I do believe he would have written in a different manner had he been alive today. I think yes. Things have changed - I think its alright to change somethings without misdelivering the overall message - And I think his creation has grown beyond the little fussy people who are currently "gate-keeping" - I mean it survived Rankin and Bass's animated films -Long live Bakshi
@@JoseManley That is a very good way to look at it. Diversifying his already diverse and established world really wouldn't be far from what he'd written himself if we were to extend his stories regarding society on our era. But there is still the matter of balancing on the fine line of being progressive yet faithful, in comparison to being (*arguably) narcissistic about new contributions/inclusivity while retconning parts of established lore. I think that's what throws off most of Tolkien's fans. The sheer focus on what's new at the price of disregarding some aspects of what's already been established for a long time now. (*This is all from the outside looking in, I myself am not part of Tolkien's fan base. While I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the story, I can for certain sniff the air of narcissism coming from portions of the new inclusive cast. Take the rest of this comment with the part in the parenthesis notwithstanding, since everything in this small separated part is of my own opinion of how the story has been presented and not the story itself.)
Again, it would not be wrong to add new things to the story that relate to how society has changed since Tolkien's time. But maybe there could have been a better way to execute said changes, in a manner that was as carefully crafted, well thought, and well constructed as the original books. So far, the consensus seems to be that it wasn't so well executed.
@@JoseManley yes, i'd quite appreciate it if the blacks were left out of lovecraftian works. I don't read the new fanfic shit about cthulhu anyway. Feel free to continue arguing with your alt, i don't frankly care.
"The ability to interpret and reimagine"
That is the problem.
We as fans don't want the vision and ideas of the director.
We want Tolkien's vision adapted not reimagined.
And we want a director that believes and upholds Tolkien's vision.
The real question: Why have so many writers become so bad, so incompetent, so infatuated with themselves, so preachy that THEY DRIVE longterm fans out of the formerly beloved franchises?
It makes one wonder if it’s a conspiracy to ruin the culture or if it’s just the result of cultural degradation………
money
College
Communism…
There is this famous movie critic that says something alone the lines of "We are so imbued in social media, living through screen, exposed to the same standardized experience via algorithm (its is only job to seduce you according to which archetype you fit in) that no one else longer lives a particular / unique life, or our own take on rites of passage (love, heartbreak, succès, defeat) now when we go through any human experience the exposition to other humans live, make us all grey through our experiences. So, no new takes on being human... No new takes in written or film or paint or any other art form, that's why the quality overall all the arts is going bland, downhill
So, how does she feel about wearing a full beard? She does realize the reason why people, even in Tolkien's world, don't think they've seen a female dwarf is because they all have large beards, doesn't she?
It's all about inclusivity right until said inclusivity goes against their own subjective feelings. Then it's toxic or it doesn't exist. Fucking hypocritical sub-humans.
For once I feel like homo sapiens would benefit from being split up. The normal people that are flawed but try their best, and the absolute dirtbags that make life isufferable for everyone around them who have to deal with their shit.
i highly doubt she's leafed through a Tolkien book let alone read them
@@xemmyQ Stark contrast to the original movies. Where all the actors read the books, some multiple times even taking notes.
GRR Martin has a vested interest in DESTROYING Tolkien’s Ring… after wasting away his own gift as a story teller… his only hope is to trash a REAL EPIC!!!
Is she so pround of her accoplishment to have female dwarf there, that does nothing to make the story better?
"We don't know why a lot of fans are angry."
*proceeds to burn Tolkien's books*
"No really, we love Tolkien and admire his vision."
*proceeds to urinate on the ashes*
"Really, it's just toxic fans."
Prime gaslighting.
... and then proceeds to complain "why won't they respect my interpretation of the work? I thought they were Tolkien fans."
I completely visualized this with South Park characters 😀
@@irv.79 "they took our fandom!!"
@àsperwhat?
You know, its impressive how well certain media gaslights the fans of IP they change by saying the fans are toxic and not their taking and twisting an IP against everything it once was and then claiming they are making it better and that everyone else is a hater. They act toxic and then blames the fans by calling them toxic and then for some reason everyone believe the media and ignore the bad changes they made.
"if you dont like a show dont watch it"
true. but how about
"if you dont like the source material dont make a show from it"
Amazon: "We hated that Tolkien's works didn't have any blacks or gays... so we added them in! Oh wow isn't this progression great guys?!"
It that his problem really? He is just pointing a mirror in the correct direction - You gotta get all convoluted to prove some ridiculous point? This "fans" brew in their own hatred and probably never really picked up a book. See a minority? freak out. Its a bandwagon and you are on it.
@@JoseManley It is a problem, hence why everyone is complaining about it. It seems like you're not understanding why everyone is mad, but I can further explain. As someone who has read and enjoyed all of Tolkien's works, we have standards which we expect--namely a great story, excellent character building, intricate detailed writing, etc. What we did not expect, or want, was anything politically progressive to be added to Tolkien's works--for the sake of being... well, progressive. "Enhancing the lore" in this manner, would be cheap, pandering, and simply for sales or public reputation. That is not needed in our fantasy books that we fell in love in, we don't want to have to think about "progression," we just want a story that we can immerse ourselves in--how are we to do that when we are constantly reminded of these characters that were only added for race representation? Well, that's the short of it, if you got this far, thanks for reading.
@@Jairjax I hated the last star wars films. The context, the continuity, the direction (horrible), the lazy special effect (cut and paste) and the writing...(oh the writing). I think pretty decent legitimate complaints and criticism of film. Even the particular writing and direction of a character. Acting? Yes please lets talk about it. Costuming? Yes, I would love to talk about. I rarely if ever talk about the "race" of a particular "fantasy" character. I frankly applaud the attempt to have someone in a story that (purely fantasy remember?) resembles me or I can identify....instead of 99% of the entire cast is white. (where is that token at?) (I am quite direct) Historical era film? I can be cemented in a characters race (Yes John Brown was white) but fantasy? No. Fantasy ethnic groups? (why must orcs be colorful instead of elves?) - Tolkien and Lovecraft lived in a man centric, closed off world - A world in which they wrote. I have no hate for the writers. Love them but I also know the world in which they lived - and they mirrored that world in their writing. They were afraid of the "savage" - Don't be the same. This is quite common reaction to inclusion - Marvel Thor isn't correct! (you know its a comic book right?) A black stormtrooper! (they weren't always clones) either accept it (like star trek) or just bury it and let it die in the same form it has always existed.
@@JoseManley @Jose Manley Regardless of Tolkien's past, his beliefs, or anything of that nature--I believe his lore should be respected and followed. I won't say anything further than that. Agree to disagree I suppose.
George R. R. Martin was right when he said:
“If you don’t like a show, don’t watch it”.
Abusing the Tolkien universe and its characters as mere costumes to dress up the same ideological message that’s ruined hundreds of potentially good films so you can shove it down people’s throats again, so they can hopefully become the better human made in your own image is nothing but narcissism.
What navel-gazing narcissists thrive on most is attention.
And you know what? I’ll heed Martin’s words.
I’m not gonna indulge their narcissism and I’m not gonna watch this show. They’re not getting my attention, they’re not getting my subscription and they’re not getting my watchtime in their pretty little statistics for their boardroom meetings.
Because clearly, it’s been made with a different audience in mind.
Worded better than I possibly could.
The problem is, most of those who say they hate what this ideology is doing to their fandoms will still watch the next installment/series. Its infuriating because these people are supporting the thing they hate.
Abstinence and sacrifice are needed.
I followed his advice and didn’t watch game of thrones
Absolutely right. The phrasing is also so intelectually dishonest. How would I know wether I liked a show or not, without watching at least an episode or two? And if I watched two episodes, and it was utter bullpoop, I would of course have formed that opinion and also of course have the right to inject my opinion in a public discourse. And at that point, people like George rant about how one should not watch, if they dont like it. So the saying is completely nonsensical and without any merrit.
well said.
"The Tolkien fans hate rings of power"
Yeah cause that wasn't written by Tolkien...
What they really need to do is create new universes inspired by authors, shows, comics. Like any other creative person does, especially if you want something particular to happen in the narrative or for the message to be.
I don’t watch tv to see myself staring back, I watch movies and tv to see something great, something inspirational and aspirational, but also believable. That’s how you lose yourself in a show, if on some level part of you doesn’t believe it, you won’t really buy in.
Oh my made up god’s how dare u sir these programs are not meant to be enjoyed by u ur meant to learn to hate ur self get with the program sir/madam/it/swamp/cat(insert ur preferred pronoun)🥸
It's why I can't watch the new Star Trek stuff. They had that one scene with Stacy Abrams playing the President of Earth or whatever. It's just blatant political pandering and it's ridiculous. The people responsible for it should be ashamed but instead they're empowered and feel like they're doing something necessary to fight some sort of invisible evil. Essentially they hate Democracy because they feel it needs to be fixed. They feel that only their side is correct.
Can you imagine if some show had Ted Cruz as the President of Earth? It would be ridiculous. I'm not against it because Stacy Abrams is a Democrat. I'm against it because it's ridiculous. I don't want real world politics in my entertainment.
I'm white and a huge fan of Korean tv series, and never once have I missed seeing white actors in them. I have no problem identifying with characters of another ethnicity. All it takes is a well written character with needs, fears and frustrations you can understand and relate to, aka a *believeble* character, and it's all good.
I agree. I love the Korean action movies, but not the ones with a big name American start. Remember the the Van Damm movies-UGH!!!=
According to crazy people asians are honorary white people.
Stop the cap. Every Asian movie that gets remade makes sure to replace the Asian men. They don’t even have to be Korean. If the original story has an Asian guy as the main character, we gladly replace him with a white guy. Check out Extraordinary Measures, Save the Last Dance, Hachi, Deathnote, Bullet Train, 21, Edge of Tomorrow, etc. We hate seeing Asian guys in good guy lead roles. You and I both know that.
I enjoy Korean movies and TV too. Kingdom is brilliant. Ashin of the North. And Train to Busan is one of my all time favourite films.
I couldn't believe it when there were rumours it was being remade by a western studio.. Why?! Its fkin perfect as is!
The site that wrote the articles comments section was a very angry place. No-one wants that! no-one asked for that!
Again, it's down to greedy, talentless, creatively bankrupt
western studios seeing something original and brilliant and coveting it.
If it gets made, I'll never watch it.
@@brootal4234 Most people dislike those white-washed stuffs...
Man you deserve a million subscribers. I am glad to see young blokes like you fighting for and standing upto whats wrong with desecration of books and art we grew up with, respected and loved.
"other people make it all about how well they can tan" daaaaamn that call out
Letting activists talk themselves up on a marketing tour of one of your biggest entertainment releases, is not only incredibly stupid, but creates a lot of questions as to how the marketing team cannot see how polarizing this all is. They can only lose the interest of millions with these "talks", as the only people who would be receptive to this kind of messaging are people who legitimately think ethnicity/sexuality = identity. And that's pretty much only the Twitter/Reddit bubble.
Hopefully one of these years, these creators will understand servicing the fanbase is far more important than trying to pander, and hopefully an acknowledgement that you don't need to share skin color to relate to someone.
I mean they hired complete randos to make a billion dollar series, it would be strange if marketing team is competent
as if amazon cares about making money on tv shows. this is social engineering, its not a for profit business venture
The marketing team knows full well how polarizing it is. Its their goal. They only do this to established franchises that they feel are going to make money regardless.
Remember: "Kill the past if you have to."
@@TheSuperappelflap I'm gonna call BS on that.
Everything companies do is for profit, they have investors (often anonymous) who want to make their money back.
Amazon is ruining Tolkien for thousands of us, but I'd bet that a million people will still mindlessly watch the show.
Dear George, the entire problem can be summarized like this: has this woman playing the "first female dwarf of colour" said anything meaningful about her character or offered any interesting insight about the dwarves and where they stand in that setting? Exactly...
Now that I think about it we still don’t know ANYTHING about the story and characters from trailers and interviews aside from diversity and inclusion
You don't see the cast of the expanse constantly talking about how diverse the show is, even tho its probably the most diverse show on tv... that's because the show is well written and the cast have got a lot to say about the characters that they are playing and the story that is being told....
Or that she's just a bad actor
@@Ma55ey Youre not wrong but with Season 3 or 4 they realy started to rub it into the Audience Faces.
Same shit happens with the Boys and that whole "dont be afraid of strong Power Women because they are actually better than you" shit.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 I just mean that I never saw Dominique Tipper on a panel saying how grateful she was for this role as a woman of colour.. the show was full of strong take no shit women.. but never felt the need to belittle the male characters in order to prop them up I didn't feel hit over the head with any message while watching the show. its diversity or the sexuality of any of its characters was never brought up as the shows usp...
I don't think Princess Disa realizes that 'dwarves of colour' are called Duergar and notoriously known as being absolutely evil.
Or maybe she does? 🤔
Really welp guess they'll have to rebrand the duergar as 'misunderstood' and 'they fight for equality' for the Dwarven people against the evil elven elitists.
@@thatpatrickguy3446 lol. But I think you’re giving this vapid windbag too much credit. She barely read the script before stepping on set; she definitely didn’t read any of Tolkien’s works.
@@the_absurd_hero I'm forced to agree with you there because Lord knows she's all about how awesome she is to be in this putrid abuse of the professor's works.
But maybe she's just method acting as a duergar? 🤔 🤪
Why would anyone wana watch a darkwhale n negrolas!😂😂
XD I loved when you said that her ancestors' greatest struggle was to find a wild Haggis in the fields! I only recently learned what that means and it was amazing to see it used!
George, we don't grow to hate something we once loved, we grow to hate things that make a mockery of it.
The problem with George is that he says he doesn't understand people who hate what they once loved. He simply doesn't understand that the hate comes from the fact that what is being done is not what people used to love.
exactly
It's even worse than that.. what is being done, is a profanation of what we used to love.
The Actor who is playing the part of a female dwarf is mistaken. They did show female dwarves in the 1st Hobbit movie in the small scene of City of Dale marketplace selling jewelry. Also, you see female dwarves fleeing Erebor when Dragon Smaug took the mountain of gold. Not a speaking part but they were there.
Wrong color, doesn't count. Fight rayschism
@@drowningin Your comment is out of context from what I wrote.
@@cventura9048 "they showed female hobbits"
Wrong color so it doesn't count. It is perfectly in context. They know what they are doing, it seems you do not
@@drowningin WTF are you talking about? My comment has to do, that they did show female dwarves. Stop trying to twist my comment into your warped narrative. You got something to say create your own new comment but don't attach it to mine.
@@cventura9048 are you going to cry? My comment improves upon yours in every way. No amount of crying will change that racist
There is a reason why you can come to hate something that you once loved: when the thing you once loved gets twisted and corrupted to the point where it no longer resembles what you loved about it.
The irony of Martin calling any fanbase toxic after watching what happened with Season 8 of GoT.
His franchise died at the hands of trash writers, and he was furious. What a toxic writer. 😂
Morgoth: People used to love the elves, but when I took them and changed them into Orcs, suddenly everyone hates them! Maybe it’s because they don’t like change but If you don’t change something, then it just becomes stagnant!
Maybe. But I think stagnant is better than poison.
"Why you have to change it, Morgie boy..?"
When every ‘actor’ comes out in multiple interviews claiming to be an activist, you know it’s gunna be a sickening pile of shite.
Osho once said that activists and do gooders are the most mischievous people in the world. 😄
these actors didn't learn a thing from the cast and crew of Cowboy Bebop
With all these interviews, I think that woman just ended her career right there. I can bet we won't see her in anything else.
When fans hate something because the actors are proud of how diverse it is you know the fan base is racist and sexist inherently
@@jessfrommars6663 Doing your job comes before your beliefs otherwise it rubs off in your performance. I have no doubt RoP will be a decent fantasy but as an adaptation of the Tolkien universe, it’s gunna be unrecognisable. People want to enjoy the things they love without the constant under current of social justice running through EVERYTHING.
Nothing to do with being a racist.
If anyones small minded, it’s people like you that can’t see that people are sick of it.
"how can they hate what they once loved".
they actually dont hate what they love. they just hate the new clone
That woman, we all know who, is extremely obnoxious. In regards to Jackson's comment, the way he made those movies was highly unconventional for the times; they were all made back to back (2001, 2002, 2003) without knowing if they would succeed or not, which is something that companies don't do anymore due to the rising cost of film making.
I still love the works of Tolkien as much as I ever did. It's the perversion and corruption of the things I love that I hate.
I seem to remember a quote of Tolkiens about the people that do that..........
Something about evil?
Na can't be that as clearly there morals are superiors due to support of something something.
Remember George is the same guy that said one of Tolkien's biggest mistakes was not including the politics of Middle Earth such as "Aragorn's tax policies"
That wasn’t the story Tolkien was telling and thank God he didn’t.
They have different styles and it wouldn't work for Tolkein. Martin at his best brought a gritty realism and a high level of detail to the politics of fantasy and the day to day life of people in it, it was great for as long as he cared about his own story. But then he decided one day that he couldn't be bothered to finish his own story, so it doesn't really matter what he brought to fantasy. I'm sure there are some great unfinished paintings out there also, would love to see them when they're finished.
@@pachuko5192 Tolkien also finished his story because it wasn’t overtly complex.
He's a hack, same as J J Abrams, Lost was a complete joke with no destination and just a bag of unanswered questions and a money grab until the fans realise they are being raped.
@@spiderknight9893 Yea, I have the feeling that he got lost in his own story. I think if you want to be a great writer then you have to push through that sort of thing.
2:05 "... so that people could see them starring back at themselves."
That's the essence of narcissism.
We love what was created by nerds. We endure what was created by marketing types. We despise what was created by activists.
What's being created now isn't "what we once loved." What we once loved has been reduced to a skinsuit wrapped around the "message."
A real activist is not part of the system. They're working for Amazon...
Yea a "message" just because some fictional character is black. It's still the same fucking story you fcking losers. You hate because every black actor must represent some kinda of leftist "message" !? So fucking retarted.
Plus what she is saying doesn't matter.
"We" as in racists? The show kicks ass.... It gives me great joy to see your kind get triggered. It's almost, almost as fun as the show!
@@Alex-lg1yh lol the show is literally poo.
@@Alex-lg1yh yes. I'm personally glad you enjoy seeing us bothered, when we get to deal with your kind you will wish you had never left the closet.
The “first female dwarf” gets more comical and ridiculous with every interview 👀
she is addicted to virtue signaling.
Idk whay type of whale that is but she is no LoTR dwarf.. So Gross!
The first few minutes made me just sad, because they made it aabundantly clear that these people will never understand what they did, what it is theyre doing wrong. They wholeheartedly think that they are respectfully inventing stories in and expanding Tolkiens Universe, while, in reality, disrespecting every single shred of information in said universe. But they dont even notice.
They don't understand since they are not fans of Tolkien's work but fans of their own political and narssisistic agendas. They are the toxins witout even realizing...these "heroes" of their own stories... living in a bubble world where no one with actual integrity sets the foot down and say no. The world lowered the bar when missguided people started to do terrible things and good people did nothing but comply and obey cowering in fear... entitlements and circle jerks are running wild and there are no more checks and balances to these things
Cuz they are cultural marxists
We all saw this one coming, all good IP must be destroyed for "the message"
They know
@@Snoop_Dugg Why do people keep defending these degenerate parasites who destroy our world in every facet possible?
How can it be so bad to only relate to someone onscreen if they look like you, when they demand the character be changed to someone that looks like them so they can relate to it?
How many actual minutes of screen time is this dwarf lady getting? Is she the main character? Because everything she says is entirely about her.
Yeah. I have the same question
She will certainly fill up the screen.
EVERYTHING!
@@jamierobertson9832 Like Lenny Henry said, "taking up space."
I once had an email exchange with Sir Ian (while he was literally in costume smoking a pipe on the set of the Shire being Gandalf) and while the conversation was personal, I can state that he was so humble, so self-effacing, so much the opposite in every way of this arrogant beardless dwarf poseur non-Tolkien fan, I cannot.
The sheer arrogance of these people is beyond my comprehension. To take someone else's work, that they have put their heart and soul into, and think that you have the right to "fix" it is ridiculous at the best of times, but even more so when that someone else just happens to be the author of some of the best selling and most popular books ever written. And all they can talk about in their interviews is themselves and how exciting it is for people to "see themselves" on screen. Disgusting narcissists all of them!
They have. The Tolkien estate gave them the right, amazon paid fair and square to get the rights to the show and they have the blessing of Tolkiens heirs. I mean, Tolkiens grandson is even involved as a creative consultant. There is just no objective base for your argument, its you who is acting like a manchild, claiming overship over some guys writing over his legal heirs and descendants.
@@shizachan8421 There is an objective base and that's everything this show is and claims to be - which is the opposite of Tolkien's vision. They just want the brand name and the fanbase it brings, they're not interested in creating a proper adaptation, it's clear for all to see. Yeah Amazon has billions to throw at this. That doesn't make their output good. Your argument is basically 'might makes right'. Get out.
i agree with you completely, this society doesnt care about the beauty of thy art they just want their own legacy but instead of making their own they use someone elses its disgusting and disrespectful
@@shizachan8421 I think just about anyone can agree that a persons child and grandchild is not that person, that they have different values and needs. I highly doubt Tolkein would be behind this show since it is intentionally subverting many core ideas and values of his world and completely disregarding his vision in many aspects. His family is likely quite incentivized by the massive check that they received on relinquishing those rights. Spending money on something does not mean you care about it or are able to turn it into something of value. Amazon did not purchase the rights because they love Tolkein, but because they love money.
Evil can not create, it can only corrupt that which has already been crested. - Tolkien, I thinks.
How can we hate something that we once loved
Because this isn’t what we once loved
It's funny how when you turn entertainment into a battlefield, it ceases to be entertaining. No one hates the thing they love. They hate that the thing they love has become the new staging ground for a pointless culture war.
"I don't see how people can come to hate what they once loved" - Rings of Power is brand new, we've never had a chance to love it - or hate it - previously. What we *love* is Tolkien's creations.
Exactly. I love 20th century Star Trek shows, but I dont like the recent stuff because it is made by totally unrelated people and is tonally very different. The only thing it has in common is the name. I'm not so shallow that I love everything with that name.
This is where Porky George gets it so wrong. The fans don't hate LoTR, they still love it. What they hate and what the porker doesn't grasp is they hate RoP...
I find it interesting that actors previously were supposed to act, not be themselves and say what they feel like. It looks like it will end up another Wheel of time fiasco, rather than something inspired that will touch people.
George R.R Martin's question is clearly a safe way of saying: Oi, you wankers, take some time off and ponder through your actions!.
How can we come to hate something that we love, George? It happens when it's warped into a travesty of itself by people who have no respect, as you may find out yourself when your new series drops.
Might be jumping to conclusions but I'm pretty sure the actors never loved Tolkien. I'm just getting a vibe like that
It sort of happened with Georgie own product once they started producing Ice and Fire beyond his books..... and he did not really care it seems, he already had lost interest in Ice and Fire.
@@kamion53 Its pretty clear that there was a falling out between the show runners of GOT and George. They got so arrogant they thought they could do without George being involved, and when he saw that they were going to ruin his story he backed off. Even in Season 4 there were signs that things were off. They wouldn't have run out of books to adapt if they hadn't written out important story lines like the real Dorne, Arianne Martel, Doran, the Stoneheart, Young Griff, all of which are shaping up to be important to the end game if George ever finishes the story. The showrunners abandoned the Alayne/Sansa storyline, making Littlefinger irrelevant. They inserted Sansa into the Jayne Pool/fake Arya story, just so they could shock us with Ramsey abusing her. After Tyrion kills his father, they took his story far away from the book story and turned him into an idiot. They had plenty of material for several more seasons, but they chose not to use it, thinking they could do better than George and we all saw how that turned out. I can understand that George needed a break from the book series to mourn what they did to his story, but in service to the millions of book fans that made him famous and wealthy, he now needs to finish what he started.
@@guichogf5636 I think he also takes time to have the movies sank from memory before releasing the last two parts, but as Georgie isn't a springchicken anymore I think Ice and Fire will go the same way as Wheel of Time that after part zus and zo eventually got finished by another author.
@@tomhollins5303 I agree. The vibe that comes off them is that they see it as a vehicle for promoting themselves or the causes they espouse, nothing more.
It's not that the fans to these stories are gone or changed; it's that the story doesn't meet the standards that the original artist so carefully and lovingly built them up to be. The old content is loved and enjoyed to this very day, but the new content is too altered and can't honestly be considered a continuation of the story. If G.R.R. can't see that, I'm disappointed that I have to admit that he isn't or no longer is the creative that I thought he was.
"I can't understand how you can hate a thing they used to love?"
Well. Georgie, when a "creator" twists, perverts,and distorts this thing we have such love for,, it is disfigured and transformed into something unrecognizable. It ceases to become what we love and becomes something we loathe. A faux representation of its admired counterpart, injected with false virtue and diversity.
What is diversity of color compared to diversity of thought and creation? Where is the intellectual diversity that brought on writers that created sharp, dynamic, smart cinema? Intriguing plots and intricate storyline? Characters and character development?
You can't draw us to your disfigured and mangled amalgamation you try to pass off as the classics we enjoyed. Saying we are spiteful, rude, racist, misogynistic, because we don't applauded and swoon at your boring and pathetic creations.
Quite right: different skin tones aren’t different thoughts and contents. Not enough.
How are they twisting and distorting something you love? Most of what they are drawing from in this series are incomplete works that were later compiled by Tolkien's son after he died. Which leaves a whole lot of room for the show writers to play around with. I am honest to god curious what it is specifically people are so upset about.
@@netflixandchinchilla the stories where incomplete, but the timeline and characters where well defined. And they destroyed that.
-The second age starts with the end of the war of wrath and by that time Numenor is created. In the show we can see that the war recently finished and Numenor is already a country with hundreds of years of history.
-In the books the rings of power were made and celebrimbor died 1000years before isildur was born, but yet in the show they are alive at the same time.
-Galadriel is not a figther, she is one of the most powerful noldor, does a lot of important things but never leads any army and is not obsessed with Sauron. She refueses to go to valinor because want to stay and rule his own realm.
Those are a few points, hope that help you undestand :)
@@PauRomeuBruguera Ah okay. Yeah there are definitely some changes, but I am assuming some of those were changed to fit the format of a TV show and therefor timelines were condensed. As for Galadriel, I believe there was a fleeting description of her pertaining to an "Amazon" and her athletic feats; which I suppose could be interpreted as being a warrior, but it is true that I don't remember her leading an army. But again those are descriptions from works that were only a draft for what was supposed to be the sequel to The Hobbit (The Silmarillion) so who really knows what she was supposed to be.
@@netflixandchinchilla it's woke garbage. Man you are blind.
Its really gross how they view it as evil to voice dissent or dislike something a corporation makes.
The western world.
"If you don't like a show don't watch it"
Yeah, I'm not going to George. It's just a shame that these ideologues can't just write their own original stories and instead consistently rely on butchering the stories that people such as myself grew up on. My dad was a heroin addict and overdosed when I was fairly young, but one of the decent things he did was help me to learn reading at a very young age by reading the Hobbit to me occasionally before bed. He wasn't super consistent about it because of how he was, but I loved the story and would try to read it by myself more and more often until I was more or less able to. I was reading LOTR when I was eight or nine years old and there were some words I didn't understand at the time but I was still able to enjoy the stories and I went back and would read them over again as I got older. Tolkien has been a part of my life for longer than my father was.
These people are ideologues that are part of a cult and they're subverting everything they can to push their ideology on the rest of us. We consistently reject their ideology and yet their ill gotten wealth allows them to continue buying up popular franchises and completely changing them to suite their world views. We say no, they say yes. Doesn't feel very consensual.
They're not a part of a cult, they hate whites, they want to replace whites in white countries, and replace whites in all media. It's not about creating anything new, it's about removing whites from the dominant roles in media.
GRR Martin has a vested interest in DESTROYING Tolkien’s Ring… after wasting away his own gift as a story teller… his only hope is to trash a REAL EPIC!!!
"Just write your own stories." Except those get hate too. Just look at Woman King. Nearly anything about Africa is shat on, despite those same folks claiming to want Hollywood to write more projects set in places like that
Personally, I just think GRR simply wrote himself into a ‘corner’ - became a victim of his own success by cashing in on his unfinished work - and realized how he had NO GRAND FINALE once his sketches were played out by Dumb and Dumber and the fans HATED IT! Now, he can’t write ✍️ an ending that will but fail to disappoint…
JRR never had such concern because his work is firmly based on Christian mythology of Resurrection in the confrontation of evil. He was not trying to “break new ground” but retell an ancient story.
And all the WOKE stuff is just the refuse of politics by a government that pissed away $30 trillions in “fake money” trying to distract by dividing the poor sheeple who are going to be paying it down for DECADES! Otherwise, WHO the f*ck cares if you are black or white, gay or straight, or where you wanna stick it!?!! It’s all IRRELEVANT in the Grand Scheme of STORY telling!
@@deonte9014 "Woman King" and you are surprised it failed?
Just looked it up, hasn't even released yet. I mean, give it a chance.
I don't care where their stories are set or what they're about, I just don't think they have the right to subvert existing materials to promote their ideology. If they make their own material and people don't like it, that's no ones fault but theirs. First of all there are a lot more Africans in this world than Caucasians, if they're not interested in "Woman King" that's not my fault or concern.
Imagine if some white guys starting making remakes of movies such as Shaft with an all white cast. Or Roots but it's about Irish slavery instead. Or Wakanda but it's all White South Africans. The racial aspect isn't even what I was talking about with my initial comment, but yeah. It's part of it as well. I'm mostly just tired of being lectured about the patriarchy and all that nonsense. Tired of seeing female reboots of everything, where everything is centered on the woman being controlled by men and all that nonsense. Women have a lot more agency in this world than these pathetic projects give them credit for, and the constant victimhood doesn't help anyone.
I watch fictional TV shows to escape reality, not to get lectured on politics.
What they're doing is despicable in my opinion.
"Nearly anything about Africa is shat on, despite those same folks claiming to want Hollywood to write more projects set in places like that"
The people shitting on that movie likely couldn't care less where those projects are located or what the story is about. They just saw "Woman King" and laughed hysterically at how little effort went in to making the movie be for everyone and not just their ideological cult. Anyone reading that title knows precisely what they're in for watching that movie, a fucking lecture about the patriarchy. If I wanted a fucking lecture about the patriarchy-- well I don't. No one does.