OnePlus Open is Awesome - What's Happening with Folding Phones?!
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- čas přidán 18. 10. 2023
- OnePlus Open is their first foldable. Technically. Kinda... and it's awesome.
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In the UK, folding phones are becoming increasingly common to see with people, but the moment Apple steps in is when we see mass adoption in the US
which is ridiculous the brand power they have over people and the culture around their products
@@shanerGTI wouldn't delve that deeply into it. Apple isn't even that big overseas. People in America have money to throw away.
At least US has Apple
@@shanerGT it seriously is ridiculous especially with whole blue bubble vs green bubble. one of my friend lost some potential dates because of that
@@shanerGTbrand power? You do realize Android is Google which is also a US company right? Maybe people are just capable of making their choices? And it happens to be the cheaper thinner long-lasting non-foldable iPhones?
This is the most aesthetically pleasing foldable phone to me. They absolutely nailed the displays, something about them just looks so good.
i don't get why nobody is talking about the dead pixels. Even marcus kinda just ignored it
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
Except for the damn hole punch
totally agee
Wait, dead pixels? And you casually gloss over it? 1699$ and its dying 3 weeks in? Bro, no. This should be the mayor point of this review.
Major* and yes completely agree!
I seriously doubt that's going to happen to every phone.
Folds are slowly getting more refined & cheaper. They probably won't top standard flagships anytime soon, but I think they will get more popular as years go on. I think this is the main reason Samsung merged the Note with the S series. 1 less model people had to choose from at the top. The Note & Fold were basically competing against each other since they released at the same time of year.
have a fold 4, babied it and the screen snapped down the middle at the hinge and there was no debris or anything to cause it. its currently getting fixed under warranty but they are just quite frankly not ready yet. super cool idea, but at over 2 grand thats insane. had the phone for 8 months
@@Centuri0n2013 I'm sorry that was your experience. And of course they're expensive. It's a folding screen. They've come a long way since the 1st Fold. They're improving with every generation.
@KCScorpion34 sure but people depend on their phones every day and if doing something as simple as using it as intended breaks it, there's some serious issues that need to be worked out. Again I love the tech that's why I bought it but anyone who grabs one needs to understand that risk
I prefer flip phones to foldable phones. The snap is magical
@@Centuri0n2013Yeah, the fold4 had hinge issues which thankfully got completely overhauled with the fold5 which has a much better hinge mechanism.
Gotta give props to Samsung for pursuing this idea when it was still risky. Pioneering innovation
Was it them or Huawei who released the first folding phone?
Drop in the bucket for top 10 richest companies in the world
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501was neither. Was technically Royole
Agree on bravery, but not on quality. The first three Flip Zs were advanced prototypes with horrible screen quality. My Flip 3 gradually became corrupted with pixel errors and screen tearing. Everyone who had these issues should be qualified for warranty fix.
Meanwhile in the other tech world, Huge Props to Steam for making Steam Deck. Huge Props to Meta for Pursuing Standalone VR Headsets.
The microphone in that phone is the most unexpected hit. That sounded damn good.
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
@@DemonSlayer-vh8uy That's just his unit. Let's see others.
@johantiefenbach5310 its hand picked for reviewers with dead pixel.....hmmmmm
@@Evergreen319 it happend when mkbhd had it, so its unfortunate.. you do have warranty though.
@@Evergreen319it hasn't even been released yet this is entirely basically a incomplete phone ATM so I wouldn't take one dead pixel as something to completely disregard the phone
Just bought one of these as my first foldable. Strikes such a nice balance between the Pixel and Samsung folds.
how's the durability been so far?
Currently thinking of buying the OP Open, any updates with durability? And can you talk about what Power User advantages you actually regularly get with a folding phone. I currently run a OP 8 pro and only rarely encounter a situation where I could even use extra horizontal space.
Man the production quality of the video hats off to the team!! The outro song phasing in with at the end amazing! What was the song btw
That mic quality is really impressive. Always one of my gripes in any product, that everyone takes for granted. In a well treated room, it sounds great and transitioned well with your studio mic
was suprised myself
Yeah I was really surprised
Really impressive for a phone mic
Once the foldy guys come down in price, I'll probably check them out. It was hard enough spending what I did for my Flip5.
I mean, yeah prices are too damn high, even in regular phones market, for some reason phone companies believe these devices are a luxury.
But for these, I don't know, I really don't feel confortable with moving parts in something like a phone, and the hinge would really drive me crazy, that, and the thickness foldable have when folded and feeling like two phones together.
yeah exactly, at the beginning of this video 0:25 I feel like Marques is a little out of touch with regular people. It's all because of the PRICE, folding phones are cool but comparing things...most probably don't want to spend that much money on a phone when they can get a non-foldable phone for less money.
another example Apple Vision is cool but a Quest 3 would probably be sufficient for regular people at $499 instead of $3499
Once the tin can guys come up with a better string, I will upgrade from my lump of charcoal and blanket 😂😂😂
Tell me your poor calling $1000 a ton of money in today's economy lol
@@Nighthunt01 Yeah, I haven't bought a brand new phone in years. It's just been so much cheaper to by a refurbished phone 1-2 years after release. Though I loose those years in updates, I end up paying half the price for a flagship. As much as I want one of these fold phones, until they drop in price and the quality issues have been worked out, I can't justify them.
Excellent review. Perhaps the ability to put a protective case and screen protector on a traditional phone is a big factor for those that occasionally drop phones. Protective cases really do help and I'm unaware of good protective cases for foldable that are easy and convenient to use. ( cases are a variant of your durability point)
My opinion exactly... I wasn't fan of protection cases till I broke a few displays with falls... now for me it's mandatory
@@gornash1234who would have thought that glass phones could break easily and should always be protected because they are already like $1500
I work in the construction industry and not having a phone case and screen protector is a non starter. Dust, drops and even just getting squished between my thigh and something super heavy that I’m lifting are all things that have broken phones in the past.
On my z fold 3, the cases were a mess. Some didn't even have the ports aligned correctly. I have a case mate on my pixel fold now and it's a night a day difference. The hinges are fully incased and it definitely offers more protection.
Wallet case! I'm not going to carry a wallet and a phone. For now, it's a deal breaker.
Id totally go for a clam shell phone as i like the smaller factor but not until the battery endurance is vastly improved. Hopefully with some new battery tech we will get there.
I agree. The price tag is nuts, but beyond that, I don’t ever look at my phone and wish the screen was twice as big. I don’t feel like I “need” that, or even want it.
When you start using the larger screen, you start to realise how much more you can get done efficiently with the extra space. Like looking at maps without so much zooming in and out, multi-tasking when you have to copy-paste text, and watching detailed videos or video calls without squinting.
People said that about the iPhone hahaha
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501I consume a lot of CZcams content and recently went from a Oneplus 7T Pro to a Zenfone 10, and I rarely miss the larger screen. I'd still love a more immersive, large screen, sure, but I love having a compact device overall.
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501I don't think that's enough for the average person to get into folding phones, sure sounds cool and all but at this point just buy a tablet or something. Honestly I don't get folding phones or phones getting bigger at all, over 7 inches just sounds unnecessary to me. But thats just me, a lot of people want bigger screens on their devices (for some reason).
@@aliasgharkhoyee9501use cases that happen once a week at most.. productivity on a phone sounds so dumb to me. Especially if you can have an laptop and regular phone for the same money.
I'd love to have a folding phone like this, but I've spent years enjoying the moderate price of mid tier phones and tripling my investment isn't something I want to do. I imagine it's an easier choice for people that already buy $1000+ phones, but my journey from Nexus to Oneplus (when they were affordable) to Pixel has convinced me I can be happy with phones that are closer to $500.
I am with you 100%. But, I'm in the generation old ~$300 range and have been very happy after being a flagship chaser. My last 6 phones have been Motorola.
I think major reason it doesn't sell is because of how bulky it is.
And I have notice that generally people at large choose product which are the most convenient, Convenient in way that could be used by their parents- convenient. Which exactly opposite to the case of pixel phone which, I mean it has so many feature that normal person will never know this is also one of the major reason Apple does so great because they focus majorly on hardware change as that feature will be used by each person as they reduce the choice, so don't look around for the way and accept thing as it is this is why convenient feature in Tech product will be the key to grow the market share.
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Dude, the phone is not an "investment", it's a depreciating "asset". Investments are made with profit in mind, but phones only get cheaper and in 2-3 years the battery is out and you buy your next one. But I applaud you for understanding the cost and sticking with the reasonable models. Many of my friends can't grok it :)
@@freefaler "Investment" is often used colloquially as a expenditure of noteworthy value. If someone says "I'm going to invest in a nice set of cookware" they're not expecting a monetary return.
Mine comes in tomorrow. Im super excited! Love your videos!
What are your thoughts, months in?
It's wild to see on the surface some genuinely good seemingly no compromise engineering from OnePlus really for the first time since the OP7 Pro, which was my last OP phone after being with them from the start.
I'm still using the OP 7Pro right now!
OnePlus 7 pro is one of the best phones ever made
I'm thinking of, maybe, finally upgrading from my 7 Pro for this one
The dead pixels are a dealbreaker, especially on a premium device. I feel like that should have been mentioned earlier and emphasized more.
return it and get one with no dead pixel if you got a lemon
He is paid to review and push this brand lol. Stop being in denial
It might be one of those cases where it only happened to his and none of the reviewer samples? Kinda like the screen protect crack on the flip 4?
It's not a common issue. I have had 3 Foldables: Flip 3, Fold 3, and Fold 4 and never had a single dead pixel. Hell my Fold 3 and 4 I used without the inside screen protector and still nevr had any screen issues. Besides, unlike the Samsung Fold, all these other Foldables are designed so you don't need to use the inside display unless you're going to power use. They made the outside display more common sized to use more, as opposed to Samsung and their horrible narrow display that only a small amount of people actually like.
Hopefully just an issue with his reviewer phone. If they've really done 1mil+ open/close durability tests, I would think they'd have caught this.
The main reason for the bigger screen for me is video, but folding phones don’t have the right aspect ratio when you open them so a large amount of the screen letterboxed.
Yeah, that is my principal use case too. I'm sure there are other luxuries associated with a bigger screen, but none seem compelling compared to video.
So true
Hardly bothers me if at all when I use it. However, the pixel fold had a great response to that.
AND the resolution of both screens sucks compared to flagships
What about a flip?
Love the video, always so consistent and clean. Also really love that phone 😂👍
I have definitely been considering folding phones like the Open and Z-fold. Since I am visually impaired, it would be nice to open up to a tablet sized screen to view larger text or image. Which anyone of these will do. But as you said durability and price are holding me back from making such a purchase
I actually think the Open is a great name for it. It is different from the standard fold/flip names from Samsung and Google, but still clearly communicates what it does and what it's really about, just like the Note line did before Samsung killed it and essentially renamed it the S## Ultra.
Completely agree. Open is no more stupid than flip or fold.
agreed.
yeah i agree 100% "Open" is just a unique name in the foldable phones world
I think that's for Zack from JerryRig
Dude just needs a reason to criticize
To be honest it's been a question of durability for me, sticks and pebbles and dirt would always be getting closed in the screen. These days though I've just been feeling so terminally online that less screen on a phone seems better
Exactly, spending thousands on a phone that can have it's screen damaged by my fingernails doesn't make sense at all.
I know right - cause I get lots of pebbles and dirt on my current phone and in my pockets... eh ?
Folding phones are fragile. Bet it cannot last 5 years like my 5T. The worst part, u sacrifice the specs, like the 🔋 battery which is a very important part of a phone.
its not durable....it shatters faster than my dreams....thats pretty fast believe me!!
Ya'll just need to have the bare minimum hygene sheesh.
Like I don't want to know how filthy your headphones or keyboards are if dirt between the screens is a concern..
For me it's a combination of the price and durability of the hinge of said foldable phone. The high price tag of the new foldable phones are a bit steep when compared to the traditional smartphones on the market, we're talking four digits in the North American market. Then there's the durability of the hinge of the foldable phone, it might be good in the first year of opening/closing but once it's past that mark the chance of it breaking increases.
i worry that even before breaking, the hinge would just become looser. do you think that is also possible?
a year? more like 6 months.
I mean, I plan on buying this, but I guess I'm an enthusiast. I've been obsessed with folding phones since I purchased my Z Fold2 3 years ago which I'm literally typing on right now; but it's finally time to upgrade and and I was gonna go with the Fold5 but then I saw the HONOR Magic V2...and realized that there's no guarantee that the global release will be out by the time I wanna upgrade next month, so yeah, the OnePlus Open is a no-brainer for me. Having used a Fold2's outer screen for quick 1-handed use, having as usable an outer screen as a smaller android phone's screen is, I cant wait to upgrade to this!
To me the biggest problem is price. I cannot justify the price. Even having the s22 ultra I did not pay MSRP. Perhaps in a year or two when newer models are released I'll look into one of these
I have been waiting for five Samsung generations, each one I think they'll make an affordable version, and they just don't. I don't think it will ever come to a regular price.
@@HandledToaster2 I honestly doubt the price will ever go down. If you think about it, it makes sense, you're basically buying 2 phones stacked on top of each other, so yeh, it's gonna be expensive.
Man, the way you open up with these videos and the things you say just hit the point immediately and is spoken so well. Absolutely incredible
Absolutely loved this review ty! I was really curious about this cause of the cameras but as soon as you said there's a chance of dead pixels, not worth the chance for me. I already have the fold 4 for a year and the 3 the year before and I've never been happier. It has done every thing and more for me and the only problem I've had is my inside screen protector is peeling at the fold but works great and Ive been lazy to replace it cause it's mostly cosmetic
Thanks for giving truthful review 😊
What's it going to take for "regular" people to buy foldables? I think the answer to that would be a significant price drop and some sort of innovation towards making the folding display more durable.
9:00 I've been babying my Pixel and the inside screen has a couple little tiny dents from just dirt particles getting caught on it and closing my screen together. I think when the inside screen is way more durable and the phones drop in price it will be more common because it really is nice to use. Just worried that inside screen is gonna mess up or break at some point before it's even paid off.
What do yo mean by babying?
Screen protector for the inside screen. I'm on my second foldable, no problems. Screen protectors and a good case with hinge protection goes a long way. I'm a mechanic. I can destroy a phone at work, not being careful. So far, so good.
@@jfred5338 if there's no problems why are you at your 2nd foldable already
Unless they find a way to make real glass bend it's unlikely to ever happen. They only way I see they could make it more durable is the finest hinge jonction possible on a chassis with a dual glass covered displays. Technically it would fold but not really a folding phone in spirit and not as useful for many things (or at least too annoying to consider).
This is why I don't think folding phone are going anywhere. They would need to be both way more durable and way cheaper to make them something more than an expensive gimmick.
But when you look at it, considering the BOM of a folding phone ; it cannot be that much cheaper than a regular phone + small tablet combo : you can save on motherboard and some components but not that much because the constraints of a folding phone restricts your components selection to a certain level of performance to weight/size ratio.
In the end even if brands lowered their margins on folding phone to make them competitive they would still land around the same price of a good phone + small tablet combo, so it doesn't make sense to buy them considering the durability tradeoff just for the big display convenience factor.
In fact when you consider it, the only time a folding phone kinda make sense is a situation where you do not have a bag or something similar to carry bulkier items where a small tablet would fit just fine but where you still carry your phone on you (presumably almost only that).
Considering of much extra bulk penalty (weight/thickness) folding phones have on top of phones that are already too big to be comfortably carried in many people's pockets its obvious it will stay forever a very niche thing for rich geeks or status conscious peoples that wanna show off their wealth with a phone. Unless Apple makes one, there all rationality goes out the windows but that pretty much tells you everything you need to know about folding phones...
In reality a device that could be quite useful would be a mid size touch display with a slot that could accept a smartphone to extend its capabilities : this way you could remove the redundant parts of a dedicated tablet but still put money where it matters : mainly a better/bigger display, that would accept low latency pen input and a battery that would prevent drastically reducing the smartphone autonomy (potentially charging as well, depending on needs) ; you could also put better speakers and more ports for a more versatile and bigger, more expensive options. This way you would not have to pay for nonsense like cameras in tablets and it would solve data/software sync problems that multiples devices use create.
Still on my Note 3. No screen protector on either screen and still as good as new. I don't baby it either.
Your intro song selections are top notch
Thxs for reporting such a balanced opinion ... So refreshing to see reviews that also list the down side of products .. ...... You have one more sub . 😎
I absolutely love the thrill of witnessing a new folding phone hitting the market. It's like a high-stakes poker game between Samsung and Oppo - always exciting to compare the cards they're playing. Now that hardware and hinges seem to be their forte, fingers crossed they'll also discover the secret anti-creasing elixir for those screens. Here's to hoping for a wrinkle-free future in the foldable universe!
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
@@DemonSlayer-vh8uystop spamming
@@DemonSlayer-vh8uy hahah funny man
In the UK, the most common demographic I see using foldables (despite no marketing to push this) is the older generations, 50+, its so funny watching someone's grandma whip out a £1700 phone at the shops buying groceries. Ive spoken with a few of them, its nostalgia on the flip/folding, and easier to see / use. What a funny thing. Anyway this phone is cool, but too expensive. If prices were on par with "standard" phones, id buy one.
It wouldn't be as cool because they would have to make so many compromises in order to get it down to that price
That's so unexpected lol, but good for them :)
They have the cash to buy it.
There goes your inheritance! You're now in line to get Nana's old folding phone! 🫨
Thats so true
best video u done yet. thanks
The durability is a problem. Could be partially solved by good warranty conditions (replacing them, no questions asked) but unfortunately that's not what I've heard so far. A coworker had a faulty display after half a year and they didn't replace it on account that the phone fell (found some scratches).
The answer to that is to get yourself insurance for the phone, at this price point.
That is why I’m thinking twice to buy it, I don’t know how good is one plus warranty :/
As someone who just got their phone back. They replaced my inner screen and returned it since it's under the 1 year manufacturer warranty. I dropped a game controller on mine and it jacked it up. They replaced it and sent it back to me. Didn't charge me a dime.
I have been using fold 4 for a year now, I think my next phone will also be foldable, I cannot imagine going back to a normal phone now 😅. Good thing is that Samsung now has competition and it should improve a lot on its next iteration of foldable/fold 6.
Any damage on your phone? Looking at Linus' broken galaxy fold and many similar issues it's scary to jump on something like this OnePlus Open.
@@denny8360to be fair that one is water damaged but coming from the last 5 or more years of waterproof phones is a concern now that people are used to it.
I've tried fold 4 for some time...and sold it. Good phone but a big minus it's a weak battery life (comparing with iphone 13/14PM). Also for me as a motorcyclist a problem to use fold4 with phone holders on a motorcycle))
Yeah same here pretty much, been rocking the fold3 since it came out, I can't see myself going back to a normal phone, it's just too limiting.
@@denny8360Linus's broke because it dropped into a pool. Pretty sure almost any phone would break.
That’s the best crease I’ve seen by far. You can barely see it. I think the longer these are out the more people will get them. People are still having issues with them breaking, but they are getting way better so I think in the next gen or two a lot more people will get one (or whenever apple releases one).
Apple will never release a folding phone. Mark my words. Apple will *never* release one.
They might afterall they are copycats
Apple will only add features to their phones that have been tried and tested extensively by other brands in the market. That's one of the reasons people see apple as so reliable, because they never take any risks with new stuff. So when foldables become more mainstream, cheaper and most people have them that will be when apple will make one
@@_rpeezy_6419okay, i’m pretty positive they are
but maybe the dead pixels happen because the crease is soo "tight"/perfect.
Ok hear me out, someone should make a folding phone, where the inside is an e-ink display….
I could see the outside display maybe...
but not the inside display.
That would mean a very poor display experience. No real colour rendering etc. I had a Boox Tab Colour..., and returned it after a few days. The tech needs great improvement.
If OnePlus delivers on Oxygen OS14 with stability and features, it will definitely be a runner-up in the yearly awards.
I was very close to buying a foldable last time I upgraded, but decided to just let that concept bake for another couple of years. They improve a lot still every generation and my hope is that in 2-3 years, they'll get to start fixing the durability issues and give them better cameras. Then I will buy one.
My Fold Z4 lasted 6 months before dead pixels appeared in the crease.
@@juanma4777how annoying are the dead pixels?
Live for today
@@dzg3313in my opinion a lot annoying, especially on 1800 bucks device.
@@dzg3313 You pay 1600 bucks for it... it is pretty annoying, you want your phone to be perfectly fine. Also the repair costs of its... Its too expensive
In a few years when the price comes down i will absolutely be trying a foldable. I would love all that extra stuff but man anything over 1k is a strict no rn
I would love to get a foldable but as someone in the trades the durability of these things from even just dust is holding me back
Now that we have the “oneplus open” i am waiting to see the “nothing close” and the “Iphad” 😅😅 great video as usual @mkbhd
Dead pixels are the n1 problem of folding phones. I had the Royole Flexpai, the Fold 2 and the Fold 3 and all of them have a circle of dead pixels in the crease. It is amazing how this problem hasn't been tackled yet, after five years.
don't make foldable phones,
I had the Flip 3, Fold 3, and Fold 4 and never had any dead pixels. the only thing I had was the inner display screen protector lifted up and I replaced it myself, but yeh never had any issues with them. The reason I got rid of the Folds is cause that outside narror display annoyed tf out of me. I'm on a Flip 5 now and absolutely am enjoying it.
@@hobbitpsi I doesn't happen with every single phone, but it happens A LOT with the flexible OLED panels. Right back to the very first, again, the Flexpai, to the latest, as showcased by Marques here. The worst part is you cant do a shit to avoid it. I your unit has the issue, it will surface no matter how you use the phone or how much you protect it. In fact, I only bought the Flexpai because it was weird back in the day and never used it in my daily life (usability is just horrible) and still got a gigantic circle of dim (not 100% dead) pixels in the hinge. The Fold 3 only got a semi-circle in the hinge border, but still got it. It's not back luck, trust me, it just happens with most foldable phones.
@@_gelon I mean.. like I said, I never got anything wrong with any of my folds or flips, so sounds more like how one handles them or what gets into their phone to cause it.
Good thing were on the fold 5 and tech has progressed in two years lol.
"Why do you keep watching videos of super-expensive tech that you can't even afford?"
Me: 10:59
the camera architecture looks beautiful
I made the jump this year to a Razr 40 Ultra and i like it, but i think i may prefer using a folding phone like the OnePlus, but i do love the size when folded.
I would consider getting a foldable once they become pretty affordable
Yes, all these foldables are high-end. We need someone to make a budget foldable with shitty cameras, performance, and build quality. Some people don't care, but many care about the price. How low can the price be pushed? Is it possible to build one that would cost, say, $300? It could increase adoption and spark more competition.
You mean pretty affoldable?
Cheapest I could find is Honor Magic V2 for about $958 in the US in Q1 next year. Apparently doesn't work with google services though. Its specs are pretty good.
Stop being poor then
the issue is the dual screens, especially nowadays they're all 1440p+ resolution oled 10-120hz those panels get expensive, let alone the hardware for folding. I'd be surprised if even the cheapest decent folding phone would be under $500.
Whenever I have used a foldable phone, the very first thing that comes to my mind is how the inner displays feel (sort of like plastic or budget phones from 2000’s).
Excellent review
Thx for the vid. I'm really exited about the folding phones. I'm using my mate 20X. And it's waaaayyy better at viewing content than the squarrish screen.
My guess: until they bring an 16/9 or an 18/9 unfolded screen, they won't get good sells.
I can't imagine a folding phone NOT wearing and tearing more poorly over a couple of years than a regular slab. If you're committed to upgrading and OK with the creases, peels and dings that will accumulate, I think that's OK. But my phones tend to look 99.5% as good as brand new when I un-case them to trade in 2 years later, so for me that is a different tolerance model and I probably can't get around a folding phone anytime soon, until they have proper, bendable glass.
And this is true for most people, which is why foldable haven't caught on. People see it as an unuseful novelty. They can't get good cases for them, they'll break with excessive use over time -- and most people keep their phones for 3-4 years. It needs proper foldable glass, proper bendable hardware all around -- no hinge -- and a build that allows for an easy use of a case. And it will require a technology that is stable. Right now, foldable are changing too rapidly, if you buy one it's outdated in a year. I don't buy MK's "this is future proof" line.
you cant bend glass...
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Sooner or later that phone will crack in the middle. I think they'd be better if the screen was actually two separate screens.
You can absolutely bend many kinds of glass, as long as it's thin enough and you don't crease it or exceed its elastic limit.@@Renovatio2142
I felt the same way but my fold 3 has been pretty much the most durable phone I had
One of the reasons for me is that folding phones, unlike "regular" phones, are still evolving tremendously each year, so spending 1800$ on a phone that's gonna look obsolete in 2 years is not a great investment. Maybe in a couple of years when they get thiner and cheaper (and if apple develops one) we'll see them become mainstream.
After chasing the greatest thing for the early years of Android, I've learned that all I need is a good camera, email, browser and texting. Pixel A series is the only thing I consider these days. Fun to watch the bleeding tech though.
lets start buying them in 2028. as of now its a waste of money....flip prices might come down, but fold prices will never come down...but by that time s2X ultra would be nearby 1700 dollars so you wouldn't mind buying a fold instead....
I mean, not really. The fold 4 still looks brand new.
9:33 is such a dope way to say subscribe without actually saying it!!
Disappointed with my recent experience with OnePlus. Purchased the OnePlus Open in November 2023, and by March 2024, it failed to open correctly, leading to a broken screen. Despite the device being under warranty, OnePlus insists the warranty is void and quoted a £710 repair fee. I reached out, hoping for a reasonable resolution, but they refused to assist. I expected more from a brand I trusted. Hoping to bring awareness to this issue and seek a fair solution.
"failed to open correctly, leading to a broken screen"
Quite hard to imagine this statement is the honest truth. It might be, but it's equally likely you might be lying since you broke an expensive phone. I don't see why they would honor a warranty for a broken display when your reasoning is "it failed to open correctly", which sounds like the lowest effort "totally your fault not mine" made up reasoning to shift blame to the vendor.
Yeah this seems like a copy paste. How do you screw up opening a phone?
Lol
Price is thing holding most people back I think. Also, a lot of people won't leave the Apple ecosystem so some might be waiting for one from them.
Partly because if Apple were to launch this product, they would do it better
I don’t want to leave the Apple ecosystem. But I also wouldn’t want a folding phone from Apple
@@remulsive9558 Your probably right, might be why they’re holding back.
@@thatoneguy1821 it’ll probably cost like $2,500 anyway
Apple would destroy this if they create their own one .. probly might happen the next 2 years maybe
This man is too quick with the informative videos
Are you joking? He uploads really slow in comparison to most CZcams channels
How about focusing on the video and not the man smh
Everybody releases their flagship videos at the same time... Bruh
He literally Said he had it for 3 weeks
Wdym too quick? He gets review units..
Nice review 👍👍👍
There needs to be an option with cheaper hardware so that the final price can be the same as a high-end phone around $1,000 for it to make sense for most people.
Those who want the best will pay the US$1,800.
As long as the hardware is inferior, the price is superior, longevity and durability are concerns, it will be a niche product no matter how they market it.
Tecno made a budget foldable. Under 500 dollars
What high end Samsung is 1000? Not the Ultra lol
It doesn't make sense for business even if it makes sense to you and me
Usually OnePlus releases the "plus" version first and then up to a year later they release the cheaper phone with an R at the end of the phone, like the 8, 8+, and the 8R
If i had the money I'd buy it in a heart beat it's freaking awesome
Dont bro, wait cause foldable doesnt last. 😢😢
Mine didnt even last 1 year 2 months and the crease for the phone is completely pitch black. I can't even use it. It cost about 500😢 to fix it.
I bought the Samsung Galaxy ZFOLD3
Tbh I noticed that throughout the last few years it has also become increasingly more common to see folding phones in the open in germany. Mostly the Z-Flip I would say but I have seem the fold a few times.
I agree, I live in Italy and this year I've seen at least a couple people with a Z flip. And I live in a small city too, so I imagine it's even more common in the bigger cities
flips are cool as heck. folds don't have any iPhone users considering switching.
@@kevcubeI switched from iPhone to fold. Best decision ever
Really liked my surface duo. Never really need one big screen just space to run more than one app. Once you find that you are able to play a game and text without the hassle of bouncing between apps it's hard to go back to a single screen
I like the name!
Also... The only moment I settle down on my phone and I miss a bigger screen is when watching content. The reason why (as an enthusiast) I'll never buy a phone with this format, is that when you *open* the phone: the effective screen when watching both vertical or horizontal videos stays exactly the same. So no advantages and a lot of cons.
I think looking at how many people actually use tablets is a good indication of how many people actually value a folding phone in practice. iPad sales have been reasonably high historically, but I think there's a lot of people who bought one but end up using their phone 90% of the time.
That suggests most people simply don't really need the bigger screen.
Ipad is dead as a product, because it's useless despite the fact that most youtuber tries to promote it as best table ( which is completely not true) all ipad ends up collecting dusts
no. CARRYING a tablet is unreasonable 90% of the time. You have tv/monitor at home so what's the point of tablet. Basically the niche case where you'd need a tablet is way lower. The real reason why kids love tablets more than adults is cuz for them that screen is huge (small body). Us adults don't see it that 'big'. If we'd get glass on foldables and no more "dead pixels" BS; And the price would be around $1k-1.2k. I'd be down getting one. Cuz it would be using a phone but having a bigger screen when I actually want to watch videos on phone.
I don’t know, for me tablet was always a tablet and phone was a phone. In a sense that I never watched a movie on a phone and most content I also watch on iPad, especially musical videos, if I’m at home of course. For these things I always used a tablet. The same goes for mobile games. I don’t even using a PC now.
iPads aren't dead hommie. Hot takes aside tablets are perfect for school not taking and light workloads for businesses. Tablets have a specific function, but most people don't use them for that and just buy them because of "new shiny". @@MrPoliarinis
Phone isn't a replacement for iPad. Sorry, I rather lay in bed or sofa watching a 10 or 12" iPad than a phone, because flip or not the phone is just too small to be optimal for watching high quality videos. The only down side is really just that it won't fit in a pocket.
Would have been a sick edit if at 8:28 the price tags would have shown up as Marques removed his hands below those 2 phones. Just an instant thought.
I guess I fall into the realm of folding phone enthusiast at this point. I've always liked having cool tech, I had the Galaxy S5 with the very first Galaxy Gear smartwatch (before even Apple came out with the Apple Watch) and going even further back I remember getting the OG iPod Touch... and every time I get a cool new piece of tech, I always get so excited...and over 3 yrs ago now when I saw the Z Fold2, I knew I wanted it, and credit where credit is due I still have that Fold2 and it works just fine, only a few dead pixels because I dropped something on it, and only recently started showing cracks where the crease is from being folded and unfolded over and over, but still functions perfectly. However, I just upgraded to the OnePlus Open, and coming from a Z Fold with their narrow front displays, the Open is AMAZING. I love it, I use the front display all the time now, where I didn't before, and now I would say it's truly an optimal hybrid between a regular phone and a tablet. It's true, however, that in the US, it's a rarity to be an owner of a folding phone, I get a lot of looks when I unfold the phone on a bus lmao
Two years of Samsung Z Fold 3 and its shown no durability issues and i'm a rough user. I've dropped it, not really used any durable covers but still it has perservered. Almost scratchless. Great for viewing photos/youtube/netflix. Best decision i ever made. Big screen protector has detached from the fold part but i contacted samsung they will replace it for free for the first time so that'll last another year or more easily. I'll upgrade next when they increase the battery life on it. No other complaints.
I’m loving the increasing market and competition for folding phones, maybe Samsung will finally start trying again with their Z folds
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
dead pixels in oneplus open- thanks for letting us know mkbhd, now I am not buying one!
@@DemonSlayer-vh8uyok, samsung shill, you made your point
@@DemonSlayer-vh8uyI have reported you for spam since you spammed this message
Man, once you pointed out those dead pixels, I had to go back in the video to see if they were there the whole time lmao! That's crazy
Nice review. I have order my today as OnePlus website has special deal £1349 for Black as other colour is out of stock. I can't wait for my
Oh! I think I have seen these guy on CZcams Original. I like his deliverance.
7:37 that level of mic quality seems like a small detail but I think its actually a massive game changer. That made me wanna buy it.
It sounded bad though
@@uk7866compare to others phones.
@@uk7866you must be hearing something else then
I'm really excited to get my hands on this device! I tried the Samsung Fold 3 & 4, unfortunately I just could not get used to the narrow cover screen. This solves that!
Could you imagine the conversation between higher ups when they were coming up with this phones name!
“Okay so what are some qualities of a folding phone? Maybe we can get a name for this phone”!
“Well sir folding phones can open”!
“Fu*k it, open it is”!😂
I'm waiting for the second or third generation pixel fold. The form factor of the pixel fold and looking at the one fold is what I want. I had a zfold3 and hated the form factor when it wad closed since I have large hands and I had to constantly open it to use it optimally even if it was for something quick.
Yeah same thing. Samsung folds are unusable closed for almost anybody. Pixel Fold format is much better, cant wait for their 3-rd generation.
9:06 Holy shit! Dead Pixels? Can't believe you just brush off it like that. That is a huge deal!
I just love MKBHD's honesty. I am so happy he showed us the dead pixels as that could actually be a deal breaker for me.
Absolutely, but I'd hope it was just a flaw in his testing unit especially since they've done such heavy durability testing. And I would think it would be warrantied.
can you give me a timestamp on the dead Pixel stuff?
Yeap, agreed. I was about to visit oneplus's website to check the price myself, but that pixel made me to think once again. After some googling it turns out that dead-pixel thing is very common for these phones. Hope it will be fixed soon.
Oneplus open is opening new foldable reimaginations.
I love you MKBHD brother.
love the design ❤
6:53 The captions: And sure enough this (indistinct) camera setup
They didn't have to do Hasselblad like that 😢
The key issue I see with the adoption of foldables is the price. I like the idea of them, but I am not prepared to fork over >$2000 AUD for the gamble. Make it closer to $1000AUD and it's a different situation. Maybe I would be more inclined to experiment with this format - with all its potential fledgling technology hiccups.
For the folding tablet ones, yeah they need price reductions for more people to adopt them.
But with Clamshell Foldables like the Razr and Z-Flip? they're pretty much in line with normal candybar phones in terms of price.
A few months back I purchased my first foldable smartphone, refurbished (like new) from the Back Market online. A Samsung Flip 4 for £440. A bargain for a smart flip phone, and it feels like a brand new unused device. The current generation flip phones are nearer £1000 these days, but shop around and you can get a decent folding phone for half the price of a new one.
Yep. Price. Even the cheapest ones are around 1k and it's simply too much for mass adoption. The average person buys a 200 - 400 euro smartphone.
But you can't get an iPhone with the price of $1000AUD, iPhone 15 starting from $1499AUD
That's what I fail to see. The 512GB iPhone 15 Pro Max is $1400. The Oneplus Open is just $300 more. I say only because of what you're getting. It's a phone that folds to a larger display. Quite literally insane. Folding phones aren't really that much more expensive. I do, however, understand the durability reasoning. I have a Fold2. But as long as you have a warranty, extended coverage by Samsung themselves, or by 3rd party, it's not really that much of a concern. My inner display went bad prematurely. Out of pocket was $600, but with coverage, it was $200. Right where a traditional phone would be to fix the displays. The phones old for Samsung coverage, so it's a 3rd party. Now, that's certainly something you don't have to worry about a traditional phone, the phone creating a crack on it's on. But, just like my S21 Ultra display, they had to order a new one for the fold. I went in when they received it and was down that day. So I get it, but I don't 😂
Brilliant! Just a saw a OnePlus short where they are giving away 100 OnePlus Opens. OnePlus+MKBHD+Google!
Thanks Marques, The perfect folding phone for me would be a cross between the Pixel Fold and Surface Duo without a crease and mid point seam less with no central bezel. Can you please sort it>
Everyone is complaining about the alert slider being too high up on the phones edge, but I am still rocking my OnePlus 6 where the alert slider sits lower, and I sometimes switch it into a different alert mode by accident. So to me it now being a clear decision to switch alert mode because you need to slightly reach for it, is a welcome improvement. Also the flash sitting in the corner could be because then it sits lower and thus gives no chance of the light of the flash reaching into the lenses, unless you photograph mirrored surfaces.
I think clamshell flipping phones will get more mainstream provided they improve their cameras to flagship level. I think the story is very different with these compared to book style foldables.
It's so weird, the Oneplus 1 had amazing camera shots of motion, I was overjoyed by how well it did, I took photos from moving cars and trains and it looked like I used a tripod and stood directly by the subject. It has only been downhill since there and it still baffles me they expect us to use a different mode, instead of just going back to whatever they did in the Oneplus 1. That phone will forever be the best flagship killer to ever have been rolled up, I was glad to be a part of that journey while it lasted.
Ordered mine yesterday, so hyped. But sadly it’s arriving by the end of the month, can’t wait to have it in my hands. It was a bit sketchy to order bk in living in Germany and oneplus is not allowed to sell here bk of Motorola. Had to order to Austria
I feel open phones have a bigger market for designers rather than normal users....if these phones can support pencils and give damn good responses with amazing drawing experiences, it would be the best crossover between smartphones and drawing tablets.
I know I'll buy one for sure if this was the case
The Samsung Fold line-up supports the S-Pen just so ya know.
Also on top of that phone needs to be able to be used as pc something similar to samsung dex but only cable should be sufficent like two ports one fkr charging another for adapter to hdmi to plug in monitor or tv. That would replace all of devices i own into one. Well except software is issue since for 3d printing lychee slicer isnt android or apple released
@@awsomef2004 let me clear out what I mean, if given a choice as an artist to draw using a tab...would you go with iPad or Samsung fold series? I'm pretty sure majority would choose iPad.
What I mean is that these foldable phones need to up their game so then can become a potential option...cuz they cost a lot.
@rsr_10 tbh unless we have rollables, I don't see anyone choosing a foldable first because the screen can't fold out large enough
I love how you put MacOS Big Sur wallpaper on an android phone.
Wow that's awesome. Highly recommended it 🥰 Best Quality products
2 things are necessary for these phones to succeed: 1) Lower price 2) Durable inner screen, so that it can be used as a normal phone. Literally that's IT!
I've had the Z Fold 5 for about 2 months now and I don't think I'm ever going back to a regular phone after this one. It's definitely an experience and once you get used to it, so beneficial.
seriously: beneficial for what?
The average user like me scrolls through yt, reddit, insta etc, takes a few pictures and uses a messanger.
If I want to watch something on a bigger screen (while eating e.g.) I have a tablet but that is like once in a while and definitely an edge case.
And it is not like you can't split the screen in normal phones either (samsung phones).
in no way does the "just because it's nice" bonus justifies twice the price
see, it's benefical for ppl just want 1 gadget
@@riefkyarhaga4863 yeah but it sucks as a tablet. If you could flippidiflop it into a 10 inch device, then sure that is an aspect. Now it is marginally bigger but not as big as the viewing experience actually changes dramatically
@MHWGamer meh it's one of those things you just got to have to see. I bought mine with the intentions of returning it when the 15 pro max became available but now I dont even want to give samsung back this phone. It's just better
I am just commenting to see how this discussion turns out
Can you do a video on what's the best gaming controller for the OnePlus Open and check to see if any USB ones would align properly. Thanks
MKBHD always the best in reviews.
I like this Guy a lot.
I had a Samsung Fold 3 because I wanted to try foldables. After a few weeks I realized that I am losing more features compared to what I was getting from it being a foldable device. It was bulky, the battery was way too small, also the outer screen was kinda unusable. Then there was the reliability/durability concern. Also I wanted to keep it safe so I bought a case for it, that made it even bulkier. Overall it was not giving me what I was looking for. Instead of making my life easier, it made my life harder because I was constantly worrying about what would happen if I drop it or if it just randomly breaks or if the battery runs out of juice during the day...
Yeah I would definitely NOT get a Samsung foldable. Mainly is that outer screen, it's WAY too narrow to have it usable. In my mind the perfect foldable right now is the Pixel Fold. The outer screen is the perfect size so you don't need to keep unfolding, and you can unfold when you want and it's a nice landscape size. I get that no foldable is perfect right now as the durability is low, and that's why I would not get one yet. I would love to however. In my mind, a foldable shouldn't have to be unfolded all the time like you would need to with the Samsung's. It should be a like a folding laptop, you use it the laptop mode most of the time, and in the cases you want it tablet style you can. Same with a folding phone, the "tablet" part of it shouldn't need to be used all the time, rather when you would want to use it for media consumption for example, or games.
People, I'm using fold 3 for 2 years already and still am pretty satisfied with this guy. How big are your fingers that the outer display is not usable for u?))) The only big minus for me is camera... but I agree that this One plus is way more modern
I have no Clue what u are on. I had the Fold 3 for 2 soon. The outer screen unusable? What. u can litteraly use to everything as a normal Phone. U really must use ur phone alot since u say the battery is too small. i can go a whole day with it without problems. Seems like its not the phone that is the problem, but ur needs.
@@AndrewPL5 Too narrow? i love how its more narrow cause then u can use only one hand for it. u cant do that on a normal phone, its too wide to reach the top corners with one hand. And you can use the outer screen for litteraly everything as a normal phone.
@@Amhoj1 cool. I'm glad you enjoy it. For most people, it's way too narrow of a screen. Personally, it not only looks horrible, it is not great to use. Everything is so narrow. I don't care about "reachability" with one hand. Reading websites, looking at apps, etc on the outer screen is an overall bad experience. If I am getting a folding phone, I want it to be a normal aspect ratio on the outside, with the ability to open it to a bigger screen when I want. Samsung purposely made the outer screen bad so you'd have to unfold it constantly. I don't want to have to do that for an enjoyable experience. You have your preferences, I have mine.
The design is clean as hell.
Hell isn’t clean
Amazing camera quality ❤
I want a pen with a big screen like this! Also like pixel's aspect ratio. Seriously considering foldable for my next phone.
I recommend you do it
If you love money and practicality please don’t…you will regret it
If there was an Apple Pencil type stylus for a hotdog style folding phone, I’d be seriously tempted. And I’m very cynical about foldables. Even then I’d have a really hard time getting past my concerns about durability.
@banditnosey Ive have them the last several years. Dropped mine 4x today. It's fine.
@@cheeeeezewizzz I know some people have good luck with them, but I’ve been privy to enough total screen meltdowns of recent folding phones to be very wary. :( They’ve come super far in terms of durability and refinement since they first showed up, of course, but when I buy a phone I want to keep it for several years, and I still don’t feel at all confident that I would get that lifespan out of a folding phone.
As much as I'll probably never buy a foldable phone anytime soon, I still love watching these videos. Innovation is still cool to witness from a distance