How to Build Curbless Shower on Concrete Slab
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- čas přidán 3. 09. 2018
- Instructional video on how to achieve a curbless shower for a tiled shower pan on a slab on grade (concrete) foundation.
For this method, portions of the concrete slab need to be removed in order to achieve a 1/4" per foot slop to drain.
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Outstanding demonstration 👍👍👍
Of what ?...….no one could hope to learn much more than 1/4 in per foot minimum and then it got fast forwarded thru the meat of the subject, which is sad, because he looks like he knows what he is doing...…….
@@shawncockrell6007 this isnt a tutorial to teach you step by step how to build a shower pan. its a demonstration of a "know how", a tip to other tilers how they could for some its how they should build a pan on a concrete slab. if youre clueless and all you got out of the video is slope to be a quarter inch per foot than you should be watching step by step videos for beginners first. this video is an excellent pot of simple knowledge for tilers who have never done these but have built standard shower pans, or just to get a different perspective of how other experienced tilers do it.
@@baraboo-nb7hv I get that after watching, but the title is "How to",...once again, great job, I have been in construction for 30 years and easily recognize you are a pro and know what your doing....I am just saddened like many others it did not cover it more, great video, perhaps you should make a how to if you feel like, I am sure many would watch,....anyway, thanks for showing what you did, it was helpful,...it just would have been nice to see and hear your thoughts on the rest of the steps.
…….and it did do exactly what you wanted as I have done many showers, just not on a slab, thanks .
@@shawncockrell6007 im not the one who made this video lol @TileCoach i think he meant this one for you
@@baraboo-nb7hv LOL,...ooops,...yeah this is not even tile coach in the video....lol
I’ve been a tile contractor since 2006, in San Diego. this is an incredible amount of work. I didn’t see a helper either, you are a god amongst men sir, I salute you!
There were two of them...
This is great, I price a lot of bathroom remodels here in Austin, Texas and most homes have concrete floors, so watching the process done by professionals really helps me explain the process to clients, and the cost, time, and dust involved. Thanks!
Tile sub-contractor in Central Florida here. This wouldn’t pass code here in floriduhh. They have us remove the slab entirely,excavate the dirt down 4” the. Rebar every 2’ and pour a new slab. Then mud the pan on top of that. I use a 14” concrete saw with water hookup. Its extremely popular here as the majority of our clientele is retiree’s. Cheers guys. I love your videos!
Steven, I’m hoping this might catch your eye. Anticipating buying a home with a (now, you’re going to have to picture this!!!) 3-step DOWN tiled tub/shower combo. It was supposedly built in the 70s. It has a grab bar to grab as you step down into the shower, but there is also tub spigot to fill your “tub”!!!! I have never seen anything like it and I PICTURE totally taking out the spigot, of course, all the tile, fill up the app 3 feet depth with concrete to current bath floor height, before re-tiling and new shower fixtures. Can you picture this in the least and does MY solution ring true???? The reason I’m reaching out to you is bc I’m also in Florida!!! Thanks for any help!!!
I guess I need to watch some more videos. It looks to me like Isaac did an excellent job of REMOVING a shower floor drain. I was looking for a video on how to INSTALL a curbless shower drain.
Hey isaac much respect to you. You are very knowledgeable and easy to listen too. You have a good heart and very driven.
Great video! Exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for posting.
Awesome instructions I done a few of these before not for zero threshold just because of old houses. The way my dad explained it to me water will always go downhill LOL you're awesome good video
Right on man that's what I needed to see good job
Great stuff brother!
Good vid, nice jam.
Loving the music and the work 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
Damn your a hard worker.
Good job
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Thanks, Liked and Subscribed!
OK, how about this... After reading through ALL the comments; here is what can be learned from this video:
1. Chipping a slope into a slab is an alternative to removing that area of concrete completely.
2. Leave an edge of uncut slab that you can set your level on as a reference to take measurements.
3. Proper slope for a shower is at least 1/4" of drop per linear foot from one end of the pan to the drain.
4. 5 years ago, it seems that people were less familiar with linear drains as so many people wondered where the drain went.
5. A thinset slurry can be used as a bonding layer between the existing slab and the mortar bed.
6. Mark out reference points along the length of the shower to use when checking the depth of concrete removal.
7. It's not a big deal if you chip out more concrete that necessary because you'll build it back up with mortar.
8. Appreciate the hard work of skilled contractors.
9. You can sometimes learn a lot from the comments section. Its not all about the video.
10. No all videos posted on this platform will be exactly what you want, but you should still be able to learn something.
Dry pack (floor mud) is not the same thing as mortar. You really dont need a bond between the dry pack and the concrete. Vinyl liners didn't had a bond, premade pans dont have a bond. I would not have left all that loose hipped concrete in there. Dry pack pre-slopes are not packed in with much force so that loose concrete could move over time.
Great job
you did that shit man!!! sweet demonstration.
Did you do a pre pitch ? and do you need to lay a shower liner here? is it better to break the entire slab ? thanks in advance.
Isaac if you score 1in in length of shower floor it would be easy to chip concrete side way. It’s easier on chipping hammer. Food for thought.
Nice guitar 🎸
Do you ever make a custom sized board that spans the concrete edges you kept during tear out ... wonder if you attached a 1/4" sloped bottom board to the custom length board one could keep consistent angle as you dragged across wet mud
Great video! If you have to break concrete to relocate a shower drain, seems like you might as well do this?
Hei Huys a question :
How would you do the same type of work like you showed here in this video if you were to do it on the second floor when you would have someone living down you?
This video shows that its on ground floor.
If you were to remove that piece of concrete slab would you be allowed to do so?
I look forward to your reply
Looks like you know what your doing,...but as a 30 year carpenter I was unable to learn anything as very little info was shown, its was fast forward to quick to even see and no explanation of materials...….I am not sure what this video accomplishes for anyone. It is certainly not a instructional video for much more than cutting concrete...….as no other information was explained presented,......which is a shame, as it really looks like you know what your doing and are doing it correctly...….
Hey Isaac, I'd love to hear your thoughts or recommendations for keeping your body healthy and in good shape while being a tile setter. Keep up the great videos, your attitude is (mainly) why I watch!
I would like to know the same thing I've been doing tile work and building showers for awhile and am always sore definitely hard on the body
Swimming regularly helps you greatly
I would like to build a barrier free shower but my house is on floor trusses with 22" centers. I can't find any information that speak to trusses all the info is on Joists. Any idea where I can get some answers on what needs to be done to accommodate floor trusses? Thanks and great videos!
Thanks for the video! Did you not put a lathe down because it’s on concrete?
Where is the drain?
In the Mississippi river LOL
Apparently it's a linear drain right near the wall
@@MrPhys yes we see them installing it PRIOR to the pour...then after it looks like its gone.
What do you pour over the slab before adding the deck mud?
I just break the whole area out and start from scratch makes me more money and is much better
Good stuff! Out of curiosity, would you happen to know what would be the optimal approach to preform this during the concrete pour? Maybe just have the shower pan section be 2 inches or something lower than the rest of the pour, and let the tile people handle the rest? I'd assume there would need to be enough space to do a membrane and tile too, with concrete being porous and all..
@@TileCoach Thanks! Keep up with the great videos :)
I am installing a curb less wet area in my bathroom. one end is a shower the other end a free standing cast iron tub. I tore out the pre fab shower and garden tub already. Would i need to cut out the concrete in the tub area as well or just the shower area? and if so how much to chip out for a floor pan? would i still need to use a membrane under entire wet area?
Wandering what happened to your shower p trap.
How did you resolve the drop between new shower pan and existing concrete slab? assuming a glass panel will be installed there but still can see a little curb. Would be better to move the drain to the back or even middle so the floor will flow more naturally?
What type of deck mud do you use I use bostik mud in a bag and the perimeters are 3/4 of an inch minimum and 4 inches at it max
What is the brown paper you put down at the end and how much thinset do you put on top of it
This us very similar layout to mine ,even the toilet is in same spot,my 2 48 in drains are on back wall,so all the slab came out,4x9 pan,w kerdi presloped, had to relocate 2 drains ,for linears,kerdi line,but this was interesting, wheres the finished vid,and isnt the drain supposed to be set in thinset,rather than mortar nice job
Nice! If you were building a new foundation with a plan to have a curbless shower, how would you set that up? Perhaps have an OSB panel pressed into the foundation right after the concrete pour to make a shower floor surface that angles down? And remove once the concrete dries?
Concrete is much stiffer and heavier than that. It would probably be best done with a form in place before the pour.
stupid question sir, couldn't you just put self-leveling concrete in the whole bathroom like 1 to 2 inches. Might have saved you some time digging up concrete. I haven't worked with self leveling concrete that much. Then you could have ordered a pre fabricated tile ready shower pan. Whats your thoughts about that?? I'm working on my basement and in similar situation. Thank you!
Do you have a link to that exact tool?
So no weep drain for these anymore? Curdy systems i dont see weep...
So like... what happened to the drain?
It looks like it was relocated as a linear/lineal drain near the wall.
@@lliaolsen728 oh! Okay, thanks!
Can you pour concrete over the mortar bed? The builder did not waterproof (tiles falling off drywall + no pan liner) and made it "sunken" close 4" lower in relation to the bathroom floor. The shower floor has less a little over an inch of concrete and another little over an inch of mortar bed. I would like to pour concrete to level it to the bathroom floor & do the the mortar right after but I am unaware of any precautions I should know about. Please help. It was horribly built that they tiled with the drain base. To top it off, the drain base was not glued but attached with duct tape...yes you read it right..DUCT TAPE.
What blade did you use on the grinder?
is this ok to do on a post tension slab?
What depth would you recommend for a 5x7’ curb less with a liner drain on a new construction?
quarter inch for every foot, so if you run is 7 feet your end should be 1 3/4 "
Can you give me an idea about the price to make a curbless shower like this ?
What happens with you hit a post tension cable?
What ever happened to the drain and p trap? Why was it covered over?
I guess it will cost me a whole lot more money to convert into a sloped drain on my level concrete bathroom slab. The best way really is to put a fancy drain when you are building a NEW house.
This video shows just one thing: that the ability to do something doesn't confer the ability to demonstrate how to do it. I appreciate the effort made: but as a teaching resource, this is dire.
I never thought you could jack hammer "layers" like that. What happens if the mesh is in the way, and you need to go down another 1/2" or whatever. Can you remove it with a grinder/wire cutter?
Isaac Ostrom Thanks, also, how long did it take him to jackhammer out that shower floor? Can’t tell if it was a one hour or half day job. I’m going to do this to my basement bath remodel and don’t know how much labor is involved vs doing a mud pan. I guess you don’t have to do a pre slope and curb!
@@TileCoach Any comment about post-tensioned slabs? My concern would be running in to one of the cables, which couldn't be cut.
@@richardpellis
I've cut post tension cables for room additions....it is not a big a deal as they say it is. Its been 20 years, nothing has happened in any of my projects.....
So how u going to get a drain in there
I'm currently doing a job like this. Previous installer didn't slope the pan properly and all the tile is breaking and coming up from water damage.
What happens if you have to replace a tile on your shower pan and you damage the kerdi as you pull the tile up??? Do you have to tear out the whole pan and start over since the 2" overlap is required to be waterproof? What are your thoughts on this? Seems like a risky system if it's not repairable.
@@TileCoach If you chip a couple of tiles and they're well stuck to the kerdi and you can't replace them without damaging the kerdi, then you're screwed! you'll have to tear out the whole thing and redo the shower pan like in your repair video! An easy and cheap repair would turn into an expensive and time consuming repair. Mud or wedi sounds like a better option because they're repairable systems. The wedi pan is entirely waterproof and can be punctured as long as it doesn't get punctured all the way through and with mud pans the membrane is under the sloped mud. I'll stay away from kerdi shower pans.
@@TileCoach The reason i asked is because this happened at my jobsite when i used the schluter system. Somehow the tiles got chipped and i had to tear it all out and start over in order guarantee a water tight shower pan. The tiles were expensive.....$150 a box. If i had used the vinyl liner or wedi, i would've repaired the chipped tiles in 5 minutes and cost me nothing. I've never seen a wedi sealant separate. Surface applied polyurethane will not work. It must be applied in the joint and on the surface and you have to be generous when applying the sealant....In order for that sealant to separate the house must be falling apart in an earthquake lol They also sell a membrane like kerdi band with corners if you don't trust the sealant.....You can double it up, sealant and the wedi band around the pan.
So with a 2 wall “curbless “ you have a lip on the right side ?
Jajajajaja some people dont know what they are taking about. Great job O. Tile
My bath remodel contractor wants to jackhammer the slab all the way to the dirt, and fill the cavity with concrete. That is, around the drain pipe and up to a workable level for the mortar bed. Does this make sense to you?
Sure, why not?
NICE
I like the guitar.
Cool I thought you had to take out all the concrete foundation where the shower goes and pour a new lower one
You can do either
Doesn't the drain have to be exposed? Looks like it was covered up u lost drain.
So then you dig out the trap area again? Couldn't u box it off? The puzzle for me is how on earth do I access the trap once it's covered with the shower. Now that I see this I'm guessing you do not access the trap ever again. It's glued in and encased and covered. You can snake it but you can't disassemble it.
All hat work to put back 95 % of the base????
Would of been faster to take out concrete . Always wear respirator mask , cilica and dust from just sweeping I bad for lungs. Especially when you have already demo concrete
I agree, I am about to do almost the exact same thing, same configuration. I've been planning to remove all of the concrete slab under the shower and re-floating it to slope. I think that is much faster than terraforming the existing slab imo.
Where is your pan liner?
''How to Cut Concrete and then fill it back in again''
In order to fill up a hole you have to dig out one
Tell me the measurements of shower area in inches
The first depth doesnt look close to 1/2". Looks more like 1 1/2"
y'all left out alot,this fast forward crap sucks,sorry guys!!
I envision two inventions which would make the concrete demo faster and safer.
me too...it is called a Mexican Laborer.
@John Smith No, says the guy living 5 miles from the border in an over saturated construction labor market.
This looks way nicer than a curb why don’t people make them all cue less, seems easier to water proof as well
Because its labor intensive, which means expensive.
How long did the "dig out" work take on the concrete?
I’m guessing, but if you watch the left side of the screen you can see the sunlight moving as it comes through the window. Going off that it took pretty most if the day.
Yep, almost a full day of just chipping concrete , depending of how hard the concrete slab is.
where's the drain?
Watch the vid ...the whole vid without anxiously awaiting your chance to add a criticism to the guy's vid.....
Silicosis
What Happened to the drain? I must be loosing it...
no shit, i missed it to
6:51 hey my video stops at 6:22?
Ya, I don’t see the drain either. My video stops at 6:22 also. I’m guessing the drain is near the wall and difficult to see!
I’m looking to set a Kerdi preslopped pan in an existing slab.
Still searching for videos.
Isaac Ostrom I can see it now at 3:51
Are there more videos as this project progresses?
I’ll be searching for them.
Nice job, thanks for the video.
Would you attempt this on a post tension slab?
No
@@BoutTime444 short and sweet “NO”. Why not...aren’t the cables deep enough in the slab
Cutting openings in PT slabs does require care and caution because of the possibility that PT ten- dons may have to be cut. ... Small penetrations are those that can be cut into a slab without affecting any of the existing PT tendons; conversely, large openings are those that require the cutting of existing tendons.
But if you do happen to cut one of those cables then your project will cost
@@BoutTime444 fuck it....I’m going for it. Wish me luck!
Tune that guitar please!
But where is the drain. I’m confused.
Thanks for the video. BTW, Your guitar is out of tune
Why not just cutout the entire slab and pour a new one. That would have been a lot easier than chiseling away at the concrete like that. If you mix the mud a little dryer you can get it to float the way you want it before adding the mortar bed.
Lot more work
:)
Concrete dust. I hate concrete dust.
Would be easier and way faster to grind down the concrete
Chase that grinder with a vaccumm
Hard
Not much of a shower without a diverter and shower head..
A lot of work just to use a linear drain. The worst part? That out of tune guitar!!!
Not very detailed !
This is horrible no actual floor no moisture vapor don't do this
to fast, didnt learn anything at all, yall should do better than that, come on now!!
@@TileCoach ok,thk-u, im an amputee and im about to tackle it by myself, so I need all the help i can get, thks again!@
@@jaimesustaita285 you're rude lol