Where is the Aged Whisky? - Glenmorangie a Tale of Tokyo
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
- 00:00 Where is the Age Statement Whisky?
06:26 Glenmorangie a Tale of Tokyo
10:23 Story Continues
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right now i’m watching both the 3-5 year old whiskey tribe videos with crazy energy and the cool and chill vibes here with daniel… and gotta say, i wasn’t expecting the cool and chill videos of late really has me hooked! congrats daniel!
I've learned the same thing Daniel. EVERY whisky is about how I experienced it, not how the marketing worked on me. This is why blind samples and blind flights are such fun!
You truly get to find where your tastes land, without the age statement or lack of one can influence you.
The real lure of course, is that age statement whiskey can feel like a liquid time capsule.
I always find myself reflecting when I have a high age statement whiskey poured into my glass.
Where was I 15, 21 or 27 years ago? How much has my life and personality changed since then? How much more have I learned?
Whisky can be a magical experience... and it does help that I learned how to properly wield such power at a Wizard Academy. 🖖😎🥃
Always love it when you interrupt your story to do a double take a after your first whiff of the whisky
Great Video!
I avoid NAS-Whiskys, because i love details and informations. I don't care about fancy stories.
There are of course good NAS-Whiskys out there, but i have more then enough choices in the Age-Statement market. 😅👍🏼
I'll be keeping an eye out for that one. Thanks for sharing!
I have not watched your posts for some months, but what a relief to see a nice good review. Keep up the good works😊
this was a great dialog and agree completely. Love what you love!
This is why I love this channel
Really well done review.
Very thoughtful and nuanced perspective.
Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love this format! What a great topic and discussion. I understand and appreciate everything you said, but at the end of the day, age statement is still quite important to me. It’s one of only a few objective qualifiers that we can use to learn about a whisky before trying it.
Literally bought this bottle yesterday and I really like this NAS, it's a bona fide Toofer...great on the nose neat, then great on the palette with a dash of water. Really enjoyed it as well as your review and perspective on NAS as a category, well done.
I completely agree with you.
Good talk!
My 5 (out of 52) favorites on my shelf right now is one 15, one 12 and three NAS. So I totally agree.
I wouldn’t say the battle against superficial consumer value judgements is necessarily lost. It depends on the producer, why they’re making whisky, and who they’re producing for. The big boys like Glenlivet and Macallan, sure, they know who they’re producing for. People who don’t know any better. They’re producing for the passive, uneducated consumer. Low ABVs, coloring, and chill filtration are standard practice for them. Then there are distilleries like Ardnamurchan and Arran who are obviously passionate and skilled at what they do, are producing for an educated enthusiast, and produce high quality whisky with integrity that has the specs that we whisky enthusiasts value. Both have their place in the wider market, but the internet (and specifically these two channels because of their incredible reach) has made it easier than ever to educate yourself about whisky, which is why these smaller distilleries who produce with integrity have exploded in popularity. They are still fighting, to them the battle against passive consumerism has not been lost, and they are thriving. Kudos to them and I will certainly continue to patronize them over the big names who are producing whisky with weaker specs and charging more for it. I’m sure there are many like me as well!
Amen. Well said.
I was able to attend a Glenmorangie tasting a few months ago hosted (via livestream) by Dr. Bill, their Director of Whiskey Creation. And I fell in love with Tale of Tokyo. For me the nose also carried like an incense note, like sandalwood or dragon's blood. I ended up buying a bottle, it was so good! Cheers!
I enjoyed this series from Glenmorangie. The only one I didn't like was Winter. Forest, Cake and Tokyo are wonderful! I love many NAS whiskies! I don't understand some people's issues/rants about them and cost! Many of my favourite expressions have a NAS! Sure I love a highly aged single malt - give me a 25 yo Ardbeg any time or Lagavulin or a Laphroaig! But I also love so many spectacular NAS expressions!! Terrific video Daniel!!
I have just finished a bottle of forest and I have to say what a wonderful dram. it’s funny I have tried many bottles of whisky and as much as I enjoy and love them Forrest is the only one what seems to take me back to a particular memory of me sat in my grandads garden by the seaside in Wales and a damp day in spring. And I couldn’t agree with you more people are so hung up on age statement and miss out on some real gems because they think they are inferior.
nice one!
Great video Daniel all that matters to me is transparency the best whiskey is the one you enjoy the most. just be honest about the product. I put this in that aged it like this and here it is.
Totally agree. As an Avid fan of Craft Whiskey (especially Colorado) age is often a point of contention. I think that yes age matters a little, but you have far more impact with Cuts, barrel size, and grain choice. Oh so many things to say.
Thank you again for another great conversation 🥃
I appreciate the video 🥃
Cheers 🥃
FWIW my experience with NAS Scotch/Irish whisk[e]ys vs. aged-stated stuff in those same two categories is no contest ... the age-stated stuff is virtually always better to the point that I long ago lost my willingness to chase NAS stuff. If I lived in the Whiskey Vault, however, my experience might be quite a bit different.
Like other commentators, I too really enjoy your cool, relaxed, and confident vibe, Daniel. I also enjoyed, and still go back to, your presentation bouncing off Rex. Tell me you two still hangout some and enjoy some drams together. Would love to see you two together now and then.
Cheers to you to 👍👍🥃🥃
It’s that alchemy to get both nose and palate right that marks a truly gifted distiller, but if you can go from one to the other with a few drops of water I’ll still buy and drink it.
Great vid! Also, would you bring back Poor Man's blends from Rex Week (Month)? I loved that short segment! I kept hoping it would eventually come back but never did. BUT this is a great opportunity to start it back up!
Last time I was up in Scotland I was staying down the road from Glenmorangie. When I went in they were putting bottles of Tokyo out so I asked if I could buy a case of six in the crate box they package them in for shipping for my collection, Also two bottles to drink.
We got a Terry's dark chocolate orange at xmas. Only ate a couple of slices (there's lots of chocolate here, that happens). Left it sitting with the foil open on the kitchen table, next to the basil plant. A week ago I tried a slice and got a huge hit of basil on the nose. Basil orange dark chocolate. It's as weird as it sounds, but also compelling to keep smelling it.
yeah.... a 25 year age statement has to be pretty cool.... I haven't yet been able to do that, but its going to happen one day. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for explaining why brands named themself as Old ___. Bugs me that Scotch distilleries are allowed to add coloring to the whisky. I would like all whisky to non chill filtered but I understand why it’s done. I like to compare this to wine since I know a lot more about wine than whisk(e)y. With wine, I want it to be filter because unfiltered wine with the yeast in the bottle can spoil the wine. With Champagne, the winemakers actually chill filter the wine to get rid of the yeast by freezing the and removing the crown cap.
For most whiskey i still prefer aged but with nas my favourite thing is that distilleries bring out some really interesting releases, nas is best when they do experimentation and use the freedom that nas allows
Those are fighting words to Ralfy.
But even Ralfy has acknowledged that there now are substantial amounts of quality NAS scotches out there today whereas previously there were not.
You just described what Robert Whul called "The Liberty Valence Effect."
Taken from the Jimmy Stewart movie: "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
This was VERY close to my (Frank) request for an origin story on charred barreling whiskeys. I was told it was a happy accident turned into an industry standard.
❤ dude
I think the main argument for an age statement is most use the age to judge it’s value. $100 for a 2yr old whiskey seems absurd, but if it’s 8-10yr we can somehow rationalize that as an appropriate value. It’s putting a price on time.
Agreed
I thoroughly enjoyed Cake, but couldn't bring myself to spend another 100 on these in the series. Tokyo was close to a buy but I held off.
I'm not sick of NAS whiskies, but I do like information on the label, including an age statement. Howsomever, if it's good I'll drink it even if the label only has the bare minimum of information the TTB requires.
“Sparkle and spice” sounds like a SMWS bottle name. 😉
Welcome all Whiskey Vaulters to Story Time with Daniel!
I am fine with no age statement as long as the contents are good; however the age statement does give some good information on how it might be prior to tasting.
Looking for age statements is snobby. Good whiskey speaks for itself no matter the age.
What I’d like to see with Scotch is an age statement requirement for all bottlings, which would include percentages of all malts used. It doesn’t need to be the age number of the youngest whisky in the mix, and it doesn’t need to be prominent on the bottle. Just list it somewhere. So a hypothetical 7-year single malt might have:
56% 7-year-old
32% 10-year-old
12% 18-year-old
Or at least just give us the average age.
While there is NAS Bourbon, you really cannot compare it to NAS Scotch, given the laws surrounding Bourbon production. and the labeling rules.
But you are correct good whiskey is good whisky n matter the age.
I attended a Total Wine live show with Glenmo/Ardbeg back in October and enjoyed this one. Bought it for my dad for Christmas, and showed my mom. Didn't know she would leave us a few weeks later. My dad enjoyed the bottle.
Oh, and the program at Total was good to, though the Glenmo Master Distiller wasn't as sloshed as when he did the Ardbeg link some 6 or 7 years ago, but he was just as informative and entertaining.
Sorry about your Mom. She was blessed to have such a thoughtful child.
While I do like the idea of age statements as tools to uphold standards, at the end of the day all that matter is does the whiskey taste good. I have plenty of age stated bottles but I find that when I’m “ranking” or making list of my favorites, the non age stated bottles TYPICALLY make up the majority of my lists or rank higher than the age stated ones. Not saying either is better than the other but more speaking the idea that age doesn’t mean better.
I just want to know that my whisky is more than 5 seconds old. At least give a range? Or anything to work on? Because given the option, I will go for something I KNOW has some guaranteed success VS a complete gamble. I still gamble, but every time I've been burned was on a NAS bottle (except Ardbeg 10)
Will the nose and the pallet of different btaches ofbthe same Whisky differ? For instance, if I buy the same Glenmorangie that you are having here in Canada , will it be exqctly the same a what you are having right now?
Yes!
Dettling distillery does it right . Check them out .
I agree that age isn’t necessarily a marker of “better” whiskey, but neither is price. I’ve tried some pours of whiskies that cost upwards of $150, yet I’ve found that I still prefer bottles that I can get for around $50-$60
People also dont international laws mayhaps. straight versus maybe read a book. slainte this video is amazing
I totally agree. I judge a whisky by how much I like it. Everything else is marketing fluff
Do you consider "Bonded" an age statement? I know there are other factors to bottled in bond, but there is a minimum age involved, and as a consumer it feels like one could make the argument.
So, the thing i learned (from this channel) is that it takes much longer for Mizunara Oak to impact Whisky because the wood is so dense and tight. So when I see Whiskies "finished" in Mizunara Oak, I just pass them by because I "know" that it is just marketing and not actually impacting the Whisky. Does this point of view hold water?
I think it's possible, but everything depends on the cask they used, how used it was, and how long the "finish" was
I have realized that they are all unique, from the age statement to the non age statement. Because how often will you buy a 25 yr bottle? Few of use have this as our daily drinker. So I'll by a 25 yr Ardbeg or a bottle of Triegh Bahn and maybe (depending on how much it hit the target) I'll buy another in a year or two. By the time I replace either of those they will be two to four batches different there might be some similarities, since they still come from Ardbeg, but you don't get a direct replacement. There is always DRIFT. So really how much help is a 5year old review even? It's not the same Whisky. Here let me get my soap box out of the way now.😁
This is something that’s been on my mind recently. I completely disregard older reviews on the same brand/bottle. The batchier bottlings do indeed change noticably, sometimes going from “buy” to “pass”, or vice versa.
I love no age statement whiskey. It gives the producer so much more freedom to make it taste great without a number on it. All that matters to me is does it taste good. I know people crap all over it, e150a, chill filtering etc., but does it taste good? If it does then who cares. A lot of magical experiences have been had because of NAS whiskies. See Compass Box and many others. Cheers
I have some chill filtered and colored bottles I enjoy for sure. But I always wonder how much better they can be in craft presentation. A non-chill filtered Laga 16 at 50% for example.
@@utoobia I would love to try that too. Sounds great. Cheers
Its all about the power of information. Think about the Mortlach NAS special releases which cost 300 dollars. Does it taste good? Probably. Is it 15 year old? We dont know. Is it 5 year old? We still dont know.
I'd say beyond 100 dollars, you simply cant throw money at an NAS bottle hoping that it'll taste like 100 bucks. Distillers have no obligation to always keep price and quality going hand in hand.
Then there is the personal dimension here: what if you told a fresh whiskey producer that well informed customers only want 10 year old whiskies minimum. The producer would basically have to wait 10 years to sell their first whisky. Now, what would their next move be in terms of communication to prospect customers about the age statements of whiskey? Perhaps through a youtube video? :)
I think as a customer, its always important to spend your money wisely while keeping as much of the power of information in your own hands as possible. The minimum requirement is 3 years to call it a whiskey. Would you spend more than 100 dollars of your hard earned money solely based on that amount of information? :)
There are just to judgements to be made when i buy, does it grab my interest and then can i afford it 🤷♂️ simple
I think if they didn’t want it to be seen as a money grab they should have bottled it at least 46% abv and not chill filtered it. Or better yet put it out at cask strength no one called Victoriana or Uigeadail a money grab because it was put out at high specs.
Please bring back the Mr Roger’s intro
The Mr. Roger's intro is for Hidden Drams on Friday.
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Sick of NAS? Not really, but it's still a trend I don't like. It makes it harder to guess what's in the bottle. That allows distillers to price middle-tier whiskey much higher than it deserves.
Yes, age might not be 100% reliable, but it's at least something. Without it, you just have a bunch of pretty names that mean nothing. It's like going through the Ikea catalog based only on the name.
Bring back Bacalta
I guess I'm a bit of a Negative Ned. I believe I'd be happier with a steady supply of a dozen or so favorites from 25 years or so ago at reasonable prices, rather than the NAS "new adventures" that keep getting cooked up in the present inflated market.
Pronounced correctly! Yamaguchi (family name) Akira (given name). Japanese vowels are same as spanish vowels.
Drink more whiskey and less "Kool-Aid!"
For some reason, I'm leaning to the right watching this but it has nothing to do with politics. I'd say more Jack Sparrow.
Tough luck absolutely...there's only two types of Whisk(e)y: Stuff I like and stuff I don't like. Thanks for taking the 'I dont do NAS/chill-filtered/E150-colored' snobs head on.
Don’t forget about the ABV snobs!
Very glad you got rid of mooch, he really brought down these reviews.