Peter Windsor: “There is NO solution to the Hamilton-Russell problem now. It’s Already Gone Too Far”
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- čas přidán 25. 09. 2023
- In this interview with @peterwindsor we talks about why Mercedes have a big problem on their hands in Lewis Hamilton and George Russell and why it might already be too late to solve it, Japanese GP and how Red Bull managed to bounce back from the Singapore GP, the problem with the F1 media, Sainz jr vs Alonso, who is the number 1 at Ferrari and why F1 could do with more tracks like Suzuka and what Red Bull and Max Verstappen do so well at Suzuka.
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Do you agree / disagree with Peter?
Peter is always right in 99%
Disagree that Russell’s only concern is beating Hamilton, im sure his main concern is winning races over that.
I think long term Lewis is old. If Mercedes want to be on top in the next few years they need to get behind Russell. If he is a tenth faster then Lewis he is the quicker driver. The rest will come as he matures
I agree with almost everything but the Piastri-Norris comparison. I think we've had many outstanding rookies since Max and Lewis, who have had great rookie seasons , but haven't yet delivered on that World Championship promise. I mean we need to see more of Piastri, especially his race pace and management, before we make claims about Championships. Having a superior driving style is a big plus but not everything.
Peter is necessary love his breakdowns his knowledge is vast when it comes to F1 bar none but, he is slightly bias when it comes to Red Bull
I think Toto believed that Merc was going to continue to be the frontrunner under the new regs, believed that Lewis would quickly bag his 8th WDC and retire, and they would have George ready to race for Championships. But they built a mule instead of a thoroughbred, so the whole "3 year plan" went from sugar to shit.
Facts. More to come if Toto doesnt sort it out with some team orders.
@@alimantado373 George has to understand that Lewis taking it easy on his tires early in the cycle doesn't mean that George has more pace. George is always attacking when Lewis is trying to bring his tires in slowly to capitalize later in the stint. If they race each other early in a stint, they lose out to EVERYONE ELSE. It's just basic racing IQ, but George can't see beyond the end of his nose sometimes.
George was meant to be the wingman who was willing to race Max wheel to wheel all the way off the track, instead of Valterri letting Max by, while Lewis continued to rack up titles.
It wasn’t even conceivable that Mercedes would design a dog midfield car and still not completely understand the regs after a year and a half.
Too many diversity hires back at the factory
Could not have said this any better; and I am quite sure you are 100% correct.
Sir Peter Windsor is my go to guy for post free practice / qualifying and post race analysis. Always great content.
been that way for years
Same even when I know I will not like what he says. I know he is balanced.
@@iseebee1494yeah, thats what I recently noticed as well.
While he seemed a notorious Lewis fan, and I always deemed him heavily biased ... he's actually quite balanced nowadays.
Every other week he is praising those who did well, and will definitely mention those who failed.
He's still a Lewis fanboy, and preemptively excusing any mistakes made by him...but that's fair, he can be fan of anyone he wishes. I find it negligible since he will always find the drivers who did an outstanding job, and praise them accordingly.
He's clearly a racing fan at heart, and has an impeccable way of informing us in a very well narrated way.
@@Snaakie83 37:09 what he said here is true
@@Snaakie83 you could say he's a Verstappen fanboy just as much. I think he's not a fanboy, he just appreciates great driving.
I’m afraid Toto learned nothing from the Rosberg Lewis years.
It seems you don't get the picture
If was fine In 2014-16 because merc were never in doubt of losing the constructors title
Difference is now toto loves George as much as Lewis because he’s a merc academy driver which makes him more conflicted while in the past deep down he preferred Hamilton
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoter who devved the car in 2022, who did they rely on for points. I think you are mistaken in your opinion.
Toto has to read Wikipedia!🤔🤗
Peter is the F1 Oracle, that man speaks the truth! Love these chats you guys have
Peter is on another level in terms of insights in the world of formula one
I think Russel problem is Race Pace. He can't have a high race pace as Hamilton at this moment at time. If you look back at the Canadian GP, he could not keep up with Verstappen, Alonso and Hamilton at that race. In 10 Laps into the race he asked his team for a diffrent strategy because he couldn't keep up and later he crashed into the wall because he couldn't accept that he was slower that race than the 3 drivers infront of him. Just like in Japan, he couldn't accept it that Hamilton was faster than him.
I think Albon has been at least as good as George at Williams. George made Latifi look competent at times. He’s quite overrated
@@michaeldellorso889 100% Albon has impressed me more than George this season. Hell, Oscar Piastri has impressed me way more. He's a rookie that is making great moves and he stays calm and never says a negative thing. George can't finish a lap without crying over the radio, it's very concerning for Mercedes future. They have to either drop George or hope Lewis retires after this next contract and they're able to get an Oscar or a Leclerc. George will never win them a championship, he has no shot with his talent or temperament.
@@joshn1678And yet place him in a Redbull and hed do a Perez. Hes already proven that point.
@@michaeldellorso889 I don't agree. When did George make Latifi look competent? He was outqualified only once by latifi, while albon was beaten a couple of times by latifi in the wet. Also don't forget Albon was very poor against verstappen, whitewashed in race and quali trim while Russell is doing decent against Hamilton. Albon was also beaten by Kvyat in pts before switching to RB so until Albons up against a competitive teammate you cant come to that conclusion
I love Peter and I'm always struck that no one else, that I can find, analyzes driving dynamics like he does
true
What I’m seeing from George is he’s too focused on beating Lewis and is blinded to how those decisions impact his overall race and the team. He compromised his strategy of a two stop to try a 1 stop to stay ahead of Lewis. Didn’t care if everyone else would overtake him and loose positions.
umm that's his job.
I see the opposite... This guy too focused on winning the race rather than competing with Lewis. That is why he always thinks outside of the box and goes for all or nothing strategy which costs him a lot of races this season...
@@Keeemmmmm Exactly, and it looks like Ham is just as focused on beating Rus, as we have seen the past few races.
The guy thinks he's the main
character...crashes on the last lap 😂
His job is to race and win for the team, not to focus on Lewis, Hamiltons A game is to beat everyone, not just George, and this is why Lewis finishes races, gets podium and is so far up the table than George
Agreed. Lewis not impressed with anything other than a podium finish, regardless if GR finishes infront or behind. Where as George is consumed with finishing in front of his team mate, regardless if it's p10/ p11.
What you are saying is Russell is hungry for success, whereas Hamilton wants it presented to him on a platter. Only one of those two convictions can lead to building a better and more successful team.
@@FrancisFjordCupola How have you come to that conclusion?
What he’s saying is one is only interested in the ultimate prize and not concerned with anything less.
Whereas the other is only concerned with beating the bloke on the other side of the garage.
The first and obvious goal is to beat your team-mate especially if you have a car that is not capable of winning. Your team-mate is ultimately the only comparison with the same car.
@@C3lloman Spot on under usual circumstances. Although I get the impression Lewis really isn’t bothered about where George finishes. His main focus since last year has been getting the car to a point where they can genuinely compete.
Whereas George’s goal is different. Let’s not forget he also has time on his side.
They’re at completely different stages of their career that’s why and George has aspirations of becoming World Champion. If George was playing the team game constantly people would be calling for Mercedes to swap him for somebody more competitive just like they did with Valterri.
Am the happiest man alive our old Lewis is back not having any crap from anyone.
THE LION IS ALIVE 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Are you from a different planet like Max?!😅😅😅
@@51bikerboy Nope no more Mr. Nice just like in 2021 Lewis was very nice and then got Robbed by FIA and Redbull
@@evanubi5 🥱🥱 as nice as in Silverstone 21 🙄
@@evanubi5the magic brake button robbed Lewis of the championship 😅
@@evanubi5 still butthurt? Then if you cry about 2021 giva massa 2008 title back, Interlagos with Glock 🤔😉🖕
LH vs GR head to head so far
Race: 12-4
Quali: 8-8
🤷♂️
George’s season has been all potential no reward he could’ve been right there with Lewis on points but he’s made some mistakes
The guy thinks he's the main
character...crashes on the last lap 😂
@@shakmarriott4820 yes and the mistakes were thinking the priority was to finish ahead of his team mate at all costs at every race and not focus on maximising WCC points for his team.
The problem that I found with these "young drivers" is that they have never challenged in a WDC. Max said from 2021 that he could not go another year how he did in 2021. I cannot imagine Norris and George doing what Max and Lewis did in 2021 or Lewis in 2016, 2008 and 2007. CL made way too many mistakes last year (so did Ferrari in general) but CL didn't help either. These drivers won't know how to deal with the situations until they are in them.
I think max now knows that he can do 21 again after 3 titles. He was desperate to win 21 since it was the last year of regs and he didnt know if he was gonna get a car capable in the future. I think now, even if merc brings a miracle and develops a good car, max will still run with it.
Hamilton also made too many mistakes last year. Spa, Austria, Zandvoort. Last year's Dutch GP Russell drove like a champion and took the initiative like a champion. Hamilton was passive and messed up the restart completely, begging for help from Russell to do somethin he couldn't do himself for more than a few yards, keeping Verstappen behind.
@@DenUitvreter he is still making mistakes this season. Ruined oscar's race recently. I think he is way passed his prime but his fans dont want to see that.
@@symckr 🤣clueless
@@markwilliams7221 whatever makes you happy mark
Would love to hear you two talk about the driver pairings for each team! Peter Windsor is a legend and the only one who really breaks down the driving styles so even us fans can understand it.
The problem with Merc is that Lewis is a World Champion, and George thinks he is. 😂
100% agree. I think that George is a solid driver, but his ambitions are bigger than his on track demonstrations and results.
On point
Russell's only goal and desire is to beat Lewis. Nothing is wrong to want to beat you team mate, but it shouldn't be to the detriment of the team winning races or loosing spots to their rivals.
I think that is just your delusion speaking. Your teammate is the first other driver you want to beat, true. But I see Russell pushing hard all year. Mostly just attempting to make up for the lost dominance.
@@FrancisFjordCupola You’re entitled to your opinion and so I’m I. I respect the fact that difference of opinions will always resonate when Lewis is one of the subjects in an F1 discussion.
@@FrancisFjordCupola
George has lost many points because he's too focused on beating Lewis
The last two races proved it,
@@FrancisFjordCupola nope I think it’s your delusion speaking.
Yes of course every driver wants to beat their team mate (racing 101 has said forever that the same car is the leveller to show who is the faster driver), but F1 is not a drivers series it was and is a constructors series and although an important component, drivers are employees of a team there to maximise points for their team in the World Constructors Championship.
@davidadams was totally correct in his original post. If you don’t believe me, here is the quote from George after the race in Japan where it’s quite obvious he was read the riot act by his management and told to get in line after trying to race Hamilton early on in the race who unlike George was trying to bring his tyres in slowly to make them last - source was Autosport but it’s all over the internet if you look.
*”For me, the goal is to secure P2 in the constructors’ [championship]. On my personal side, the drivers’ championship is totally out of the window. It’s been a complete disaster of a season, so many missed chances. Lewis [Hamilton] is in a really good position for P3. Standing here now, it’s all good.”*
He already wiped the floor with Lewis last year. George has nothing to prove.
Lewis is just the better driver and everybody else might as well be 2nd best just like Max
Fantastic interview. You two have great chemistry here, would love to see you both have another chat or two down the road.
Great to have PW giving is very well informed opinion on racing. It’s always a treat to look out for. No story for the story for clicks and attention by total nitwits who haven’t got a clue about technology, engineering and racing. But great knowledge and opinions very well explained. Very much appriciated man. And btw your contribution as well😊🙏🏽🙏
Mercedes needs to do something about Russell
Yes, they will have to let Hamilton go. He had a good run, but George's development is being affected by the needs of Lewis' inflated ego these lasts races. Besides, Merc is paying way more for the same level of perfomance with Lewis and that money could go to development.
What exactly? Tell him to behave and get back in his box? Come on, George should be left to do what he needs to do. Prove he can match/beat Lewis. Indeed, Mercedes have trusted him as successor to Lewis when he retires. They need to see what he's got in his armoury.
@@moonchild666 Yes exactly.. let George dig his own grave
He is not on the same level as LH as relative rookie
Any sane f1 fan can see who is the number 1 driver at Mercedes
@@michelmayhem right you are... except for one little thing, perhaps? I recall driver salaries and the salaries of several top engineers didn't figure into the budget cap. So dumping Lewis wouldn't alleviate the pressure on the budget.
Mercedes is back to fighting Max for the championship realistically in 2026. Who do you think their future hope is moving to 2026 and beyond, a then 41 year old or 28 year old?
two gems. wonderful ! Keep bringing these conversations.
I got this notification/recommendation on youtube because Im a huge Peter Windsor fan. Love everything he has done for F1…
When he talks F1 and the comparisons to the great times, in the sport’s past, the world listens. Please have more of Peter on your show, and we will tune in!
Great interview, very important topic, because this superstar lineup at Merc could go nuclear if they have a title fighting car!
Shades of a young Senna, arriving at Prost’s doorstep at McLaren? Shades of Lewis doing the same at Alonso’s doorstep in 2007?
We are going to find out in the coming 24 months✨🔥💫
Excellent chat. Peter is always worth listening to, and Cameron has great rapport with him. Thanks for your time lads.
Damn, keeping up with your podcasts is becoming a challenge on its own!
We gotta up the work ethic sir.
Purple sectors only! 😃
Where are the podcasts mate?
I’m subbed to this channel & PW; are they on another platform?
Great work by the way.
Subscribe to the channel and you miss any of cam going live
@@W0lf_91 cam live channel ok
Great interaction between the two of you (again)! I follow both of your posts apart from eachother. . But the combination of you works well. Keep up tjhe good work!
Peter is truly one of the best minds in F1. My perspective is, GR might have it in him to be a world champion. The problem is, Hamilton is near as makes no difference as good as you can be, in terms of percent of possible performance a driver gets out of a car over a race. George is trying to beat him and that’s by definition going to end in a lot of crashes and acrimony with the team
Yes because Lewis can't stand being defeated! So he will kick anyone of the track, like he did at Silverstone, because he as a Narcissist can't stand to be beaten!
@@51bikerboy The sign of a champion, what more evidence do you need!
Lewis will drive a donkey into the points he has proved it at Mclaren!
@@alimantado373 real great champions do not need to be as toxic as Hamilton.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaIs it Lewis that's toxic or is it those who claim to be his fans and the fans who don't like him for whatever reason, saying it's his arrogance, attitude etc - which has nothing to do with racing an F1 car. What drivers do off the grid is really none of our business, some fans have yet to understand this.
what if they touch kids?@@jamtalawah2231
peter is a true genuine f1 fan. he lives for the sport and has dedicated many years to it. he is a true sportsman and a real supporter of f1. his comments are very valuable and mostly true. his opinions shouldn't be taken lightly because of his knowledge and experience.
thank you for sharing this! A very interesting interview. The section where Peter discusses "the problem of F1 media" is absolutely thought provoking!!!
Fantastic interview!
wow, just the interview I was waiting for. Great job.
Thank you Pete. 🙏🏾
All credit due to Mr Windsor there 🍻
Great chat, loved every minute of it.❤
Great Job guys!
Great pod
love both of your channels
i couldnt agree with most points in this pod
Excellent listen. Thanks!
You need time stamps. If Merc had a championship winning car, then Lewis would dust George. George gets Lewis on some Saturdays because Lewis tends to set his car up for the races.
Heh. Lewis could not even get a proper set-up on the friday. He probably nicked Russell's set-up.
what are u waffling. Lewis always does good work overnight with his setup@@FrancisFjordCupola
Very solid and interesting comments from you both, Great episode!
Interesting talk about Lewis and Russel. Could say it exactly mirrors Lewis and Fernando at Mclaren. Only difference is id imagine in that case the conversation would of supported the younger driver, despite it costing the the team.......
Top Tier Content Cam! 👏🙌
Nice analysis on the Mercedes drivers. For Norris vs Piastri, Suzuka proved how good Norris has developed and the work that Piastri still needs to put in. I mean, Piastri had a VSC pitstop advantage and Norris was effectively blocked by Perez during the VSC. That gained Piastri maybe 15 seconds, still he finished 15 seconds behind Norris. I see the potential in Piastri, but I also see that in. Norris. And for now, Norris is well clear of Piastri.
Piastri since both have had the upgrades has been faster in qualifying 3-2 to Oscar and also Suzuka on race day is really hard very high degradation oscar will just gain experience from now on I think piastri will be quicker in qualifying
@@shakmarriott4820 after gaining the experience he could be faster than Norris. For sure, I see his potential. For now however, Norris is faster in the races. As far as qualifying concerned, still will be close imo
After 5 years he would want to be 🤣🤣🤣
Piastri performs twice as "mean" as Lando. I mean just as leclerc is more dovelike than Sainz so is Norris opposed to Piastri. There seems to be much more arrr in sainz and piastri than in the more hippy couple of leclerc/norris. Character is fuel too you see.
Thank you for asking my question 😁
The only thing I want to say with regard to the Sainz/Leclerc issue is that well, you don't just need speed to win a Formula 1 Championship. You also need personality, vision, strategic and tactical insight and a dog mentality. You can't just sit there and leave it all to the pit wall all the time, especially not if it's the Ferrari pit wall ffs.
I love Leclerc, he is the nicest boy on the grid and drives like the devil is chasing him on his day, but he needs to develop. Right now I see Sainz winning a championship more than I see Leclerc winning one and that shouldn't be the case.
lol - Sainz is nowhere near Leclerc class. What you are not understanding is that Sainz is fighting Leclerc because it is existential for him. Leclerc on the other hand could not care less, his superiority has been established. He knows Ferrari is not competitive so for him it's pretty much irrelevant. Leclerc races to win, not to be Sainz lol. That is why he has been taking extra risks. He can be strategic when it counts which we will see if and when he gets a truly competitive car.
@@windwaveswindwaves5329 Sainz has clicked with the car and the team, unless you haven't moved past the 2022 season then that's complete nonsense.
dude, wake up, what click ? I mean sainz the idiot who said "they are using my trick" of something used in F1 sine DRS was introduced ? omg@@a.a.7348
Excellent video Cameron, looking good Mr Windsor and as a merc fan I totally agree with what you said about Sir Lewis and George, you did call it from day one that Toto should not have signed George. 👍🏽💪💯
Just came across this podcast. Love it! Would it be possible to add timestamps for different conversations over the whole hour or two?
Thank you rcklss. I'ma try and get round to it tomorrow at some point. glad you enjoyed.
Interesting observation ive had about Oscar. Ive been a competive RC racer for 25 years on and off. Oscar was a young RC prodigy who won National titles in Austrialia as a 9/10 year old before ditching the transmitter for a go kart. The best of the best in RC are absolute masters of the short corner style of racing that Peter loves to go on about. It's something ive always struggled with cause I taught myself how to race doing RC cars and early sims like Grand Prix Legends then Iracing. I always tried to emulate the perfect old school driving school techniques like brake in straight line and use as much track as possibe to carry speed out of the corner. So in RC i can driver really nice looking lines with perfect braking points and keep it right on the tube in the corner but still be 0.5/lap slower than the best of the best who are just able to cut a few feet off the lap compared to my wider entries and exits. In RC it's all about using your steeing as little as possible cause the car have no grip when you have any wheel in the car so the way to go fast is make the track as short as possible getting it rotated super quick and being full throttle as much as possible and be super accurate with your apexes. So I think Oscar develop the short corner style at a super young age and carried that onto into karting and real cars! And his calm demeaner is also a huge advantage for RC racing where the lap times are 15-20 secs and your constantly under pressure and never have more than 2 sec or so straights to relax or blink and your nerves are going insane.
That actually describes Lewis Hamilton as well, having come from a similar RC racing background.
I’m not sure Russell will be an issue for Hamilton if they get their car right. Hamilton’s race pace is usually far superior so once the car is less temperamental to set up and Hamilton’s qualifying is back to what it was, I see Hamilton being too far up the road
George will burn the team to the ground before letting that happen.
George has really impressed me with his race pace. Even when Lewis outqualifies him like at Suzuka, George is right there in the race. This is a far cry from Bottas and even Rosberg, who appeared to be driving F2 spec cars in the races 😂
@@dereksbooks it depends on the race. Some races he’s been right there but there have still been a lot where he loses 10 seconds to Hamilton
meh, someone (a george fan probably) did a run down of george bad luck, fd up merc strategy calls (that also favored lewis) and a couple dnfs, AND george his own mistakes.
where lewis somehow has no dnfs, hes had contact with cars though but somehow survived.. no mechanicals and good strat. they took real good care of lewis at mercedes this year.. lets be honest.
anyway this paints the picture that the sheer consistency of finishing every race plays a big part in the perception of race pace..perhaps its true though or its confirmation bias..
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Your experience, analysis and the insights makes the (audience’s) post race reflections more interesting. Also, by you doing this, makes it acceptable (aka fostering a community) for those who are passionate about F1!
Peter really is that guy, isn't he.
I've got a lot of time.
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Mr W is the main man on the f1 scene when it comes to unbias analytical analysts. I love his layer back charm mixed with unrivalled f1 knowledge. add this to the fact he has many many relationships up and down the padock and a great understanding or advanced driving techniques and racing engineering dynamics and you have the smartest media personality in F1.
thank you Peter for all your hard work, it must be tough sitting in the sun by your villa in Spain or tone de zer 😅
GR was Toto's insurance policy. He was worried Lewis would retire, and he needed a quality driver in place. Unfortunately for him, Lewis is still the master and just as fiesty as when Rosberg was his teammate 🤔
What is not discussed enough is GR’s mental state. The guy was left to rot in a Williams for 3 seasons while Lewis was winning races and championships. George had a taste of the Merc at the time and thought he would come in and challenge for championships too from 2022. Yet, he comes in and has to drive a tractor. The mental damage this did to him is immense particularly knowing he could have joined Merc before 2022.
okay lets stop with the fantasies here. mental damage? from going to a backmarker williams to a mercedes that can at least get podiums on occasion?
I'm sure his wage goes some way to mitigate the 'mental damage'....could hire a shrink.
OR be a big boy and be part of a team
Merc ay. typical instagram dramahouse immediately resorting to clinical and institutionalized terms whenever some shit has hits the fan. 🤮 Team of exclusive martyr-diva's. wonder if they all are AA goers.
Great video Cameron. You did say Peter way too much though! More blessings and power your way!!
Right great interview the only point I got Jackie Stewart didnt sign with Chapman. Not because of any one being faster than him. It was because of the car was not safe good old jim clarke just knew how to drive it
A driver placed in a cigar surrounded by highly combustible fuel.
BUt Chapman was a pioneer. No matter what safety aspects , which didnt really exist back then.
@@alimantado373 but Jackie did
Pete and Cam hell yeah 😎😎
On Oscars low speed and the engineer.
It is almost the golden rule in racing that sometimes you have to go slow to go fast.
It was one of the first things i learned in race school and have heard many interviews from top drivers and riders.
Great questions for PW. I subscribed because of the quality of question.
Well after this talk, we learned that the issue is not so much George but rather a leadership issue at mercedes. Let's see how toto can clean up this mess he made. My gut feeling it's gonna get worse before it gets better at merc😢
I agree.. Billionaire’s don’t listen to Millionaires.
I appreciate PW trying to be objective. I feel like you too are trying to be less 100% team SLH and more pure F1 which I believe is a better formula for your videos. We as Lewis fans want desperately to see him back on top but until then you are giving credit where it’s deserved.
You never thought that after Lewis “ kindly “ conceded his defeat in 21 he would never win again a Grand Prix ?? now we are almost 40 Grand Prix later without a single win !!!!!!
@@Kassiusday You never know. Lewis May never win another F1 race. Then again, he may win a championship. I have given up on trying to prognosticate. I simply wish him to live a long satisfying life. In the end that’s what matters. I expect he will win more races; however, with the limited number of engineers having AN level experience with the downforce cars, nothing is guaranteed.
It's about damn time F1 media sites (You know who they are) get called out for shall we say less than accurate reporting. Yes, to some point teams are even guilty of this but they are far from the main problem. It's fan accounts and fan accounts trying to represent the actual teams that is spoiling the sport. Most fans simply want fair and balanced reporting on the sport and technical knowledge passed on to them. Kudos to James Vowles at Williams for doing it right. Cameron, you're still getting better mate. Maybe only 21% Mercedes bias left in your blood. ;)
@43.08, Peter you nailed it. The way to learn it all and maximize yr talent, is to know you can improve micro elements of yr drivng, or any skill, is to be humble and watch the masters of yr craft. Here in SA I know a highly talented lead guitarist who stands rapt in the front row of most concerts Dan Patlansky plays at. Dan is SA's top talent who was invited to record with, and be the front man for, Stevie Ray Vaughn band Double Trouble at the new Orleans blues festival washed out by the hurricane
Why did Mercedes think Lewis would just retire in a year or two, it never made sense.
@@Redlingstein did they have this discussion with Lewis I wonder? I understand that reasoning but can you picture Lewis winning a championship then just leaving,retiring? If I were toto I wouldn't believe that for a second. Quite a pickle they're in.
Angela, his best friend retired this year, i think it was obvious that he was gonna see one year of the new regs then retire
Lewis Should just Retire
Jaded n LOST his Passion
@@vincecarlo “lost his passion”. Did you watch races in Singapore and Japan?
Apart from totally dominating his team mate just like Verstappen and Alonso, he’s a 38 year old guy who has been at the top of F1 for 17 years, is currently 3rd in the 2023 WDC behind and the two Red Bull drivers (who clearly have the faster car over the season).
To say he’s lost his passion to compete is laughable.
if he'd won his 8th I think everyone expected him to retire - and I think justifiably. He did actually win his 8th unless it was for Massi's ''human error'' - so I think Toto's decision was fully justified.
This was the problem with "Russell's fast enough for a Merc seat". I can point to several times when the fastest car with two of the fastest drivers have left with no championships because they split all of the points when the car was the fastest on a given circuit. I can also point to even more when a clear no. 1 and no. 2 delivered championships the car didn't deserve.
Very well said
Good question about role of media
Outstanding
B-b-but...if Redbull's Singapore issues were simply down to incorrect set-up, how was it possible for them to have predicted months prior that Singapore would most likely be their most difficult track? How does that work?
Even if it was their most difficult track, they still were further off the pace than they should have been. If they had managed to optimize their setup, they should have at least gotten through to Q3, even if they were never expecting to get pole.
Right, they even won last year in Singapore. What gives?
Its all for the show, Rbr have all the records they want this year. So giving 1 race away wont hurt them, and people wont complain like in the Merc days. That its boring bla bla bla.
See Singapore as confirmation of what some suspected, RB’s suspension magic eliminates squat and dive allowing lower ride height … Singapore is a super bumpy track, forced RB to raise the ride height and killed downforce … wasn’t transmission; Bumpy tracks are RB’s weakness
@@micheltellier593bring back Nürburgring Nordschleife
Great talk brah.....
This was very good
Not sure how long I have been saying Lewis has lost .2 tenths but it's nice Peter said it. His explanation of the dynamics at Mercedes is spot on. Time and time again in F1 the 1A and 1B method of teammates has never worked as well as a 1 and 2 driver.
I don't think he's lost speed. Peter last year was saying lewis is just faster then George. He's now saying maybe Russell is faster... no.. lewis lost alot on mental side after having 2021 stolen. Also he said things will be different if the car was capable of winning races. My eye test not telling me Russell is faster. Lewis is still faster and takes care of his tires better. He's a old head realizing that with a slow car the only thing you can do is save tires til the end Andale the car be as fast as front near the end. Only way to a good result.
@@T-CainesZR1 I do. He said flat out over a single lap he's 1/2 tenths off George. This is what happens at 38. It's normal. We saw it at Mercedes during Michael's comebacks. AD21 or not he's lost a bit. Doesn't mean he can't win races. I will say as a comparison and you are not going to like this I think he should have found a way to win a race in the Mercedes by now. Yes, it's not a great car but it's still a works Mercedes and probably the third fastest car. I remind you Lewis crazies from '16-'20 Max found a way to grind out 10 wins in third place cars against Lewis in the all conquering Mercedes.
@@emerckx53 max won 1 race in 2016 and that was when hamilton and rosberg crashed each other out... sure verstappen technically beat them but so did every other driver that day...
in 2017/2018, there was clearly a title fight and mercedes was characteristically weak around tracks like monaco, singapore, hungary.
@@no1washerezz He sure did. At 17. What a terrible point. He also set the record for most passes in a race at 17.
@@emerckx53 a truly terrible point is to claim that verstappen has beaten mercedes when in reality they just crashed out.
Always a pleasure watching you interview PW Cam, just a ton of insight. My point of departure with PW is his constant dwelling on AD21. Mercedes brought lawyers to the race, they were planning on fighting before anything even happened. In the end, they didn't quit fighting for the good of the sport, or because "Mercedes is Blue Chip", they stopped because the lawyers told them that best case scenario was going to be the race would be voided and Verstappen would win on count-back anyway.
It's a bit of a "hitch in his giddy-up" in horse parlance, he brings it up nearly every video and it taints otherwise brilliant analysis.
You wear your beliefs on your sleave which is more honest IMHO and it makes your videos like "Why Max will never be the GOAT" so good. You don't use "color of authority" when you say ?Because this happened...that can never be.", it's much more honest, because you are up front with saying it comes from the POV of an intelligent fan. You're both brilliant and we all look forward to your next retrospective video Cameron. Love your narratives.
IMO, the dynamic between Lewis and George is toxic, George bring out the absolute worst in Lewis and he's not even trying, he's just being the same guy he always was, like Peter said. I might amend this novella.
Agree with your comments on PW often bringing up Abu Dhabi 2021 and that Mercedes only dropped further actions because they weighted their chances. It’s a shame because I enjoy his analysis (fp, qualifying, race, technical and driving style) videos. Just stop with 2021, that’s the past (otherwise there are a lot of other controversial decisions we could keep speaking of) and enjoy the present 😊
@@basdollevoet2824Nope, AD21 is the context for Hamilton and Mercedes' entire operation after the regulation reset.
It was also the biggest controversy in Formula 1 history because it literally decided the championship on the last lap of the last race.
@@taylorknight5702 Schumacher, Senna and a few others have won and lost championships in equally/more controversial manner. Crashgate is part of F1 lore you know. The difference between all of that and AD21 is that Max had nothing to do with it. Max just did his job and beat your guy...and the reason I said "your guy", is because I know he's "Your guy", because No one but Hamil-stans still bring up AD21, and as far as controversy goes it's not the day the world ended for anyone but Hamil-stans...."biggest controversy in the history of the planet."..since you've been watch DTS anyway.
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We need more drama at Merc i love it
Yepp, that's why the 2016 season was so much more enjoyable than the Hamilton/Bottas era. Bottas hardly ever challenged Lewis during those years.
My God that man can talk!
Peter give him his props it was a genius move Carlos he used guile pure guile
I think Peter just summed up the situation eloquently. I totally agree!
Doing Gods work.
42:36 what Peter said here is what I’ve been saying before Oscar came into his rookie season
i love hamilton
I really disagree with Peter that George is faster over a lap. Lewis is often faster, has a pole position, faster and more mature in the races, and I really think that George thinking as Peter thinks is a problem.
George is hell bent on beating Lewis and he just can’t maintain it, and even to the point of binning it trying to keep Lewis behind in Singapore.
I like Peter and most of his analysis of f1 I think he’s one of the best. That being said I don’t think he is giving Carlos enough credit
It seems obvious to me that Mercedes should have offered Valtteri a multi-year deal and not gone with Russell. Valtteri is a sure and safe hand to drive and is consistent. At times, he has the measure of Lewis, but usually Lewis will win. For some reason, they felt compelled to get Russell, and maybe it was to develop the "next Sir Lewis Hamilton" but who knows? Did Toto feel guilty to leave Russell to languish at Williams? I had a bad feeling about Russell joining Merecedes, but what do I know? I am just a Formula One fan.
Don't you think that he had signals that Lewis was going to retire? It would explain getting a new British driver in preparation. This would have been his last year and Toto would be on the lookout for a second driver.
Now though, Lewis changed his mind and he has a bit of managing to do, because he has two drivers with a 1st driver mentality.
I think the issue is Russell looked to Mercedes like a fast driver who could grow into a team leader.
Unfortunately as in many companies, some young talented people just don’t have what it takes to make that next step.
As fast as George is, after several years in F1 he’s still obsessed with beating his team mate at the expense of maximising points for his team. Unless he matures quickly, not only will he lose the support of his team principal to secure that lead driver role when Hamilton retires but I can’t see any other front running team taking him on.
As the USAF/NASA saying goes, quite simply he isn’t “the right stuff”.
Mark Hughes writes the best technical articles with proper reasoning and unbiasedness
Even more evidence to support this now
As a 10 yr old F1 fanatic with my first 4ft oval Scalextric kit, pocket money saved for months; and, being inspired by Richmal Crompton's 'Just William' series, specifically William the Outlaw, my personality and character were forged.
My point being, anyone who stepped out of his uncles(?) boot like a jack-in-a-box in the Pits and introduced himself to Jim Clark, is my kinda guy.
Peter is 100% correct. George was a problem since day one and I have said this since day one. Toto should have kept Bottas. He was a great driver and was there for the team while still retaining 2nd unlike George without a pre frontal cortex.
He is not ... Lewis was signing 2 years contracts and could of been gone this year. George was the solution to Lewis bailing out on Mercedes. Also Lewis is getting older. They would of gotten Lando this next year if not for George Russell. I don't remember any drivers winning a championship over 40, outside of Fangio.
Merc has to decide which driver to build the car around. Lewis and George have different driving styles and we seen last year that the car more suited George's style. Now this year we can see the car is better suited to Lewis' style. Every team has to deal with this. Toto kind of put himself in a sticky situation. Reminds me of Lewis and Nico ... neither giving an inch in their quest to be champion .... as it should be.
Building it around George makes the most sense. This is kinda what redbull did with Max when they weren’t on top.
the car was being developed by Lewis for the team in 2022.
The team builds the fastest car possible, and we see how the new regs suit some drivers better than others.
@rotnbazturd
Can’t say I agree last year or this years Mercedes was built around either driver. Both Lewis and George have repeatedly said the car is a total mystery each week never knowing how it will perform. The operating window has been very narrow and both drivers have struggled with driving an unpredictable car.
The fact it’s 2nd in the WCC shows it has pace obviously but it’s a testament to both drivers that they’ve got it to where it is.
I agree with you, if they can get the car to suit at least one driver in 2024 then that’s an improvement on where they are today.
Easy decision...it's George
Love the channel.
Is there a fake time?
George is much like Nando, good drivers not great drivers and ultimately insecure, hence looking in the rear view competing against their team mates. Literally George never has a hair out of place, says a lot about the image he wants to portrays - Gorgeous George.
Then again, when it comes to vanity and narcissism, Hamilton is indeed more than a few steps further along than Russell.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaVanity because of the colourful sometimes weird clothes he likes. Clothes you or I would probably never wear. By definition we are all basically narcissists, it's part of our human traits. But most of us are not in the spotlight so no one to notice our idiosyncrasies.
I know I am a Lando fan but you are way off the mark calling Lando just a good driver and shows your lack of appreciation of great driving. Whether that Mclaren was a dog or competitive Lando extracted every ounce of performance out of it race after race. So few mistakes and driving errors. In an era of domination by Max to be racking up the second places is class now he has a car he can truly compete with.
I think Oscar Piastri will be the successor of Max. The both are totally committed like Senna and Schumacher. In a race you have to be a bit of a ashole and Max and Oscar (could be) are such kind of guys. Lewis was, but will be overrun by the youngsters!🤗
Oscar is too slow to be compared to them though. His hype is way over his actual pace.
@@ihsanjayadi88 His race pace has been lacking a bit so far yep.
Yet another example of hype here. Piastri needs time. Peter is talking in a dream.
I'm a big fan of Peter, unfortunately I think he is wrong about what Carlos did. Carlos did not have the speed to stay away from George and Lewis. Had he not done that, they would both have passed Carlos easily. Peter doesn't seem to understand how drs works or even strategy weirdly enough. You can't just drive off, Carlos didn't have the tyres or the speed to do that, and the only reason Hamilton didn't win that race is because George is an idiot and Carlos pulled a very smart move. Had he tried to run off and left Lando behind, both Mercedes pass Lando in a lap and they both swarm Carlos and win the race.
It's those movie star looks Peter. Oh and the expansive knowledge and a sensible informed common-sense attitude.
It’s not that George is quicker in qualifying it’s that he stets his car up for qualifying whereas Lewis usually goes for a more balanced set up more geared towards the race and it’s pretty clear Lewis has a far superior race craft and knows how to look after his tyres hence come race day he more often comes out on top.
No, he's got the edge on tyre management but Russell has shown the superior racecraft.
This dude is the man
Merc is not going to build a better car than Red Bull next year. But they might build one as good as it. That’s when there is a serious problem. Russell will occasionally take points off Lewis more often than Perez will take points off Verstappen. And that just gifts the WDC to Verstappen. Strange decision to hire Russell.
at the 23ish mark you guys talked about the media, and PW mentioned he tries to be objective.
my take is, that's great, but i would still love it if any/all media types for F1 specifically laid out their own biases. Rather than the vague read between the line stuff we have now.
As an example, Matt & Tommy, they both say straight up "im a leclerc fan boy, im a RB fan boy" and honestly, that recontextualizes everything and makes their take mean more when they speak against "their team/driver" and
biases are almost impossible to get rid of, that's human nature and if you ever say "im not biased" then you may want to reevaluate everything because you're just blind to em.
If skyy straight up came out and said, "look some teams and drivers have a direct interest for our publication, british drivers will always be our focus for our brand and customers." Hell, that's fantastic, i can contextualize everything they say rather than sitting around wondering if their backhanded compliments are just that or a misunderstanding.
idk, it would create some tribalism issues sure but we already have that. it would just remove the "vague fog" they use as a liability escapegoat.
One of the things we fans can look forward to in 2024, if Mercedes are still not championship contending, is the Russell Hamilton battle. It will be 1-1 at the end of 2023, and each of the drivers will come out early eager to show who is who. There is no way this is not a win for all including Mercedes if the drivers don't crash. As for crashing also, so long as it doesn't happen too often, still good. All drivers run the risk of crashing with the nearest car. So, if Russell and Hamilton crash one or twice, it should be taken in the context of average number of crashes for a season for a driver. For instance, although Perez in 2023 has not crashed into Verstappen, still he has too many crashes with other cars on the grid. It is not enough to have only one crash with a teammate and rush to conclusions of how bad that partnership is. Vehicles touching on tarmac is not unusual in competitive racing. All this to say I completely disagree that having two fast drivers in a team is wrong. The excitement, anxiety, publicity, additional points, etc that strong pairing provides is far better than the dumbed down intra-team competition currently seen in Aston Martin and Red Bull
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Mercedes hires Peter as adviser alla niki lauda and Sir Peter Windsor SAVES THE DAY
What a brilliant idea.
Get onto Toto
We can see now that the Abu Dhabi decision delayed Hamilton's move to Ferrari. I have a feelling he would have left for Ferrari or considered retirement after that win...
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Can you put time stamps please so that we can skip to the parts we want 😁 too long
We want Dexter! Hi Peter, thx once more for never being a bore. I hope he's basking as comfortably as you. Be well
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But just in case your weren't aware this isn't his channel. This is Cameron F1 🙏🏾
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