What is ROGD (Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria)?

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024

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  • @SailaSobriquet
    @SailaSobriquet Před 3 měsíci +16

    Keep up the excellent work, Stella! It is SO important for parents, and potentially ROGD kids to have access to the information you provide, even if, on the Internet, it is buried in the overwhelming cacophony of disinformation and "activist" grooming propaganda.

  • @matt4887
    @matt4887 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Call it what you want, detransitioners talk about the peer pressure themselves over and over.

  • @lisadaluz1498
    @lisadaluz1498 Před 3 měsíci +10

    I’m one of those parents. Anxiety , ADHD, cerebral super smart, driven to get great grades, isolated at home during COVID year sophomore . Broke up with her best girlfriend. Nerdy for sure. I was blind sided by the his rapid onset in 2021. I even had bad cancer . No matter my daughter went head long into believing she all of a sudden was my second son, born in the wrong body. Her father celebrated her mental breakdown as being about serenity. I didn’t so I lost her.

    • @irenehayley2398
      @irenehayley2398 Před 2 měsíci +2

      💔I’m so sorry. As soon as I read Lisa Littmans study in 2018 it resonated with my sons descent into “trans”. As loving parents we have to hold on to truth for our kids. I hope one day your daughter recovers her sensibilities and finds self acceptance before too much harm is inflicted, it truly is a traumatic path for a parent to be on. Sending empathy & solidarity X

  • @leevan2332
    @leevan2332 Před 3 měsíci +9

    Sounds like an ideological FAD to me just like Cutting and Anorexia before

  • @bobblefish
    @bobblefish Před 3 měsíci +5

    I understand the concern - I do. I hear the genuine concern you have. The issue comes in when you consider that many times, it's not the group influencing the members but members being drawn to a group. I have ADHD and throughout school, I only ever became close friends with those who had ADHD. We were drawn to each other. The way we communicated was different from others and similar to one another. Some of us were already diagnosed, some were diagnosed 20 years later. They didn't catch ADHD from me - we barely interacted by that time in our lives.
    The same thing happens with LGBT+ kids. There's something that draws us to one another, even when we don't know we're even a part of that "category" of people. Some of us realize we're gay or trans even years after no longer associating with those people from school but still always end up drawn to the other LGBT people around us as we grow up. So when it's a bunch of people in the same social group, it's because that group came together each as an LGBT+ person.
    I don't know where you got your numbers, but about 15 years ago, the number was 1% of people were trans. As trans acceptance increased, people were less afraid to come out or simply learned a thing about themselves that they never understood. Trans acceptance has hit a wall recently, making people scared for their lives, but you know what? People are still trans. If it was something you were doing as a fad or to make life easier, why put yourself through the stress of not knowing what bathroom to use without fear of being assaulted by a transphobe? There's so much in the past few years that would make people not want to be trans. But they still are.
    I know this comment won't do anything to change anyone's minds. But I still feel it's important to point out that we just sort of congregate, we don't spawn out of a group we're already in.

    • @biancawilloughby9980
      @biancawilloughby9980 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I spent nearly sixty years fighting off who I am and all it did was lead me to violence, drug addiction, alcoholism and a deep self loathing. I thought I was sick because I was bisexual and trans. At school my dysphoria was one of social rather than physical as I looked like a girl anyway and was often bullied for looking very feminine so the born in the wrong body thing was not me. When someone finally said it was ok for me to come out and be open about my gender and sexuality the feelings of self hatred and misery finally subsided and I felt a huge sense of relief. Today I am so happy to be a sober and clean trans woman. I never thought I could ever be this happy. I know deep in my heart that if society had permitted me to socially transition when I was a child in 1973 I would have been so happy. Trans people exist we always have and always will. Of course I know I'm my body is not a female body but medically Im more female than I was before transitioning. I am living a life that is separate from those of cis people that's all. I can't speak for anyone else and everyone's experience is unique. Love to all.

  • @cestmoi4532
    @cestmoi4532 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Thank you so much for your work in this world, Stella. ❤

  • @joeewell4846
    @joeewell4846 Před 2 měsíci

    What about ROSS, "RAPID ONSET SALVATION SYNDROME" in which many people suddenly feel that they have sinned and must be "saved" from these imaginary sins.

  • @Leah-uv2uj
    @Leah-uv2uj Před 3 měsíci +17

    People need to know that Lisa Littman's study where she developed the idea of ROGD specifically chose only to interview parents who were on forums for parents who didn't understand where this trans thing was coming from, parents who were not affirming. Her study was inherently biased and holds no scientific value. ROGD has been soundly debunked.

    • @KL-zt6jx
      @KL-zt6jx Před 3 měsíci +6

      Exactly. That's just bad research. Not even a study

    • @roryteal5940
      @roryteal5940 Před 3 měsíci

      Ummm...look around. All those dumbass kids who bratted out till they got themselves hormones and cut up into hideous freaks are now walking around with regret and pain and their lives shortened and more miserable all for online likes and attention and dopamine hits now now NOW and when the later comes the horror of this zeitgeist kicks in.

    • @paulkazanvanfan1045
      @paulkazanvanfan1045 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Propaganda alert! Way to not listen to anything SoM said! Lol

    • @JessicaMarinaRushie
      @JessicaMarinaRushie Před 3 měsíci

      @@KL-zt6jx What a shocker a leftie who does not agree... Quit with your lame propaganda, it's pathetic.

    • @jelenimirijana1890
      @jelenimirijana1890 Před 3 měsíci

      Same thing that the whole gender theory has been debunked.

  • @philipoakley5498
    @philipoakley5498 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Has there been any comparison with historical social pressure effects, such as those for alternate faith and religious beliefs, along with schism in various churches, with similar groupthink effects?
    There have also been changes (in UK) because of the shift to comprehensive co-ed schooling (i.e. look at the 'issues' at that time as well).
    The shift to a globalised world increases the range of valid thought-groups, of which the gender issues are but one (see also the expansion in university degrees as the university cohort went from 10% to 50%; the 'mickey mouse degrees' jibe tends to match some of the 'woke' jibes of those whose old certainties are changing).

  • @JessicaMarinaRushie
    @JessicaMarinaRushie Před 3 měsíci +2

    I was born in 1980 and I am trans (Extremely happy and in a 30+ year loving relationship btw). There seems to be two kinds of people who are trans, "Old school" trans like me who worked it out at a VERY young age with no interference whatsoever because social media did not exist and then there are the "Social trans" who I think your talking about. The social trans are "in a way" brainwashed and they ruin their whole lives because of it. I strongly agree that these people need therapy first to rule out other problems and to re-educate against the brainwashing of social media... In fact we probably all need therapy, lets face it everyone has mental health problems these days.
    I do not do social media at all, I hate it all. The first thing parents need to do is ban their kids from all social media and get them outside. All people care about is an easy life, a quick fix... Take a pill and it's all over... Not that simple though is it?

  • @someonesomeone25
    @someonesomeone25 Před 3 měsíci +14

    Hasnt ROGD been largely discredited?

    • @KL-zt6jx
      @KL-zt6jx Před 3 měsíci +6

      It has, this about parents that are afraid of accepting their kids. Instead of helping them be safe and see if the kid really feels that way, they immediately go in the defensive.

    • @overtoke
      @overtoke Před 3 měsíci +1

      we have plastic in our gonads

    • @paulkazanvanfan1045
      @paulkazanvanfan1045 Před 3 měsíci +5

      No! Next question …

    • @someonesomeone25
      @someonesomeone25 Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@paulkazanvanfan1045 If no, why does Wikipedia say yes it has?

    • @mountbara
      @mountbara Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@someonesomeone25 because wikipedia as a source of accurate unbiased information is about as useful as going to your local bar and asking opinions nd using it as facts.

  • @adris432
    @adris432 Před 2 měsíci

    Dr. Littman's study's scientific research method was largely flawed, especially when it came to targeted sampling of respondents - the results of the study were rather clear even before the "research" due to carefully chosen sources where (and only where) Dr. Littman was willing to conduct the study. It is flawed to the point where the study is discreditable. It is dishonest not to present it as such.
    I come from a more conservative country when it comes to trans issues. (I intended to comment on one of your other videos - but perhaps I can get my point across here as well.) I have heard that one of your arguments is that trans people (and especially young trans people) transition and come out as a means of seeking approval/support/love etc. This argument falls apart the second you take it out of a liberal society. (And even in liberal countries, there is no guarantee of your even otherwise liberal family being accepting - I think you might underestimate the weight of coming out to one's family. It is nearly always a risk that can have life-changing consequences.)
    I came out to my parents as trans at 20 and 23, respectively. (I cognitively knew I was trans at 11 years old - years before we had internet at home, years before knowing anybody gay, let alone trans - and a couple of years before even knowing the word "transgender", I had called it comething different/descriptive before that. I had a wonderful, non - traumatic childhood filled with doing well at school, having plenty of hobbies and playing with my friends, as I suppose that it of importance to you.
    My mum told me I cannot possibly be trans, because there were "no signs" and it all came too suddenly. (She would have been a perfect respondent for the ROGD study, making me support the statistic of suddenly "trans identifying young females".) Mind you, this was 9 years after I had realized, 3 years after my first coming out to a friend, and after growing up (intentionally) looking like a boy, to the point of getting bullied for it at school and being mistaken for my (non-existent) brother by a passport lady when trying to make a new one at age 12. The confused, well-meaning lady literally told my mum she had to come with her daughter and not her son, in order to renew the passport. And I remember instances of my mum noticing all these things, and being scared by them.
    Yet, when I came out, she thought (or at least declared) it was very sudden (which, obviously, made denial on her part easier.)
    Another point, as far as "trans children used to be almost exclusively boys, now they're not anymore". If you have two children, a boy and a girl, displaying the exact same level of gender non-conformity, it is the boy that will much more likely raise a societal concern. A little tomboy is acceptable in society, an effeminate boy, much less so. Even linguistically, you cannot find a term as neutral as "tomboy" for a gender non-conforming, effeminate boy. It is always an insult. That says a lot in itself. A boy would be much more likely taken to see a specialist, after raising concern (and therefore possibly diagnosed).
    Around puberty, being a tomboy starts to be less acceptable, there is more pressure from society to behave a certain way. Additionally, physical puberty starts - making it the age when girls or possible trans boys start to feel more intense discomfort. Before puberty, all you need for people to view you a certain way, is a haircut/clothes - which, again, is much more acceptable on a tomboy, than a boy in a dress and ponytails.
    Another point from one of your videos, (LGB people are different than T people), you saying only lgb people can exist, since they can be "proven" by measuring physiological response to sexual stimuli - romantic attraction also exists and is accepted, even though you cannot measure it the same way as physical attraction. And if a phenomenom (for instance, trans people) is observed accross cultures and time, it surely signifies something, even if we do not know how to prove it (yet?) At my (more conservative) country's uni bio faculty, we were taught the current hypothesis is a cause by epigenetic factors during the second trimester of pregnancy, causing incongruency within the sexually dimorphic CNS of the foetus and other sex characteristics developing at different paces. Also, there are studies beggining to look into comparing sexual attraction (reaction) of gay trans men and gay cis men, versus gay and straight cis women. You can check out Dr. Jamie Raines to look into that.
    Final point - in one of your previous videos, you said young trans people "overthink" their way into deluding themselves that they are trans. And while I agree with the need for a psychological evaluation to search for any possible underlying issues that could make a person mistake being trangender before taking medical steps - I do not think "overthinking" yourself into being trans is common at all. It feels like it is the other way around - from personal experience, you don't even question the way you are at first (as a child, I would imagine myself as a man when thinking about the future - I did not think anything of it, it was my reality, and I thought everybody was doing that, the same way children imagine being a princess or an astronaut regardless of it not being realistic. I knew my body wouldn't go through male puberty, and yet, in my thoughts, I thought of myself as a boy, and of future as a man, thinking absolutely nothing about it was strange. I thought about it only later, when I was older, after realizing it was not a common experience. The thinking, aka "overthinking" came long after, not before, experiencing signs of possibly being trans.
    I think that is all I wanted to express for now. Even if it might not change your perspective in any (major) way, I still genuinely hope you do (did) give the text a read...

  • @zgobermn6895
    @zgobermn6895 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Keep shining light on this topic. Thank you!

  • @browndoc
    @browndoc Před 3 měsíci +1

    Again, these messages need to be listened to by everyone in the western world. Well done Stella. You need an ex-gee load more subscribers. 😇

  • @DrHarlequinn
    @DrHarlequinn Před 3 měsíci +6

    Littman's study hasn't just been "criticized." It was retracted by the journal that published it. Its methodology doesn't support its conclusions. It's bad science, and analogies to autism and anorexia are nonsensical. Autism is a neurological difference in the brain that manifests in infancy in a variety of ways, including challenges with language processing. Anorexia is a symptom of other mental health issues, like depression and anxiety. Gender, on the other hand, is a spectrum and is socially constructed, so it's less visible than refusing to eat or massive communication challenges. These are bad analogies.
    Rapid onset gender dysphoria doesn't exist. There hasn't been a single study that has validated Littman's results, or confirmed the existence of ROGD. It's completely made up. What is scientifically provable is that the body and brain receive hormones at different times, and it's possible for a body to receive the signals which aren't sent to the brain, resulting in gender dysphoria. There is no evidence that therapy is effective in "curing" gender dysphoria, just as there is no evidence of therapy "curing" homosexuality. This is a fantasy, not supported by science. Again, this is unlike anorexia, which has been shown to be effectively treated by therapy.
    Obviously, no *child* should have irreversible surgery, but almost no one is suggesting that minors should undergo surgery. That's a bad faith argument, and people who make it aren't serious thinkers. At the same time, some studies show that fewer than 2% of people who transition regret the decision, a number lower than every other major operation. If a teenager blew out their knee playing football and needed knee surgery, would you tell them not to get it because 20% people who get knee surgery regret it later? Would you tell them to live with the pain, because they might regret their decision later, for some reason?
    This whole argument is bad science, bad parenting, and just plain cruel. There's a reason that parents who don't support social transitioning for younger kids, or medical transitioning when they become adults, almost always lose contact with them: They are bad parents and bad people. They deserve to lose their children, because they are not treating them with love. According to one recent study (which actually had good methodology), 80% of transgender people will consider suicide and 43% will attempt it. That number drops by half when they have family support, and by 75% when they have family, social and school support.
    Our children deserve better from us. If they tell us they are hurting, our job is not to say "Have you tried just, *not* hurting?" Our job is to say "How can I help?" This doesn't mean performing surgery on a 12-year-old, and no serious person thinks it does, but saying "I support you socially transitioning" and "I'll love you no matter what your pronouns and name are" are free and easy to do. They harm no one, but acceptance saves lives, and if a parent doesn't care about that possibility, then they have no business being a parent. Let someone with love in their heart do the job you're clearly incapable of doing.

    • @saoirse2963
      @saoirse2963 Před 3 měsíci

      Littman's study was not retracted. Check again. And to call it bad science when all "trans science" is absolute rubbish... lmao
      I'm still waiting for the scientific study that proves or at least provides evidences that "gender identity" that is innate, immutable and not related to one's sex exists. Somehow all the studies that dealing with trans people just assume that a priori, they don't think this should be proven, somehow it is a given.

    • @susanlovesjava4961
      @susanlovesjava4961 Před 3 měsíci

      There's no more evidence for miscommunication of hormones between the brain and body as there is for the chemical imbalance theory of depression. You can't turn off conscious or unconscious awareness of one's body. Further the nerve connections between the brain and sex organs have not been damaged.

    • @slacktoryrecords4193
      @slacktoryrecords4193 Před 3 měsíci

      Your entire hypothesis here about what causes trans ideation is less evidence-based than Littman’s hypothesis. Teenagers influence each other every day. Social contagions are real, and teenage girls and young women are most susceptible to them. There are many such examples throughout history. Trans is just the latest. It’s a narrative to explain various distress that girls feel during a period in their lives. They aren’t “really” boys. Gender, if it’s not a synonym for sex, is just stereotypes. What you wrote about a 2% regret rate is ridiculous. NO medical intervention has a regret rate that low-why would this be any different? The reason you think it’s that low is because clinics aren’t doing long term follow-ups. This is all known by now, in the year 2024. It’s like you’re typing to us from 2018. This BS doesn’t fly anymore.

    • @michaelc9287
      @michaelc9287 Před měsícem

      This is BS wrapped in sanctimony refuted by the Cass review.

  • @281992pdr
    @281992pdr Před 3 měsíci +1

    This is straight to the point. Thank you. Clear as!

  • @irenalovesart4064
    @irenalovesart4064 Před 3 měsíci +3

    I love your work. I do wish we had a different term than come out. Implies they were in and hiding. It's another way that we've applied gay terms to trans. They don't come out they maybe turn or identify or decide or choose?

  • @lpeacelovefaith9566
    @lpeacelovefaith9566 Před 3 měsíci +2

    You’re speaking about my son!!! Describes him exactly

  • @santallum
    @santallum Před 3 měsíci

    Don't get ROGereD !

  • @JordansSpears
    @JordansSpears Před 3 měsíci +1

  • @stasacab
    @stasacab Před 2 měsíci

    I just clicked this because I wanted to know if I can identify a TERF by her looks. Yes, I could.

  • @Bookhermit
    @Bookhermit Před 3 měsíci +1

    Also known as mood swings....

  • @1968tonymouse
    @1968tonymouse Před 3 měsíci

    this was such bad "reaserch"

  • @762parabillim
    @762parabillim Před 3 měsíci

    This is a parody, surely.
    ??

  • @rupert5390
    @rupert5390 Před 3 měsíci

    What about ROGERED

  • @TALESOFTHESHITTY
    @TALESOFTHESHITTY Před 3 měsíci +1

    How come my comment has disappeared?

    • @joen4642
      @joen4642 Před 3 měsíci

      CZcams will do that.. try writing it with other words or just be creative with the spelling.

    • @katella
      @katella Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@joen4642but why?

    • @joen4642
      @joen4642 Před 3 měsíci

      @@katella I wonder about that too. Seems like they have set up the algoritme to catch words and phrases they think are hateful or phobic. Weird times. Hope they change their policy and let people communicate more freely.

    • @mountbara
      @mountbara Před 3 měsíci

      check for newest first and see if it's there