The real reason why V tried to stab Dante in Devil May Cry 5 - mini lore video
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2023
- I have so many thoughts on dmc and always wanted to talk about it - about other games as well - but I always held myself back because I didn't wanted to commentate through a video ( my voice is kinda weak and all that :3 )
but then I thought why not experiment with a text-based video to explain something. Turned out pretty okay and simple~ hope you liked it :3
quick side note: I didn't mention, but when V says "if only you never existed, then I..." when he raises the sword, he really has negative feelings about Dante - this explained in the Visions of V manga, where V at this point recalls Vergil's struggles towards Dante, feeling like he is weaker than him and he always just held him back and he is the one responsible for pushing him down on this path
- meaning Dante got sheltered in the closet by their mother when the demons attacked and he survived, while Vergil got assaulted and abandoned outside - this is also what later Vergil refers to, when he says "that day, if our positions were switched - would I have your life..."
At this moment he plays with the idea of finishing the job and take revenge. But eventually V gets himself together, because he knows they need Dante's help. - Hry
The point I was making with this video, is showing how V saying "I thought this might be the only way to wake you", is could be interpreted as a reference to the cutscene in dmc 3, when Vergil stabs Dante, and as a conscequence, his devil trigger awakens - and the reason why I'm explaining V is thinking like Vergil and have his memories, is to help people give a context of this observation. It might be obvious to you, but not for others. V is a difficult character to understand, and most players didn't read visions of V - so please be understanding
basically V used the power of PTSD to wake his pizza eating ass up
Why you gotta say it like that? 😭😭😭😂🤣😊💀
@@winnesota_ cuz i can
If you read the manga you can understand a lot of this subtext. V actually goes through a lot of PTSD moments and experiences Vergil's memories in real-time.
yeah it was a great read honestly
I've been thinking about this: its hard to tell if he literally becomes vergil's consciousness, or just having a confusion of memories and identity and thats why he refers to vergil in first person - but I think its possible that as he regains his memories he becomes vergil's full human version with the same consciousness - I mean so basically if he is the same person but in a different body - that would explain why he refers to vergil in complete first person
V has 100% of Vergil's memories and thoughts, he is literally Vergil, just without his power
So no, he doesn't have fragmented memories either or his "evil" part stayed with Urizen.
And he only chose the name V to avoid being discovered by Dante (He chose this name after looking at the gigantic V that he made in Vergil's poetry book)
This is made much clearer in the official DMC 5 Manga "Visions Of V"
although now to think about it, V is a bit more ruthless: he almost stabbed Dante right in the face instead of the chest - so ye he might have died from that instead of waking up, but hey he even survived being shot in the head before so who knows
That bullet had no demon energy so it wouldn’t have done shit.
This sword here though, yea it could have maybe killed him. Tbh I have no idea what even *can* one shot the demon boys since their one and only weakness so far in the series is getting tired.
@@wilburforce8046 have you considered red orbs-
@@The_Real_SmolOrTem wdym
@@wilburforce8046 true :D
@@wilburforce8046 Red Orbs. = Revive = Live = Death = Revive = - Red Orbs = Life = Kill = Red Orbs.
new theory:
dante has a fetish for being shishkebobbed
evidence:
he gets shishkebobbed so many times. hes so cool, hes so badass. surely he could just NOT get stabbed. Infact, refer to his interaction with V when V is gonna stab him. He says "i thought you were gonna shishkebob me" he wouldn't know that from the split second he woke up. Surely he must've been pretending to sleep and was very disappointed when V didn't stab him.
there is deep lore behind every word
so dante likes getting pierced with long objects? maybe he really is a gay cowboy
@@caniputmyballsinyojawhe did turn down Lucia's offer of marriage.
@@glizzynator5258 Marriage?? If this is from one of the books PLEASE tell me which one
@@caniputmyballsinyojaw DMC light novel 3. Happens after dmc4.
Interesting how v is the representation of vergils humanity and not a proper human
Just as urizen is the representation of Virgil’s desires for power and control
It’s not that they are the real things there more like echos of vergils personality and abilities
Like how v has sword skills
And urizen uses magic
And the familiars are all of v’s negative feelings personified
And when Vergil merged he was missing those pieces which makes him seem oddly mature compared to earlier games
They really thought hard on the plot
Except that Vergil has no reason to personify his negative feelings through Griffon, Shadow and Nightmare, it's not like they shared a bunk bed. If his "negative feelings" were to give form they should have Mundus' form, not his lackies. Not to mention Vergil's entire motivation has been retconned, and instead of the regret of not having the power to protect his mother despite being a demon, the son of the demon who repelled an army single-handedly, he now despises his mother for not trying to protect him and protecting his twin instead, something he's corrected of later, and all he has to say about it is "it doesn't matter" the character who says "motivation" as a catchphrase has none in this game. The qliphoth wasn't even his idea, he just eats the fruit and sits on top with nothing to do but watch humans die, waiting for someone to show up so he can fight. He seriously has no business being in the game written specifically for him. It's insulting
@@Countdownsmiles what does the first sentence even mean. he did not personify them consciously lol, but the lackies were most likely made specifically for V's character/gameplay, doesn't take a genius to understand it. the idea of using familiars was fresh and great. they fit V's style much more than some big bad mundus ghost.
where does it say he despises his mother? they just added to his insecurities more by making him feel not only helpless but betrayed/left alone. if anything, him thinking eva abandoned him when she was actually attacked by demons WHILE searching for him gives it more flair and tragedy, and explains his animosity towards dante more and why he never looked for him despite knowing he was alive (vision of v and dmc3 manga both confirm it). everything's still the same - feeling inferior when not being in control and using power to have that control have always been his thing because of the trauma, and it's still there. he came back from losing to dante at least twice despite having power, which is a huge deal to him, and now he is losing both control and power despite embracing his demonic nature that he considers more powerful. i think this + V's experience + urizen memories of dante telling the truth about their mother all are the things that forced him to question things later, before the final battle.
"it doesn't matter" can be interpreted in different ways tbh, but in general you have to probably consider that both v and urizen, while parts of vergil, are most likely exaggerated when separated from him. so "it doesn't matter" perfectly fits his pure demon form, no? can't imagine urizen suddenly having common sense and stopping everything just because it turns out vergil wasn't abandoned. his feelings are more complex than that i am sure.
the only unexplainable retconned thing about vergil is probably him literally exploding in dmc1 and then coming back somehow
@@noin4223 Conscious or not Griffon, Shadow and Nightmare have literally nothing to do with Vergil. waving it away because oh v needed gameplay is completely retarded. His gameplay could have been anything, his design could have been anything, he was a blank slate and they chose the form that made no sense. That shouldn't take a genius to understand, but apparently nobody at capcom was smart enough to see how stupid it is.
Technically V was right in sparda powering up dante, just in a different order. (For those that don't know SDT is unlocked when Dante stabs himself with rebelion and Sparda combines with it to form Devil sword dante and give dante SDT)
I'm pretty sure the Devil Sword Sparda and Rebellion contained Sparda's own power. If I'm not mistaken Sparda split his power three ways, each portion going into the Rebellion, Yamato and Force Edge respectively so in a way Dante completely absorbed two thirds of his father's power into himself
which also now that I think about it really puts into perspective the power of the Qliphoth fruit or Sparda, whatever way you wanna think about it
Dante having absorbed two thirds of Sparda's power and Vergil with the Qliphoth fruit + Yamato (remember, that's one third of Sparda's power) were equally matched
@@ch4rlie04 The math on that checks out. Sparda defeated a fruit-eating Mundus, so that equaling a third of however much of his power he put into those swords seems about right. Man, Sparda was scary....glad he's on our side.
@@riluna3695not really, Urizen has more power than Mundus who only ate Qlipooth fruit.
1. Urizen is already got power boost from Yamato and Nero Devil Bringer
2. He connected to Qlipooth which give him amount supply of energy
3. He using humans blood which also one of Demon power source to getting stronger, for a freakin month.
4. He indirectly called Sparda power ain't shit even when Dante use that, considering Dante is already surpasses Sparda by DMC 2 and Urizen stomp him, 3 times infact.
5. The same Dante who by vol 02 novel, kill the strongest version of Mundus in alternate universe, where he won and conquer both realms and become Void(yeah he literally become Void himself) who also nexus to both realms(Nexus is a power source, think about Mundus as generator to power up the electricity energy in entire country) and also killed Sparda.
6. Dante also received some power boost from Qlipooth when he was in coma state for a month, not only absorbed Sparda and Rebellion, he also got boost from that Tree.
Not saying Sparda is weak, but if you compare him to Urizen or Dante, he's clearly out of league.
I'm still trying to figure out where V got the money to hire Dante.
He didn't need money.
One mention of Vergil returning was more than enough to get Dante up from his chair. At least in the manga anyway.
in the manga he beats up bad guys on the street and steals their money :3
@@LadyAsmodeus oh I didn't know that lol I'll have to checkout the manga now.
@@rc59191 and their clothes for that matter.
That's where he got the outfit in the first place.
Visions of V. Great short manga. Really puts Vergil's character into perspective.
Street thugs try to mug him and he reverse mugs them. He reverse uno’d them. (In both the manga and novel.)
Good video that does explain a bit of V's character and why he acted the way he did, good work
glad you like it :3
chill bro it is a prank. the prank
Its cool how you noticed all these things , i would never known about these things , actually didn't know that V has that deep bond with vergil , Great job .
thanks :3
i love how you can see V's thoughts more thoroughly in Visions of V manga. Where it's DMC5 but at V's POV
i also think why Vergil separated his Demon and human self is a callback to Arkham.
Arkham claimed that Vergil is "incomplete" being as a Demon/Human Hybrid.
and there is another hint to V in Vergil. before the last fight with Nero, Vergil did the same thing with Yamato as V did with his cane.
Dantes Rebillion Unites man and devil.
Virgils Yamato separates man and devil.
Virgil would go on as V and witness the chaos of Urisan and he would feel responsible. Vergil would final be a better person as he fused together again and accept his Humanity he always have discarded even reflecting on the clyflox.
*"If I had your life and you had mine? Would things be different"*
Dante would grow to accept his demon half because of the rebellion. He would fuse with the Devil Sword Sparda.
It is almost as if Sparda gave them these swords to teach them how to find balance as a Man and a Devil.
I'm pretty sure getting stabbed all the way through is a lifestyle choice for Dante now
Bro,i became a DMC Fan this year and my Lord,the gameplay,the soundtracks, the boss fights,i fall in love with everything in this game, and in DMC 5,V was my favorite character, just my opinion, you know,and seeing this video to understand more this Human part of Vergil(That is V)was so amazing, what an awesome job,i did never understand why Vergil says "Thank you, Nero" when he awakens,but this explanation of Nero always helping and carrying V more closer to Vergil makes 100% of sense for this scene, Thank you so much again, you guys from the DMC community are Rank SSS!!!Keep going with the awesome videos💯💯💯 you have 1 more subscriber now:)
aaaaw thats so nice to hear :3 thank you and glad you like it
@@LadyAsmodeus You are a Detroit Become human fan too?This is awesome,I really love that game!Hey,can you say me your nickname on PS4,I really liked you, friend!
@@samuelaguila5410 aw :3 yeah I got inspired by Detroit again this year, and planned on making a lore video about it, but its not easy to make - and I'm not really on ps4, but my ID is Neonnicotine
@@LadyAsmodeus Lore videos are not easy friend,lot of work, but I believe your works with the videos Will be perfect, like this one!
@@LadyAsmodeus looks like we have another Bloodborne fan like me here :D
Why is this channel still not going viral? This is gold. The details you find are gold!
aw :3 its okay if its small, all that matters is plenty of dmc fans got reached
Yeah he have the Vergil's memories, It has been proved in Dmc Vision of V manga when they show a flashback of Vergil's childhood right before the Demons attack him and his family
If I had a nickel for every time Vergil was not Vergil, I'd have 2 nickels.
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
It's not a Devil May Cry game unless the protag gets stabbed once or many times. Usually in the chest.
And idiots online say DMC has no story. Even more idiotic is that they some many don’t care (which is part true for only a good portion of the fanbase)
But videos like this do come to make me appreciate DMC 5’s story a bit more, even if it’s better told in VoV
its better not to get emotional when you encounter people who dislike the games you love, and try to find a good community instead where you can discuss things :3 so far I think the dmc community is super amazing and dedicated, you can find so many good channels on youtube~
@@LadyAsmodeus oh no trust me i haven’t engaged with them even once i was just relaying what Ive seen in various comment sections, despite that i dont really like to engage with a fandom when consuming media anyways, never mind all that, this was a great video btw
There are two things that were split evenly between Urizen and V.
The fear of being weak and vulnerable,
And contempt for their foolish little brother.
This is really good
Great video!
glad you like it :3
Very well made video! Good job!
aw thank you :3
@@LadyAsmodeus I had been wondering as well why V had attacked Dante like that, and felt like the video was very informative about V. Loved it
When V talks about beating urizen, I thought he was talking about how he was too weak to stop himself as V. Then the never havi f been born part relates to Vergil as a whole
Nice video bro
thanks bro
wouldn't dante have just absorbed sparda + rebellion if he got stabbed and immediately go off and kill urizen before he gets the fruit?
hm, maybe he should've stabbed him after all
his body was weak, I don't think he would be able to sustain all that power, and even if he did I don't think he would be powerful enough to defeat Urizen.
I mean, isn't the whole point that the Rebellion unifies man and devil? how would it unify when they are separated?
Definitely recommend Visions of V.
One thing that confuses me is the idea that V is "regaining" Vergil's memories
I've read Visions of V and VOV makes it seem like he remembers everything from the start, when he plans to meet Dante he and Griffon talk about Dante in a way that clearly shows V sees Dante as his brother and is nervous to see him again after so long - V also appears to be tormented by Vergil's memories right from the start too, seeing visions of DMC3 Dante before he even goes to the Devil May Cry shop (which is also a cool detail that he sees DMC3 Dante since that would be the last time Vergil saw Dante, not counting when he was Nelo Angelo in DMC1)
Also the scene where V talks about "this town was attacked once before, in fact I was playing right here" in Visions of V Vergil isn't playing in that scene, he runs off to read his book after an argument with Dante and his mother and is attacked by demons
My point here being it might be possible that VOV takes canon priority and retcons the idea of V regaining Vergil's memories, if I'm not mistaken the DMC4 novel Deadly Fortune did this so it's not out of the question that VOV retcons a few things and takes canon priority over V's character
yeah seems like I pissed off many viewers by saying "V starts remembering" and then pointing out that he always remembered - I just tried quoting him when he said "I just remembered something...."
@@LadyAsmodeus nah you're not wrong about V slowly remembering Vergil's life, I think it's just a case of VOV retconning that idea
I took my VoV vol.4 and read it again, found that the scene V said he was playing right there is correspond. Little Vergil argued with Dante and his mother, saying he was going to read his book(but left his book at home, actually.), then he was sitting on that horse-shaped chair, and having some little complain on Dante and mommy.I suppose here is no any modifications to the game plot?
And, about the contradictions between V said "have just remembered something." in the game plot, and the fact in VoV said V had the whole memory at first. It could be that it had been a long long time, so even V had a complete memory of Vergil,he still couldn't recall it clearly until he came to the place in the memory.(Also, it's really a bad nightmare to him……too hard to think about everythings happend at that day.)
(Sorry for my English skills, it‘s just not good.)
All this is explained in "Visions of V"
Not like dante would die anyway, dude has got the fastest healing factor known to man
2:41 the second I lost my shit and turned into an excited little balloon loosing all of its air XD
Yo we are talking about dante here even knowing him for an hour would make u question if such stubornens is possible
taking aside the lore if your just bored
play 4:24 at 2 Times speed for that one meme of "DIES OF CRINGE"
1.06 they met at least month before that cutscene. your point still stands, but it's a pretty massive difference in time
1.17 he doesn't "start" remebering Vergil's memories, he had them all along. as we can from his dialogue in "visions of V". seriously, where are you getting this from? V is arguably not even a separate person
Yes, I read visions of V. And I just tried to point out that in that cutscene, he recalls his memories, like "I just remembered something." - And yes, I was also thinking about if he is Vergil himself, or a different person who has his memories. Its quite hard to imagine how he feels. - I like the idea of V being literally Vergil tho, just with a bit different personality
@@LadyAsmodeus "I like the idea of V being literally Vergil tho, just with a bit different personality"
that's how i think of it too
So Vergil isn't actually evil
not really~ he is just a confused and traumatized boy
@@LadyAsmodeushe just wants to be loved, he's literally me
@@ManFace1337 yeah vergil and v are very relatable characters~
@@ManFace1337he's clearly evil lol, Urizen is proof of that. Not to mention he did kill civilian's when raising Teme Ni Gru.
guys....get a tumblr. there's a big cool dmc community and I don't want to rain on your parade, but there are newer and much more convincing theories on this matter posted there, at least in my opinion
I was addicted to tumblr once, cause it was so good - but not using it since many years, and not planning on going back :3 I enjoy youtube more
i mean v know who he is from the start, just read the manga dude
yes I read it and I really liked it :)
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