Is the Trent Alexander-Arnold Experiment over?! - TFFI England vs Denmark Reaction!
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- The Football Fill-In is in Germany and this time, we are breaking down the England vs Denmark game. We are joined by Dave Watson and Tom Ochoa as we give you our reaction from the game...The big questions are…
Is the Trent Experiment over?
Why did Southgate mention Kalvin Phillips in the post match interview?
Why did Southgate not make any changes at Halftime?
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00:00 - Intro
00:50 - Southgate has to make BOLD decisions
02:12 - Is Jude Belingham tired?!
05:08 - Why are England sitting back
06:55 - What word Pep banned?!
11:00 - Do we have a mentality problem?
14:33 - Play Phil Foden in his position…
20:22 - What it was like inside the stadium…
21:10 - The David Luiz role?
22:25 - Is the Trent experiment over?
23:18 - Cole Palmer…
25:31 - That Kalvin Phillips comment from Southgate!
27:02 - Mark Goldbridge’s reaction!
32:15 - Is Declan Rice WORLD CLASS?
38:20 - No defensive worries…
43:00 - Our thoughts on the atmosphere in the stadium!
46:40 - The QUIZ!
54:45 - Outro - Sport
Watching the England players coming out of the dressing room at half time spoke volumes - all heads down, nobody talking and looked beaten already. Not one player (or coaching staff member) looked as if they wanted to be there for the second half....very bizarre to watch.
It was odd werent it looked like they were about to walk out to training. Not one of the biggest games of their lives. Probably have 2 or three of these tournaments if your lucky epitomised the performance didn't it. Probably after a lacklustre half time team talk by Southgate
@@Jimmybringsit I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it
And the reactions at full time, at least two of them just laid out on the deck. They looked like they'd lost a final
Social media has turned them u to a bunch of nervous wrecks. Fumbling the simplest of tasks. Get the young kids on who don't give a f**k. Wharton Mainoo Palmer
@@Jimmybringsit Agreed
These guys look proper hungover….😂
Facts
Nah that's just what watching Southgate football does to you.
One of the best attacking Frontlines and he refuses to attack 😂
Hes got no balls. We could have ripped Italy a new one with raw pace alone and won the euros.
We do attack, but our game plan is disjointed. So there are problems that need addressing. Let's see if Gareth can get it right for Slovenia.
Southgate Experience - 3 years in club management where he relegated Middlesbrough and got sacked.
2006 - Southgate takes charge of mid-table Middlesbrough. HIs first Management job.
2009 - Middlesbrough are relegated. Southgate is sacked and he takes 4 years off, out of football.
2013 - Southgate gets the U21 job. Finished bottom of group in U21 Euros.
2016 - Gets England Manager job.
Why is anyone surprised that he isn't any good? He has no experience of really managing a football club at a high level. Who thought he was suitable?
YOU SHOULD COMPLETE your timeline.
Exactly I’ve never understood why people are confused why we can’t win anything under him he has never been a good coach/manager it’s almost like we don’t want to win anything and if he stays after this tournament you can kiss goodbye to seeing England win anything for a long long time
Did he get England to fourth place in Russia in 2018 and the Euro Final in 2021 by accident? Yes, his time is very likely up. But unqualified as he is, he’s got a very good record as England manager.
@anthtan Check his record against the top 10 countries
@@goldie8501 ...is irrelevant.
One of the most talented players in world football and he's been made a scapegoat. All whilst a League 1 level manager steals a living. Sometimes think this country gets what it deserves. Thanks FA.
I wouldn't even want this manager at my League 1 club to be fair
Still has the best England tournament record of any manager in the last fifty years.
The best part of the game was that the camera cut too you lot in the crowd 🤣
What Britsih media NEVER understands is that other teams have superstars too.
Yes they always think they are the only ones who have top class players. 😂😂😂
I think that 9 of the Danish squad play in the Premier league but would not make the England squad.
Fair point, but they do sit back after scoring.
48:03 Jorginho's pen in the 2020 final was saved by Pickford??? The decisive pen ended up being from Bernardeschi. Jorginho and Saka missed after that.
YEP thought the exact same thing
How do they not fact check that?
@@fluteisland Because its not a big deal, its not fully scripted and people are allowed to get the order of penalty takers wrong from a game 4 years ago.
@@ellisridley9588 not scripted? he's literally reading the questions and answers off a piece of paper.... the point of any quiz it to answer correctly. Fact checking the answer to a question is the bare minimum
@@fluteislandhaha, good response
why is southgate still unsure on formation?! the whole point of friendlies is to tinker and work out what works and doesnt . Southgate just continued to play the same starting 11 when he could have tried a few different teams. He has plan A and nothing else and when it doesnt work he has no idea what to do.
You would think…. You’d in he would try the formation he wanted to play in the tournament in the friendlies too but he didn’t… useless
It's incredible how much criticism there is on how England play, yet not a single word is said against the man in charge of deciding exactly that!😂
GS is not the man to take us all the way, it's a shame it's taken 4 tournaments for the media to figure it out
i don't understand why the manager is not criticised... 8 years and no style of play. Talks nonsense in interviews. Come on... lets call a spade a spade.
GS is not good enough to manage these players.
They all matey matey with the manager that why these and the pundits wont criticise him.
Not a fan of southgate but there are plenty of managers that have failed at the england job.
You can’t win with a manager who mentality is try not to loose instead of let’s try to win
These players are not as good as you think Deschamps ain't exactly world class definitely not argentina coach English players are overrated
It's incredible Southgate left Grealish at home. You literally have a chance to play at least 4 Man City players that play in the same system in the national team and you DONT want to take that advantage. How do you think Spain won back to back tournaments
Good point
the falling back after scoring is lack of leadership / direction from the Captain / touchline. You remedy that managing a village team.... simple stuff.
Yes!! Captains have to tell coach that they can do more!! Not sure how that works in that squad though.
"I forgot about VAR last night"
Anthony Taylor entered the chat.
The linesman disallowed the goal and the VAR didn’t overturn it, it literally has nothing to do with Taylor
Anthony Taylor isn't the linesman
it was Stuart Atwell who has previous.
@@murrayyyy3799 They're a team and they exist in a culture of fear and intimidation. Nobody ever questions the calls after they are made, didn't even go to look at the monitor because they all back up each other's shit decisions. Suppose it's just English refs in general though, should not have them anywhere near the knockout stages.
@@murrayyyy3799didn't Taylor walk up to the linesman, have a chat, then the flag went up? (I might be misremembering)
The linesman put his flag up late because he probably couldn't tell if the player was in the way of the goalie, the ref didn't make a decision because he left it to the linesman, then they had a chat and decided to call it offside. Seemed a bit messy to me.
I think this was one of those "clear and obvious" cases and if the ref/linesman makes a decision the VAR would always go with on field decision, so it does fall on Taylor's shoulders IMO.
English fans were expecting to see England play like spain and Germany
Not like championship team with one trick give the ball to saka and walker a team without any style of play and a manager still experimenting after 8 years in charge
Spain and Portugal you mean. Germany should have lost to Switzerland.
They looked so nervous, mentally and physically tired, they're thinking too much because they don't have a clear plan when out on the pitch.
I think its 'too many plans' with Southgate waffling away in the Team Talks.
Oh you noticed it too? I thought Kane looked up for it (although the performance that followed was awful). But Jude, well, he didn't look pumped at all. He had a face like a slapped arse during the pre-match national anthems. Those players are definitely listening to the criticism on social media and most looked like they didn't want to be there.
It happens at every single tournament with England, the players can't cope with the pressure and end up heavy legged always.
No, this is the first tournament under Southgate where it’s happened.
The biggest problem with soutgate that ive noticed, is that hes more scared of losing then he is desperate to win. The team england have, they should be going out trying to outscore everyone, but southgate gets a goal and then shits himself ajd drops back every time. He doesnt even play defensively very well, pulling your players back and doing nothing else isnt a good defensive tactic. Also if thay is what he wants to do then why play kane and foden, 2 players who dont do well counter attacking. They suit a more high possession style where your getting 10+ shots a game. If we wanna sit back and counter then play watkins or tony upfront and gordon or bowen on the wing. Its like hes trying to do both without actually really doing either
Toney in a counterattacking team? Hes extremely slow too, Kane played on the counter for years under Jose and Conte too of course he can do it, just needs runners around him like Sterling Rashford Gordon
Feels like everyone in England can see that the team should be Rice and Bellingham in midfield, Foden at CAM and Gordon on the left, except the one person who matters.
England have played walking football for a decade or more- players are being told to slow it down static- backwards and sideways passing is what gareth is looking for
Austria were pressing and running in the 90th minute like they were 3-1 down, not 3-1 up the other day
This isn't on the players, they are doing what Southgate has told them to do. Our players look like they're in shackles, they just need to be let loose and be able to attack, it honestly looks like they're scared to try something different.
Watching England is a lot like watching German games before Nagelsmann.
You mean watching germany without kroos you people can't help overeating English average players 🙄 England is NOT germany and never will be
@@JuniorSmith-zw7pdthat’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying Germany were a mess before Nagelsmann for a while (we all watched the World Cup and that wasn’t solely down to Kroos) and now they have a competent manager who is getting the best out of the players he has.
@@kd5973 exactly. Thank you
@@JuniorSmith-zw7pdyou're very angry. I recall England knocked Germany out at the last Euros. It will probably happen again, after seeing how bad Germany were against Switzerland.
please end the experiment. Use players in their best position. period.
Feels like Southgate wants to appease the crying Liverpool fans, because if you take him as a right back, he will never play in this current model
@@JigsawLV It's actually wild not playing one of the best RBs in world football at RB.
@@JigsawLVliverpool fans think playing trent in midfield is hilarious, klopp refused to do it and theres a reason why. southgate is a clown for that
@GoGetMarked to be fair, he does. Walker is a better RB than trent. He's just scared to drop him so tries to shoehorn him into the squad in some way, even if its clearly not working.
@@MattMajcan we don't think its hilarious it makes us sad, trents whole thing is creating an overload in midfield by moving up from rb and pressing, and as soon as we win the ball he has runners, he's never played in a completely open midfield 3 with nothing to aim for on the left wing, with a striker who doesn't run in behind. also joe gomez is a lb he's played there all season, he isn't scared to use his left foot and he's probably quicker than trippier, overlaps loads more than him on that side.
I'm 54 years old. The first tournament i saw England play in was the 1980 European Championship held in Italy. The constant tropes i've heard trotted out for forty four years are:
1) They do it week in week out in the First Division/Premier League...
2) None of 'X's' players would get in our squad...
3) 'We take the lead and start dropping back onto the edge of our own box...'
Our media keep telling us how good our players are. Meanwhile the players from these other countries don't rate us at all. Its just not the professional thing to say so to the media. Eidur Gudjohnsen was asked after Iceland beat England 2-1 'What was the team talk before the game'. He said 'our manager said "you guys are coming up against one of the most overrated teams in World football. They've got nothing. You'll beat them.'
The problem with England's national team is when they don't play against Luxembourg, lichtenstein ,Andorra or Malta, they have problems.
We were privileged enough to watch the midfields of xavi/alonso/iniesta, and still learning nothing of the importance of a midfield. If we were German, we’d be begging the manager to bin off gundofan and Kroos in favour two more wingers or 10s.
its not the players its the Manager
@joso7228 it can be both. Yes his tactics were shit but he isn't to blame for players not being able to complete a simple pass. I doubt he's instructing the players to not show or make space for each other. That's on the players to do basic things.
What are you lads talking about! Trent’s played the most balls in behind, created the most chances against Denmark even though he got took off at 54mins. Yet cause he’s a natural rb. It’s lazy to pinpoint that and say that’s the problem. He came off and Gallagher came on and we actually looked more open cause he was running everywhere. No discipline. If you’re going to play Trent in midfield you need width and runners. Foden & kane both come deep, short and central. They want ball to feet. You take him off and then put Watkins on that is constantly looking to get in behind 🤦🏻♂️ At Liverpool our wingers offer width & constantly running in behind. Offering Trent to switch play or play it in behind. Similarly to what he did for the saka chance when he headed it into the side netting
Gallagher getting a yellow so quickly completed defeated the point of bringing him on. He was jumping out of challenges towards the end because he was so scared of picking up a 2nd yellow the wally.
@@JT-ut2we exactly, now I’m not saying Trent should be starting in midfield but I certainly wouldn’t be using him as a scapegoat. Trent has the ability to play there, he’s just a novice in that position when it comes to the elite level. I know he played there in the academy etc I think when he understands the positional sense to it and what’s required of him. He could definitely play there.
Fundamentally if we are playing somebody in a position they are unfamiliar with and they aren’t excelling… that is on the manager.
Solution - don’t play Trent as a midfielder because he’s not one. Spamming Hollywood balls like Beckham tried when he went in there . Not his fault . Playing Foden out of position. No Left Back .
Solution - don’t play Trent as a midfielder because he’s not one. Spamming Hollywood balls like Beckham tried when he went in there . Not his fault . Playing Foden out of position. No Left Back . No bravery we’re coming home
Get brave England 🏴
England were sh*te. Tired legs my arse. These are professional athletes.
It won't surprise me in the slightest if Southgate uses the same starting eleven against Slovenia.
can you imagine the scenes. Even for the Denmark game I rolled my eyes. Soutgate is far too passive.
Watch him make the most random change, like putting bowen in left back
Every pundit seems to be suggesting that things went downhill after England scored. I'm calling that. We were absolutely pants from the kick-off. The first 10 minutes was some of worst international football I've ever seen. And Denmark, we ain't talking 1970 Brazil here
Well, Ben has the most valid point in this discussion. We (yes, I’m Danish 😊) were simply playing better as a team. I don’t agree, that all of the English players are better than their Danish equivalents (at all!), but that also doesn’t matter when the opponent is a better team as a whole. 11 individuals are not going to beat a team that’s playing more unified.
England were simply playing rubbish as a team and you were not good enough to exploit that
@@joso7228 But then England is always playing rubbish? Because they’re never playing as a team.
Well said no I in team
Love this discussion! Just discovered the channel. Love how you guys try to get into the players heads and explain what they're thinking and what's going wrong. Very helpful, especially with the top-tier football experience.
I spent all night crunching the numbers with my team of analysts, and after we went through all the data gathered from various sources, we have discovered a surprising and unexpected truth: The problem is Southgate.
Southcat is a typical CB/manager - scared to lose 🙀
Under Southgate, Trent could play in a 5-3-2 but not a 4-2-3-1 in competitive fixtures, because Southgate’s ultra-cautious approach and poverty of ambition creates a turgid, uninspiring performance. The Trent experiment was set up to fail. You can’t play deep with no counter-pressing, no pace and energy, and expect a talented passer if the ball to flourish.
This is the best breakdown of the game I’ve seen. Really great video. A mix of football knowledge and fan experience. Keep it up lads!
Walker, Stones and Foden are used to attacking and smashing teams at City. Rice and Saka the same for Arsenal. Kane the same with Bayern. Bellingham the same for Dortmund and Real. Most players are playing for teams where they attack and score goals, not sit back and defend. Southgate are changing their nature and getting the worst out of them, not the best.
Correct but it’s also the better foreign players they are playing with . Kane does not really press though
why can't Saka play on the left no one seems to remember he has a left foot
step 1: take TAA off, the best player in the team at putting in balls behind the back line.
step 2: put on a load of players who will actually run behind the back line.
England have a massive mental obstacle in their way and it gets higher and higher, the more talent is in your squad. The fans and media feed the players lack of belief in themselves.
Pretty harsh calling Southgate a mental obstacle
I am paid to do a job at work. These England players did not do what they were being paid to do.
If your manager told you and your coworkers to do whatever you wanted you'd be paid for it too, you're just not gonna be very effective.
I do think they should play first, and think about the win (or loss) at the end of the game.
Too much concern for winning means they do t even play the *actual* game of football that the fans want to watch. Seems quite simple - yet so difficult 😞
Love watto's thoughts and analysis, seems like a good dude toboot
First time to channel. Excellent. Love it.
All this talk about the best team to play, embarrassment of riches. Have we forgotten its a squad game now more than ever. Specifically in international games you have options to start one way for tactical reasons and depending on the flow of the game you have options to swap out players to refresh legs and/or switch up tactics.
It just keeps coming back to Southgate doesn’t it... no real tactics
Trent isn't the issue, just an easy excuse. The stats show that in both games he created the most chances and delivered the most passes through the lines. The issue is no movement. Kane needs to go and Watkins in wit Trent so he has someone to pass up the field to. Don't understand why there is a focus on changing the team to accommodate Foden because it appears he can only play in one position. He played there in the warm up games and didn't deliver
so much commentary has centred on Trent's inclusion, despite the fact he's been subbed off in both games, with no notable improvement after the substitution. If Trent was the issue, then the 40 odd minutes in the second half against Denmark would have been plenty of time to rectify the situation. Why talk about one player when clearly the problems are all over the pitch. it's baffling that so many quality players seem to lose their composure on the international stage. Is Southgate to blame? I don't know, I just know that focussing on Trent is a red herring.
Clueless. This is why the eye test is important and not to just plainly look at stats. He is one of many problems but him in particular had a knock on effect. 3 'chances' weren't clear cut chances on goal either, you cant just read off the stat sheet and announce this like it justifies his selection there, its not a good reflection at all. It is disingenous of the quality of said 'chances'. It's not Trents fault lets be clear. It's SG playing him there in the first place and he is so uncomfortable there, he doesn't know where to be and how to effectively play there on both sides of the ball, it showed, and it has a knock on effect. To try get a player in just because he can knock a good long ball here and there, is so absurd af the cost of a balnce in the middle, lack of defensive protection as a pairing from CM, and giving up the ability to control the middle of the park going forward. All things that dont show up on the stat sheet and all things that was obvious in watching. Again' those 3 'chances' didn't create decent goal scoring opportunities, but they go down as a tick in the box of what qualifies as one in that category. Anyone leading with this stat as a defense of his selection there isn't looking at the game and how bad of a decision it was him being there. The best time for him to be effective in that role SG wanted was when the front 3 were changed and had better willing runners in behind, but he was taken off! Still, it isnt worth sacrificing everything else that came with him playing there. And just to reiterate, thats not Trents fault, its dire management on Southgates part
@@_SIRenity_ fine, but why no change after he's subbed off then?
@rogerwhite4073 I did say he's one of many problems in the side. The majority lays at SGs door, whether it be mental, tactical, and selection. Having an experiment when in a tournament is mental, and unfair to put that pressure on Trent. And you cant bring on a Gallagher for added energy in the middle, hes not bringing any more control in there which is part of what we needed, but was less of a liabiliy and didnt need babysitting by those around him, which were more isolated beforehand and made them nervous.
Not the first and only problem we have by far like I said, but I'd like to say Rice is great reading defensivley and getting a foot in - THAT IS IT. He lacks everything else to be a 6. Sure, looks great at a West Ham when the team sits back, but not in a ball dominating side. Even Arteta realised that and has him in a more progressed role with Jorghino next to him as insurance - but the latter can dictate play and os good on the ball. And with Rice as an 8, if we were to play him there as has now been suggested, particularly at international level, there's plenty better than him, especially on other talented teams in the middle of the park. He isn't quick enough mentally, isnt quick enough on the ball, isn't cute enough on the ball, and isn't technically gifted. He's slowly being found out and quite overrated. Oh and Saka has another level he needs to get to - 1 assists for England in the actual tournaments is effing dire (not counting qualifiers we near always breeze through). Can he do A job there? Yes o course, but it won't be World beating, that's for sure. He's outclassed in every department as a 6 when comparing other top talented teams 6's. Even some who are coming off their bench. In short, that central pairing stunk the place out and caused a complete disconnect from back to front. Adding Trent to that mix is an effing joke
No players running in for Trent to pas too he can and has won everything as a Rb make the runs he will put it on a dime highest assists stats consistently for Liverpool had cover wen he attached and has a hell of a shot on him scape goat not used in the build up games stick runners on by pass the oppositions players one pass faster progression
Whether you think the Danes are ordinary players or not, they look much better drilled (like every other team at the tournament so far). England are the only team I've seen play where they just look disconnected, like they're not sure what to do. Like Man United have at times this season, like they've not played together before.
It’s Southgate’s tactics. Almost every player in the England squad play high press, attacking football. Southgate parks the bus. That’s why we always conceded after a goal.
i definitely think it’s Southgate’s coaching that makes the players sit back deeper and defends after scoring a goal,, but it honestly could also be the players,, i could definitely see them getting a goal up, and then thinking about how bad the media would be if they now lost, and it get in their heads a bit, and they either consciously or subconsciously sit deeper as a result. yeah these guys are champions and incredibly cool under pressure for their clubs,,, but that england media and fans and PRESSURE is too much for seemingly any human being for the last bunch of decades! its the culture that has to change! (and Southgate haha)
Did Rodri look tired? Ridiculous. Half the danish team play in England and one has a pacemaker so can’t really use it as an excuse. Humidity? Like the Danish are used to tropical climates at home.
Pacemakers all round
ben foster would have fit right in with this spineless england squad btw 😂
Any time Foden cut inside, the entire left channel was completely open. Trippier didn't fill in the gap, and Bellingham hasn't been coached to drift out there to support. If you're gonna play the CIty/Liverpool/Arsenal way, you need to have full backs and midfielders that understand to plug the gaps.
“Once you start believing your tired, you’ll feel tired” nothing but FACTS
I watched how Spain team passed the ball accurate and with confidence vs how England couldn’t put 3 passes together!
Southgate needs to put the best players in their best positions, where they play week in week out for their clubs. If that means some lose out then so be it, no one player is more important than the team
Unless it’s Argentina
Love the euro themed into guys. Good job.
I absolutely love Watto on these, not just because he's a Barnsley legend but he adds so much entertainment in the quiz, buzzes off of getting an answer correct.
Southgate's Kalvin Phillips comment is a sackable offense.
the players don’t have trust in their manager, it’s easy to see! they aren’t bought into his tactics, and also see that 1 they don’t work and 2 the manager himself isn’t even sure of them!
that’s where all of the perceived “tiredness” and low heads come from. it’s like they are prime thoroughbred race horses, and their jockey is making them just trot around a pen! or pull carts! simply not what they were made to do, or could do, or have the potential to do! they’re not being used correctly and aren’t being pushed!
i think it’s Pickford himself that maybe doesn’t like playing it out from the back in that way, he’s not as good with his feet as Ederson or Raya, and i could be wrong but maybe Everton don’t play that way as much and play more long balls from goal kicks and such, so maybe it was him that got more nervous with it and that spread to the defenders which then lead to the opposition feeling that and pressing harder. cuz as a defender, if you’ve got your goalie in your ear yelling at you and he’s a bit nervous and on edge it just puts you more on edge and also puts in the back of your mind that you have one less option to pass to, and that you all aren’t in it as a team,, that if you or another defender mess up with a pass that your keeper isn’t gonna back you cuz that’s the style your team and living and dying by, but instead is gonna get mad and yell and blame you,,, could be wrong, but stones is great playing out from the back, not sure about how comfortable pickford is with both himself doing it and the defenders in front of him doing it
According to wikipedia, it was 8 teams that was in the euros in 92.
Sweden
Denmark
France
England
CIS (It was formed based on the USSR national team. Pretty much Russia)
Scotland
Germany
Netherlands
Played Trent to find runners with his passing. Eventually puts runners on and takes Trent off? Southgate out now!
Spot on son u couldn't make it up
Used to train at Barnsley with Dave Watson as a Goalkeeper,
This is England history since I watch football
Another option would be to move to 433 with a holding midfielder and two 8s.
Wharton could do the holding and playmaker part if you want rice and bellingham to play as the 8s (obviously giving bellingham more licence to go forward).
Would mean not playing a 10 I.e. drop foden. But you'd have a much more balanced team
Best intro ever: “…. It is the morning after the night before”
That is money well spent on media training 😂
Great show as always.
Watto for the win 💪🎉
Not much to say about it - we score, Gareth sets the team to defend it out after 1-0 up.
He has no intention on attacking further then that. Especially at tournament level.
He has done it for so many matches now even our friendly against Iceland he doesn’t know how to change that idea. The guy is below basic. Should be sacked (years ago) its on the FA this is.
Yes your absolutely right. It goes even further back than that even the final against italy we lost we did it too.
Been doing this B's since middlesborough
Pickford
Walker, Stones (can push up into the midfield, Rice drops back), Guehi, Trippier
DM -Rice (can drop into defence, Stones moves forward)
CM/CAM - Foden and Bellingham (one drops back when the other goes forward)
Wingers - Saka and Gordon (Bowen and Palmer worthy options)
Striker - Kane
May work?
Welshman here - but hoping the best for England…. these players should just ignore what Southgate is asking them to do and go with their instinct. Palmer and Watkins need to play. And as a Liverpool fan I want to see Trent on the bench and not part of this diabolical show.
The lack of attacking support from the fullbacks goes massively under the radar.
Walker and trippier offer absolutely nothing going forward, yet you’ve got the all time premier league assisting defender in trent, getting played out of position. Get him in right back and have a go attacking teams!!!
Yep it’s been like this since 2021 the reason England actually lost to France in the World Cup 2022 is the fullbacks not providing enough because the midfielders couldn’t find and space to create Bellingham only is not good enough 2-1 and he decided to stick with walker because walker is overrated by the media were Trent gets slated every minute
Still waiting for the interviews from the other fullbacks who are bang average
@@salemalsubaie9515 walker should only be used tactically against dangerous players like mbappe. Why Southgate loses his bottle against poor opposition and is scared to play trent right back is embarrassing. Liverpool have won every trophy in world football with trent as a right back 🤦♂️
@@aidanmackin4183 the thing is Kyle walker got distroyed by every winger in the premier league this season no one uttered a word about it
I think the players looked tired and leggy due to the mental weight of not doing well which then translates into the physical. Kane said after the game "they didn't know when to press, or who shd be leading that press..." 😮 isn't that covered in the team tactics review of the opponent before they then go into training to practice their offensively and defensive drills....
It seems not...
there is fatigue,, exacabated by a slow drain of confidence,,, build that confidence and the spring will return,,, you get that by performing well and momentum building
the other issue is a few have been form erratic this season,, and are not on it yet but it can
return quickly,,,
It's obvious that's Southgate tactics why is ben saying its the players mentality that'd a team full of attacking minded players they wouldn't want to sit back
The problem of England is that they always wanted to get the ball forward, they wanted to do it fast and efficiently.
They don’t go sideways or backwards first in order to create the perfect situation to go forward. They think that doing more is inefficient, so they wanted to get forward as quick as possible.
As a result, they never get the ball forward in a perfect situation. Because they never create such situations.
If the opponent’s defence is being dragged wide open, then making a pass would become easy, even a half decent pass would turn into a great chance.
If the opponent defence is still in good shape, it’s difficult to make a pass, and even if you make a great pass, it won’t turn into a half decent chance.
England always get the ball forward against a defence that is still in good shape. They never think of going sideways and backwards to breakdown the defence first.
If they can’t score goals, they would think the problem is because they lack urgency. So they rush the attack even more. They can’t be more incorrect. The build up of the 09-12 Barcelona and 17-20 ManCity were very slow and methodical.
Well again... thats the Manager' fault
@@joso7228 good comments, we play too slow and predictable, when the other team has good defensive shape, you need some magic, by skill or movement. To create, you cant just play predictable passes and expect to get through.
BUZZING! I got that 1992 euro question right, get me on mastermind!
One point that has been under mention with how much quality england has in the squad i cant wrap my head around it why southgate played the same underwhelming First XI it doesn’t make sense.. at this moment im think england should just play whoever that hasn’t played for the last group stage game..
We have players on the bench that walk into France’s starting XI. Palmer, Watkins, soon to be Trent all start for France. Watkins also starts for Germany, and Spain… and Holland and Italy, it’s mental. Before we talked about Golden generations but other teams had Zidane or Ronaldinho etc… that time has gone. La liga and Epl player of the year are both English. Bundesliga top scorer is English. English players dominated the leaderboard for UCL goal contributions. This is the first time you can say with no bias we have the best selection of individual talent in world football bar none… and we look like the 15th best side at best. France start Rabiot… you think they wouldn’t rip your hand off for Jude Bellingham to be Julien Baguette or Declan Rice to be Dimitri Ricé.
I think England's problem can be summed up by Ben saying "every single one of our players is better than the Denmark players" when that clearly isn't the case. Denmark's defense was/is as good as if not better than England's, and the CMs were just as good too. They're talking about the Danish team like its a squad full of second division players and not mostly EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga etc.
The problem is Gareth Southgate.
We've all had bosses that we dont believe in. Subordinates reach a point where they listen, but dont truly believe or buy into the plan set out by the manager.
That leads to what we saw against Denmark. Apathy and disorganisation.
I do have to say that we had some individual consistent blunders. Foden wasted so many attacks with pot luck shots and we had so many misplaced passes. The Danish really rocked this what should be steady and experienced team. The worst compliment i can say is it was like watching Man United. Not a soul had confidence or knew what to do.
Trent only looks comfortable when he drifts out to the right back position and stands next to Walker for a bit
he doesn't play in a midfield 3, he plays as a rb who moves up to overload the midfield, always has done, unless stones is gona push up its not going to work, so play a back 4 with a lb at lb (gomez), gordon on the lw, stones n walker in the middle, trent rb moving up to overload, gomez stones and walker can hold it down at the back against the majority if we're dominating midfield.
Trent doesn't play like a right back,he plays like a right wing back
That pitch wasn't great. Both teams suffered a few twisted ankles because of that pitch which was very energy sapping. That said, it was mainly an energy sapping game because on the day both sides were quite evenly matched. Denmark had the better strategy. Whatever you say about England's quality they were tested as a team and found lacking. The stand out player for me was Kyle Walker. He was the only player that seemed to want to win although he did drop off later on; possibly due to twisting that ankle.
Respect to the Trent point. The handling of him as a substantial handling seemed poor.
legend!
Plays Trent who keep wanting to play balls in behind with Kane who can’t run and Foden who’s not being given full freedom to run forward and then play Gallagher who will run for days and is decent but doesn’t have that same ball as Trent whilst we have Watkins, eze and Bowen on who all want to run onto balls. Someone explain.
I just want to say there is no way Ben couldn't see some of those answers, I literally saw about 5 lol I think you need to sit a little further back Jamie. On that note great analysis on the football lads, and hopefully England can step it up and stop being so defensive as soon as we score, I don't expect it for 90 minutes, but 70-80 minutes of defence is not gonna cut it at this tournament. Keep up the great work!
Saw u boys on the TV
Their pace of play is so slow, and that’s down to the manager.
If we see a true winger on the left side and Foden at #10 in the next game, then maybe there is a glimmer of hope. I’m not sure where that leaves Bellingham.
I think we should have Benson and Hedges in midfield. I’ve always said if you’re good enough you’re old enough…
The Danes are tough to beat, but England looked lackluster. Why are you dropping so deep after 1-0???
Rice can’t pass forward and he’s meant to be a box to box midfielder😂
The England squad gives great logical options. The defence is the best that can be mustered. Trent could replace Kyle against low block less pacey teams. Luke Shaw would play if fit. The midfield would jump a level with left footed. 100% passing accuracy on debut. Adam Wharton at 6 with Jude & Declan as the two 8's. Up front the fastest most pressing trio at the training camp. After all 5 substitutes means a whole attack can be changed at any time.
Ben! I saw you on TV at the England Denmark game
Saw watto too
8 teams at Euro 1992, 2 x groups of 4. England and Scotland both qualified for the tournament in Sweden. Denmark won it, they didn’t qualify for the tournament. Yugoslavia had to withdraw as war broke out in their country.
You can't rely on one goal and then sit back, you need to push for that second goal and then kill off the game and be more cautious.
Physiologically the quality of the pitch might have had them worried about an injury and the humidity had something to do with the level of our play they did look tired at the end of the game. From Justin in West Midlands, England 🏴.
To run aimlessly is stupid.
There is nothing wrong with sitting back... if you can do it well. When you see half the team dropping back as if they'are gonna play through the opposition, and then you see the GK kicks it long to no one, that tell you that half the team is given one instruction and the other half is given a different one, aka: They have no idea what they're doing.
Like him or not that was Jack's specialty, holding and moving the ball while dragging players over the way Saka does.
You an sit back deep and set up counters OR pass around deep to control the game. But Southgate's England are clueless.
After I heard that ridiculous comment from Southgate about Philips, I thought f**k it! The players should just go rogue and do whatever the hell they want. We can’t expect these world class players to this clown seriously 🤡
I love these guys
STOP SAYING THE OPPOSITION ARE ORDINARY WHEN THEY COMPLETELY OUTPLAY YOU!!
Well individually its true. Those individuals play for teams of a much lesser quality. Hojberg was outstanding that game and plays for Spurs and is wanted out by all Spurs fans because he’s normally useless. 😂
@@TYLOTYLOTYLO he’s not useless because he plays for a top 5 team in the supposed best league in the world. Ericksen is a better footballer than anyone in englands midfield including Bellingham. Slovakia’s midfield will outplay englands next week just watch…
@@TYLOTYLOTYLO imaging getting outplayed by so-called useless(players) against paper tiger team like an England at the moment.
@@TheWallethead first, Eriksen isn't better than Belligham, and second. Slovakia can't beat us because they're not in our group, it's Slovenia, maybe check your facts before mouthing off
@@KhaosOP check your comprehension skills, I did mean Slovakia and that was an error but I said their midfield will outplay englands not that they’d win the match. Also, there is a possibility England can play Slovakia on Sunday.
Okay from the get go. We’ve always had superstars in England we invented the game in mediaeval times secondly yes it is true in recent years the rest of the world has fallen below a bar not saying that any countries bad at playing football but really you’re going to start on the Trent situation Harry Kane is dropping back too deep which traps are teaming. Trent is a tactician with crosses and long balls and even a power shot exactly same thing that you all used to love about David Beckham and no I don’t think Trent is the best of everything. There are areas to everyone’s games that they can approve upon. He’s one of the most decorated players on your team, still quite young Jude Benham is the only one on that team that wants him there and people banging on about Foden but let’s be honest he hasn’t scored a goal that isn’t scrappy or a bang from outside the box and I’m not putting him down he is amazing, but he is like Griezmann for France where he gets into the box and he would rather pass it of course he wants to score and likes scoring but natural born she is do not think about it they just do it might be that’s wrong but that’s what all the natural born she would say then you’ve got Walker and Gallagher they do not pass forward at all in a convincing way or they will chip in when the box is completely overloaded Would be oppositions players again not knocking them what they do is extremely important. Maybe it’s system we try to play and also international football is different at each different club in England you have ethos. and England hasn’t gotten ethos anymore we’re all there because it’s painful for not winning for so long we say for club and country all things like for everyone at home they know exactly what we’re thinking. We all want to win and as soon as as a slipper, we all look at it but actually be honest with what the problem is it’s not Trent I’ve just pointed free other issues we have we’ve trying to be as nice and open as possible I could think of another two without thinking you need to create an ethos, Southgate has done really well to pull a dressing room together but he is as boring as watching paint dry he is so safe Walker said he hasn’t told us to get back. We’re trying to manage the game sometimes you have to that would’ve had to mean that they are outworking us and that they have more pace on us which we know is wrong but also if you’re playing an opponent that doesn’t necessarily have big players they’re going to work their socks off to give you the hardest game ever as they may get spotted but also other countries have more love for their country not in the sense that England isn’t patriotic but it’s not in the same way the other countries are they are patriotic people in England but England itself is not patriotic but who knows? Maybe I’ve been talking about this for far too long and no one is going to read this and if you did thanks you can tell me what you think if I’m crazy or if my madness sounds a little bit more sound.
Genuinely how do you forget that Jorginho’s penalty was saved by Pickford?
there is no plan, the players are talking to each other and making it up as they go along