Euphoria S02E06 | kat and ethan break up scene
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Not her gaslighting him and then accusing him of gaslighting her. The AUDACITY.
lol the life
Ikr I've always loved kat but hated her in this moment
That’s women lmbo
@@Add183 just say ass, nerd
Degenerocity said the same thing THE AUDACITY OF THAT MAN
the way Ethan handled the situation and walked away right after. what a king.
Very attractive how he handled it
Love how he didn't take any of her bullshit lmao
🤦🏾♂️😪
KING
KING
Her view of Ethan as pathetic and weak is actually flipped here because it really shows that he's in fact mentally stronger and mature than her. Great for him
ah good point
Yea she's the only weak and pathetic one for acting like that
Yup!
Yeah
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.s
I don’t blame Kat for not being in love with Ethan, *you can’t force love* . My problem with her is the fact that she keeps playing him like a violin. Like he’s a great guy, the least you could do is be honest with him.
Exactly, she should have cut the bullshit instead of stringing him along. And the gaslighting makes it all worse.
Fax smh
I'm sure he would have understood if she had just said things aren't working out.
That’s what I’m saying she had every right to break up with him but she did so in the most fucked up way possible and that’s why I don’t like her anymore
I agree. I feel like if she had any respect for him as a person, she owed him at least honesty.
I love the fact that they didn’t make Ethan look soft in this moment, he stood up for himself, it’s insulting that Kat really thought he was so naive and stupid that he will accept what she did. I’m Really proud of Ethan
@@auroraavalos6173 wth is wrong with you
@@auroraavalos6173 get a life
@@auroraavalos6173 Sir……..this is a Wendys
@@auroraavalos6173 why would i say ethan’s character if ethan IS the character😟
@@Toon4mi bruh I'm still confused with that comment
The fact that he caught all of her manipulations right then and there amd threw them right back in her face at lightning speed has me 💀💀
FRRR. I would have been speechless or didn't know what to say 😭 maybe fall into her manipulations too😭😭😭
Still she deflects. Horrendous horrendous person, how are women like this?
@@sbraypaynt Anyone can be like this. I think you missed the point of the whole video and comment.
@@sbraypaynt cuz its women.
@@sbraypaynt let's talk about Nate... why are men like that
“You think id lie about having a terminal brain disorder? Thats sick” GIRL-
Lmao
Well you wouldn't be the first one
😂
call her mom Ethan so you can "help", then enjoy hell broke loose.
The fact that she laughed when he accused her of lying instead of getting sad or upset is his confirmation that she’s lying about it
Ethan, the only respectful male in relationships in this show, a king stands 👑
And he got shitted on for it, what does that tell you
and mckay 🥺🥺
@@wbk4822 nah McKay took his anger out on Cassie
Fez the drug dealer was surprisingly respectful
@@leonardmulrooney3806 oh my bad I ment as in relationship type of respectful, like knowing boundaries and being honest but in a respectful unlike the other relationships in this show.
I hope next season they give Ethan is own backstory. He deserves better and I want to see more of his character outside of Kat
there's a next season?!
@@nuhbudi oooo yay i thought this was the end lol
Honestly I doubt he will even be in the next season
@@Bella.Ofelia Sadly it does look like it
It's a shame I really wanted him to get his own episode he's one of the only characters in this show who isn't toxic
@@Bella.Ofelia Yeah, it seems like Euphoria hates exes. And what happened to McKay? He got a featured episode in season 1 but he hasn't been in the last 5 episodes.
Ethan’s reaction was exactly how I was reacting to Kat gaslighting him. The way he showed “not gonna take your bullshit” was such a king move. Gotta love him.
Praise brother
thiss, we love ethan
that's exactly how Kat want it to be... it might seem like Ethan wasn't buying her shit but still Kat could still manipulate him to say 'we should break up' first... that's exactly what Kat wanted
@@rick.8589 nah, kat lied to ethan so that the relationship ended with her being the victim and all of it being ethans fault. But ethan turned it back on her and showed her that she was the manipulative bitch who couldn't respect him enough to be honest with him.
That's the same thing I've been saying.
Love how Ethan didn’t let her walk over him, but her whole brain disorder story really made me laugh. What panic does with people 😂
Tbf she probably does have a disorder lol
What Kat did was disgusting, the amount of girls that would kill for a boyfriend like Ethan is crazy. Kat doesn't want to be with him because he bores her. The least she could do is just be up front and honest, he has been up front about how he feels about her and how much he cares about her. The least she could can do is show some respect for the relationship and for him and just tell him how she feels. Rather than trying to gas light him into an argument so she can have a reason to break up with him due to an argument she was trying to start.
I know I literally hate her lmao. She doesn’t deserve him one bit
Balderdash. You all think /act like Kat. You'd do the same thing as she did.
@@crazercrazer Shut up man. Stop projecting.
Exactly! He's been nothing but open and honest about his feelings, which is way more than a lot of guys do these days, and Kat took it for granted. I hope Ethan finds someone who genuinely deserves him
@@christhefiend What?
He honestly went off on her and I’m living for it
I love how so many fans can see past the idea Kat was in the right with this one. Euphoria isn’t my favorite show, but man the fans are some of the most perceptive/emotionally intelligent out there. Never change 😭
@@kmk1225 except for the Cassie stans
@@drfifteenmd7561 Yeah...there will always be a few spoiled apples, I guess :(
Cassie needs to learn how to love herself. She keeps looking for love elsewhere which will never be enough for her, ever.
She needed it. He wasn't putting up with her BS
God I want them to evolve Ethan’s character after this. Have him be DONE with Kat and let him be his own character.
i’m pretty sure he auditioned for lexis play oklahoma ! so he’ll definitely be in future episodes :)
edit: i love it when i’m right
Well Kat is being written off the show so...
@@azalago how do you know?
@@eka_nin It's pretty obvious based on the reported arguments she's had with the series director, and the way her character has been moved to the background on the show.
This aged well
the writers didn't do kat dirty. this IS her. in season 1 she gaslit the principle into thinking it wasn't her on the sex tape, and she treated ethan like shit bcs she thought he wasn't good enough. she's a manipulative character, and has been since the beginning
I don’t understand why nobody else is seeing that, like hello this isn’t anything new for her character
I never liked her
@@kanya9846 because she's a female and she's fat so automatically we're supposed to be routing for her. Her and Cassie are just extensions of Maddy. Cassie wishes she was as confident as Maddy and Kat wishes she looked like Maddy.
To be fair the principle had it coming
It hurts
As soon as she said “brain disorder” I was like, “ooohh this is not gonna go well.” 😂
I paused and just sat there like "...huh?"
Literally me! I was just like: "Um?"
paused and just went “……nnnooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuh…” bring on the cringe 😬😬😬
i thought it was funny LMFAO
someone's never lied before, that's your go to ?
He handled that with so much dignity and respect and I can’t stand when women try to reverse gaslight shame Kat
Wasn't nothing reverse abou it, she was gaslight.
@@toofar2real He didin't fell for it, he was smart and knew exactly what was going on, he has a brain unlike Kat.
@@akaahri Kat has a brain, but she's not the 1 for someone like Ethan
I’m gonna shame kat all I want
Kat could’ve handled that so much better poor Ethan
No she couldn't have because she's a shitty selfish bitch. And that's how shitty people handle problems they try to blame others instead of saying their the problem.
She doesn't deserve him
@@newolympiangod8134 her character was completely changed after season 1
@@FatalFramer13 Not really she was a fat slutty shitty person back in season 1 and she still is in season 2. Shitty people rarely change.
@@newolympiangod8134 Ik such good representation lol 😒
Not only did Ethan totally handled this situation great. He nailed the play. Ethan seems like a great dude tbh tho kat just never got that side of him
She said he was great guy but just wasn't attracted to him
@@zet7670 because she doesn't know what a healthy relationship looks like.
@@blakesilvermark1 Point was she did get that side of him, but other parts were lacking for her
@@blakesilvermark1 or she just wasn’t attracted to him
@@Thewatchful_I no she is attracted to him, bc she wrote on her pro contra list that he's cute but she can't develop real feelings bc she doesn't even love herself and lives in her fanfiction fantasy world with unreachable standards that reality will never live up to
“I didn’t either” what a fucking savage. The context says everything.
Can't stand people who gaslight and hurt others while victimizing themselves by accusing the other of gaslighting. Bc it shows they're completely aware of what gaslighting is and that they're doing it, they're just too self absorbed and unsympathetic to others that they don't care. Done with Kat after this tbh
Same, I live with 2 people like this.
Kat is such a disgusting character. This scene broke my heart.
Right
@Amandy Pants after writing so much smut and hard-core fan fiction she's elevated her expectations to fantastic levels. What's in reality is never as good as our imagination, and Kat lives in her imagination. she hates the fact that there's an objectively perfect man right in front of her but he doesn't live up to what she imagined, so she tries to get HIM to break up with her. But he checked that shit.
plz this is not who she is, this scene was her pure immaturity, she wasn't capable of saying what she's really feeling and she will definitely learn from this, also I don't think Ethan took this too seriously like he was definitely very disappointed of Kat and he realized he deserved better.
@@burton7767 she literally ignored this man before they got together bc she was mad about him having a conversation with a girl
@@burton7767 It's a character, she is literally nothing BUT what the show makes her. And those are actions, it was a delibarate choice from her to act like that. It's very much her.
Ethan deserves better 💔 He's literally the Guy every girl Dreams about, he was there for her, loved her, RESPECTED her ! This shows that not only girls deal with jerks, some girls Can be Real assholes 😡
EXACTLY ! I really cant stand that most movies and shows portray girls as always good even when they are the villains and men are just bad . I got bullied for years by a group of girls ,they used to beat me up and berate me and i just find it annoying that they dont show it in the mainstream. The fact is that most of those girls were actually kind of like Kat so i relate very much to Ethan
@@jacob2971 prolly a guy wrote dis comment
@@ramialamis3449 so that makes it less truth? Grow the fck up asshole
@@ramialamis3449 did you just belittle his pain just because he's a man? double standards much?
Ikr, I never liked how kat treated ethan, she never even tried to have a conversation
she definitely did not deserve him at this moment and I’m glad the way they wrote this scene with him being patient but recognizing his worth and walking away (like the fact that she’s laughing and throwing all the shit she’s doing as his fault is so awful)
Yeah, she broke with him in the possibly worst way. But I think, she is laughing because of stress. You can notice she laughs when she is stressed - for example talk with Ethan's parents
100%. He was endlessly patient, trying to at least get her to say how she felt which is exactly how a HEALTHY version of this discussion should go. Nothing can be fixed without communication. But Kat didn't want to fix it-- she wanted out, period, but was too cowardly to tell him
I mean that's what happens when you raise yourself on fanfiction and romantic movies, your expectations raise through the roof and you become kinda self absorbed. I've seen people go down the same path as Kat and it's really sad when they realize how much wrong they did, even though they were unaware of it being wrong in the first place. We're all a little bit narcissistic, and people who were bullied tend to search for comfort in ideals and fantasies, I'm not excusing Kat by any means, but she's not more wrong than any of the other main characters. They're all written as teenagers, they all make dumb decisions and they're all annoying, it's best to use their flaws as a mirror to identify flaws in ourselves rather than waste our time hating on imaginary people
This should be pin up as top comment 👏🏼👏🏼
Great point
You're very wise
@Ashley L she doesn't actually have any brain disorder, it's just an excuse to break up with Ethan. she didn't wanna say it because she doesn't wanna be perceived as the "bad guy".
@Ashley L i've also never watched the show, but I've heard so much about it, seen so many clips, read so many thinkpieces that I know it better than I know myself.
My guess is that it's not something added into the scrip to be looked into, I guess the writers assumed everyone would know that it was a lie and some sort of acidic joke. Her disorder could be depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia, an eating disorder, really any and everything, but that's the point: it doesn't matter, at least not to that specific scene. She's weaponizing her struggles in order to divert the blame, in order to make her boyfriend unable to question her logic or criticize her. If they put Kat though therapy sure, she would probably get a diagnosis, but honestly if these characters looked after themselves with therapy and common sense, there wouldn't be Euphoria. This isn't a feel good comedy and it's not supposed to be happy, the show deals with momentary, intense, fleeting pleasure, not actual happiness, that's why it's named Euphoria (and not Happy).
My theory is that the script is made to sort of a looking mirror for young people: the characters exist for us to relate to, their flaws are our flaws. I know a LOT of young people who use their mental health issues as excuses to treat others poorly, to excuse abusive behaviour, dismissiveness, lies, I can say that because I used to behave like this and I'm also at fault (even though I spend a considerable amount of time working on that issue). Kat is a representation of the online persona, specifically the fem one. Think of a fandom person on twitter: strongly opinionated, quick to judge, apparently confident and unique in their own way, but also fetichizes celebrities in order to explore their sexuality, is a little bit narcissistic and probably insecure. They either ignore those bad traits, excuse them by diverting attention to others ("oh but THOSE people over there do much worse things, you can't criticize me") or are not even aware of them. Ofc I'm not generalizing, I KNOW it's not everyone who behaves like this, but if Kat it an identifiable character and archetype, that means there's a lot of people like her. She's not inherently bad, she tries to be a good person just like everyone else is trying to, but she has flaws specific to her. It's a harsh truth and nobody wants to admit to any of it, because it hits too close home: either we behave like that or we know people who behave like that. This type of analysis is only possible if we distance ourselves from our feelings and look at the show from a neutral standpoint, nothing in the show is made to be characterized as bad or good, it's all morally dubious and nuanced just like in real life
LMAO “THATS YOUR EXPERIENCE” KAT HONEY😭
‘BYE!’ proceeds to look ashamed like girl don’t even play the victim
I hope Ethan finds someone better for him. He's a genuinely good guy and Kat wasnt really into the relationship.
Ethan is literally my type in character and looks. I hate hate for doing this my heart actually hurts for him
I sadly fell into the same hole. My teenage years were spent reading fanfics and stories that portrayed loved interest in such high standards that it made it almost impossible for me to separate reality and fiction. It's really hard having to set them into a more grounded reality, and most of the time I can't. I can emphasize with Kat's, but still. What she tried to pull with poor Ethan was disgusting, the poor guy was giving his all to the relationship and Kat let him go like that. Like girl, finding a guy is hard enough, but someone as sweet and attentive as Ethan that only showed her love, Kat really fumbled the bag here.
So true. Someone as genuinely kind, understanding, and devoted as Ethan doesn't come along every day
@@Indomitable_Alykat agree and I hope she realizes it and realizes she fucked up but like it’s too late to make up for it: but like it’s not too late to apologize for it but like it’s too late to get back together
I read fanfics and daydream about sweet nerdy considerate guys like Ethan all of the time. My main celebrity crush is Bill Hader. It's just that in the real world, none of them are attracted to me. Now this is making me wonder if Ethan himself is an unrealistic character.
He handled this much much better than I would have been able to. I probably would have started yelling.
Ethan handled it like a king. Kat was so extra lmfaooo
The fact that she has the audacity to look ashamed after like girl u ain’t it smh
This scene is simply a master class on not tolerating manipulation, without losing control, without being disrespectful. This man is Courageously honest, vulnerable and has a faith in himself that doesn't need any Bravado. This is the way adults should handle this situation. State your point of view, clearly, honestly, respectfully and don't be intimidated or drawn into emotional conflict. The walking away after he knows its done is HUGE.
Bro the contrast between how goofy and comical Kat sounds and how serious and normal Ethan sounds is so stark. It’s literally so awkward but so realistic in terms of like all those buzzwords from the internet in real convos
I really like Ethan and i think it speaks alot to his character that he just wanted honesty and didn't stoop to insulting her or throwing her own insecurities in her face after she insults him and gaslight him.
Part of me thinks she'll regret this decision, or at least ending it on such bad terms bcos there goes the only guy who took her seriously and respected her+ treated her like a person.
I think she's trying to mirror Maddie's bad-b behaviour in this scene a bit w her unbothered attitude and it's not working.
Like she lies to him then calls him Ethan an incel when she was literally a femcel before him. Like Kat who was trying to date Kat before Ethan? No one. Esp after the video that I'm sure tons of boys still suspect was her.
This is sad to me.
I think she will regret this esp if she sees Ethan w another girl who is skinnier than she is or more conventionally attractive bcos even tho she might not be in love w him she still has a bunch of self esteem issues surrounding her body image and weight.
^^^^
Calling Kat a "femcel" is kinda unfair. She is only a teenager.
@@EbonyPenmarks
I wouldn’t.
You would call a teenage male an incel too. “Women likes alphas” “I’m such a nice guy”. Etc etc
@@Aaron-kp6kp wrong. I would designate the word incel to adults 🤷🏻♀️
@@EbonyPenmarks I think she just called her a femcel cause Kat called him an incel, I wouldn't say it's like their personal feelings about Kat, it probably is just the best way to describe her using her own language/terminology
Fuck Kat really got ony my nerves in this scene
Ever since she was a wannabe goth she’s been unbearable
"You didn't live up to my expectations because I did expect you to at least be honest." Ouch 💀
Yeah this was so embarrassing to watch, she could’ve just fessed up and been like I’m sorry I didn’t know how to say it or whatever but she just kept going with the lie even though he was so good about it and mature. And his face throughout the whole thing, he was sad and mad and just over it. I felt so bad for him. He didn’t deserve any of her bullshit from the beginning.
I'm glad they made her into this victim turned narcissist. She got a false sense of self esteem off becoming an underage camgirl/ sexworker. If they didn't give her character some sort of fall out of that id be concerned. Its still a minor doing sex work and was disguised as woman empowerment in season 1. Now her head is overinflated by having her only worth be based off her sexuality and she's becoming a crummy shallow person.
That's what I said too. That story line was grimey af.
and people be acting like Sam is sabotaging her or smth bec of an alleged fight between the actress. If anything, her character arc is going to be something we should look forward to bec it means that she'll be developing and grow. That phase in season 1 for " female empowerment" and being a cliche character is not really it and Im glad Sam is really going for a different direction.
My only complaint is how sloppy her gaslighting is tbh
@@ibizamarquina793 what direction? We're getting scraps with two episodes left???
@@solierix Exactly they cut off most of her scenes, she's not gonna get much growth in these last two episodes
Kat was the one trying gaslight him..
She fr talking about some brain terminal I’m crying 😭 Ethan deserves better
it was super obvious lol
@@fyre4354 From a third perspective, sure, but we aren't as immune to gaslighting when someone tries it on us.
Yessss
@@inessa5923 It’s hard to even call this manipulation and gaslighting due to what a poor attempt at gaslighting this was. I think she’s been so used to just being able to walk all over Ethan that she didn’t care anymore and just assumed that Ethan would take anything she said. If you want an example of someone who is actually good at gaslighting and manipulating, look at Nate. He has the type of manipulation that a lot of people in the real world would fall prey to.
My jaw dropped during this scene, but by the end of it, i was like
"GO, ETHAN" 🙌
I can see why Barbie was frustrated with Kat's character development because this gaslighting is RIDICULOUS!!
As crazy as the whole brain tumor lie seems, I know for a fact that people go there. Not brain tumor specifically but they’ll say they’re going through a difficult time. Loved one passes, depression, maybe financial struggles. They’ll act cold and distant and find any small “mistake” in their behavior as a reason to break up with them. That way they won’t have to take any blame for it, or be vulnerable and voice their true opinion. I know this from experience 😬 I’m not proud but I’m working on myself.
omg i've kinda been though that too, my ex broke me up with me twice for that kind of reason i always wanted us to communicate and try and solve things together but he'd just act distant and assume that he's not enough for me just because he did small mistakes, he didn't care about my opinion, he didn't care what i had in mind, he'd thought that i'd break up with him everytime i get upset or mad at him ( he knows that i wouldn't break up with him ) so he does it instead lmaooo
also glad u're working on urself hun
I know I may sound like a Karen or whatever by saying this but don’t generalize plz… not being rude but sometimes it’s true that a person might break up bcz of mental health issues. Like, do u expect me to keep dating someone when I’m literally a freaking mess in that brain of mine? It’s not just about ‘me’ of course it’s just to explain that not everyone lies about it. Sorry if I sounded rude or annoyed, it was just an opinion ✨
@@Purple-kh6sh the problem isn't having mental health issues. The problem is not taking accountability for your own feelings and actions. If you're going through a hard time, communicate about it, or break up with them yourself, don't try to place the blame on your partner. Its basically gaslighting them into thinking that they're the one at fault.
@@Purple-kh6sh Even if you dont lie about it, if you're a grown adult and you know your mental health issues might get in the way then you shouldnt start a relationship or stop it before it keeps progressing, because you're going to hurt the other party involved wether they're your partner or your friend
@@Purple-kh6sh exactly
Ethan is too good for these people. Kat hasn't done anything this season, it's disappointing.
You can tell a lot about people by how they behave towards people they don't want. Kat no longer wants Ethan, and behaves disrespectfully and unkindly. Ethan, upon seeing this behaviour, doesn't want Kat and yet responds in a straightforward and dignified manner without disrespect and unkindness. At least at this stage of their lives, Ethan is the bigger person.
one of the things i admire in this show is the portrayal of gen z dating, this is exactly how it is now a days, super accurate.
it's honestly one of the reasons why I haven't dated yet. this stuff doesn't seem fun at all
this also happened to the younger millennials
@@popsicIes It's fun when you actually love each other.
i’m a millennial and didn’t date until i was 23 for the same reason, and even then there was still needless drama 😬
@@cupknee I'm about to be 32 and I'm demisexual. (so casual sex is off the table for me) I never have nor never will have the energy for this kind of bullshit. Guess I should make plans to die alone.
ethan deserves so much better
He gave her one last chance to own up and be honest when he said I at least had the expectation you would be honest and when she doubled down and said "I am being honest" ughhhhh I cant 😬😬
Kat knew exactly what she was doing trying to pull a reverse psychology and manipulation on him all while pretending to be clueless but he saw right through it. He called it out exactly for what it is and I'm so proud of him. He ain't miss a beat man 👏👏👏👏🤧 Ethan deserves better.
i actually cheered when ethan walked off, he handled this situation so well
she’s literally manipulating and gaslighting him, “that’s your experience” is literally the stuff my dad would say when he would gaslight me
the thing i think is good about this scene though is that, because this is how it is when someone is manipulating and gaslighting someone else
it’s a little different for everyone but this represents manipulation tactics very well, but considering she’s a highschool girl and my dad is a grown man it’s def gonna be a bit different
My ex would do this to me a lot and I didn’t even know that’s what this was till I watched this scene, it helped me feel less crazy and happy to not be with her anymore. It’s hard to be with someone who doesn’t love themselves, they will destroy you in the process.
True. Also often it's the sentence "that's not what I mean" like yeah what else do you mean then.
@@goldstateofmind8555 well im happy you feel validated and what she did really sucks, your perception is always valid and if anyone decides to try to invalidate it they’re just immature and that isnt your fault, you are not the burdens you carry, you are much more, always remember that
Ethan continually Bosses up when necessary and I'm SO here for it
Ethan is a real one, I hope he's seen with another girl that actually cares about him.
Everyone says that they hate how the writers changed kat this season because she was such a good character but personally i love it, because its so accurate as to what happens when someone with low self esteem gets pumped up and big headed it was sad to see her change because she was such a likable character but at the same time its real asfk.
He should called one of her friends and say if she told them about this “terminal brain disorder”
The only thing that made this absolutely cringey scene somewhat bearable was the stunning restaurant that they were in. I mean seriously, imagine being dumped in such a gross way in such a beautiful establishment where you know you could never even go again. Its like being dumped in Alexandra Palace.
I honestly didn’t care much about Ethan’s character but after seeing the play he really changed for me he was amazing and I really feel bad for him. I hope Kate sees what she has lost and that Ethan doesn’t get back to her. Because he deserves better!
I can see Ethan and Lexi being friends
I never thought I’d say any of the euphoria girls are shitty but some of them have been awful this season. I guess this season has gone so deep with their characters like wow it’s deep
I think that’s what I like about this show. It’s incredibly multilayered and shows you how first impressions aren’t accurate. How people change or fluctuate when tying to find themselves and their worth. Sure it’s a show and the overdramatize it and also make the situations very out there to say the least but they do happen in real life and I think it’s important for us to see that. I hope, whenever the finale is, we see them all grow cuz at the end of the day that’s what high school and college is supposed to be all about: finding yourself and finding your worth. That’s the approach that Skins took too which is why I love that show
I think it’s gonna show overall that good people can still do shitty shit sometimes. And that shitty people can also have their moments of kindness. The show is emphasizing a grey area instead of making everything black and white. I love it
Everyone's becoming unlikeable
Totally. And whoever considers that Maddy is “amazing” no, she ain’t. She’s just as toxic as Nathan is.
@@everlifed303 bruh she may be toxic but nate is on another level. You're talking about someone who abused his girlfriend physically several times, broke into her home and threatened her with a gun/almost shot himself in front of her (using her love for him against her) so he could get his stupid disc back, betrayed and blackmailed the girl he was supposed to be in love with, slutshamed/catcalled many girls, has deep rooted anger issues as well as narcissistic tendencies, manipulated and had sex with his ex girlfriend bestfriend, beat up an innocent man and was the one who convinced maddie to send him to prison... You can't just compare them like that and say they're alike.
she just lives in internet world
there are people ik like her. they "prefer" the internet and social media on there to actual life experiences bc they like the "profile picture" version of them, then a real person who has to live life on life's terms.
(Also I had a bf in high school lie ab a terminal heart disorder and have this extensive backstory, so this looks like a real, highschool situation to me)
when you saw him at school perfectly fine didnt it piss you off? its just such a bad lie thats easily discovered im sorry you had to go through that
@@munchiekins more in shock that someone can lie that crazy ab something, anything- but esp cancer. like, at 15 you're not gonna assume someone you know we'll and personally already would lie about that-
he didn't do it to breakup with me, I to this day don't know why he told me that. I never even confronted him ab it... too weird.
dated for over two years, broke up with him when I turned 18 and off to dating normal people !
@@crybaby3710 that's just odd for sure 😅😂
@kaizen there's always at least one weirdo in every highschool who talks ab a fake bf
or being pregnant?
or having a disease?
iunno I think they're sick
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i really loved ethan, he definitely deserved better.
The fact that people gaslight each other like this to pivot there way out of a relationship is disgusting. If you genuinely cared about someone haves the decency to tell them the truth.
when the waiter walked up and then walked away 💀
Proof! Don't date someone who doesn't love themselves. Because they can't love you either. If they don't respect themselves, they won't and can't respect you.
This is a really good point. When I watched this scene I really just thought Kat was just being mean but it’s true she doesn’t love herself
@@d_______________ I doubt
@@d_______________ I think we are talking about 2 different things. Accepting any bad behavior is what happens when you think its what you deserve. Because you don't love or respect yourself. There is no such thing as crap love, it's just crap treatment from people. Stop trying to normalize unhealthy relationships. Some people don't want to be alone so they settle for anything and call it love. It's delusional, stop. Rather than just date anyone who gives you attention, work on yourself and figure out what is wrong. Get comfortable with who you are and learn to love yourself. Stop looking for external happiness and validation. People like you are the issue, because it's people like you who hurt other people and don't even realize it, because you are so screwed up in the head. Kat tried to lie about having a terminal brain tumor! Then tried to gaslight him. He was so open and honest with her in the beginning, trusted her completely. Now he may not trust the next girl he meets because of this. He may be paranoid, accuse her of lying and may just leave her because he now feels like she won't actually like him. He breaks her heart and the cycle continues. And this could have all been avoided if kat was just honest
@@d_______________ wow that's very comforting lol.
@@d_______________ hmm not really, no
Kat: "I didn't see this coming"
Ethan: "I didn't either" 🤣
What a KING !
I think one of the most frustrating things about Kat & Ethan's relationship dynamic is that if she had just actually made the effort to communicate her wants + needs to him, he would have been more than willing to bend over backwards to accommodate them. But instead, she took the route that she did and ended up becoming abusive to him instead when he wouldn't tolerate her toxic bullshit.
Ethan deserves the absolute world and there is zero excuse for the bullshit way Kat treated him. I didn't mind her at first but watching her be so shitty and abusive to Ethan made me despise her. I'm so proud of him for standing up for himself bc he deserves so much better. I hope he finds someone who will actually love him back wholeheartedly the way that he loves. Kat really severely underestimated his self-worth; he may be very sweet and understanding, but he still has enough self-respect to know when to walk away. She saw his gentleness as weakness and that's not at all what it is.
"Having a soft heart in a cruel world is courage, not weakness." - Katherine Henson
she’s been insulting him since day one :/
The writers really did Kat dirty
As where they took her character or taking her parts out?
Yeah cause she has beef with the director
How so? She's treated Ethan terribly since season 1 because of her own insecurities. And the time that the principal asked her about the sex tape... She manipulated him just like she's doing with Ethan here. This is exactly like her.
Nah, the writers were honest
bruh no. y'all bought into her "strong sexy business woman" phase but deep down she was always selfish like Rue and Cassie
It worries me that people are associating Kat's lack of common sense, empathy, and manipulative attitude with just her obsession with fanfic. I think fanfics and movies are the least of the problems, the biggest problem is that she didn't like him from the start, she liked the way he was clearly in love with her.
Added to that, she has low self-esteem and tries to fill that void with the opinions of others, like a soft version of Cassie.
like the works with pornography in season 1, she literally made up for her lack of self-esteem with the opinion of men from the porno site, the relationship between her and Ethan was similar in the sense that she went on to make up for her lack of self-esteem with his passionate gaze , but like her relationship with the men on the porn site, she eventually got tired of him.
BLAME THE FANFIC !
right. a LOT of girls grew up like this. i was jaded, manipulative and vindictive like kat was, but it wasnt my fault, yes it was my choice to act that way but i was young and dumb, my upbringing wasnt the most loving. her self esteem is low which makes her act out. deep down nobody wants to act that way.. she just had issues thats all.
@@lucidlioness5330 tbh if you acted out of line with your own values, even if you were young and didn't really want to exist that way, it's not honest to say it "wasn't my fault". By your own admission you made a choice, and all choices are the chooser's responsibility imo. That doesn't mean that you are tainted or that your bad/hurtful actions say anything about your true self, but I think that trying to cling to a narrative (any narrative really) that takes the responsibility away from you for your actions (ie. i had a bad upbringing; I was bullied; I didn't understand) will only bring you further away from freedom.
This scene is probably the reason as to why the actress left the show. She agrees with what you guys have to say btw
Yeah because she’s done him wrong so many times but it’s not her fault, it’s Sam Levison for writing her this way. I bet the actress isn’t comfortable with being Kat anymore because the person he’s making her become is less than positive.
@@antt9862 Yeah:( Sam really shouldve treated her better. Kat just got spiraled
For the people who are telling that there was a huge downfall in kat's storyline there are rumours it is because barbie and the director are not in a good relation....due to which most of her lines were cut out too
People keep saying this, but WHY did barbie and the director have an argument ???
@@cheechee6473 because she hated how they handled Kat's character
@@solierix what did they do to her character
I heard she fucked one of the writers and then it went south
@@toofar2real which writer omg
This is the mosst manipulative thing I've ever seen ...
i was about to explode watching this omfg
@@Mary0ne seriously I can't believe it
next to nate well versed hidden type
She didn’t deserve him
ethan had more grace and maturity in his pinky in this scene than kat has in her entire body at any time. good on him.
he handled that like a champ.
i feel so bad for ethan, like kat if u dont want him ill take himmmmm
same!!!
As someone who has friends in high school who breaks up with some rando like every week this is the most realistic teenage break up I’ve seen. Just excuses upon excuses of why to break up when really is just you don’t have feelings no more.
I find this very nostalgic cuz you would definitely hear this in the Bathroom stalls with a group of girl in the corner trying to give advice to a girl who trying make excuses to break up.
"omg just tell him you have a brain tumor"
Lying with a straight face to someone who knows you're lying is embarrassing enough, but doubling down and being all like "I would be a terrible person if I lied about this" is just giving off so much second hand embarrassment 😭
Wow, Cat is being so terrible here. She could've at least showed him some respect well breaking up with him after he's been so nice to her in their relationship.
She is friends with Maddy for a reason. She says she has her own brain hey she’s just like her very self absorbed, manipulative, & self entitled.
simple "I'm not attracted to you and I don't know why I want someone more masculine plz don't become an incel"
Not Kat being super emotionally abusive
When she said "I have a brain disorder" I thought it was one of those "what she was considering of saying" kind of scenes and when i realized that it wasn't in her head and she actually lied about something like this I WAS SHOOK.LIKE WTFF!
I would love it if they gave Barbie more lines and Ethan a backstory so we could expand on this. She’s had like ten sentences this whole fucking season
haven't even watched the show, and i feel bad for the guy, he deserves better.
Kat was so annoying this was hard asf to watch
The real you found a green flag guy but now you're the red flag😭
Ethan ain’t no simp, that’s my dawg
This show is hilarious!😂😂😂it’s the straightforwardness for me
this is kat self sabotaging herself and her relationship because she knew she doesnt deserve him or at least that's what she believed. sad.
Ethan, Lexi and Fez are one my favorites. 💕💕
She wears that eye shadow well
Evan and Lexi...best ppl ..so far
I hope ethan doesn't go the incel route. Also, i applaud him for at least wanting honestly from kat.
The way she's acting, ALOT of people ARE that way. And I love that they shed light on HOW TO react to someone soo toxic like this. Well fucking done 😘👌
Ethan is so smart, I love him. 🥺
I hope they don’t write home off and give him his own storylines💯💯
@A McKay was taken off the script for a totally different reason than them writing him off…
@@adeaxel3125 Also he had beef w/ the directors and his vaccination status also played a roll i or lack of a roll in season 2.
“i don’t even think you believe that” makes me lol
Kat continually: Ethan is so boring.
Ethan in ep.7 proving he is everything but a boring man.
Kat in the audience: I was really brain damaged.
from her terminal brain disorder
Proud of you Ethan, stand your ground, leave high.
i recently got out of a long term relationship that kind of fell apart for similar reasons (not someone lying to me about a brain tumor) but being in love with someone that struggles to connect with you because of an unhealthy relationship with the internet is genuinely so fucking painful. i didn’t think i could genuinely relate to anyone on the show so far but jesus do i get how ethan feels, king deserves better.
Im sorry that happened. It'll be interesting to see studies on the impact of Internet on relationships in the future
How hard is it to say “we need to break up”😂🙄
This scene is masterfully written and acted, it really makes you feel the frustration of being treated like a fool.
The tragedy is that in real life this would be much more ambiguous (like here we clearly knew that she was saying bullshit, but when you are in the moment meh), and usually the gaslighting person is much more assertive and traps the other in feeling guilty and confused about who is to blame for what.
Also, just found out that this is the iconic Formosa Cafe! From LA Confidential to Euphoria, all the way.
There’s no way the showrunners will keep Ethan around much longer, only characters that stick around are the problematic ones.