Discussing the ideology of the Fireflies in The Last of Us - What's the point of fighting?

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  • Are the fireflies really the good guy faction in the last of us? In this video I examine and discuss the fireflies and their motivations, goals and ideology as a faction. Are these goals even attainable, and is there a point to keeping on fighting for the fireflies in the last of us’ universe? Join me as I explore one of the most interesting factions in the last of us, their motivations, goals, ideology and if there is a point to their struggles: the fireflies.
    Hey everyone! A quite in-depth video today about the fireflies. we are gonna discuss everything about their ideology and strives. For example - they are supposed to strive for a better world and restoring the US to what it was before the outbreak - but still all their efforts, except for searching for a vaccine, seem to be doing the exact opposite. The fireflies are a faction that destroys quarantine zones, some of the few safe places left for pure ideological differences with the military and FEDRA. But what are you reading this for? Watch the video to find out what I think about the fireflies faction, their ideology and goals and if its even a point to keep fighting anymore!
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Komentáře • 359

  • @alexnedin
    @alexnedin Před 6 lety +379

    Deep thoughts, I like it. Fireflies indeed can’t unite the country, because the country has changed. I think at this point all people can do in USA is to endlessly create more and more factions. It’ll lead to a very interesting society, where every significant faction will have a very unique structure, due to lack of centralized government.

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +21

      Yeah that’s probably how it’ll go, if one faction doesn’t get an extreme advantage of some sort and use it to force everyone under their boot or just kill everyone but them. Then the country probably could be unified, but let’s be real probably not even FEDRA could muster that strength.

    • @BangThaBazie
      @BangThaBazie Před 3 lety +26

      Turns out that this is exactly what they went within TLoU2.
      Every city has its own ruling faction. Different factions are fighting over dominance.
      Factions have different ideologies. There are religious fundamentalists. Military-authoritarian types. Straight up slaveholders. But also relatively normal and humanistic communities like Jackson.
      Still, the fact that these factions compete over what remains means that other humans are just as, if not more dangerous, than the infected out there.
      I still think there is hope for uniting these people. Abby is still looking for the Fireflys and I think Ellie, deep down, is very idealistic as well.

    • @Lilhajxjk274
      @Lilhajxjk274 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes they can. Humanity has been through worse and has been controlled

    • @mrsushicut
      @mrsushicut Před rokem +1

      Tribal time for the win again

    • @outdoorscholar6016
      @outdoorscholar6016 Před rokem

      “The more things change, the more they stay the same”
      Humanity got set back in more ways than one, I suppose

  • @williambuchanan77
    @williambuchanan77 Před 3 lety +409

    Jackson seems to have achieved civilisation without unnecessary violence, basically achieved what the fireflies have been totally incapable of doing due to their violent and selfish nature. Society doesn't really need a government to thrive, but in the TLOU world it does need an armed force to protect it from infected and any attacks from one or more of the lesser civilised factions.

    • @byronmartin1840
      @byronmartin1840 Před 2 lety +36

      Jackson is basically in the middle of nowhere and citizens didn't have to fight off the government. One leader of Jackson(Tommy) was a former firefly. There just was no war to fight in Jackson.

    • @crazydude1197
      @crazydude1197 Před 2 lety +65

      @@byronmartin1840 That's the point. FORMER firefly. Even he realized they were full of bs, and him along side Maria were able to create a community without violence.

    • @byronmartin1840
      @byronmartin1840 Před 2 lety +17

      @@crazydude1197 Yes true but you're dismissing the fact that it's easier to not use violence with no one to fight. No other groups or no government has alot to do with it.

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +8

      Jackson has a growing population 10-20k rn

    • @Lilhajxjk274
      @Lilhajxjk274 Před rokem +6

      @@crazydude1197 They weren't bs. They were correct revolutionaries

  • @sealking3838
    @sealking3838 Před 3 lety +135

    The Firefiles should just group up and create their own little civilization. Its not like anything would stop them.

    • @basementdweller235
      @basementdweller235 Před rokem +36

      I mean, as long as they don’t bother Fedra, I think their chances of survival would be much better. Fedra then have a larger workforce to be able to accomplish things faster, and possibly more efficient. Maybe with this larger workforce Fedra could also recruit more soldiers for defense purposes.

    • @mremerald2224
      @mremerald2224 Před rokem +6

      I mean aside from Hunters, Infected, Fedra, Bandits, possibly Scars and WLF and maybe the Rattlers along with the Cannibals they are pretty much fine.

    • @connorchisholm4418
      @connorchisholm4418 Před rokem

      @@mremerald2224 I mean that’s a lot of things to be worrying about as it is

    • @csguy3223
      @csguy3223 Před rokem

      They don’t want to. They just want to kill people and destroy stuff.

    • @axell15thewispmaster79
      @axell15thewispmaster79 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@mremerald2224worst of all Joel

  • @wx39
    @wx39 Před rokem +107

    I'm glad that you pointed out the issues of infrastructure. Nobody ever seems to point that out when discussing the vaccine. Nobody considers how they would analyze the sample, manufacture several iterations and undergo trials to verify the efficacy of the vaccine, go on to mass produce and distribute it, or even whether the doctors they had were qualified and skilled enough to even make a trial vaccine.

    • @calmdownbeavis7039
      @calmdownbeavis7039 Před rokem

      I mean, there weren't even trials for the vaccine for this last pandemic. It was either take the jab or lose your job. Infrastructure means nothing if the human mind is drowning in paranoia and greed. Brought to you by Pfizer.

    • @DaleonM4
      @DaleonM4 Před rokem

      Probably team up with fedra? Since they are the only ones who have factories to produce things. I mean I think that for the greater good they could do it and then when the infected are dealt with they could continue their war to restore democracy or that.

    • @jeffchan954
      @jeffchan954 Před rokem

      Very much, I think FEDRA had a better chance of producing a vaccine than the Fireflies. As bad as FEDRA is, I think FEDRA is a lot better than what the fireflies have produced; most of the firefly liberated places have fallen into anarchy. FEDRA at least provided a semblance of society and safety.

    • @mckennariggins
      @mckennariggins Před 11 měsíci +1

      Also, there has never been a vaccine - in the U.S. or abroad - to prevent fungal infections. We simply do not have the tech or knowledge to create one yet, as fungus is so different from bacteria and viruses. And thats in 2023, not in a world that collapsed in 2013. I doubt that the fireflies with limited scientists and equipment are going to be able create the first one.

    • @mdolfjitler9833
      @mdolfjitler9833 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Well my theory is:
      The CDC headquarters are located in Atlanta Georgia there seems to be a Quarantine zone set up there(going off by what the Pittsburgh notes from captain mastros when he was communicating with a high ranking military officer from FEDRA In Atlanta) FEDRA’s headquarters or head of the department is central command
      Considering all of that maybe both FEDRA central command and CDC along with a sizable military presence was stationed in Atlanta, the military would be used to protect the QZ while the CDC headquarters could have been a massive lab to study the infected for a cure but were not successful but continued to operate.
      what may could have happened is the fireflies knew of the lab and when they found a cure they would negotiate with FEDRA for the return of the previous government and use the massive lab to do whatever with vaccine, problems tho is the negotiations and vaccines stuff the lab may have had research capability but it did not have manufacturing capabilities which would be obvious, but it possibly could be where they can analyze the vaccine and see how effective it is maybe, also I don’t think FEDRA would be the nicest of people to negotiate with

  • @Tutankamion196
    @Tutankamion196 Před 3 lety +84

    I'm just thinking about it. What if, Jackson was the restart of the old life? What if, it's in their hands to build life back up?
    Let's imagine it: With years, they expand their territory and clear infected and don't let them rot in a corner to continue infecting. But rather, find a smart way to burn the corpses and dispose of the spores in closed quarters. Then build homes and continue expanding. I know, it's easier said than done, but I don't have another solution.

  • @spikezilla54
    @spikezilla54 Před 3 lety +71

    "Violent revolutionaries blinded by their vision of a utopia"
    We're looking at you Dutch

  • @JWesker1998
    @JWesker1998 Před 2 lety +34

    I do agree. With how bleak the Last Of Us Universe has become, along with many real life scenarios of nihilism, it is easy to think negative in a world reduced to to a viral cesspit filled with savagery and violence where survival is the only common option.

  • @Ulysses-xl4pv
    @Ulysses-xl4pv Před rokem +7

    Another issue was they didn’t examine Ellie’s blood and use a sample to find out whether her white blood cells have antibodies. Not check the brain, the brain doesn’t tell you anything. I under stand it was to see if the fungus was there. But idk

    • @jacktaylor8195
      @jacktaylor8195 Před rokem +1

      In both games, there is a document detailing Ellie's red and white blood cell count, so the Fireflies did examine her blood, but still failed to realise they could have sampled her antibodies to make a vaccine. They were desperate, yet fatally naive.

  • @Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer
    @Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Před 4 lety +44

    The fireflies remind me of a combination of the NCR and the Followers of the apocalypse from Fallout. In my opinion, they weren’t sufficiently included into the game. They appear as a desperate militia in the beginning and as creepy zealots in the end, which doesn’t give them the proper credit.
    Just look at the medical equipment they have. Unfortunately we only get to see it during an antagonistic stealth sequence. Who else is still capable of complicated, medical procedures? Who could even be bothered to care about stuff like that? The fireflies are educated and knowledgeable with humanitarian tendencies (the followers) while simultaneously fighting for the reinstatement of old world systems and values (NCR)
    I think instead of being dropped in the beginning and then reappearing as villains in the end, they should’ve gotten waay more screen time. Investing the player into their cause and showing the good they can do. That would’ve made Ellie’s rescue more impactful. They wouldn’t have just been faceless evil scientists with guns. Wasted plotential!

    • @_poseidon175
      @_poseidon175 Před 3 lety +1

      Tbh I support the Enclave

    • @KidaMilo89
      @KidaMilo89 Před 3 lety +2

      @@_poseidon175 The Enclave are disgusting and the evil things they do cast their shadow over the good.

    • @bunnitomoe3866
      @bunnitomoe3866 Před rokem

      @@_poseidon175 based and true, also ave, true to Caesar

  • @Bax365
    @Bax365 Před rokem +17

    Currently in the process of creating a tlou spinoff comic of sorts. These videos all incredibly useful for me to get into the world again. Thanks mate.

    • @yodobeats
      @yodobeats Před rokem +1

      Let me know when you finish it!

  • @wingman-1977
    @wingman-1977 Před rokem +3

    That’s the same question that can be asked in every post apocalyptic game/movie/tv series.

  • @sambarringer2862
    @sambarringer2862 Před 4 lety +18

    imo essentially guerilla warfare is best - taking out small sections of cities and slowly expanding until e.g salt lake city is completely free of infection and farming from there etc.
    over maybe 10 years or so you could clear an entire state

    • @coraldiamond1922
      @coraldiamond1922 Před 4 lety +4

      It would take atleast 10 years to clear a state of infected and even more to secure said state from infected and other survivors. My only thought is how do you clear an area of spores. Its probably easy to stop people from entering such areas but we know absolutely nothing about any attempt to clear spores before or during the game so yea. I guess our best bet would be to demolish the building with spores in but this is something I hope is explored more. How long an area stays infected with spores once you remove as many bodies and mushroom parts as possible. Or do you have to get some fans or something.

    • @sambarringer2862
      @sambarringer2862 Před 4 lety +2

      @@coraldiamond1922 i mean a small state eg vermont or nj, obvs they dont respect borders but if you had a decent like group you could clear towns out

    • @corvus_armatura7595
      @corvus_armatura7595 Před 4 lety +2

      Torching most of it should be enough to clear it out.

    • @SwedishEmpire1700
      @SwedishEmpire1700 Před 4 lety +3

      "Salt Lake City (Abandoned, formerly partially Firefly-controlled with the local hospital once serving as the main base of Firefly operations" hmmm doesnt sound like a lefti...err i mean Firefly utopia to me LOL

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +1

      I mean some states were secured

  • @sacredsecrecy9620
    @sacredsecrecy9620 Před 6 lety +84

    You're criminally underrated, mate. It's a damn shame, really. Thank you for your fantastic work! 👍
    PS: May I ask what language those subtitles in your gameplay footage are? Just being curious, looks like a pretty exotic language to me :)

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +16

      Thank you SacredSecrecy! I really do appreciate the support :) och det där språket är svenska! Or in English: that language is Swedish :)

    • @Lilhajxjk274
      @Lilhajxjk274 Před 2 lety

      Not really he is overrated for spreading misinformation about the game and then receiving praise for it

    • @beccan1521
      @beccan1521 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Lilhajxjk274 it’s all just theories no one is saying it’s fact lol

  • @alejandroalvarado3409
    @alejandroalvarado3409 Před 6 lety +244

    Fireflies are not the bad guys, they just want a better world but maybe their desperation to find a cure made them go crazy and their ways weren't the best.

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +86

      No they aren’t. They’re not really the good guys either, they seem to care only for their goals (which ultimately are good goals) and not who gets hurt in their pursuit of those goals.

    • @alejandroalvarado3409
      @alejandroalvarado3409 Před 6 lety +30

      TheiPadCat You're right, when Marlene decided to sacrifice Ellie puts you in a really moral situation. Personally, i don't agree with her but i can understand why she is doing that. Those are the fireflies ideologies. She decided to kill Ellie even knowing that Ellie was her daughter figure and swore to Anna that she will take care of her... wow, it's a really hard situation. What's good? What's wrong?

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +46

      I’m kind of a “sacrifice for the greater good” guy in theory. Although if I was in that sort of situation in real life I don’t know what I would think or how I would act. The problem is, even though sacrificing Ellie could be seen as something for the greater good - how are the fireflies other actions for the greater good? They’ve presumably destroyed several quarantine zones which probably resulted in tons of people dying and for what? So that they could win over the military? What good did it do? It’s not like it helped them to research a vaccine. Thanks for commenting btw Alejandro :)

    • @princessthyemis
      @princessthyemis Před 4 lety

      yeah!

    • @itsblitz4437
      @itsblitz4437 Před 4 lety +2

      Interesting points

  • @danielmedporp
    @danielmedporp Před 2 lety +31

    I'm late but here goes. Joel’s decision was the right one. Humanity was not worth saving and even if he let Ellie die for the sake of a vaccine, there was absolutely no guarantee that it would work and be effectively distributed to everyone. Not to mention the Fireflies overall "fascist" behavior, just like any other faction in TLOU universe, except for Tommy’s. No one can judge Ellie's frustration towards Joel in Part II, but she eventually fully understands his actions - too bad it was after he died and after she went through hell.

    • @jameslanier2510
      @jameslanier2510 Před 2 lety

      The Fireflies are antifascist for the most part considering how they fight FEDRA.

    • @danielmedporp
      @danielmedporp Před 2 lety +10

      @@jameslanier2510 well, I guess you can say that, but TLOU 2 gave hints that the Fireflies weren’t exactly “good guys” either.

    • @darker4548
      @darker4548 Před 2 lety

      @@jameslanier2510 There can be no anti-fascists in a post-apocalyptic world. A totalitarian police state, the only thing that can bring order and discipline in a world of complete anarchy. Firefly does not have anti-fascism, they are just terrorists who hide behind good ideas about saving the world. If they were really anti-fascists, they would have cities like Jackson, but they don't have any cities. firefly cannot offer people a decent alternative to the fascist state, they can only exist as a faction.

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety

      It’s been confirmed that the vaccine wouldn’t have worked

    • @vortukassingh999
      @vortukassingh999 Před rokem

      youre one hell of a narcissist

  • @jacobowens2603
    @jacobowens2603 Před rokem +9

    Seems the Fireflies are a group that absolutely needed to achieve their goals in a certain timeframe, the longer it takes for them to achieve their goals the more people lose faith, the more infrastructure deteriorates, and the more savage people become as supplies dwindle. As shown in the games they failed to do this and their goals become more of a pipe dream, but at least they tried.

  • @bwy553
    @bwy553 Před rokem +2

    9:25 not to mention, all the criminals and people who have just gotten used to living with no rules that would fight to KEEP it the way it was

  • @screenboyya97
    @screenboyya97 Před 3 lety +23

    Well priorities change. Ellie only got bit two weeks before the game starts, and the Fireflies were around years before she got bit. So they probably were there to oppose FEDRA and their possibly fascist ways.

    • @Lilhajxjk274
      @Lilhajxjk274 Před 2 lety +1

      That was there main and original goal

  • @evanbeast47
    @evanbeast47 Před 4 lety +4

    Dang he got deep there for a minute at the end.

  • @Pman8362
    @Pman8362 Před 3 lety +6

    Have been watching your videos discussing lore after watching through part 2, your vids are really well done and I hope to see similar content from you now that part 2 is out

  • @jimaco0312
    @jimaco0312 Před 3 lety +9

    I think the fireflies started focusing on a vaccine after the second outbreak had occured ( from the monkeys in UEC)

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +2

      It was most likely from monkeys reallisticly in real life it would probably go from an animal to humans and others in real life it went from insects to big spiders

  • @llMick
    @llMick Před 2 lety +2

    This was awesome, big hug!

  • @MrSoBitchy
    @MrSoBitchy Před 4 lety +17

    The point on whether the fireflies’ goals were attainable or not is void. It’s pure dialectics, one social force will, by its own nature, create a counter part of resistance/different ideology. If the fireflies didn’t exist, they still would exist

  • @Fede_uyz
    @Fede_uyz Před rokem +1

    I believe 1 is correct.
    we do see that the fireflies are worried about how attacks are being done at random instead of targeted

  • @basementdweller235
    @basementdweller235 Před rokem +10

    I wonder what would happen if the fireflies never formed, and just stayed loyal to Fedra.

    • @TimesFM4532
      @TimesFM4532 Před rokem +4

      Probably a slightly better world

    • @Void_from_Abyss
      @Void_from_Abyss Před rokem +1

      @@TimesFM4532 WLF and ratlers: lets us to introduce ourselfs

    • @TimesFM4532
      @TimesFM4532 Před rokem +1

      @@Void_from_Abyss true, in Pitsburgh the fireflies started the fire then last control which I imagine happened a few times. Also if they weren't distracted by fireflies they may not have had to be so harsh

  • @lonewulfmo9128
    @lonewulfmo9128 Před 4 lety +13

    Excellent video, you put in lots of work..Assumption 1)seems most likely, a leader doesnt need to inform every single subordinate soldier/ worker EVERY single mission, joel didnt need to know or be part of ALL firefly major missions. Secondly i feel your argument that finding vaccine would have minimal impact on the world...ACTUALLY i pad cat finding vaccine wouldve been crucial to restoring order even at regional level. In 90s pharmaceutical companies were against making advanced hiv retro virals cheaplyavailable to masses in third world countries for similar logic. When pharmas lost n hiv drugs bombarded Africa, Asia etc Hiv virus pandemic mortality diminished and rural African economies flourished

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 4 lety +4

      Thank you Mo! I agree that a vaccine could help restore and stabilise things at a regional level. I mean SLC would probably be the safest place in the world had they succeeded in producing it. However the issue with how they’d mass produce it and distribute it all over the world to everyone still remains. And like I said, I’m not sure they’d even want to. I doubt they’d give any to FEDRA or the Hunters - or any other group that they’ve clashed with in the past. Sure the fireflies want a vaccine but they were hardly philanthropists.

    • @lonewulfmo9128
      @lonewulfmo9128 Před 4 lety +1

      That makes sense

  • @jameswolf3302
    @jameswolf3302 Před rokem +2

    i agree with you. I think it's it's unfair to say the fireflies are monsters, but they're not saints either. They're complicated, thay're desperate, and desperate people can make some really shitty decisions based on emotion alone.

  • @TheG60528XiJinPing
    @TheG60528XiJinPing Před 2 lety +9

    It's no wonder the fireflies couldn't find a way to make a vaccine for a fungus. We in civil society haven't even found a way to make vaccines for fungus. 🤦‍♂️

    • @commanderwhite12
      @commanderwhite12 Před rokem +1

      Alot of people fail to understand this. It's literally impossible to make one and the fireflies killed many immune people trying to make one. Their plan was doomed to fail from the start. Instead they should of focused on trying to find immune people so they could possibly give birth to others that could be immune as well. That would be the only way to outlast it long enough for the fungus die off from lack of viable hosts. Yea that's a long road but it's better then killing immune people in the process of trying to make vaccine that is (currently) impossible to make.

  • @ReaverTheSurvivalist
    @ReaverTheSurvivalist Před 3 lety +2

    What is the music at 11:15? It’s so... Perfect for the moment, it’s so empty, but sentimental. I love it

  • @rhinohorn1258
    @rhinohorn1258 Před 5 lety +5

    Love love love your videos mate keep up the good work you deserve more subscribers

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 5 lety

      Thank you rhino! I’ll do my best :)

  • @officer_friendly_
    @officer_friendly_ Před 3 lety +5

    Because they found something to fight for

  • @ricardocastaneda4862
    @ricardocastaneda4862 Před 3 lety +6

    I know this is an old video and pretty irrelevant at this point. But the fact that people continue in going on living is known as the hedonistic treadmill, if I'm wording that right.
    Basically, it shows that no matter what changes things will return to a point of normalcy. For example, the covid virus of now. We more or less have returned to a form of normalcy, whether we want to or not.
    Again I could be working this wrong as I remember this term from somewhere that involves post-apocalyptic society. 🤷‍♂️

  • @teslawolverine7009
    @teslawolverine7009 Před 3 lety +7

    Imagine how many teenagers would join the Fireflies

  • @BulagBanditMedia
    @BulagBanditMedia Před 2 lety +4

    Another possible solution and somewhat of an ouccams razor sort of situation is that a vaccine would help restore a democracy. More people alive means more people alive to vote in a democracy.

  • @Trebuchet26
    @Trebuchet26 Před 6 lety +13

    Interesting and relaxing Video, Emil.
    The Fireflies: ''The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions...'' ??
    I see you announced the Discord server in the video also now:
    Pussy-Squad Unite ;-) !

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +5

      Exactly! The fireflies may be good in theory but they let nothing stand in between them and their goals which results in people getting hurt. Thanks for watching trebuchet and pussy squad unite!

    • @Trebuchet26
      @Trebuchet26 Před 6 lety +1

      I agree... I play Hunter in Factions also...
      I might try out the Fireflies one day, but I really don't like the militairy aspect in The Fireflies... but to each their own... ;-)

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 6 lety +4

      Nahhh fireflies for the win! Hunters are cool too tho. I actually made a firefly arm thingy of my own and I ordered a pendant with my name on it from Etsy.

    • @Ailurophile1984
      @Ailurophile1984 Před 4 lety +3

      Reminds me of Communists and most far left wing ideologies which have an internationalist (as opposed to local or nationalist) orientation and claim to uplift all of humanity in the abstract

  • @colder8741
    @colder8741 Před 3 lety +1

    Good attempt!

  • @SpeedDemon55
    @SpeedDemon55 Před rokem +1

    The Fireflies are super interesting

  • @auxiliarsub5799
    @auxiliarsub5799 Před 4 lety +2

    because they have nothing left to lose or what to fight for, then they try to fulfill the big dreams of others

  • @rcuen8587
    @rcuen8587 Před 3 lety +2

    So they can have a second part

  • @JesTheBarber
    @JesTheBarber Před 3 lety +10

    How can we get Naughty Dog to make up for LOU2 and give us a prequel of Tommy and Joel with in the first 20 years. They can atleast make two or 3 games just based on that.
    Love your videos!!

  • @ascghostgod1414
    @ascghostgod1414 Před 3 lety +4

    There may be a point in fighting becuase you can either live and endure some bad things or cease to exsist and never endure good things so it evens out. This theory assumes theres no heaven.

  • @ahhotep1833
    @ahhotep1833 Před rokem +3

    With regard to what you ask at the end of your vid.
    All I can say is where would we be today, in real life, it there were not visionaries, dreamers and the doers of what seemed impossible throughout the ages?

  • @je2409
    @je2409 Před měsícem

    The firefly and FEDRA war is supposed to come off as rebels vs the empire from THEIR perspective
    But I love that the game establishes that most common folk pretty much despise both sides because of how much destruction and drama it causes in their lives
    I feel like Marlene and the Fireflies are initially the good guys with good intentions, but if you think about it their plan was always destined to fail
    Even if they did secure the cure from Ellie, you can’t just go around finding random people (most of which are prolly raiders and pillagers) and offer them a cure and just expect them to accept it and take it without knowing who you are
    And even if the Fireflies did successfully rebuild a small society of cured or immune people, they’d just eventually turn into a new FEDRA by attempting to dominate the population and throwing the vaccine in their faces

  • @Frank_-jg4zh
    @Frank_-jg4zh Před 4 lety +2

    A Little channel but a good analysis

  • @MrSoBitchy
    @MrSoBitchy Před 4 lety +2

    You have some valid points and I disagree with others and it’s so frustrating lol

  • @Ailurophile1984
    @Ailurophile1984 Před 3 lety +15

    This has probably been brought up before but the Fireflies remind me a lot of a radical communist vanguard militia. They have essentially a global/internationalist goal (delivering the vaccine to all of humanity) and are probably willing to use any means, up to and including terrorism, child murder, and setting up a(n ostensibly temporary) dictatorship (should they ever seize power on a large scale), in order to reach that end; very much like how, for example, the Bolsheviks created a brutal (and also ostensibly temporary) dictatorship that was meant to be the forefront of a worldwide workers’ revolution to create a classless paradise for all of humanity. The Fireflies either out of incompetence or overzealousness (often both) keep manufacturing the trolley problem where it really doesn’t exist, leading to Joel massacring a huge number of them, much like the USSR’s reliance on the junk science of lysenkoism led to disastrous famines and the Party’s ideological paranoia led to millions of imprisonments and executions. If the political compass is at all still applicable to that world, the Fireflies would probably be on the far left (while the Pittsburgh Hunters and maybe Seraphites might be far right).
    I actually think that the ending of the first game was a condemnation of all groups that attempt to act on an international/global or humanity-wide scale in that world (such as the Fireflies) since sooner or later their allegiance to “the human race” in the abstract would cause them to discard their more primal human obligations (to friends and kin) and their fundamental sense of human decency. In the words of that Matt Damon character in Interstellar, in order to save the human race they would have to discard their humanity.
    Simultaneously I think the ending of TLOU1 was a vindication of very localized communities like Jackson, the closest thing in that world to nation-states. The real hope for humanity really lay with these small settlements with strong walls and borders whose populations fall well within Dunbar’s number; they only cautiously let in outsiders after they have demonstrated their trustworthiness and willingness to assimilate and contribute; they can rely on networks of family units for cohesion and patiently ride out the infection for as long it takes while leaving the outside world to sort out their own problems

    • @vortukassingh999
      @vortukassingh999 Před rokem

      you not only is one of the dumbest humans ive ever heard but also cringe ass fuck, i hope baby jesus have mercy on your wretched and villanous soul.

  • @pandegaarkanrauf8413
    @pandegaarkanrauf8413 Před 2 lety +3

    Other members of the fireflies :
    Alex Raymond Vincent
    Alex Rohner
    Ben Glueck
    Brent Pino
    Bryony Stewart-Seume
    Colby Reed
    David Michael Vigil
    Eddie Fuentes
    Erik Griggs
    Hope Pino
    Hui Wang
    Joe Warren
    Joseph Lenz
    Josh Scheffler
    Katerina Perich
    Kazden Risk
    Lucas Rios
    Matthew White
    Melinda Davidson
    Michael Kiper
    Natalie Hoo
    Nicole Hoo
    Paul D. Braun
    Peter Mrozik
    Philip Liu
    Robert Righetti
    Ryan Oliverio
    Sadie Pearle Hickman
    Shiyao Jiang
    Travis Kristof

  • @ramanjotsingh2172
    @ramanjotsingh2172 Před 4 lety +2

    3d audio in good in the clip.

  • @harisuwr
    @harisuwr Před 10 měsíci +1

    like joel said to ellie there is no cure and nothing can help these savage peoples anymore

  • @LazyLizard77
    @LazyLizard77 Před 6 lety +22

    I can't wait for the last of us part 2

  • @neverlurn5937
    @neverlurn5937 Před 3 lety +7

    Why Not just make your own firefly qz s and live as a society make it happen from nothing like the real world society came from ,just go form your own qzs, cities maybe even countries .

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 3 lety +4

      Well humans will never be short on disagreements or hate. With the resources the fireflies had they could probably have done so. But instead they chose to spend it all fighting against FEDRA and other groups

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +3

      Jackson did that

  • @toffonardi7037
    @toffonardi7037 Před 3 lety +7

    infrastructures destroyed? people mass murdered? how can you come back to normal life?? well...what happened in europe (especially some areas of the east) after WW2..... without the infections life COULD come to normal..... of course requiring years and the willing of restoring things.....but possible

    • @TheiPadCat
      @TheiPadCat  Před 3 lety +8

      Well this time around there would be no “new deal” to help anyone. No economy at all and no other major force to assist in building up again. Even though infrastructure was destroyed after the war, there were still countries, centralised power and unity. In the last of us? None of that exists anymore. It’s not impossible, just way more improbable

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Před 3 lety +2

      Europe only rebuilt because it was bankrolled by the US and USSR to do so.

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety

      Black Death killed 60% approximately and ppl went back to normal

    • @TG-nq5qz
      @TG-nq5qz Před 5 měsíci

      The difference is there is no structure at all no economy at all no foreign powers to assist its complete lawlessness even European nations after WW2 had some structure left and support to rebuild by foreign powers in better positions it’s not impossible but it will be 100 times harder and since all infrastructure is so old and forgotten about odds are what you could reconstruct would not be comparable to the old government and way of life because a lot of that knowledge will be lost so it is possible just very hard so it’s not exactly the same situation as it would be after WW2 in Europe

  • @tarunyagautam3013
    @tarunyagautam3013 Před 3 lety +1

    What are the "two attacks" in the intro?

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Před 3 lety +5

      Terrorist attacks of some kind, likely on government/military installations like we see at the beginning of the game in Boston.

    • @tarunyagautam3013
      @tarunyagautam3013 Před 3 lety +2

      @@baneofbanes yeah that's one of the attacks, what is the second one?

  • @Marcothemillionaire
    @Marcothemillionaire Před 2 lety +2

    who are the wolf and are they fireflies ? cause the game I got confused smh

    • @ahhotep1833
      @ahhotep1833 Před rokem

      The Wolves were mentioned as ex-military that turned against FEDRA
      After Joel took Elli from the Fireflies at the hospital and killed the surgeon (supposedly the only person left they knew of that was qualified to create a vaccine and perform the required surgery)
      the Fireflies fell apart and disbanded...with many joining the Wolves.

  • @itsblitz4437
    @itsblitz4437 Před 4 lety +6

    While the Fireflies goals are what most or some would say just dumb or stupid. But they are fighting with a purpose in mind albeit in a skewered way.

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 Před 3 lety +3

      You can fight for a purpose and still do more harm than good.

    • @jacktaylor8195
      @jacktaylor8195 Před rokem

      'The road to hell is lined with good intentions.'

  • @TracerX
    @TracerX Před 2 lety +2

    I am the 1000th like.

  • @funnybunny954
    @funnybunny954 Před 2 lety +2

    1000th like

  • @tiagofigueiredo7456
    @tiagofigueiredo7456 Před 3 lety +1

    I really want to joint the discord can you please re send the link

  • @CaptainPilipinas
    @CaptainPilipinas Před 3 lety

    ['[|| [Hope] is Eternal. ||]'.]

  • @butter_akbar2688
    @butter_akbar2688 Před 2 měsíci

    Fireflies pissed me off. I almost hated Riley for being a firefly. They really are just terrorists.

  • @seansanchez3981
    @seansanchez3981 Před 3 lety +4

    Even if there is a vaccine clickers and bloaters could rip you to shreds

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +4

      There’s 0.000001% for a bloater so they’re extremely rare they die at either stalker or clicker stages

    • @jcgamer1650
      @jcgamer1650 Před rokem +1

      @@fedra5873 Then Joel and Ellie must be lucky then. Even if there was no boaters, clickers can still rip you to shreds

  • @basil60
    @basil60 Před 4 lety +4

    It says Fart 0:04

    • @Andronidas
      @Andronidas Před 4 lety +4

      Thank you president Obama, that was pretty epic

  • @noobybooby9357
    @noobybooby9357 Před 3 lety +10

    People: *don’t want military and start rebelling against them*
    Infected: *takes over most of the country*
    People: *surprised pikachu face*

  • @Wilmhill
    @Wilmhill Před rokem +2

    Svensk?

  • @stevefielding2349
    @stevefielding2349 Před rokem +2

    Just putting this factoid out there
    America is a constitutional republic not a democracy .

    • @nigelbaddock
      @nigelbaddock Před rokem +2

      But its still a representative democracy.

  • @jurassicsmackdown6359
    @jurassicsmackdown6359 Před 3 lety +8

    The Fireflies were doomed. Joel did the right thing, saving Ellie.
    Even if a vaccine was made, it's only going to cure runners and maybe, MAYBE stalkers. Clickers, Shamblers and Bloaters are done for, for good.
    Id rather live in the fungal apocalypse instead of the modern day. The 9 to 5, paying bills, driving... fuckin' hate driving...
    Id rather deal with fungus face, even though I'd probably get bitten if i alerted any of em while trying to sneak past

    • @fivestarguy100
      @fivestarguy100 Před 2 lety +4

      I know that this is a year late, but I also want to add that they didn’t seem to have any way, let alone a plan, to distribute a cure that they might not have even been able to feasibly make. Because they were stationed in a hospital that had been in a state of disrepair for around 20 years, I highly doubt there was much in the way of useable equipment. And, synthesizing a vaccine would’ve taken quite a while, not sure how long exactly, but seeing as how they had what appeared to be, a grand total of three doctors, it would’ve been a while. Especially in their state. I’m not sure a vaccine was ever a realistic possibility for them tbh. Seems more like wishful thinking at this point.

    • @outdoorscholar6016
      @outdoorscholar6016 Před rokem +2

      I’m 2 years late but here’s my 2 cents:
      • I’d rather have the 9-5 because I don’t have to worry about getting my neck muscles ripped out my clickers or become a passenger in my own body
      • I don’t think the fireflies had any intention on distributing it to anyone who wasn’t a firefly

    • @vik6092
      @vik6092 Před rokem

      Vaccine doesn't cure people it prevents people from getting sick in the first place.

    • @godking
      @godking Před rokem +2

      No you would'nt . You think that you would be Joel or Bill. Most likely you would be dead or doing backbreaking work for ration cards. Di not assume that you would be the protagonist during the apocalyps.

  • @peace4myheart
    @peace4myheart Před rokem +2

    They will have to worry about antivaxxer.

    • @calmdownbeavis7039
      @calmdownbeavis7039 Před rokem +1

      My 16 year old brother got the jab, and booster. Now he has heart problems, and got covid twice anyway. People like you pressured him into it because he didn't want to be ostracized and blamed. Look at him now. Stfu.

    • @viridianacortes9642
      @viridianacortes9642 Před rokem

      No offense, but in a case like this, I’d think very few people would refuse it. This disease literally turns you into a mushroom zombie. The anti-vaxx movement would die REAL fast after seeing a clicker. I’d be like “I’ll take a vaccine that “might” give me cancer in like ten years, over a freaking zombie plague.” I’m stabbing this into my neck if I have to.

  • @cosmicbeth518
    @cosmicbeth518 Před 3 lety +1

    0:05 fart

  • @burnbibles3813
    @burnbibles3813 Před rokem +2

    Liars

  • @DoratTheKiller
    @DoratTheKiller Před 4 lety +7

    The Fireflies could have saved the world, had Joel not rescued Ellie

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 Před 3 lety +1

      How is bombing safe zones helping the world!?

    • @DoratTheKiller
      @DoratTheKiller Před 3 lety +4

      @@ForrestFox626 Those weren't the only things they did

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 Před 3 lety +1

      @@DoratTheKiller Name the good then.

    • @fedra5873
      @fedra5873 Před 2 lety +1

      Na not really the infection was dying out anyway

    • @mremerald2224
      @mremerald2224 Před rokem

      @@ForrestFox626 That was Fedra who bombed the Downtown and the military did it because it was literally swarming and only infected, infact they even sent news to whoever was in the Downtown as a warning to get away from the Downtown during bombing.

  • @Bruceboot
    @Bruceboot Před rokem +3

    Nah these points make literally 0 sense 💀💀💀

  • @greggporkman2934
    @greggporkman2934 Před rokem

    Dude just wants fascism