Why NEACE has a really hard time in bronze.. Low elo too hard?
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“The best swordsman does not fear the second best, he fears the worst since there's no telling what that idiot is going to do.” Feels appropriate here
Holy crap thats an incredible quote.
it's not applicable here. sure if you have one duel then you might die forever. but if it was fencing and they get a best of 10. there's no question they win.
@@sirjamsession8179 I think it's applicable in terms of talking, not necessarily playing. Good players understand, while bad players with a big head will say something idiotic.
@@noahbrown9708 this quote misses the point of the video.
@@sirjamsession8179 yes lol, the quote would be if abyone wanted to actually talk about the flash ult first death xd
NEACE: "NA-Flashes"
League Community: Ladys and Gentlemen, we got him! *starts writing Reddit post*
League Community: *writes a reddit post*
NEACE: this post is fucking stupid *makes a 33 minutes and 22 seconds long video about it*
@@kuuroba 5 min of this video is spent on it lol
@@dubbybeats oh good then i didnt even watch it i just hate neace
@@kuuroba Felt that. I got everything I needed to know out of this video when I heard him say "All these guys do is write a Reddit post about how boosted I am" when the original poster didn't say or imply that even once and that wasn't the point of the post.
Seems like Neace doesn't want to admit the guy is right, and thus just makes up a strawman inside of his head about how he perceives this guy, attacking him personally instead of his point
@@BlackfeatherMain he actually does not say anything anywhere close to that within the first 4:20 of the video. I specify 4:20 because if you listen even only up to right there, he already makes a good argument against the post, not the poster. Insulting the person may be rude, but not watching, or even skipping through the video to find his side, is stupid.
I once watched Tyler1 lose 6 silver-elo games in a row, and it actually made me feel a little better knowing that even the best players can't always carry.
That makes me feel sm better lol
its probably smurf queue
If you're under 30 you gotta try harder, anyone can hit gold/plat.
@@revdznet Smurf queue 6 games in a row? Lol
@@Tinyjb0 the real shit is ur average player plays worse on tylers stream in front of 20k people.
To be honest Neace, I found the in game critical commentary one of the most educational things you’ve ever done. Pointing out mistakes, level 1 trades, wave stacking, leaching xp, etc. You often “command” your clients to do these things but I don’t see the “instruction” or the education aspect of it during the live coaching. So I don’t think a lot of newbs get the why, it’s not repeatable. Maybe there’s something I’m missing in post game VOD. But with this, I think teaching them why to fish is way more valuable then telling them how to fish live. Do more of this. Maybe even in a VOD. Or just during a live commentary.
you are kinda describing experience which would be gained through playing a lot this game is too complicated for a single explanation and there's too many other factors like wave control is very complicated so you can't just say freeze vs melee Champs 100% of the time
You are missing. There is no time to explain things when you play. He commanding when you play and after the game they go through replay and comment on the game. He just does not upload 'the instruction' part to yt. I dont know why
@@ng4logic Good assessment, the game is so fast paced that commands work well for a muscle memory/reaction thing and going over concepts is best after. He probably doesn't release the other half bc this is what does for a living and is already putting out a SHIT ton of info for free. This guy rules.
from what I see of Neace coaching sessions, he seems to COMMAND in the moment, which has to be on-the-spot, quick, and the client also needs to have a quick reaction. Now, if they do it and it goes right, they know what the benefit of it is: they just saw it. If it doesn't work, he tells tem what the point was and how to do it consistently. If they simply aren't quick enough to react and do what he says, he will tell them why they should have.
That is, when there even IS downtime enough for explanations to happen. The ~30-40 minute match time is deceiving, the game is still very fast paced and things are happening every second.
@@joebazooka5679 Yea, but $350 I would expect him to atleast try to explain
Just don't let the haters ruin Chill Neace, it's a good idea and a good series.
THIS! I love the series. I watch it as soon as I can. Always looking for the next one. Please keep them coming NEACE!
Concur
@@amongus4114 I will say I do feel a little sorry for the bronze Garen catching the wrath of Neace though lol. Probably not a fun game for him.
I LOVE when neace is playing its so fun to watch :/
My favorite is def chill neace
I trolled Neace's first boot camp and thought his instruction was wrong....so I put it to the test. 100 games as ahri support. By game 50, I had a 80% winrate and climbed from Silver 1 to Plat 4. Yea, I can admit I was wrong and a big part of my ego died.
Interesting, im curious why you thought his instruction was wrong ?
@@truthiz2805 easy guess, he were just stupid
@@truthiz2805it's ego cuz even if answer/instruction is correct there if ego is high then mindset is adamant until proven wrong
@@truthiz2805 That answer is easy, I thought his micro carried him, not his decision making. See I have essential tremors which cause my hands to shake uncontrollably, putting me at a disadvantage when it came to skill shots. Hence why I picked ahri (b/c of the shaking) and support (the role I thought had least impact). Even with my disability, I learned the decisions made were more important micro movements.
@@matthewjohnson2488 Gonna be honest... Ahri seems like a terrible champion to pick in this case as charm is such an important spell
"These players never learn" is exactly why they never climb. I have a friend who has been hard stuck bronze II since he started the game 2 years ago. He thinks way more about his own team's mistakes than his own mistakes so he doesn't notice or learn from what he did wrong. Pro tip, do not care about winning or losing a low ELO match or your bad teammates' mistakes, telling them they are bad won't make them better. Worry about improving your fundamentals and general game knowledge over the long term, whether you win or lose. If you get better at CSing, base timings, trading patterns, and macro every loss, you'll eventually climb to the next rank easily once you've improved your basics.
Honestly - I just started playing again, and I’m in bronze IV. I’m trying to learn the support/jungle role, and I’m playing bard/pyke and Zac/Yi.
Brand new players
To be honest that was me. I started out my first season less than 50 games and hit silver 2. Next season peaked g2 and tilted blamed teammates and went hardstuck g4. Last season climbed s2 to p3. And this season I have 10 games g1, and I will hit plat again. The issue here is mainly blaming your teammates for all your losses. You can recognize your teammates mistakes but don't make them the reason for your losses because you definitely are doing the same things they are.
You right. But it still hurts when you have a mouth breathing botlane that feed so hard that you can't do anything about it when you're like, top lane. Feeling like having no control sucks. And then their mistake comes and shits on you smh
False, as a support when you get a team of braindeads there truly is no hope. The best way to climb out of shitter elos is to learn a carry and punish the other braindeads. Support is fucked at low Elo.
I get why Neace withdrew from the internet now. Without knowing any details, a man who makes this video is not a man who is doing very well in his internal state. Brother I hope you’re feeling better now. Can’t wait to have you back. And healthy.
Pointing out low elo mistakes is really helpful imo, would like to see it more often
He literally pointed 0 mistakes, garen was not even try to make them, garen was doing nothing
@@thebee3576 Thats why id like to see it more often, with other enemies, but ye youre pretty much right
Low elo pleb with aspirations to climb here agreed would like to see more of this
@@thebee3576 he made mistakes with the wave that lost him the game
@@thebee3576 lol
I actually really appreciate that you've been posting the wins AND losses on Chill Neace. A lot of content creators would just post wins, I think it's great that we get to watch what works and what doesn't work. Also I was laughing so hard 30 seconds into that Fiora game
I feel like Neace's commentary makes both wins and losses entertaining and interesting to watch. It's very relaxing to see someone like Neace lose bronze games, makes me worry a lot less about my own losses in same elo (well I only play normals and my elo is all over the place, I get everything from bronzes to diamonds, and even had challenger Varus on my team once who absolutely inted and was very angry). And other content creators go for entertainment value when posting only wins, but Neace's entertainment value is in his talking and he's not trying to pretend to be absolutely perfect 100% winrate cool guy. He's still a cool and smart guy tho.
Gonna be real. I really struggle at this game and empathize with the cope of the poster. Your videos are helping me keep perspective before I tilt off the face of the earth and just play the best game I can and make improvements.
Your champion recommendations have definitely improved my experience top. There is a lot of meat in the training you present and I can only eat it one bite at a time.
Which champions did he recommend?
@@koenahs9974 Top: Mordekaiser, Fiora, Garen JG: Maokai, Nunu Mid: Xerath, TF (at least way back, not sure about now)
I'm a bit late to the party, but as a Fiora main you just showed me in the absolute most real way why I'm still in Bronze.. I've never been shown in such an irrefutable manner. I needed this, thank you.
I've started playing Fiora lately myself. I've seen so many of the Chinese players proc vitals in a millisecond. I've felt that the reason my Fiora sucks is because I can't proc them that fast.
Turns out I just really don't understand the game that well. Bc NEACE played the slowest Fiora I've seen, and it looked a million times cleaner than anything I've ever done.
@@ramenboodle1985 i came back to rewatch this while playing and yeh... thats why high skill champs are the biggest low elo noob traps. people from bronze to low gold think that the reason why they are better than everybody else is cus they learned some isoteric mechanic that is only good in one in a thousand games on a champ they can barely play.
90% of the game is just how you kill minions and being in the right place when you are supposed to be there. i somehow oops'd my way to diamond from just pushing the minions that my team didnt wanna push while they were running around fighting.
@@xayaphile3834 low Elo players OFTEN focus on team fights/kills without realize about 3 waves =1 kill in gold value. Since 15~ CS is approx a kill. So getting 100cs VS a champ with 3 kills and 30 CS makes you "fed" in comparison.
I just play Sion. Means I can ruin your freeze.. If you kill me, I kill wave and shove it. You focus me in my passive I still get minimum 3-4 CS, your wave is done.
I get to turret, I get plates and CS. Your sole focus on killing me VS seeing the gold value I AM getting means that your kills and my farm are equalized.
I keep shoving. No matter what. Often times the Rift is left wide-open. I will sacrifice the CS I need to sacrifice to securely grab it
Low Elo players lose their minds and you can easily get to their inhib before 20mins, get the 2nd rift, get it to their base, pop it, use Sion ult between 2 turrets, and boom game is won.
It's why Karthus/Sion bot lane is a nightmare for Bronze to Gold/low Plat. Players are focused on learning the mechanics of their roles that Karthus and Sion ruin it.
@@GeekedOutNeckbeard yeh this is why thebausffs ban was so strange. they literally made a champ that rewards trading a death for stuff and banned him for being exceptionally good at macro while abusing the champs potential.
the funny thing is that if you have good waveclear, most champs can play like this when behind. you just need way more awareness/macro knowledge.
sometimes ill get spammed "why are you splitting top?" well cus there were 4 waves crashed in our teir 3, i just recalled/died, dragon spawning soon, and im 0/5 while 2 levels behind so im literally more useless than a canon minion but their whole team will 5 man me to stop me from pushing the minions to the river. so just hit the dragon dummy.
like sometimes its not even splitting. its just cleaning up your teams macro so they can carry you while not worrying about the minions.
@@xayaphile3834why don’t you help in our fights then?
5:00 What I've learn from climbing ranks in CS, is you can always find hard games, even in low ranks. One carry isn't always going to win the game. Plus sometimes it's 5 smurfs vs you and 4 noobs. Nothing you can do about it. Same applies to league.
But I want the Smurfs on my teams more often. It’s annoying how they seem to be there waiting like predators.
At the very least, they give me a challenge now bc rank doesn’t mean more to me than learning. But it still sucks to lose streak and have your teams get stomped when you can clearly identify the “Garen” of your team.
God have mercy on your soul when you have more than one 😭
@@annikarabbit80085 Unfortunately, that's the solo queue experience. If you have a premade, your team's skill doesn't vary much so you can rank up way faster. If you play solo queue, you can still reach a high rank, it just takes many more games. It's putting a weight on one side of a dice (you being the weight). Rolling once or twice you won't see the difference, but over many games it becomes clearer. Of course, being a better player also helps in how often it lands in your favor. But you are right, smurfs are very annoying, they ruin games for people who are way lower than their skill level.
The Smurfs have ruined low elo. There is a massive amount of Smurf’s. I run into 3 out of 5 games easy. Plus you can look at the millions of CZcams videos of a smurfs. It ain’t fake news kids. Smurfs are everywhere. Hard to climb when at least 3 out of 5 games you instantly lose of the Smurf isn’t on your team. That’s just facts
This is my issue, I know im not godly and not the best player in league but my team always fucking feeds and keeps me from getting out of low elo... i try my best not to feed but it's always someone on my team that just feeds hardcore.. even with coaching and you try to help they flame you back saying "i know how to play"... blah blah blah and it's like well it's not showing. I dread playing rank in low elo because it always seems like the team i vs always have the people that know what their doing. it's such a drag... but i bite my tongue and keep trying and try to stay positive but i feel like once i get out of low elo i can finally flourish. I play against people 3-4 higher then my rank all the time anyways...
@@nashambenyisrael7689 again problem is the game has auto leveler robots in it now. Tons of bots. Not even human players
I love how you and Courtis showed us a low elo match in such different perspectives, very good content and very fun too.
yea Courtis showed us 2 matches that he LOST even tho he was fed XD
@@belghun43 not to mention he wasnt even trying to get fed, he was playing like the perfect bronze player, like a bronze player who actually wants to climb out of their elo desperately, to the point where they are playing the most boring shit ever
league is still just a game though and a lot of people are trying to find that balance between trying to climb and not getting bored out of their minds, im not trying to shit on coach curtis' video, like that was very educational about how hard playing perfectly without trying can get you, like playing completely passive and just eating whatever the enemy is feeding you can get you pretty far
but its not exactly the most entertaining thing, this vid was just a super flex, exploiting every single advantage the way a high elo player would
@@belghun43 seek help
@@belghun43 he won the second one? He showed how easy is to get feed in low elo, how if you just chill the enemy team will kill itself trying to kill you and that you don’t even need to try to win to win
The first game he lost it because he didn’t do anything, he just keep getting feed following basic mechanics and pointing out how the other team keep making mistakes even when they are steamrolling
He didn’t do a play in all of that game, only simple and basic things that anyone can do, he could have win that game easy if he used his agency at any point but that wasn’t the point of the game, the point was showing how bad basic mechanics and concepts are done in low elo and how bad they throw games
He just defended, and made an unwinnanble game where all the team feeds and all the towers fall an even game all by himself following the mosaic mechanics and restricting himself as much as posible
He didn’t abuse his enemy laner like neace did and he didn’t abuse his macro or prio to win objectives, he just let the other team lose and die by itself
@@belghun43 take an iq test and tell us results pls
I’m so glad Willem Dafoe got into League! That combo is such a W.
I’ve climbed a lot in a really short time, I feel like in low elo (at least for me) it wasn’t an ego thing. I simply didn’t understand the game or what mistakes I was making. For that reason games feel random and I blamed Smurfing, but that didn’t stop me from trying to learn how to get better and now I’m a gold player and this is my first season XP
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@@Leemal3on360 are you stupid in the head
I love “game is solved” I love “chill neace” and I love the way you respond to haters like eminem responds to rap disses
I'm not a hater, my post was about educational content not neace in particular.
@@LunchPerson Anyone who has taken some times to really read your post knows that, but this is Neace channel and obviously people are going to be very guarded and wrongly label your post. For the record, I mostly disagree by what you have written but I do agree that people often have a very warped view of low elo players. Most people under plat are not monkeys. Many players are very proficient in their own niche but not complete enough to perform consistently and climb.
A silver player holding his lane against a challenger (top1% players) is a miracle in itself. It's like some middle-school kid playing football against a professional champion and not getting crushed. People are not enough appreciative of that.
Also the knowledge creep is real. Virkayu mentioned it during a bootcamp. He showed an old footage of him playing Rengar a few years ago and said something like "I reached Plat on Rengar while having the knowledge expected of a bronze player in 2022".
been following you for such a long time, its awesome to see your adaptation to the meta and to see some common trends with every student. always hear your voice telling me to press b hahaha
Not just press b. "Get behind a wall, find some cover."
Press B is 1000% the bug in my ear 😭😭😭
glad its not just me, in game i always think , what would neace say hahahaha
Saaaame
"You're going to Narnia press b press b"
8:10 Dunning-Kruger all over the place. 85% of drivers say they are "Above Average" at driving.
Love this video so much and I don't know about everyone else but this just further solidifies that you are a real, focused, confident coach and you are my coach... and a decent person. Thank you for putting all the work in to simplify our understanding of the game and how to get better Neace.
This was the most sarcastic game of League I've ever seen. Hilarious from start to finish.
There's such a variety of issues that keep people in low elo that it's silly to think that every game should just be a stomp from start to finish for a skilled player, especially when trying new champions. Some players might jump into every fight like a maniac and are only useful when teammates can help keep them alive. Some players might farm reasonably well, but they're so unresponsive that trying to set them up is just flat out worse than trying to use them as bait. Sometimes a mechanically decent player just gets bored and chases kills across the map whenever his lane opponent is willing to play safe. The skill gap in a game this complex is a lot more than any one match will ever show.
I’m sure a pro player would go 100:0 if he played only in bronce, silver and gold (maybe even platinum) (could posible do it in diamond if he has a duo to do 2v8)
But that’s perfect control and understanding of the game, mechanics, macro and more, and not something to ask from everyone
No, it's actually pretty simple, low elo players are just bad, simple as that... There is no execuse for that.
@@PurpleH4z3 even ratirl had like 90% WR on the bronze climb
@@ich3730 yeah, im barely platinum but when my bronze-silver friends invite me to play its like im playing against bots
and im not even good at this hit
anyway im sure a 90% wr will get you in to the smurf Q pretty fast, the system just doesnt let you stay in low elo abusing the players that are there just having fun
@@PurpleH4z3 I dont understand, lots of people say "im not good at this anyway"... dude you're plat! have you asked yourself the question why? its not cause you're barely any good! How much do you play, what style of play are you doing(rolewise or within a specific role or pick) The more I have seen Neace recently the more I believe current league is extremely complex to the point that if you arent playing every day at least two games, and consuming league content you cant even reasonably call yourself knowledgable. Not to mention that even when the game was new it was extremely beginner unfriendly.
Then again, RTS types and their controlls arent something I had the interest or fortitude to get good at before I started playing.
Again, you're plat not because "you're better than the rest"! Show some respect to your skill and effort and if you want more of it, then just keep going.
There are just too many things to go wrong in a situation where you dont have enough info or you get unlucky.
Love the content ! You always make me laugh. I always learn SOMEthing ! Much love
Can you PLEASE do a video where you tell us how you got into league, how you learned to play and why? How you came up with the idea of coaching and how you learned to actually teach? Keep up the good work
there's multiple videos where he talks about that and no i won't go find them for you use google or watch his shit man, it's great.
attention seeking@@zeening
Saw this live just wanna say yall are in for some entertainment
why does neace stream on fb and not twitch or yt?
@@faberware4997 Dont want to speak for Neace but I'd imagine he has a contract that pays him up front. since fb has him or others popular streamers on a contract on the platform, they can have a larger market share against twitch/ yt
@@faberware4997 he actually did speak about it, check out the burger king wendys and mcdonalds metaphorh
Him fighting the Fizz, Shaco, and Garen level 1 was the funniest shit ever haha
Neace is actually so tilted from these people and still casually wins the game
I rarely comment on your videos. I love the content. But this was so cool seeing you break down all the macro decision making happening here. I actually found it really useful.
Haven't had this much fun watching a video for a while. The goal post reference had me cracking.
Neace is like the biggest "Im not saying its my teams fault, but..." xD
Love your content, learned so much. Because of your videos i went from bot games into blind/draft pick and its been so smooth with all the ground work you teach.
Saying it's never your team's fault is just as stupid as blaming them by default. However, your team might hold you back from winning a particular game, but not from climbing.
@@rangehottv7254 agree
Neace, thank you for sharing your daily planner you mentioned at the start. That is one hell of a schedule as a content creator / coach. Leaves literally no private time. Respect brotha.
He is what we all need in the community and world different generation we cherish the most ❤ NEACE
honestly thought about getting a session of coaching from Neace, not because i care about climbing, but just because i enjoy the way he approaches the game.
"By the end of the season, these guys are going to have hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of games, and this seems low". Right here is basically the central point of this entire topic in my opinion. 1v9 stomping a game or conversely losing a game in low - or ANY - ELO is irrelevant. Performing consistently over many games is the goal, and simply put better players (yes those who CS better, have better fundamentals, know the matchups better, have better macro) will climb higher than those who don't.
But many higher elo players aren't putting thousands of games in, why is it expected of a low elo player to do that?
@@aceboogie7832 you don't need to play thousands of games to climb in low Elo. Just focus on performing consistently over many games.
@@aceboogie7832 they did in the past.
@@aceboogie7832 you are not expected to do anything. If you want to get good, you need to practice. It's just like everything else in life.
Dude this video was amazing. I think you put what I’ve been feeling to words. Also, your Vex cosplay with all the self deprecation was A+, Mopey Neace 🥺
Dude that 18:00 reaction "SOLVED! CAN'T CLIMB!" had me laughing so hard. Funny as hell
Thank for the content man. Love your stuff NEACE!
First season playing ranked, been watching Neace and hit Gold this week. Love the content!
I have so much fucking mad respect for Neace
Literally pls keep up the content, you're great
Great content as usual NEACE and keep doing what you do!! Cheers~
Players need to realise that they are almost always in the elo they belong (unless they were boosted lol)... Its honestly not that difficult to climb by yourself once you master the fundamentals...
i used to be hardstuck in silver and i blamed my support role for not having enough agency/being too team reliant etc. HOWEVER, NEACE's live coaching session (with chat) taught me sooo many things in the 2 games that it was enough for me to climb from Silver to Plat in 1 year. Would love to do more sessions with NEACE but my wallet disagrees T_T...
Something I learned from climbing in Overwatch. All you have to do to climb is to outperform people of your role just a little bit, providing more consistent value to your team than them. Nothing special, nothing magical. If you then just play enough games, you'll win more than others at your rank and thus you will climb. That's it. In the end, I wasn't even good at the game, but I just thought about how my current team is playing and what I could do to provide more value to them (I mained off-tank).
true i played tank cause no one else did and with in 60 hours of record competive play i hit plat. that being said i do have 200 hours in casuals before i played much rank but it was just like a lot of dps and trolling tbh
Just gonna say I love your content. A petty neace to diamond series would be hilarious. Just to hammer the point of this what happens when I'm not chill.
I feel sorry for the garen who Neace went against to prove a point
he played garen so he deserves it
Your hilarious Neace, I love how blunt and straight talking you are hahahah, Just watching you videos got me to rise for the first time into Bronze and i admit i have noticed a skill jump clearly but i know its mistakes i am making and being punished more for them now like my non existent camera movement - I know know ive got learn how to not lock camera. Overextending myself into fights I have no chance of winning but I do have some good 1v1 play I just do terrible in the team fights majority of time. I have been highly tempted to call upon your coaching skills but I am concerned if anyone could put you on Tilt I could LOL, anyway pls keep up great stream and beautiful sarcastic jokes, honest and blunt advice. Just love it.
"You can't climb in poker!" killed me hahaha, thanks for the content fam
Thumbs up for the thumbnail alone 😂😂 Gotta love it !
Neace: "This is what flat earthers do"
explains what flat earthers do
Me: "That is EXACTLY what flat earthers do"
I don't know why but this made me really happy lol
What I will say, is it seems like the skill floor has been raised over time.
@@ryanmatthews5771 would you say it's... Curved?
Thanks! Enjoyed the vid!
There is a concept called Dunning-Kruger effect. It goes with this so well
For me, even knowing I'm being recorded is enough to make me change how I play, just knowing I'm being watched. The only way I could get past it, was to record everything, all the time, then it was less of a "I'm recording this next match" kind of thing
I hope you get to reach a point with your work relatively soon where you get to have some more leisure time Neace. You grind out so much good content for free (I watch Chill Neace every night and am loving the climb!) and I hope you get to reap some of the benefits of what you’ve sown. Whenever that happens, you deserve it!
The guy has worked hard for years giving us great and free content, zero bullshit, always speaking his mind, that's why I love him. But if you look at him today, compared to the fortnite period and prior to that, I think he finally achieved. He gets paid really good money for his coaching, which means he got the recognition for everything he did leading to that point. He should (and I'm pretty sure he is) proud.
Lastly, because you mentioned having leisure, I'm sure he could afford to not work every morning or at least a few per week when you see the coaching prices, and his schedule :]
So he is definitely reaping the benefits right now.
this just opened my mind. Thanks Neace
one of the best videos i seen to help me im done with support im missing out on the game
i'd also argue that sometimes it's really hard to turn off ur brain enough in low elo to kinda realize what ur opponents are doing bc it's often ridiculously stupid. playing "correctly" in that regard is sometimes not even the way to win. your team will have a ridiculous lead and pick losing fights or baron at a stupid time for the others to make a comeback and they often won't listen to my pings even when i'm 7/0 or higher so when i can't stop them the way to win is often splitpush even though it would be "correct" to do mu h smarter things on the map. when your team isn't on board or on the same level of thinking it can be hard to adjust bc you look at the game with different eyes. sometimes i have gold players in my game and set them up perfectly but then they refuse to do anything and that's when you gotta let go like "ok they're potatoes" and play alone if you can.
Yeah, it's a big issue. Even if your team is playing correctly and trying to push properly, split pusher champs just run it down to your base so fast now that if your top laner or whoever goes to defend is gapped, then you lose the trade altogether no matter how good your decision is.
High elo advice doesn't work the same down in the bronze slums when there's still 4 other teammates you don't control
No you're just bad enemy has 5 bronze if you're playing good they'll make more mistakes than your 4 bronze players
15:49 Missed cannon. I mean, why should I even listen to this guy?
This was the best lesson possible :)
I became a fan of all the channels of this guy. I known now that one of my fails at climbing is CS, like seriously Neace does a great job at that. I couldnt get pass 6 (Sometimes lower). When i review my own games I see my mistakes (not all of them, sadly im not as good) but I grasp ideas and then discard those games as "insta loss" (Since even if im not good, there is no play available at that moment to win the game).
As a normal game is too easy for me even when im only silver, i want to be gold so i try hard on rankeds, trying to improve. Long way to go...
I wanna be real here, I hope THIS right here becomes a series he does for like, every ELO (one in bronze, silver, gold, etc). Cuz it blows my mind how watching this it locks in my thought that EVERYONE makes mistakes, but sometimes, especially some of my friends, definitely need to see this. I already posted it just because of the gameplay. Rant aside, this is actually VERY educational.
As for the premise of the rant. I love the thought that every game starts at 50% chance of success. Of that 50%, you have only 10% of the control at 0 seconds of WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, with the other 90% being your teammates and the enemy team. It is your job, as the player, to make it so you control more than they do. Or to make your team control more than they do. Then you win. Every time garen fought him, neace was making the game harder for the garen. He was becoming a bigger and bigger threat, eventually becoming 85 to 90% of what the game was about. Tell me you guys, in any lower elo (d3 and down) are not typing (or pinging) about fiora.
100 % agree
Love all your content I never knew Chill Neace was about you becoming a challenger again. 🤣 Here was me thinking you were clowning around being chill trying whacky builds for fun voted by the community.
I need more of these. I laughed so hard it hurts. This is funny because on worst days I tell myself the same f-ing stupid dumb ass things just because i'm in a worse mood damn. thanks so much for making this vid
Lol. I laughed when Garen pressed the outplay button at 18:03. xD
Iv been thinking about why people hesitate so much when you coach them.
I feel that when some one is getting coached they think they do more wrong than they really are.
This leads to people worried to take actions they have practiced. The play they should make is very very obvious and they would usually do it. But because they are getting coached by some one so much better than them they are doubting everything they would usually do without thinking.
This on top of extra information from the coach AND having some one talking to them in game.
I won’t lie getting coached requires loads of concentration and probs (I know I will) get overloaded and overwhelmed between
1. Thinking what is right and wrong.
2. Trying to know what habits to brake.
3. Listening to the coach.
(There are probs more but you get the idea)
NA bronze feels like watching EU West Wood
thought the same. Couldn't he pick another "random bronze game" to make his point? He has a very valid point but his video footage isn't helping.
I only started League of Legends this year, but have played other MOBAS before. I don't remember the one shown being a typical bronze game (I'm not much higher, silver). My typical bronze/silver game looks more like players trying out different champs or knowing the game mechanics in principle but executing very poorly, going into a game already tiled or not paying attention. Overall, they are simply worse at executing tactics and very inconsistent. That is also my problem. It hardly ever happens that they really play like actual bots (see Toplane) or that stupid skirmish in the beginning.
Love your content Neace. That would be a fun drinking game every time Neace says "solved" take a shot XD.
why was the “haha hehe” so funny to me lmao
I’ve picked up Fiora lately as she just felt like a match for how I play and I love her kit and this video was still really really helpful when you were pointing out mistakes ^^
Proved his point. Also I love watching fiora stomp people
“It feels like I’m beating up toddlers”😂😂
This is honestly the most educational video neace has out.
That thumbnail lmao
You should actually make more videos doing this. It's helpful pointing out their mistakes and what they should do instead. Make a series out of this.
It's kinda what he does though in all his coachings... no?
I think he was being sarcastic? I hope?
@@ZeekCannon I don't think he was. Somehow, I also felt that this video went further than "unlock the camera, buy this item, close that shop faster, press escape" etc. Not to disminish the work he's doing or something, but really there was something extra in this one I did appreciate differently.
@@VinceRadley He is improving as a coach
@@VinceRadley Problem is, many people coming to him didn't fix these camera and shop time
Neace's new line "Game's solved" is so funny to me
I fuckin love your no bullshit mentality. Absolutely love it.
This conversation always annoys me. I hit Plat 4 at the end of last season after many years of being hardstuck Gold. Main reasons: I didn't play enough, I didn't evaluate my games when I did, I didn't spend time looking into optimal builds, etc. As soon as I actually applied myself, I started to climb.
Despite being hardstuck Gold for a while though, I have never struggled to get out of Bronze or Silver... if you can't get out of a rank, it is because it is where you belong until you understand how to improve to move to the next level.
It really isn't that complex...
Yea my friend is like this. He has one excuse after another. When I die I feel terrible, I try to find out what I did wrong. When he dies it’s an excuse lmao
I was in a game where another person was like "stop watching neace" lmfao. It was because I pinged a good baron call and threw up a surrender vote because people wouldn't rotate and he recognized that that was something you taught lol. Ended up telling him I actually got a coaching from you lol. It was a fun interaction. I have improved so much since I had the coaching. Still not where I want to be but on my way. I'm much more consistent and in control of my games.
The surrender vote always makes me feel uneasy. What if they all just vote yes? A lot of people in low elo are quick to surrender, myself included.
@@clovermite well at least in that case you move next to a hopefully better game
Can confirm I lost many winnable games by people clicking yes, lol I instinctively hit no no matter what the state of the game is
@@Yousifalbayatycpa If we're doing badly, my go to reaction is to see what others are doing. If we have someone who seems like they're good, I'm generally going to wait and see how they vote first. If they vote no, I'm going with them.
If I feel like we're doing good in general, I'm going to instantly hit no if someone is just tilted that they got owned.
But if everyone else seems to be doing poorly, even if I'm doing well, I'm probably just going to go with it. I'm not good enough with Fiddle yet to carry an entire team. I can't really lead the charge myself, I need someone else frontlining so I can get in my surprise ults or at least just peel for them.
@@clovermite you can aways start the surrender vote with a no vote if you're scared the team might vote yes
22:30 Idk why but I died laughing at his little comment and the look of disinterest on his face.
I just started playing a cpl months ago. I hated playing unlocked but I think now it's starting to become muscle memory. Still needs some work but it doesn't feel akward anymore. Getting to the point where locked feels wierd. So I'm glad I started off with unlocked.
Hope these haters dont get to you man. Love the work and how much of yourself you put out there. Deserve more love
I agree with a lot of what Neace said in this video. In my experience and what I`ve seen over the years, unless you are literally Rank 1, you`re shit at the game and your own teammates put you down for no reason (at least for me, never trolled or inted on purpose, make mistakes like any other human being, but never intentionally sabotaging the game) and you´re wrong about everything and don´t know anything about the game and you´re bronze player. It´s always like that, i see it over and over again, I make a bad play, my teammates: "Tsk! Silver trash".
Not writing this to complain about the flame, I´m not, but most players are actually delusional in every sense, to a point that if you´re not rank 1 and dont carry their games going 32/2/3, you´re trash
If you're a regular Neace viewer, you know we have to ask the question: Why do you even have chat enabled so you can see them calling you trash?
@@clovermite Lmao you got me there! But I have been playing without chat, it´s a much more enjoyable experience and I can actually FOCUS. Still, I`m not too serious about the game so I rarely play ranked games, maybe in the future
@@not_an_ely Amen! Playing with chat on is like riding in a convertible with the top down, and then people on the street are throwing garbage into the car as you pass by. While it is possible to ignore the garbage and still enjoy the ride, I'd rather just leave the top on and keep that shit out of my car.
"...unless you are literally Rank 1, you`re shit at the game..." So what you're saying is, that there is only one guy on every server that is good?
@@gameconcept1196 No, not literally
Watched Curtis’ video and then this one and lold so hard. They both arrive to the same point but in such a different way hahaha.
I'm so glad you made this video lmao. I feel this on so much.
i actually learned alot in this video, thanks neace:D
I generally agree with your sentiment Neace. You can climb to your true elo if you feel like you're better than where you are. My only problem is that it seems like this season for some reason if you do a little too well for a little too long the matchmaking starts putting you with literal toddlers who cant reach the keyboard. So rather than a fluid win rate during the climb, it becomes this massive win streak followed by massive loss streak ebb and flow that just feels really bad.
I've definitely felt that as well. I will say though that every time feel it's happening, I watch the replay of my losses and see that there was a lot more I could've done to tip the scales for my team, and get them back into the game.
To add to that, I think it's easy to forget that as you climb, games are going to get harder - but that doesn't mean your lane will get harder at the same time, there are a lot of aspects to the game beyond laning. Also it's easy to think that the checkpoints in difficulty are in direct correlation with the divisions, but I think that's rarely the case.
Yes. I got to gold promos thrice. Basically get unplayable games during promos, at least i think so. And then go on insane loss streak. Shits crazy.
Dunning Kruger effect in full force lol! It explains why they feel so confident with so little experience.
I'm inspired to try playing like this now in my bronze lobbies lol
I play this game since beta (probably late 2008) and my peak rating was Silver IV in 2016. I remember stacking Madred's Bloodrazor on WW because the item icon was a paw with bloody claws and I thought "must be really good on WW as he attacks with his claws". All I did was stacking AS on WW 😂 I was a teen back then and I was just lost at the game but so was everyone else.
Fast forward all these years and I just can't leave high bronze. It's physically impossible for me to do so. Even if I played this game out of my mind I wouldn't hit gold. Climbing ranks is just brutal for many reasons. Takes more time than a part-time job.
Tbh the OP on that reddit is wrong. There is massive difference. It's a self-serving rhetoric. I once got a high master smurf on my team playing pantheon support (his girlfriend playing adc/bronze elo) and the map pressure he was applying was unreal. Uncanny sense of the game. I was playing top and he ganked my lane more often than the jungler. He was single-handedly carrying the game. At 25min mark the enemy jungler started to fill the /all chat, complaining about the unfair match where the pantheon admitted he was high master but playing with his gf for fun. Out of pity he started inting the enemy team and we still won 4 vs 6 because they throwed the game trying to get baron 😂 high elo is another level.
I resonate with this comment so much. I finish work, study the game and play but just can’t get out of high bronze. Two losses (due to bad teammates) is enough to tilt me and go on a losing streak. If i had no job, sure i could take a long break to cooldown after each loss and come back refreshed and win, therefore slowly climbing, but with a full time job, that’s simply not feasible. I guess this game is just not for me, or i need to become content with staying Bronze forever.
@@Deusvult28024 Thanks. Same situation aswell. I'm a "legacy" player at this point 😂I mostly do normal matches now but I still follow the community on youtube. I'm fine with ranked matches and I'm not going to blame the matchmaking or LP gain/loss ratios. I guess i'm at the rank I deserve. But getting matched with randoms is a total gamble and it's incredibly upsetting losing your decisive promo game to an inting Disco Nunu.
I didn't say this initially but I'm perfectly aware that the story I told above regarding my ranked match with an high master player counts as anedoctal evidence since the sample size was too small but it perfectly resonates with the point Neace was trying to make. That reddit user can't make an valid assumption based on a game by Neace the same way I can't with that story. Simply not enough evidence. Even high elo players make mistakes and losing here and there to a low elo player as no additional meaning. Even a chess grandmaster will lose pieces to an amateur player but it does not mean they lose the game. It's all about the number of mistakes and the innacuracy of the moves.
Your comment proves that there is at least one case study of a high elo player being target inted for only and only being high elo
My initial impressions of reading the post was not "Neace sucks and can't climb"... I believe the idea trying to be expressed is that CLIMBING OUT OF BRONZE IS GETTING HARDER EVERY SEASON. Neace was simply a high profile anecdote to make his point. I genuinely think if you are someone who hasn't played a new account in a while, i.e. someone who ends the last season high enough to avoid Iron, Bronze, and Silver you just get easier games though the "skill level" is higher. In reality, a new account that cannot get an 80% win rate in promos is going to end up having to climb a mountain higher and harder than someone who had unrealistically successful promos.
Comparing someone who is legit high elo like Neace, Solarbacca, The Bauss, etc. to a "strong" player trying to climb to high elo is where players who watch coachings seem to get lost in the sauce, partially bc I think high elo coaches haven't experienced the hellscape that is silver and below in a long time 1st hand WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF CHAMPION MASTERY. I don't think Neace smurfing on a champ he has 10 years exp in bronze proves his point or disproves the writer's point. Most players in low elo are still learning, the issue is that some don't need to *Fiora smurfs ;)* and some don't care to *peeping Teemo*
To be clear!!!!! Watch to the end Neace mentions high elo climbs is that his high elo examples need to be ON THEIR MAIN CHAMPS!!!! Why Neace is a great cooach is bc he wants you to learn your fundamentals AND your champ... probably the most common tip I hear him give is stop playing so many champs, master your champ! The coachings are NOT for people who want to play cait support and "just do this like me and you win".
More to the writer's point, the skill level of newbie try hards and mid elo players seems to be narrowing while the incidence of trolls and people who just shouldn't be playing ranked "THAT GAME" also increases *high ping* *dcs* *1st time champs*.
So if you are a stats loving person.... The odds you are the best player in the game and can carry a win 10%. The odds you are the worst player and will lose the game for you team alone 10%. The odds the worst player is on your team ~60% unless you are the top player, then it goes back to 50%. Odds that you have a game carrying smurf on your team (assuming you aren't one yourself) only 40%. The game isn't as friendly over longer periods of time as people think IMO.
That being said I watch Neace daily and KNOW I AM IMPROVING as a direct result. When that will translate to more LP only time will tell.
Neace is IMO the best coach for the avg player of any rank and flat out the best LOL Coach content creator. Look forward to getting a private when I can loosen the purse strings a bit :)
This. I felt like his rant at the beginning of the video is him doing exactly what he's criticising the poster for. He's prefacing his entire rant with "Yes but I'm just playing for fun".
That combined with the fact that he just didn't read the post and essentially started talking about something entirely different than what the post was alluding to is just kind gear grinding tbh. In my last 10 games more than 50% had someone who shouldn't be playing ranked and tilted 3 minutes into the game and started trolling. It's happening more and more often, and the fact of the matter is, the vast majority of people watching these coachings aren't yet or will not be at a skill level where they can 1v9 carry.
All in all, I think the first half of this video is pointless and he got stepped on his toes a little too much.
@@Demozo_ OP was trying to justify that low elo coaching should have more high elo concepts, that could not be more wrong.... it is way harder to focus on fundamentals when you have the overload of micro shit in your head too.
Neace is ranting, but he has a reason to do it...
Neace is a goat never got coached by him yet but have learned quite a bit I barely started playing league somewhere after last season started and I’ve made it to gold I was hard stuck silver last season cuz I only knew how to fight well but I couldn’t close games, now I’ve reached gold and I’m confident I’ll climb even higher because I an learning how to think like neace in a way I play unlocked (hold space bar to center) have bonding set to snap to teammates (thought karasmai looked crazy and little did I know it’s changed my jungling) improved my cs score tremendously and learned wave management also naturally caught into good gank angles and just recently picked up pathing fluidly. Not the best at pathing but improved. I just feel like I need to think about certain things but idk exactly what it is yet, will book a coaching soon when I have the money. Very eager to pick your brain. Also I love playing really mechanical champs because I like mashing my keyboard and being flashy. Hoping to climb to masters this season because I know that little things can have a massive effect on my gameplay thanks to playing high skill ceiling champions I’ve learned to play fights in way that can have the highest chance of success
2:15 "this is the low elo type of way of argueing" LMAO
i remember playing this game with a bunch of high school friends at the start. I focused on what i could do better and learnt things from players better than me. The mates claimed they were far better players and that i was just getting lucky games. they had just reached silver 5 when i had gotten to plat 3 as support. one day some uni mates came home and organised a big lan with us.
my silver 5 mates were confident they could play toe to toe with me at the time and that i was no better than them just duo'd with people that were good and that I was trash when not on supports.
now i dont claim to ever have been good at this game, but my god the blatant ego.
I'd had enough of their ego at this point and told them you play your "main vayne" or whatever you want and i'll shit on you in any role. i'll even pick first.
i didnt like to take the game seriously at LANS but this time i showed them why they were silver.
i got triple his CS and went 17/0. god i miss old graves.
2nd game i played against the worse of the two on his "everyone knows how good i am at syndra" fuck it, ill play nami mid...... result might as well have been the same.
Honestly I think this whole position the maker of the reddit post is incredibly common in low elo, something I've been guilty of too if I'm being honest. Imo it's a symptom of a couple things; one that there's an unending supply of information on strats and builds on youtube that promise results and, by virtue of usually being played by smurfing content creators, look easy as fuck to pull off. It's insanely easy to forget that these people are playing with the fundamentals more or less mastered; they can do these strats with 8+ cs/m, good map awareness etc as second nature. Us silver players can't/don't. Speaking for myself I was worrying about things that really weren't useful because it was giving me decision paralysis and losing me cs, I was putting myself in bad situations needlessly and so on. And I *think* the other is that the toxic environment in league makes people feel defensive and unwilling to concede that something is their fault. You hear "you're so bad" 20 times a day and of course you're not gonna be in a mindset to reflect objectively about your own game
I agree, I too myself feel decision paralysis or even overwhelmed during gameplay thinking about all the content I've ever seen online about League. Trying to worry about high elo concepts reflected in videos and not understand easy rules such as farming well which is reflective in all roles.Then when you can't replicate the "easy" cool stuff you see on CZcams, you think you're bad, or you're spurred on to do bizarre choices because you're mimicking what you saw and not because its nessecary or even accurate for your own exact game.
Tiniest example I can think of for this lofty psychological issue, is like the Lee Sin Insec kick. So famous, I've seen a lot of low ELO junglers copy it, and they do it any time they can just because they *can* . More than half the time it's unnecessary, mess it up, die needlessly, when like a few auto attacks would work, or doing it all while having terrible farm and map awareness and decision making. Oh but oh boy that Insec kick is all that matters.
Lmfao. The intro makes sense now... lol I thought the reddit was in reference to the clips at first...
LOL!!! 18:49 This right here hahahaha! This is exactly League of Legends LOL!!!!!!
"It's like beating up toddlers" as the father of a toddler, I feel like this is an insult to her, she isn't this bad
sad to see a man dive and cant climb 😢 ggs neace good vid dude this is the type of stuff I love in between the coaching
chief this is the same in SC2 , the low you are the more you talk, ez content, best of luck ^.^ , really completed the whole video , I am sliver and this is an education video. thx !!!!
An year later, but I am in diamond and I have a friend who is in bronze 4 or rather was. He said it is impossible for him to get silver cuz his teams were always aweful. Told him I can get the account in silver in like 2 days top. He gave it to me 2 days later he was silver 3. I believe I lost like 1-2 games total as obviously sometimes you will have leavers or people that will just hard feed or play into someone also from your own level. However that doesn't mean that if your understanding and knowledge and mechanics are higher that you can't climb. The funny part was 2 weeks later that account was back in bronze 3.
I freaking love how snarky Neace is in this video :D. Too damn funny. If I were you I would not worry about haters. Almost noone stays on the top and gets zero hate.
I may not have understood the game back when I played, and I'm thinking about starting back up again, but I remember the hours of watching videos (not in a row, just altogether), looking up the best builds in each scenario, doing (what I thought) was the "right thing" instead of following pvp instincts, and still getting stuck in bronze (back when it was new) over and over.
Not trying to think I'm special or anything I just don't get how I could put so much effort into getting better and still being worthless. I was very passive and tunnel-visioned on myself and not the game as a whole back then, maybe that was it.
I genuinely wanted to get better and it frustrated me, and that's why I eventually quit. But I'm gonna start a new account and go through it all again. Gonna try to get good this time.
And I gotta remember it's not something to be studied like a textbook it's a game first and foremost shits gonna happen.
I like the 10 different things happening at 10 minutes.
Got back into league after years away, first 4 ranked games, provisionally in Bronze, had 3 AFK players on my team, one per game 3 times in a row. And a dude didn't want to play support and sat in the fountain using flash and refusing to surrender. When I jump into normal draft games with my friends, who are in gold+, I have not seen this behavior in 20+ games.
There is more holding people in bronze than just poor fundamentals. Poor mental discipline, poor self awareness, tendency to focus on themselves to the exclusion of the team...and more
with that i agree, people afk and team refusing to remake because they think they are pros, ppl tilting over one minion a jungle stole from their lane and then starts to grief and feed, ppl who starts to beg for ganks and then blame the jungle for their lack of knowledge in the lane (sorry to say this, but if you are begging ganks you are the noob), and so much more.
@@diegoferreira3444 yep, also one thing i remember when i was in bronze a few years ago is that its actually pretty hard to become confident in what your doing because people will flame you even if you do the right thing. The one thing that helped me back then was to rewatch videos with fundamentals in order to check if the person flaming me was correct or incorrect. I then realized that they are often incorrect and then i went ahead to mute everything. After that i went out of bronze really fast.
Yep, if neaces teammates were feeding instead of getting fed this game, he would've lost