The Eternal Hanamura Hold - Pro Overwatch Analysis
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2020
- When it came time to hold down Hanamura Point B, the Paris Eternal were able to pull off an impressive defense that held strong again and again despite the best efforts of the Valiant to push onto the objective.
At the end of the day, careful planning and coordination from the Paris Eternal were able to help them secure the win and continue to advance further in the Overwatch League rankings before ultimately become the Summer Showdown champions.
In this episode of Behind The Akshon, we take a look at the strategy employed by the Eternal to counter the Valiant's attempts to push onto the site.
were able to pull off an impressive hold on Hanamura Point B against the LA Valiant
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With the Paris Eternal now one of the fan favorites to reach the OWL 2020 finals, which Asian Pacific team would you want to see them face off against?
my dream is to see the Shock, Dragons, Charge, and Eternal just to go at it for a few matches and really see who the best in the league is
Ryan Copenlad NYXL sat the charge down last week ?
@@edenflora19 it a payback by nyxl cuz charge win 3-0 nyxl(summer showdown)
GZ Charge cr0ng Sigma vs Hanbin Sigma would be hella cool
kyieori we do not speak of that match
this feels like a national geographic documentary
And people say that ow is not strategic, and I'm really surprised by eternal, I think that they could win owl.
OWL at first can appear chaotic, but like you said there's actually a great deal of strategy, scouting, and planning that the coaches do behind the scenes that often go unappreciated.
@@Akshonesports I agree, the coach can do amazing stuff but they are not as visible as the star player, such a shame.
I've never heard anyone say that ow is not strategic, it's an extremely stupid thing to say for anybody whos played the game.
@@koalasquare2145 I agree
@@sitter2207 I think it's cuz of the bans that are put on to the random characters that they are unable to pick them for a certain amount of days. When that match was played I think lucio and zen where banned from the game.
Guys let's be honest but Hanbin is 100% one of the candidats for MVP
ofc hes had way too many vids on him to not be noticed
Minimum rookie of the year or mvp
XZI, sparkle, hanbin, fielder and fdgod are all mvp candidates
I think chipsa is more of a candidate. He's one of the only players to still have a 100% win rate.
@@tomcrawford8326 fielder and sp9 maybe not cause they started the season very late and xzi was out for a lot of weeks, but i agree for hanbin and fd
The quality of these videos is amazing
My guy you haven't watched the video yet...the video was uploaded under 2 mins ago and its 8 mins long...
@@Ferro_Thorns hes talking about the vids in general
@@Ferro_Thorns every video is great so what's your point?
@@OurLance where did i say ANYTHING about the videos being "bad"?
@@Ferro_Thorns you said he hasn't watched the video yet I'm which he didn't need to because all his videos are great, you saying that he hasn't watched the video yet is saying that you think this one might be bad
This literally the best ow series on CZcams.
Just wanna say that I love these videos. The quality is constantly rising despite the world being in chaos. Really brings light to alot of our days
It's a dark time for OWL content creation if the biggest channels are still Stylosa and YourOverwatch who pivoted to more games like Hyperscape and VALORANT now.
Edit: RIP Overwatch Central who are now all in on VALORANT but just again another rip off of the Your Overwatch format of stuff
ADC Rengar YourOverwatch was really bad anyway, 10 minutes of explaining something that could be explained in 2 minutes
Also known as how getting 4 dragon blades in 5 fights helps hold 2CP.
I think KSP should have switched to a more brawly character to be able to better take on the close range group
Yeah, a brawler close range comp would have obliterated that defensive comp.
A hardstuck plat is telling pro teams what to switch to LMFAO
one shot doom
Static Outlaw, bet you aren’t higher than diamond
Static Outlaw mate, you don’t need to be a high rank to know about the game lmfao
i'm french and i tell you thank you because this video is so clean and when you are a fan of paris it's very appreciable !!!
you're really good in analyse
Ever since 2-2-2 role lock, big six v six clumped up teamfights have been less and less popular
That's a good thing
why do you think that that is?
wich is great
@@sorin_markov that is to maximize the angles to exploit the choke. Hanamura has weirdly strong chokes.
It's mostly because of the meta shift. Before role lock the meta was goats, where you have a lot of close range brawl characters. In brawl you essentially run into the enemy team so your Rein can swing into them. Now meta is double shield, where you poke out the enemy team. The poke style has more long range heroes who can play split and still support each other (mainly Bap, who can provide a lot of healing from far away).
You should do that Philadelphia vs Los Angeles match reverse sweep.
CX Moyer lmao he just has to say that gladiators main problem is kevster and some other problems
Yes, how the Glads completely dominated the Fusions. I would take Eichenwalde to show the Genji domination, where the Fusions couldnt find any weakness in LA.
Yea, but the fusion reverse swept the glads.
Ex how in the hell is gladiators main problem kevster??? he’s been playing incredible AND he’s still on 200 ping
CX Moyer Yeah, but the first two maps where the Glads dominated, were very one sided. Not close at all. And when Philly reversed, all the three maps were really close.
I love that the title doubles for the long hold they did as well as their team name.
Hanbin's positioning and skill as Sigma really held this hold together
Can you do a video on the Philadelphia reverse sweep against the gladiators?
Bro thats just classic philly making it 5 rounds 😂
I always click on these videos first on my feed, it is such incredible quality, more in depth than multi billion dollar tv broadcasts like espn when ever going through plays and strategies, love the content keep up the amazing work!!
I love these videos so much! I didn't even catch all these small details and decisions both teams were making and I watched this live. I hope you continue making these videos for a long time!
Glad you like them!
I’ve been waiting for another over watch analysis video for a while and this didn’t disappoint!
I love everyone of these videos, each one is so well made
I just discovered this channel and I have to say that besides the fact the commentary is great, the editing of these videos is just fantastic. Well done!!!
Thank you!
ksp was kind of the lynch pin in valient's strat. if ksp got more picks they probably could've gotten at least a tick, but he did his best so it still comes down to positioning and cooldowns and stuff
They never gave him adequate sightlines. He couldn't commit.
I love ur videos they are so in depth and helps me understand plays that I don't while watching it live
Love these vids I'd love if you could keep making more
After watching some of these videos I was actually able to get several tips that helped me a lot in game, and its really well explained
I don’t play much Overwatch anymore but these videos are always so interesting to me. Kudos on making such great videos!
I’m always shocked at the quality of these vids. Keep it up
Appreciate the nice comment. Thanks!
5:37 “Hanbin’s respawn timer is up.” But Hanbin was alive during the whole duration of this fight.
I think he meant "As this happen" ( means the fight ) Hanbin just respawn when they started fighting
@@teeeee but when did he die lol
@@velocities8242 What?
@@teeeee When did Hanbin respawn? Did he mean to refer to Fielder, who was killed by Shax?
@@velocities8242Oh I think what he means is as both teams starts to colied and fight each others. Hanbin also just got respawn which allow him to joins the fight. as for fielder. He joins only when the fight is about to end or ended
"This title displays very nice wordplay, if it was intentional." -English teacher
Wow love these in depth play anaylsis
Legend says the valiant are still trying to make the push
I love this series. One thought, what if you brought on someone like sideshow for a segment at the end of the video about how to counter the strategy outlined in the video. Sideshow (or any other strategically minded overwatch community member) could have shown what valiant SHOULD have done to counter paris. just a thought. keep it up!
Even though this is a pretty common strategy, you guys explain it well and in full depth for beginner to expert levels of understanding.
Hanbin deserve to be in the discussion for MVP
Or at the very least deserve to be the ROTY
Baron Sengir and fielder’s playing from a different region. Ping King
@@sorin_markov You do know hanbin has the best stats out of any Tank in the league. He's been having stand out performance after stand out performance all season long. So yes he is in the discussion for MVP/ROTY.
@@sorin_markov No it's not debatable, and of those "giants" as you called them, there are tanks too, and clearly hanbin hasn't been doing any worse than them.
He's been the most consistent player for Eternal all season long, has incredible stats and you think him being in the discussion for MVP/ROTY is debatable ? That just blows my mind. I'm not saying he should be MVP, just that his name should be up there as one of the best performers this season.
@@sorin_markov that's still the best stats out of any tank you know. And just check for over 400 hours playtime which is a must have to be in the discussion imo (it's 1/3 of the max playtime you can have basically) and he ends up first in final blows, 3rd in damage, 4th in elims and 5th in solo kills, choi being the only one close to him in the stats, but you'd do well to consider shock only lost 3 times the entire season while paris lost 7 matches, meaning he's been putting this kind of stat with a winrate way lower than shock's.
Yes he's dying a bit more than the tanks that stay alive the most, but he's still 10th out of 45 with over 400 hours played, that's not so bad. He also dies barely less than Choi, and that's also the only stat where he's behind cr0ng who you put as a candidate iirc while he dwarfs him on every other stat.
@@sorin_markov right now, Hanbin's sigma stats are 1st in final blows, 1st in eliminations, 1st in hero damage, 3rd in solo kills and around middle for deaths for any amount of time played above 35 minutes. His dva stats are also consistently amongst the highest, across the board, compared to the off tanks. If you don't consider this guy one of the best off tanks or even THE potential best off tank right now, you're out of your mind. (all stats from stats lab on owl website)
Thanks for this amazing video
love this channel keep it up
Thanks, will do!
Very nice video
You should take a look at Paris Attack vs Toronto, on Anubis point A. Paris lost their 2 dps and still manage to win the team fight thanks to a very smart rotation. Probably one of the most strategic victory. BenBest confirmed that all was voluntary. Looking at it using top view is just mind blowing. Would be very nice if you could do a video of it.
Another awesome vid
Great video. I think it would be even greater if you made suggestions on how they could've worked around it, (if it's even possible without a lucio).
These are helpful amazing content
Yay akshon! I think the valiant could have used mei wall or sym teleporter to flank wide to the left across the gap and collapse on hanbin and feilder to take them out early and secure the team fight.
I can't BELIEVE how GOOD This is!
Hello Akshon
Hello there!
This is like watching an action movie
"The shamata Leader has returned"
Shedding a tear as I'm watching this after the end of season 5 (as a Paris fan)
At the beginning i was not understanding why coaches were so important in a overwatch team, now I know. This make owl so fun to watch
I love these vids they help me make mine
Great vid ❤️
5:38 There's a mistake here, Hanbin didn't die, Fielder did, and so it should say that Fielder's respawn timer is up, not Hanbin's.
When I read the title I thought it was going to be some super strong attack and defense paradox where neither team can win if they do said specific comp making the eternal game.
How much time do you put in these videos? The quality and script for them is absolutely outstanding!!! Great work.
i think you guys were missing the point of the dragonstrikes. They were not to kill sigma and baptiste, but to allow valiant to push into high ground by cutting off sig and bap, and then forcing orisa and her friends to move off of highground because the dragon is headed towards them too.
Can you make an analysis on the shock and titans game I couple days ago?
Also I love your work 👌
That was such a brutal and one sided game it might be illegal to even show on CZcams
I miss this map
I love these videos because I can get Overwatch content without the need to blow my brains out by playing the game.
The only real way to counter this play on high ground is all going heroes that can go across the left side void. Something like dva monkey genji hanzo mercy lucio, that way they don’t get caught in the pincer, and only half of paris is there to fight, effectively making it a 6v3. Now it’s possible the rest of the team rotate around to help them, but by the time they do they’re most likely already dead and the valiant have a successful push off. Of course opening picks could be used as well, but since the team plays in groups of 3, it would be really hard to get a successful flank off without dying to one of them.
Another good vid
Really comes down to team execution I think, might work if switching to Sym and tp thru window to get Sig?
Me talking to valient: all you had to do was swap to symetra and just use her tp
@@fredhenzell-thomas6448 the way it works is that, they will tp to the point, I want them to at least two shields so they can block the damage, rein and orisa or sigma. Moira for extreme healing and Lucio to just heal while doing damage. Paris must come to the point or it will be a c9. And rein can just swing and kill. The Lucio would get a lot of ult charge from how much damage the tanks may get. But the Moira should just keep them alive unless they are a dps Moira. With how much damage rein can do and the heals. Paris would PROBALLY crumble under all the damage. You may think what about genji? as I told the Lucio. And you may say brig. Well rein will just overpower her. So technically this should work. But I don't know. It is just in my head.
That is what I think is the best approach.
Yeah, idk why they didn't do that but i'm happy that paris eternal won :D
Only if it was that easy. Sym only works on first point and for snowballing second.
Hanbin and Fielder could easily stop Sym set up tp.
Ryan Yao just wanna know how will the tp will be stop?
I honestly believe junkrat is a sleeper pick on hanamura attack. In this scenario specifically instead of the hanzo in the downstairs doorway, a junk rat would've been better as he could apply pressure to not only the top right stairs but also the bottom right of it two, dealing the neccessary damage but i'm hard stuck silver tank so....
The Paris redemption arc is unreal. Definitely a team I’ll be cheering for the finals
It's nice to know that Marx is a fan of the OWL
Oof
lovw the vids keep it up :)
Thought this video was gonna teach me how to indefinitely hold Hanamura lol
Well they kind of did that versus the Valiant so a good case study?
Who would come out on top? Shanghai Dragon's Hanamura Attack VS Paris Eternal's Hanamura Defense?
Didn't understand ksp's dragon in the match they looked so silly,now I understand
Here’s how I, a person that’s pretty bad at OW, would try to get past Eternals hold.
Like you showed, when the Valient pushed the Orisa-Genji group, they just backed off, and then killed them with dragon blade. What I would do is, knowing that they would back off when they get pushed, is to save Hanzos dragon strike for the Orissa group.
So they would push the Orisa group, which would make them back down the stairs again, but while they are pushing Hanzo would aim his ult at the bottom of the stairs. Now the Eternal would be trapped just like the Valient was the first push. If they killed that group, then they could easily walk onto the point, and now the Sigma-Baptiste group would be stuck where they were.
Basically what I said is, Valient should have used Hanzos ult on the Orisa group, not the Sigma group.
You didn’t mention that in the first push sp9rk1e dodged a pulse bomb, other than that amazing video dude.
(I don’t actually think you forgot maybe you just didn’t feel like it was too important anyway i love you guys)
"just admiring the sheath of it" lol
Important to know that on Hanamura, the defending team has an incredible advantage because the map geometry is extremely powerful; and in a game of Overwatch, defenders decide where the engagement happens, attackers decide when it happens. The simple fact that the defending team can cherry-pick their position is insanely powerful.
Valiant's solution out of this is to use resources in a way that will net them more angles / high ground than Eternal; they never fully committed on shutting down Hanbin who was single-handedly denying 3 off-angles. By gaining more space in one way or another, Valiant will have more choices and instead of reacting to what Eternal does like in this match, they would have more options to consider. Once a team has less and less options, the more likely they are to make a mistake / end up playing reactively instead of proactively.
I wonder what would have happened if KSP had switched of hanzo for reaper and ported on the sigma/baptise/Widow from over the gap behind
Valiants had no chance. Fielder's healing was godlike and needless to say his fields. And the coordination they had and the preparation for every single scenario just made the Valiants have no choice but to overwhelm one side, but it was not possible.
I would have tried mei and lucio swapping one dps and Brig. With wall and speed the Valiant could have collapsed on one of the 2 groups. The issue is that all of this is read by defense so no chance to get them on surprise.
They could have done the sym tp from the top right courtyard to the pillar on point through the window then set up a bunker on point. The eternal didn’t have much high damage outside widow so bring double shield and they win bc sparkle gets countered by sym and widow is blocked by double shield
I feel like this is only a minor variation of the standard hanamura b defense, isn't it? Sig has been on that flank throughout the meta, the inlet change is having widow in that position
For April fools next year can u do a overtwatch analyst on supers genji
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Maybe they could’ve used a sym teleport to go around where only a few characters could go
What they should have done is have ksp with them at the choke and dragon strike across the high ground towards Hanbin and basically cut them off for a while, then push 6 on 3 to the high ground and then push onto point
My Idea for the Valiant would have been to Switch of the tracer for a doomfist for example to Just Punch Fiedler and hanbin Off the hoghground
Look at Ksp’s face after that he looks so defeated
Who Would win
Perfectly executed ultimate+pull combo
or
Baptiste pressing E on the ground
Do you think that if one of the valiant was a ana, that one push where the Baptiste healed would have been successful leading to a capture, due to a biotic grenade
I kind of think pushing the long range is better because the close range comp only got Genji to close that gap fast. But still, without a Lucio, they can’t push at a faster pace.
My biggest takeaway from this is Immortality Field is still busted
Could have gone with a 3v3 as well with reaper/Winston/Lucio vs the sigma group and Doomfist/sigma/brig vs the orisa group ...with reaper dealing so much dmg to sigma or even lucio booping him off the HG so that reaper can basically deal with him on lower ground .with bap forced to either fight winston and lucio or backing off to help the sig ..it would create so much chaos
Sym tp to the left and force sigma off the highground and have Hanzo kill stuff
So pretty much this was the same tactic that let Hannibal run rampant through Italy for a while.
I feel sorry for Sparkle and Hanbin, their back literally broke :(
FDGod is a lit dude tho
BRIGETA-- What does the scanner say about their power levels?!?
After watching this video and taking a look at all of the factors that went into these team fights, it appears almost as if the Valiant threw this map. While double shield is most definitely the meta right now, trying to mirror Paris (excluding the Valiant's DPS lineup) for attack on a map like Hanamura puts LA at a severe disadvantage as the Eternal can simply back up and still output effective damage from a distance. If you watch at 6:38, Jonah Lee-Ash himself even talks about how low mobility against a comp like this is weak and can be easily shut down by good execution, which the Eternal are very good at. In my opinion, I think it would have favored the Valiant to run a brawl-heavy comp with Reinhardt, Zarya, Symmetra, Mei, Brigitte, and Moira. LA could go just pass the choke before using Symmetra's teleporter to get onto the top right high ground, where the close range Eternal group is. Mei could then temporarily wall off any incoming damage from the long-range Eternal group while helping to freeze the enemies in front of her. Brigitte (with her inspire ability) and Moira could provide loads of healing to allow the rest of the team to keep pushing forward. Finally, Symmetra's sentry turrets would be the cherry on top as they create one more problem for the close-range Paris group to deal with; if they (Paris) decide to focus on destroying the turrets, they will be faced with a ton of incoming damage from LA, but if they decide to focus on the LA team as a whole, they will be slowed down and dealt damage from the sentries. I wasn't able to find the hero bans that were in place for this matchup on the OWL Twitter, so if any of those heroes that I suggested for that comp were banned, feel free to reply to this comment and let me know.
Orisa mei Ana + 1 are banned, I don't think they threw the game. End of the day some teams run comfort picks over meta and it can still work. I believe they just lose the neutral, Eternal just had the better engagements and played it really smart.
Seo Jae Park That isn’t true because Benbest played Orisa during Paris’ defense
Now that I think about it, why didn't the Valiant just push Hanbin and Fielder on the second level whilst throwing in the dragon strike behind them? This would have forced them to either drop down from the floor they were on or else get pincered by the Valiant.
wow the double shield meta
run dive and dive the sigma baptise
A symmetry flank in side could have worked because they were spread out so It would be 3v6
They may have had a good chance at the win if they changed up their comp a bit to run sombra hanzo and ball zarya but who knows.
If the Maginot line if it worked
maybe a lucio rien push through mid and up the stairs for high ground
Coming from below in order to force them to drop, drawing all of Sigmas groups attention to Orisa, then having a flanking widow killing baptiste and widow
maybe like a switch of the hanzo
I feel like the hanzo pick was too weak, his kit doesn't allow him to really target tanks as well as other dps. I believe that a mei would. Have been really strong against Paris. Mei could freeze the bap and allow tracer to finish him, then target sigma, and ultilizing meis wall, they could have also cut off the sigma half from the orisa half.
And this is why the LA Valiant won't make it to the OWL 2020 finals, at best the semi finals and lose to the Fusion, Shock or Eternal
Wasn't mei nerfed to the ground? I feel I can no longer compete with her current state RN.