My conclusion is that many of these claims are true but due to its "marketing" maybe many people can get fooled because Devialet tries to show the most shocking specs but not really their methods to measure them or the "real world use". Great video as always!
Thanks for the detailed evaluation. This is serious, close on a forensic level stuff. What i like about it, is that you seem to have the passion and also enough integrity to keep your view clear.
Hey, super Video und tolle Arbeit die dahinter steckt! Habe mir gestern in SG Akustik Karlsruhe 2x die Devialet Reactor 900 gekauft und habe diese dort im direkten Vergleich zu den Phantom Gold im Stereo Modus und den Reactor 600 im Stereo Modus im Testraum gehört. Habe mich für die Schwarzen 900er entschieden, fand diese klangen für mich am besten. Die Phantom waren für den 35qm großen Hörraum einfach zu viel. Weiter machen :D
basschecker17 vielen Dank:) Ich find auch, dass schwarz sehr cool aussieht und Stereo macht sicher einen Riesenunterschied im Vergleich zu nur einem Phantom Viel Spaß mit den beiden!
I've had my pair of 900W reactors for a few days now. The sound quality is mind blowing, but my right side reactor keeps dropping out and I have to reconnect very often. Its driving me crazy. Does anyone have any tips for maintaining a consistent stereo connection. I use a Bluetooth connection with my mobile to play music. Both reactors are plugged into the same wall socket and my network interface on both reactors is set to WI-FI. Ive tried Auto and PLC, they both drop out. Funny thing is, that its always my right side speaker that drops out, yet my Devialet app says the left side speaker is missing. Very strange. Any help would be much appreciated.
One of the clearest review about this device, thanks man! I'm in an internal discussion between the Devialet (probably the silver phantom) and Cabasse Akoya. The Elipson W35 is also in mind... Do you know them? Regarding Devialet, do you think it worth it to buy just one?
Toni Marin I requested a review unit of the Cabasse two times but my email was blocked every time haha. I haven’t heard of the Elipson yet but it also seems like a Phantom inspired speaker just like the Cabasse. I’d also be interested in which of them is the best sounding but unfortunately I can’t really tell. To answer the general question I don’t think that it’s worth to buy just one speaker if you want to listen to music on a serious level. If you just want to have music in the background or for a party it’s ok but not if you’re an audiophile.
@@speakertoni2680 Got it, thanks. I really want to invest in something that sounds amazing, but the mono/stereo thing has me worried. Elipson seems to be the only stereo one. If you're gonna invest that much money in it, you have to be able to make the best of it. My apartment is small so I'm not looking for sound power, I'm looking for top quality. I really like music and I listen to a wide range of music every day, where listening to details is important so I'm looking for a device to enjoy the sound experience, so to speak.
@@tonimarin7621 Check out the KEF LSX. Similar in performance and functionality to the Devialet Reactor, but it’s a two speaker set so you’ll get proper stereo sound staging and separation. It’s more audiophile sounding compared to the Reactor with superior mid range and treble. You buy the Reactor for the bass impact, loudness, ease of set up/usability and portability.
Hello how it stack up against silver phantom? Its the bigger better louder? Deeper bass? I can buy used one silver phantom of the price of the new one reactor 900... thanks for the answer your videos are awesome ;)
Speaker Toni the reason why I think it would be interesting is precisely that. at high volume phantoms shine, but for low volume listening, how do they behave compared to other speakers? it would be interesting to hear what is the difference between them ( as a reference ). Everybody know that phantoms are fantastic at high volume, but there aren’t videos about phantoms at low volume in youtube.
Normally you don’t measure the response from a recording although there is a live analyzer built into REW If you want to measure a frequency response you connect a mic to your computer and let REW play a sinus sweep through the speakers For more details I’d check out their website where everything is explained nicely
Hey Toni, I know it's from a while a go now but I'm thinking about picking up a Devialet Phantom Gold and I was just watching your silver outdoor test video. How much louder does the gold go compared to the silver? what are the noticeable differences between the two? Is it worth it?
The Gold Phantom is 3db louder which isn't a lot but its noticeable. The bigger difference is the sound which in my opinion is a big improvement over the Silver Phantom. If you want to hear them directly against each other I did a sound comparison between the two on my channel already:)
Hi Sr i would like some recomendations about bluetooth speaker, im looking audio quality and my budget is 350 top, It not has to be portable and is for indoor use, i would like an advice please, thanks
Paul Benedict probably not at all It doesn’t look that promising and it is insanely expensive Although it would be interesting to find out if it even comes close to being worth that much
Hey, How is the sound quality for the phantom classic (2000w) at 70-80% is it hard to listen beacause the Devialet reduces the bass and boost the highs... ? Could you say something to the sound quality at high levels...
At 70-80% there is no difference. It doesn't get that much louder though from 80 to 100. Definitely a bit higher on the high end but low end stays just as violent at 60% as on 75%. Really, they do not give in on the low end. I use two Classics.
First of all I have to say I'm a true silent long time fan of yours, I really like your scientific approach to testing speakers. We really seem to be in line with our thoughts. I always seem to be agreeing with you. I'm really not a commenter, but for this occasion, I thought I'd try it this way. I'd like to ask you for a favor.. Could help me with something? I was just fixing air leaks on my Riva turbo x to make it perfectly sealed, but apparently when you don't connect the touch keys before you connect the battery, it goes pop and it dies... I was really attached to this speaker and I can't find anyone who wants to ship one to Belgium for a reasonable price. Amazon doesn't even want to ship to this country at all.. Then there are sellers asking 300 or 400 euros for this speaker, that's insane as you well know.. If you could help me find another reasonably priced working speaker or a donor for that matter (since there is only one circuit-board fried I'm sure this could be replaced). I would be ever so happy if I could get another one or get this one repaired, but they seem to be rare at this moment in time. If there is ever something I could do for you, just ask. Greetings
Senjean hi, thank you! and sorry for the late response I would like to help out but I checked online and there’s no option of getting the Riva Turbo X here in Germany at the moment I would ask Riva if they could send a new unit out but unfortunately I don’t have any contact information about Riva Did you find another solution yet?
I live in an apartment with a 4500mm*5000mm living room. If you were me, which would you choose between two reactors(stereo) or one phantom gold?? I usually listen to 60~00s black music, pbrnb, hiphop, jazz and james blakes.
According to me 2 small reactors would be better for me for the stereo and compactness exept if you are always listening at party volume (more than 100db)
Nabend Toni, erst einmal...deine Reviews sind klasse. Nun zu meiner Frage: Stehe vor dem entscheidungs problem, ob ich 2 x 600 oder 2 x 900 nehmen sollte? Die 600er wären natürlich klasse, da ich nur ein 24qm Wohnzimmer habe und der knapp 500€ unterschied zu den 900er, ist auch nicht zuverachten. ABER auch wenn alle sagen, der Unterschied zwischen beiden Modelen, ist nur die Lautstärke....sagt mir diese Seite was anderes: versus.com/de/devialet-phantom-reactor-600-vs-devialet-phantom-reactor-900! Bezgl. Subwoofer, Neodym-Magnet und der 600 soll einen Passivradiator als Speaker haben. Desweiteren höre ich sehr viel Rock & Heavy, sollten die auch händeln können? Meistens werden ja Mainstream Pop bzw. RnB zur anhörung hergenommen. Zur Zeit höre ich Musik über meinen PC System Boxen Edifier S550 ( 5.1 mit 35W pro Box und seperatem Subwoofer ) Danke dir schonmal im vorraus
PhysioA vielen Dank! Der Bericht auf dieser Seite ist etwas verwirrend. Ich war bis jetzt immer der Meinung, dass es praktisch die gleichen Geräte sind und der Verstärker bei dem einen einfach stärker ist. So wurde mir das auch bei Devialet bestätigt und das was auf der Seite steht ergibt meiner Meinung nach auch wenig Sinn. Der 600er hat laut denen keinen Subwoofer, was sollen dann die Chassis an den Seiten sein? Außerdem würde eine Passiv Membran anstelle von 2 aktiven Woofern, wie beim 900er, eine komplett andere Gehäusegröße bedeuten. Deswegen kann ich mir nur vorstellen, dass der Fehler bei der Seite liegt. Ist mir bei den schon häufiger aufgefallen. Zum Beispiel bei Smartphone vergleichen sind manchmal Falschinformationen drin. Von daher würde ich vielleicht nochmal bei Devialet nachfragen und sie darauf ansprechen und dann zwei 600er nehmen. Rock müsste relativ gut gehen, weil der Phantom einen guten Grundton hat. Trotzdem ist er natürlich nicht so sauber wie ein echtes Hifi System.
Also i would say for the power on rms look at the back panel of the speaker you will see the power consumption value. The true power in rms never exceed the power consumption. So you have an idea of you Real power of your speakers. For example my sub svs sb1000 is rated to 300w rms and i see 300w as power consumption on the back so the statement is true , same with my monitors with a power in rms claimed as 75w rms and i see on the back 110 w of power consumption it can be really possible of 75w rms . czcams.com/video/9f2hIlQLM5g/video.html at 1:39 and 1:47 on this link But b&w asw 608 and 610 are examples of totally biaised power announcement with 200wrms claimed but on the back of these subs we see 40w of power consumption so the real power on rms can not exceed 40w rms on these sub which is very far from the announcement .
No. First of all kwh is a unit of energy not power. Second as was stated in the video the stated output power is peak power not sustained power. The amplifier will contain capacitors that buffer charge to be able to deliver the stated peak power when needed. This means that the power drawn from the outlet will be smoothed out so if you measure the power draw at that point you will not see the peak power.
Impuls audio you can’t compare the two systems like this It all depends on the efficiency of the speaker Your system probably has a much higher efficiency than the phantom and that’s why it achieves more dB with less watts If you have 105dB of efficiency 100 watts will be enough for 120dB at least
Try measuring ur qsc. Pro audio manufactures specs are all bullcrap. If u measure ur speaker at clipping, you would probably get around 108-110db. Which is probably as loud as a gold
Abiel pangga a weighted on a spl meter 4 feet away I got 123.45 dB just before clipping, at clipping on a bass heavy song it just hit 126, considering there $1200+ I don’t think they would lie (kw series)
High end pro audio company’s don’t really lie, k.2 series will push 1000 watts rms and all the rcf fbt and bass boss stuff I’ve used has reached there power spec and spl spec, still hesitate at calling the dv12’s a 1500 watt rms speaker and they only push that on a test tone but get dam loud for the small thing
you can fudge the numbers easily, use 4 ohm peak power with distortion at 900 watt, then in real life you got 2 drivers so half it, 8 ohm half it again, no distortion 30% loss, RMS power is 50% lower again. so from 900 claimed its really 100watts pr woofer in 8ohm 1%THD RMS. marking trick and still kind of correct saying 900w.
Chepassa ich hatte ihn bei mir und war einfach nicht begeistert. Fast schon enttäuscht. Natürlich kommt für die Größe ordentlich was raus aber für das Geld bekommt man besser klang auf Kosten der Größe und Exklusivität.
I’ve really enjoyed your works thank you for always giving your best.
YES THANKS TONY! LOVE THE GRADING ON THIS VIDEO BTW! Looks great!
The Earth Is Bread thanks a lot:)
My conclusion is that many of these claims are true but due to its "marketing" maybe many people can get fooled because Devialet tries to show the most shocking specs but not really their methods to measure them or the "real world use". Great video as always!
Thanks for the detailed evaluation. This is serious, close on a forensic level stuff. What i like about it, is that you seem to have the passion and also enough integrity to keep your view clear.
Yes! I was wanting this video.
Damn one of the most professional videos I’ve seen
Hey, super Video und tolle Arbeit die dahinter steckt! Habe mir gestern in SG Akustik Karlsruhe 2x die Devialet Reactor 900 gekauft und habe diese dort im direkten Vergleich zu den Phantom Gold im Stereo Modus und den Reactor 600 im Stereo Modus im Testraum gehört. Habe mich für die Schwarzen 900er entschieden, fand diese klangen für mich am besten. Die Phantom waren für den 35qm großen Hörraum einfach zu viel.
Weiter machen :D
basschecker17 vielen Dank:)
Ich find auch, dass schwarz sehr cool aussieht und Stereo macht sicher einen Riesenunterschied im Vergleich zu nur einem Phantom
Viel Spaß mit den beiden!
I've had my pair of 900W reactors for a few days now. The sound quality is mind blowing, but my right side reactor keeps dropping out and I have to reconnect very often. Its driving me crazy. Does anyone have any tips for maintaining a consistent stereo connection. I use a Bluetooth connection with my mobile to play music. Both reactors are plugged into the same wall socket and my network interface on both reactors is set to WI-FI. Ive tried Auto and PLC, they both drop out. Funny thing is, that its always my right side speaker that drops out, yet my Devialet app says the left side speaker is missing. Very strange. Any help would be much appreciated.
Since I bought one of these I keep trying to connect my phone to my air freshener.
One of the clearest review about this device, thanks man! I'm in an internal discussion between the Devialet (probably the silver phantom) and Cabasse Akoya. The Elipson W35 is also in mind... Do you know them? Regarding Devialet, do you think it worth it to buy just one?
Toni Marin I requested a review unit of the Cabasse two times but my email was blocked every time haha.
I haven’t heard of the Elipson yet but it also seems like a Phantom inspired speaker just like the Cabasse.
I’d also be interested in which of them is the best sounding but unfortunately I can’t really tell.
To answer the general question I don’t think that it’s worth to buy just one speaker if you want to listen to music on a serious level.
If you just want to have music in the background or for a party it’s ok but not if you’re an audiophile.
@@speakertoni2680 Got it, thanks. I really want to invest in something that sounds amazing, but the mono/stereo thing has me worried. Elipson seems to be the only stereo one. If you're gonna invest that much money in it, you have to be able to make the best of it. My apartment is small so I'm not looking for sound power, I'm looking for top quality. I really like music and I listen to a wide range of music every day, where listening to details is important so I'm looking for a device to enjoy the sound experience, so to speak.
@@tonimarin7621 Check out the KEF LSX. Similar in performance and functionality to the Devialet Reactor, but it’s a two speaker set so you’ll get proper stereo sound staging and separation. It’s more audiophile sounding compared to the Reactor with superior mid range and treble. You buy the Reactor for the bass impact, loudness, ease of set up/usability and portability.
@@mensrea1251 Thanks mate! KEF is a totally unexplored world for me. Will take a look
Really surprised it actually has useable sound under 30hz in real world conditions
Can two of them replace a 5.1 or 7.1 surround system? Can they be connected easily to TV? Volume control via TV-Remote?
Hello how it stack up against silver phantom? Its the bigger better louder? Deeper bass? I can buy used one silver phantom of the price of the new one reactor 900... thanks for the answer your videos are awesome ;)
Can you test the big phantom at low volume VS other speakers? Nice video as always ;)
See mo thanks!
But why at low volumes?
Especially at those the Phantom sounds rather thin
Speaker Toni the reason why I think it would be interesting is precisely that. at high volume phantoms shine, but for low volume listening, how do they behave compared to other speakers? it would be interesting to hear what is the difference between them ( as a reference ). Everybody know that phantoms are fantastic at high volume, but there aren’t videos about phantoms at low volume in youtube.
what software are you using for the frequency response measurement?
Myk TA it’s called REW
@@speakertoni2680 wow thanks alot!
@@speakertoni2680btw how do you measure frequency response from a recording or how to set things up for REW?
Normally you don’t measure the response from a recording although there is a live analyzer built into REW
If you want to measure a frequency response you connect a mic to your computer and let REW play a sinus sweep through the speakers
For more details I’d check out their website where everything is explained nicely
@@speakertoni2680 can the zoom mics be used?
Hey Toni, I know it's from a while a go now but I'm thinking about picking up a Devialet Phantom Gold and I was just watching your silver outdoor test video. How much louder does the gold go compared to the silver? what are the noticeable differences between the two? Is it worth it?
The Gold Phantom is 3db louder which isn't a lot but its noticeable. The bigger difference is the sound which in my opinion is a big improvement over the Silver Phantom.
If you want to hear them directly against each other I did a sound comparison between the two on my channel already:)
@@speakertoni2680 Thanks for the reply! Looks like I will go for the gold :)
Hi Sr i would like some recomendations about bluetooth speaker, im looking audio quality and my budget is 350 top, It not has to be portable and is for indoor use, i would like an advice please, thanks
ill say buy the jbl boombox 1 its 250 euro now since the boombox 2 is out
When are you going to review Linn series 3?
Paul Benedict probably not at all
It doesn’t look that promising and it is insanely expensive
Although it would be interesting to find out if it even comes close to being worth that much
Hey, How is the sound quality for the phantom classic (2000w) at 70-80% is it hard to listen beacause the Devialet reduces the bass and boost the highs... ? Could you say something to the sound quality at high levels...
At 70-80% there is no difference. It doesn't get that much louder though from 80 to 100. Definitely a bit higher on the high end but low end stays just as violent at 60% as on 75%. Really, they do not give in on the low end. I use two Classics.
Do a diamondboxx vs phantom video
First of all I have to say I'm a true silent long time fan of yours, I really like your scientific approach to testing speakers. We really seem to be in line with our thoughts. I always seem to be agreeing with you. I'm really not a commenter, but for this occasion, I thought I'd try it this way. I'd like to ask you for a favor.. Could help me with something? I was just fixing air leaks on my Riva turbo x to make it perfectly sealed, but apparently when you don't connect the touch keys before you connect the battery, it goes pop and it dies... I was really attached to this speaker and I can't find anyone who wants to ship one to Belgium for a reasonable price. Amazon doesn't even want to ship to this country at all.. Then there are sellers asking 300 or 400 euros for this speaker, that's insane as you well know.. If you could help me find another reasonably priced working speaker or a donor for that matter (since there is only one circuit-board fried I'm sure this could be replaced). I would be ever so happy if I could get another one or get this one repaired, but they seem to be rare at this moment in time. If there is ever something I could do for you, just ask. Greetings
Senjean hi, thank you! and sorry for the late response
I would like to help out but I checked online and there’s no option of getting the Riva Turbo X here in Germany at the moment
I would ask Riva if they could send a new unit out but unfortunately I don’t have any contact information about Riva
Did you find another solution yet?
Phantom reactor or b&o m5?
Btw those shots are soo cinematic...
Luka Bošnjak thanks!
I’d go with the phantom probably
Hey speakertony do contact me if u sell any of yor speakers discounted.
I would like to own one.
I live in an apartment with a 4500mm*5000mm living room.
If you were me, which would you choose between two reactors(stereo) or one phantom gold??
I usually listen to 60~00s black music, pbrnb, hiphop, jazz and james blakes.
According to me 2 small reactors would be better for me for the stereo and compactness exept if you are always listening at party volume (more than 100db)
98db at 1khz 👌
Nabend Toni, erst einmal...deine Reviews sind klasse. Nun zu meiner Frage: Stehe vor dem entscheidungs problem, ob ich 2 x 600 oder 2 x 900 nehmen sollte? Die 600er wären natürlich klasse, da ich nur ein 24qm Wohnzimmer habe und der knapp 500€ unterschied zu den 900er, ist auch nicht zuverachten. ABER auch wenn alle sagen, der Unterschied zwischen beiden Modelen, ist nur die Lautstärke....sagt mir diese Seite was anderes: versus.com/de/devialet-phantom-reactor-600-vs-devialet-phantom-reactor-900! Bezgl. Subwoofer, Neodym-Magnet und der 600 soll einen Passivradiator als Speaker haben. Desweiteren höre ich sehr viel Rock & Heavy, sollten die auch händeln können? Meistens werden ja Mainstream Pop bzw. RnB zur anhörung hergenommen. Zur Zeit höre ich Musik über meinen PC System Boxen Edifier S550 ( 5.1 mit 35W pro Box und seperatem Subwoofer ) Danke dir schonmal im vorraus
PhysioA vielen Dank!
Der Bericht auf dieser Seite ist etwas verwirrend.
Ich war bis jetzt immer der Meinung, dass es praktisch die gleichen Geräte sind und der Verstärker bei dem einen einfach stärker ist.
So wurde mir das auch bei Devialet bestätigt und das was auf der Seite steht ergibt meiner Meinung nach auch wenig Sinn.
Der 600er hat laut denen keinen Subwoofer, was sollen dann die Chassis an den Seiten sein?
Außerdem würde eine Passiv Membran anstelle von 2 aktiven Woofern, wie beim 900er, eine komplett andere Gehäusegröße bedeuten.
Deswegen kann ich mir nur vorstellen, dass der Fehler bei der Seite liegt. Ist mir bei den schon häufiger aufgefallen. Zum Beispiel bei Smartphone vergleichen sind manchmal Falschinformationen drin.
Von daher würde ich vielleicht nochmal bei Devialet nachfragen und sie darauf ansprechen und dann zwei 600er nehmen.
Rock müsste relativ gut gehen, weil der Phantom einen guten Grundton hat.
Trotzdem ist er natürlich nicht so sauber wie ein echtes Hifi System.
@@speakertoni2680 Danke für die rasche Antwort. Bezüglich meiner jetzigen Boxen....wär es eine Steigerung, nach deiner Meinung? (bezgl. Edifier S550)
I still prefer the bigger phantom, because its for bigger rooms.
phantom gold is crazy
Thanks for French egenering congratulations
Does the gold phantom do 22hz?
Carlos Guadiana at a certain volume yes
@@speakertoni2680 whats the lowest hz it can go at high volumes?
@@carlosguadiana I don't know
@@speakertoni2680 try it.
@@speakertoni2680 im trying to save up money, for a Gold phantom but i have been failing. Because i buy other electronics.
Also i would say for the power on rms look at the back panel of the speaker you will see the power consumption value. The true power in rms never exceed the power consumption. So you have an idea of you Real power of your speakers.
For example my sub svs sb1000 is rated to 300w rms and i see 300w as power consumption on the back so the statement is true , same with my monitors with a power in rms claimed as 75w rms and i see on the back 110 w of power consumption it can be really possible of 75w rms .
czcams.com/video/9f2hIlQLM5g/video.html at 1:39 and 1:47 on this link
But b&w asw 608 and 610 are examples of totally biaised power announcement with 200wrms claimed but on the back of these subs we see 40w of power consumption so the real power on rms can not exceed 40w rms on these sub which is very far from the announcement .
I think the phantom reactor is too small. They should of made it bigger, so it can do 98db, like they claim.
Bigger? Try the Phantom Silver or Gold.
You can measure it with a simple kwh meter
No. First of all kwh is a unit of energy not power. Second as was stated in the video the stated output power is peak power not sustained power. The amplifier will contain capacitors that buffer charge to be able to deliver the stated peak power when needed. This means that the power drawn from the outlet will be smoothed out so if you measure the power draw at that point you will not see the peak power.
@@mabl4367 a kwh meter kan also show you the wattage a device is consuming
Why make it look like an egg. Might have considered one otherwise.
Matte black one is cool
I have a very hard time believing 900 watts peak, I have 1000 watt peak qsc’s that output 126 dB, 100 watts wouldn’t make that big of a difference
Impuls audio you can’t compare the two systems like this
It all depends on the efficiency of the speaker
Your system probably has a much higher efficiency than the phantom and that’s why it achieves more dB with less watts
If you have 105dB of efficiency 100 watts will be enough for 120dB at least
Try measuring ur qsc. Pro audio manufactures specs are all bullcrap. If u measure ur speaker at clipping, you would probably get around 108-110db. Which is probably as loud as a gold
Abiel pangga a weighted on a spl meter 4 feet away I got 123.45 dB just before clipping, at clipping on a bass heavy song it just hit 126, considering there $1200+ I don’t think they would lie (kw series)
High end pro audio company’s don’t really lie, k.2 series will push 1000 watts rms and all the rcf fbt and bass boss stuff I’ve used has reached there power spec and spl spec, still hesitate at calling the dv12’s a 1500 watt rms speaker and they only push that on a test tone but get dam loud for the small thing
you can fudge the numbers easily, use 4 ohm peak power with distortion at 900 watt, then in real life you got 2 drivers so half it, 8 ohm half it again, no distortion 30% loss, RMS power is 50% lower again. so from 900 claimed its really 100watts pr woofer in 8ohm 1%THD RMS. marking trick and still kind of correct saying 900w.
Maybe use a more attention grabbing video next time, because only the sound is a bit boring (but good video)
Ist den Preis nicht Wert und Punkt
Chepassa ich hatte ihn bei mir und war einfach nicht begeistert. Fast schon enttäuscht. Natürlich kommt für die Größe ordentlich was raus aber für das Geld bekommt man besser klang auf Kosten der Größe und Exklusivität.
@@dominikmoller782 ja auf jedenfall. Beeindruckend aber naja
nothing useful here
Must feel terrible if you don't understand anything in a video