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Mason Marangella from Vertex Effects shares six easy tips for reducing noise in your pedalboard.
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Hello I'm Mason Marangella, owner of Vertex Effects, The Rig Doctor, the First of My Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Father of Dragons, the Khal of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains! xD
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Thanks for the tips! I am in the process of reconfiguring my board and will take these tips to heart.
I did a 4 year electronics course and a year of electrical, this was just common sense to me. My board is tidy and all cables and power run underneath and cable ties. I've been running an older MXR dc power brick. It's placed on the top left of the board, mounted underneath as well. I did however put a RF choke on the in coming ac line for it. Haven't had any noise issues from the board. I run 2 amps in stereo through a Earthquaker Swissthings (amazing pedal!).
This issue for me was a phase issue from the 2 amps, but the Swissthings took care of that. I also bought heavy duty power cables for both amps that had better shielding and larger gauge wires. I run everything through the same power conditioner to keep things a common ground. This seems to work very well! It's always the small things that can make a huge difference.
Great video content!
I had a noisy pedal one time. The only reason it was noisy was because the DC power supply plug was grounding out from the ring of the power plug was touching the enclosure & causing some wired ground loop. All I had to do was loosen all the screws & jacks & then maneuver the enclosure until it was properly centered & then slowly re-tighten the jacks & screws. Now it works perfect. I guess I got lucky.
Awesome,best teacher for pedals..great info.
Thx for the tips Jack Black
Last video we did with Sweetwater someone said I looked like Geraldo Rivera...which one is it?
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Great content.
Great video! Thanks
Way cool. Thanks for posting.
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You can put (wrap, paint etc..)shielding around your older supply if it has a transformer and is causing issues
This is just an advanced add. Scary how integrated the add has become. I'm not looking at videos about pedals, - i'm looking at adds for pedals.
Hi Mason, After doing my best troubleshooting, Iâm stumped, so Iâm hitting you up as the god of pedalboards, with hopes that my question and your answer will be useful to me an others! No matter what I do, I get a low but very distracting hum in my system. Touching any metal surface anywhere in the system, including strings, laptop, audio interface, pedals, etc., eliminates it, then it comes back when I release the touch, so Iâm assuming itâs a ground loop.
Hereâs my setup and things Iâve tried. My setup is an acoustic rig for fiddle (Ithaca Strings/Aceto piezo pickup $500, so high quality) & mandolin (Fishman M300 piezo pickup at around $250). I also tested on a stock PRS SE Custom electric guitar. For testing Iâve stripped down to a very simple path - nothing else is connected to the power supply. The power is a CIOKS4. For the stripped-down test, this powers a Grace Design Bix pedal running into a GFI Specular Tempus, both in mono and both set at 9v, then going out to inputs (Iâve tried all: in-1, in-2, & HiZ) on a Universal Audio Solo/Arrow, running into a 2020 Macbook Pro laptop (via TB3, with Manley Voxbox plugin pre inserted into the unison slot (no other plugs are inserted), monitoring via AKG K240 headphones from the UA Solo. DAW is Ableton Live 10.
Things Iâve tried, with no difference to this consistent hum:
* Iâve tried 3 different 1/4â cables input and output cables of of at least decent quality levels, no longer than 15â, rotated through the system. Pedalboard patch cables are Ernie Ball P06220 Flat Ribbon right angle cables.
* Iâve tried plugging the entire board into a different outlet on another breaker in the house.
* Iâve tried isolating the entire pedalboard by powering it with a USB power cell.
* Iâve tried inserting a cardboard ring between the instrument input and the 1/4â cable.
* Iâve isolated each pedal to a single power outlet cable - no daisy chains, and Iâve removed all the remaining power outputs; only two items are plugged into the CIOKS power supply, & each is fully isolated.
* Iâve tried lifting the Bix preamp pedal and moving it around to see if that changed the intensity of the hum, but it made no change.
* Iâve tried removing the Voxbox pre. The hum got louder.
* Iâve tried eliminating the pedalboard entirely by plugging each instrument directly into the UA Soloâs hi-Z input. This reduced the hum, but did not eliminate it. The hum had the same character. It was still too distracting for serious recording work.
* Iâve tried the system with more pedals, daisy chains, etc., but the 60hz hum was present throughout, so I stripped it down to try to isolate.
* I don't normally have 60hz hum coming through the UA Solo in other uses, so this only relates to the path I've described above.
Iâm stumped. Any ideas?
Have you tried a power conditioner?
The laptop is the weakest link in the chain fyi.... guarantee that is where it is coming from. Been dealing with this for some time... cpu are not shielded properly to stop mains cycle ground hum. The only way so far i have found at eliminating it was with a passive ground elimination box. Like the ART dti hum eliminator... they come in 1,2 all the way to 8+ channel which absolutely will eliminate your issue. You need to âbreakâ or âliftâ the ground away from the signal.... there are more diy methods but i opted for the dti as it was cheap and worked perfectly and sounds 1:1 great!
HI mason , i have a weird problem hope you have a suggestion > My tube amp is super quiet when i go direct into it, when i put in the cable from the pedal board WITHOUT any pedals turned On , i am getting very loud noise/hum...without any volume on also from pedal.. ?? don't get it .. Help ???
Hi Mason thank you for your videos, they made me improve my pedalboard knowledge. I have just one question that can help me a lot. In order to have an On Off switch for my pedalboard instead of plug power cable directly into the wall i putted a multi-socket down in my pedalboard. I have my cioks plugged into it so when i connect my pedalboard to power i can use my swich to turn on power in my pedalboard. The question is: does the multi-socket generate EMF? If yes how can i put an on off switch down in my pedalboard? I'd like to put a switch because i think it's safer for my pedals, i'm open to change my mind :)
Depending on the multi socket you could be creating additional noise, but not in all cases. I really wanted a switch on my board but abandoned that for practical and space-saving reasons. My solution has been a 6-outlet Furman surge protector with EMI & RFI cancellation that sits near the board, which also powers my amp. I can run two MXR mini iso-bricks for the board, a 500W bass head, plus a 400W PA and a 1000W powered speaker with zero issues. Simply keeping the signal chain clean with good cables and the power conditioned & isolated means most people will be fine regardless of brands, pedals, amps, etc.
Hello Dr., how come you never talked about ground lift I want to normalize it in my board
Is the Cioks DC8 still switch mode and just as good?
Good video
Love it. Where is Mr. Bowcott? Killer staff!
So would a power supply with a rechargeable integrated battery (specifically the Joyo rechargeable power supply), as opposed to the 9 volt battery, give the same results?
depends on the design, there isn't a "one size fits all" rechargeable circuit
Hey, Mason! Terrific video! I am looking for a pedalboard and would like to ask: is it possible to use the 4-cable method with a noise gate and the patch bay of a pedalboard?
Thanks for your message, I believe we need to speak live to fully assist with your question. Four cable method isnât pedal specific at all. It all boils down to where you split the signal chain (pre-amplifier vs effects loop) and how those pedals/processors are controlled. Really need to know more specifics about your rig/rig in process to fully answer your question.
Please contact us direct with other questions as you have them!
Robert Williams, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 2371, robert_williams@sweetwater.com
Messing around playin backing tracks thru a blue tooth speaker put it on my pickups to play thru looper . I actually got morse code coming out my amp lol
What about patch cable plugs/covers touching each other or an adjacent pedal? Can that cause noise or does that not matter that much?
Well you see, those plug covers are connected to the ground in the cables, so all the chassis of all your pedals are touching anyway.
Wonât matter if all things are working properly
Do buffer pedals makes noise?
I find this kind of content most useful when it focuses my attention on things I need to worry about. And while I am a fan of Sweetwater, I don't think casting doubt on pro quality power supplies like the Voodoo Lab PP2+ or solderless cables was a good use of my time. Also, I would feel more comfortable if these recommendations came from a different spokesperson.
It's true, solderless cables are inferior to soldered cables. It's true, a linear power supply will have drawbacks compared to the switching power supply. Nothing said here is untrue. Sub the spokesman, it doesn't change the facts.
What board is that with the 2 layers?
Stuff he builds. Look him up as âThe rig doctorâ
Think it's a vertex pedalboard they have a bunch of that type
Theyâre listed in the description
Hi. What's my alternative for velcoros? I want my pedals to be in place but I want another option other than velcro. Thanks!
3M Dual Lock is what he has previously recommended, as well as other peeps on YT such as Rhett Shull and the lads on That Pedal Show
Hi Sandaux Beats! Take a look at Aclam guitars pedalboard system! No velcro and pedals stay safe
@@gerardlopez4109 Thank you, good sir!
@@SandauxBeats What Dtyelr5603 said!
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! I'm checking for non-Velcro or non-3M Dual Lock alternative.
I very much want Cioks to call their 8-slot the DC-8, so it would fit into my aviation/space themed pedalboard.
DC-7 is not QUITE large enough for what I am doing.
Is a pedal power 2 like the chocks one you have there, or is it the old school type ?
Itâs a linear supply, old school
Never had a problem with voodoo lab power supply and have used them for many years under my board. J.S.
@@erpringle pedal power 2 will be the least problematic because it's steel. The aluminum linear supplies that followed it are the ones that typically are more tricky to use without noise if you put them in the wrong location on the board.
@@VertexEffectsInc just don't put them near a wah.
@@erpringle that's one place that you'll have an issue (wah because of the inductor, especially if it doesn't have a mumetal can around it), but you can also have issues just running audio lines in the magnetic field. The linear power supply models with aluminum chassises will have many more problems with this and it'll be way more problematic with pedals or cables that come into the field.
what kind of 1/4 in jacks do you use?
moogami
Is strymon zuma switch mode ?
Thats what I want to know? I use a VooDoo Labs ISO-5 and a Strymon Zuma and both are whisper quiet. Furman 6 outlet from the wall - too.
@@michael_caz_nyc do you find that the strymon is quieter ?
@@KunchangLeeMusic Only in relation to where I place my Wah pedal. I can put my Wah right-next to the Zuma, but not next to the ISO, but they are both very-Quiet. Using all Mogami cables too.
Yes
595 thumbs up, and 29 people who can't hear the tips because their pedalboard is too noisy.
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I LMAO at that battery supply.
This kicks ass, Sweetwater. And so does Mason. Thank you.
I LMAO at that battery supply. We guitarists are truly a finicky bunch.
seriously! And apparently they swear by putting the cheap dollar store batteries in there.
@@graxjpg It's all about reduced voltage, cheap batteries die faster, but Eric Johnson still swears by Duracell đ
@@frankgenusa8453 if itâs good enough for him, itâs good enough for me!
I couldnât believe it. You know what is a true isolated power supply? A battery... inside of a pedal. Itâs one thing if you are trying to market it as an easy way to swap out batteries without pulling the pedal off your board or needing a screw driver, but to try and say that the batteries are more isolated in this enclosure they built versus the pedal housing is literally laughable
Mason is the best in the business!
I know you as the guy who rebranded a BBE wah and sold it as your own for $400. Sweetwater should know this too and not associate with the likes of you. No room for D-bags in the pedal game. Not cool!
That's just the tip of the iceberg. The guy is a career conman. I'm definitely redirecting my purchases away from Sweetwater after seeing this. Gross
This video is just one sales pitch
Sunbeam batteries in there? Seriously?
the guys who swear by batteries often swear by cheap batteries. Zinc. It's a thing, apparently.
@@aaronashear3002 Iâm gonna look into that! I prefer not to have to change them so often, or even think about them so I like workaholics. Seems like a crazy thing to prefer cheap batteries
@@graxjpg Mason did another video about these cheap batteries and how their charge depletes versus higher end 9V. From what I can remember, it has something to do with slightly depriving your vintage pedals of energy as if it were a battery charge from that era. Might be Mason that talked about it, or it might be the old roady they call Squiggy down at my local dive, it's been awhile =P
@@jwstout007 wanting a depleted charge seems literally ridiculous, when you consider reliability. To design a power supply that would act how he wants would not take a genius.
@@graxjpg there are some vintage fuzz that sound great on 7'5v for example. A cheap battery can do this, a alkaline one doesn't.
Tip 1: Buy a Line 6 Helix.
The best tip for a quieter pedalboard would be to tell mason to shut the hell up.
I'm guessing "sawder" is solder.
hahahah, yes! A consequence of being an American.
@@VertexEffectsInc haha I thought so!
I just lost a lot of respect for sweetwater.
It's ok. I just gained some so it all evens out ; )
Definitely that guy is a disease.
Just started watching this guy. What's wrong w him?
@@christian_silo he has a history of lying and scamming people, his most famous one is the rebadge BBE wah sold as the axis wah for twice the price getting caught and started threatening people until it was not possible to lie and then spin that into "I learned my lesson" just google vertex and bbe wah, vertex and bonamassa letter, (He scammed bonamasssa too) vertex and landau (landau was ashamed of having his name attached to this crook) Also the lies about the belden cables, using other peoples board as his own built to get customers, lying about how his boost pedal works, lying about cloning pedals saying he has research and created circuits, insulting analogman and keeley, saying they are fake boutique, I could go on and on but you get the idea.
Don't believe me, look for the info.
But I'm never giving one cent to this scammer when there are so many great builders out there.
Shame on Sweetwater for promoting someone like him.
@@Erickchicas I suppose you ransom every business that you deal with to share your point of view with this "or else" attitude. Mason did about as good of a job as I've ever seen a company do with a public screw up like this. If only our banks, our pharmaceuticals companies, our politicians were willing to resolve things and be accountable in such a way. Please point me to someone that screw up like this and did a better job than Mason did in resolving it? Please? As someone that owned his wah pedal and was paid back in full I feel I'm a more appropriate person to be outraged than you are.
Are there any budget-friendly options? This guy wants you to spend your whole paycheck for a pair of freaking mogami cables đ
Six Tips for a Quieter Pedalboard
1. Fire your bassist
2. ...
tips for quieter board.... "buy a new power supply" yeah no thanks my walrus one should do fine..SHOULD. I can't tame my ampeg scrambler clone or my wah
Why is this just one big commercial rant for your product that most guitarists like me really donât need and canât afford? I actually thought thereâd be a thing or two mentioned that would be beneficial, but alas, there wasnât. đđŒđđŒđđŒđđŒđđŒ
Oh this guy again. Only thing this pedal gooper does is make me trust Sweetwater less.
I like to pronounce cioks CY-OX