PiDAL: the Raspberry Pi as a TIDAL CONNECT streamer
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0:00 What's TIDAL Connect?
2:32 HifiBerry
8:40 Volumio
14:06 Further musings
Tidal Connect: Who? What? Why?:
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Tidal Connect for beginners:
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Spoti-Pi:
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Volumio + Tidal Connect:
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Raspberry Pi 4 + heatsink case:
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Helm Bolt:
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AudioQuest DragonFly Cobalt:
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I like that you spent so much time on the whole Raspberry Pi ecosystem. Attainable quality audio for the hobbyist. I hope you keep following this line.
I just recently discovered your channel and I really want to say thank you. You keep a very open mind about a wide variety of ways to listen to music. I really like how you explained how one man's budget can greatly limit what his max audio options are. Knowing you take that into account reassures this viewer that you are going to bring all the best options to us and let us decided. Thank you again.
Damn, I just really love your videos they feel like they were produced by a channel 5 times your size with 20 times the budget. I love the editing style.
Great job John. This is why I love your content. Always trying ways to enjoy music.
John, thank you for your videos about the raspberry pi. I was looking at the bluenode and other streamers, but got the raspberry pi and installed volumio on it. Works great, sounds great... Love it!
Thanks John. Becoming an audiophile since the beginning of COVID-19 helped me. Bravo to your high quality videos.
Thanks for the update. I just updated my Volumio. At this time all I have is a drive connected with Flac files of CD. Since I just lost the job at hospital I will hold off on tidal or anything else for time being. Thanks for starting me on this journey.
Thx John for the update on Volumio. I have two Pi based dacs did a update on both and had Tidal connect working within a hour. I’m pleased with the results much better way to stream Tidal on these devices.
Hurray!!!!! Been waiting for this breakthrough. Major thanks
Excellent. I love a good fiddle with kit too. Glad to see that not everyone is promoting just the mega priced solutions. Not that I wouldn't go for some of those if I had the cash, of course.
You are a pleasure to watch. Complicated material put very simply. Thank you.😀
Love this Raspberry Pi stuff! I've been considering a move to Tidal, but I think I'm going to hold off until Spotify go lossless. Just comfortable with the Spotify app!
Thanks for this kind of videos. After last vid of the rpi4, I bought one last week. Now I'm running it with moode straight with USB into my cxa80. And using bubble upnp for qobuz and tidal streaming. The sound of my system changed and opend up so much in a good way instead of chrome cast that I'm used to use. It's like I have a whole new hifi system.
Superb. Many thanks for this, its been a long time coming.
I’m holding out for Qobuz Connect.
Brave initiative, John. Am enjoying both Tidal Connect and Qobuz by means of my Bluesound Node 2i.
Thank you! I purchased a Rsdpberry Pi 4 and a Boss DAC hat, got it up and running and now enjoy using Volumio with my audio system. Really appreciate your exposition of the journey, it’s an exciting time to be part of the audiophile universe now!
If I already have a usb dac, do I need a dac hat? Thanks
@@justonemmett8604 The Boss DAC connects to my Raspberry PI 4 and converts the PI's digital audio to analog output that feeds into my speaker amplifier. The hat term means that the board plugs into the Pi 4 40 pin on board connector for a compact unit. There are USB DAC uniits that John Darko has reviewed so a DAC HAT is not needed for quality convert digital audio conversion from a PI 4.
I wasn't aware of HifiBerry OS. Minimal and effective. That's all I was looking for my Raspberry Pi. Thank you for sharing.
I hope they extend tidal connect even further like spotify connect. Great video John👌🏼👌🏼
I like how you're honest. I am just starting to get into HIFI home audio and a DIY'er. I am never satisfied with my equipment lol I feel I can always get better
Omg tidal connect finally afforfable ,thanks for bring it to me, I will start the project!
Waiting for spotify Hifi, what that will bring, i hope far more than 7%, cd quality will do! Thanks for a again a nice video John. Also for bringing Poligon Window into my room! 👌
I don't think you got the difference between Hi-Fi and the 24Bit MQA...
Spotify should be able to have over 95% of their library in simple Hi-Fi, as the competition does...
I think the hi-res stuff is relevant for newer albums that get released but I get the point overall that its a small part of the library. Keep up the great stuff, John and team! I love the point on streaming convenience though! I've mostly moved to using Spotify Connect as the default option to enjoy music, first and foremost, on my KEF LSX. If only the chips inside had the ability to run Tidal Connect as well.
Great video John.
Great info.
Thank you as always👍
Great timing! Abandoning my noisy MacBook for a RP with digione signature this week. Tidal connect on Volumio is exciting.
awsome video, loved that it saved us some time. Although Volumio is yet another cut, its getting better all the time.
The intro music is starting to hollow out it's own space. Great
Very useful. Like the unintentional pun at then end: 'hats off....'
Great video, and I love how you geek on this stuff. It's not as elegant but I have been streaming Tidal to my Pi using LMS. Just another alternative. 👍
How does it differ from the Tidal connect? They both stream directly to the Pi I think, unlike a Bluetooth or Airplay connection.
@@Patricia-kk8tr Similar, but what I have is a plugin for LMS, so it uses the LMS/Squeeze interface. Advantage - it integrates seamlessly with my own library of music files on a share. Disadvantage - a bit fussy to set up, and not as elegant looking a UI. You're correct - both stream audio bits straight from Tidal to the device, not through my phone. The phone app is just a controller. Turn the phone off and the music keeps playing.
Get the Raspbery Pi 4b and usb audio works flawlessly, I use it to output audio on my Cambridge Audio CXA61 via USB async. Issue with RPi3 was that the usb and Lan were sharing the same bus
Just recently got my first pair of head phones, the Philps X2HRs I think, really an eyeopener, kinda fell down a rabbit hole and found this channel and I'm loving all the information I'm learning
I’ve had mine for a while and I love them, paired em with an Ifi Zen Dac
John if you haven't already you must check out Richter's album Voices, especially the tracks chorale PT. 1-4
This is a great solution for getting Tidal Connect up and running. Just completed my setup last night with the dragonfly cobalt and it was fairly simple. One issue regarding MQA on this setup. I notice that the Dragonfly led only lights up blue instead of purple on MQA songs and then green on everything else. Seems a bit odd... But Tidal Connect is the big win here with MQA being an added bonus.
OMG ! Unbelievable ! Thank you so much John. I have just tried it in my Raspberry Pi-4 (w 4gb ram), together with my Denafrips Ares II playing music @384Khz (better SQ in my system) or @768Khz either in its amazing web interface of Volumio or via Roon. My standard system is Aries G2.1 together with Sirius G2.1. Honestly ... I don't know which system Pi4-Volumio or my Auralics is better! There is definitely a potential here. And I mean that comparison of Volumio (together with a Linear Power supply) with expensive high end streamers !
I have been using Volumio for a couple of years. I am currently running on a pi-zero W with a pimoroni dac shim. I have a hard drive on my network that has a couple of gig's of music I have collected. The FLAC's of live performances sound awesome. My system is only about $250 in total with speakers and amp, pi, etc. It is a little slow to get started (the pi zero is pretty wimpy) but it is something I can take in my pocket and connect anywhere I have wifi or cellular and stream all of my music or pretty much any service that volumio supports. The community on volumio has been great to help me with gotchas over time. I could put a much nicer DAC on it for $100 but for my needs, it is perfectly adequate. Thanks for the great content and for spreading the word that great-sounding audio doesn't have to be expensive.
I was able to get my Raspberry Pi set up with Volumio, configured, and using Tidal Connect in less than an hour. I already had a Raspberry Pi laying around and a subscription to Tidal so the $35 a year for Volumio wasn't a big deal. In fact, after spending some time using Volumio I think it is a screaming deal. For the money, this is hard to beat, especially when you compare the price to plug and play network streamers on the market. So stoked on this!
Using it with my pi4 and get full MQA 384khz on my Topping D90 MQA on usb.
Got some pops and klicks, but i changed buffering setting and it got mutch better.
Using it with Ifi usb purifier 3 to, sounds just great.
Better than my intel Nuc computer i was using before.
Don’t underestimate the power of honest efforts to share the good news! This review started me on four month quest for a Pi Streamer for Tidal connect. It took four months, the purchase of an AV receiver and an IFI DAC (after a HELM BOLT), help from a tech at Volumio, and faith the end result would be there and be worthwhile. Mission accomplished!!!! Streaming as it should be for $300 less. Thanks again and keep em coming. Two requests. Please review some Magnat speakers (503) and a Kinky Studio amp!
I’ve a BOSS i2S DAC, RASP hat in the post, this video has sort of answered all my question, quite excited now. It’s probably not the best DAC out there but a good starting point. Presently use Apple Music so will have to switch to Tidal I think.
My Spotify (and connect) running on volumio and pi, just started streaming 16 44.1 this week (according to volumio app). Everything I've played thus far. Last week just 320kbps. I have a "premium" account and I'm in the US. The advantage is I'm not a my Volumio subscriber.
Thanks for your great videos.
I got my Allo usbridge signature and connect it to Volumio and Tidal Master, and from the usb on front i add USB IR and use also remote control, just perfect machine and thanks to Volumio, btw John i have it about a month ago but yes it is something new
Great job again. Nice video.. go ahead
The latest version of Volumio has Tidal connect, and you don’t have to do anything to set it up. And it works with USB DAC’s and HAT’s.
Hello John - I followed your recommendation from months ago, (Pi-squeeze video) and bought a HiFi Berry Raspberry Pi with a Digi+ HAT - loaded it with the piCorePlayer OS, and using LMS on my PC or, on my android phone, using the Orange Squeeze app, I stream Tidal to my Schiit Modi DAC to my Bottlehead Crack tube headphone amp, or my stereo setup, Cambridge CXA60 amp and B&W 685 s2 speakers. Works perfect! I think I'll stick with this setup, no need to pay for Volumio.
Agree John, I just want to throw tidal onto my Mac from my phone where it plays through dragonfly to my Geneva xxl. Would love to know when that remote tidal connect is coming. Volume control is also interesting for me.
Been waiting for Tidal connect support on my Innuos Zen for sometime. Looks like their new software update and app will only have full integration with Qobuz at launch, but they're looking to roll out full support for Tidal at a later date. Guess I'll have to hang on a bit longer!
That's so weird. I just within the last two weeks used Volumio and have a Tidal Connect setup. Worked like a charm. Though you do have to fork over a few bucks to Volumio.
Great content!
Hey John, great video. Did you notice audio quality differences between RPi3b+ and the RPi4b? The 4b sounds so much worse to me - would be glad to hear about your experience. Cheers, love your videos.
In your video you said installing the tidal connect is impossible in Volumio but actually tidal connect is included already with the Paid Membership in Volumio , all you hv to do is to pay for the membership thingy and upgrade it, tidal connect is there working perfectly.
Same setup with the audioquest cobalt dac playing what you said, Max Richter sleep in MQA and the light doesn't turn purple to signify mqa, stays blue.
It'd be interesting to see what a Pi-streamer could bring to the table in comparison to a laptop when it comes to headphone DACs like the RME ADI etc. I like the idea of improving my source but I'm not sure it is worth the trade-off in convenience factor. If anyone has any experience with this kind of setup feel free to share your thoughts.
Hey John, I managed to get my RPI-4 via Dietpi connected to Tidal connect with my Iphone. I used Diepi with Allo Boss, then I loaded Google Home on my iphone. After a bit of config in Google home I went back to Tidal Connect opened a screen to pick the endpoint, then pick Airplay & Blue tooth. My screen has a choice for Dietpi. Guess what it works and the best part of this is you can run the volume up and down with the hard buttons on my phone.
I got on board the Pi-train thanks to one of your videos a while back. Currently working on a nice wood and glass housing with a built in display to put the Pi front and center in my setup.
I have a question about volumio though - what do you think of the CD ripping feature of volumio with a standard USB CD drive, in terms of the potential quality you can get out of it? Interested in your thoughts on the topic.
Thanks so much. I've had my eye on an Allo Usbridge, but lack of Tidal Connect support kept me from pulling the trigger. This is great news!
with the Raspberry Pi 3B plus you can send the signal directly via the USB port to, for example, the Denon pma-600ne.with volumio you can perfectly stream music such as Nas server, spotify and perhaps also TIDAL payment. the Dac of the Denon is exceptionally great. sounds even better than the hifiberry hat, HiFiBerry DAC RCA+ Pro this is equivalent to the Bluesound node 2i
I finally decided to jump in :) It is excellent for the price. I was about the buy the innuos mini but this one with an external dac do the trick for me. Specially with Tidal connect and Qobuz available.
I wonder if you have tried the cd player add on ? I'm waiting for my cd drive to come to try it and rip my collection.
I tried the pie 4 with an linear power supply, a good one with an oversized toroidal transformer and regulated : wow !
I think it's amazing that people can differentiate between 2 good DACS.
While telling apart a laptop or android built in DAC from say a Chord Mojo or a Fiio K3 is easy, comparing top tier DACS is no easy feat.
Hey John, great video. Just getting into audio on the Pi and wanted to check out the heatsink case link. It doesn't seem to go to the right target though. What case are you using in this video?
Great review John, so a question I have is I have the HiFiberry Hat on my Ri4 using Ropieee if I change OS to Volunio will Tidal Connect work? Cheers Barry
For me Tidal connect is far more important than MQA. Both are amazing bits of software, one lets me find and listen to music with ease and other makes me go looking for MQA versions of albums.
Hey John. Thank you for the great videos. What is your opinion on Amazon Music HD?
Hi there, I just stared to be interested more in the sound quality and founding your explanations are on-point and make it really easy to understand the usually complex theme. I am using Hi-fi Marantz M-CR612 and Speakers Dynaudio M20. I chose Marantz primarely because of direct Tidal connect (user-friendliness). I stream music through TIDAL over WI-FI via HEOS application (when using smart phone) or directly through Tidal app if streaming over desktop computer. Would kindly ask for recommendations on how to get the best possible quality with the current equipment. Tnx
Excellent topic to do a video about a raspberry pi streamer! This inspired me to build a Pi zero Audio-Streamer which runs volumio and plays the TIDAL Master files. And using the Connect function works nicely. For the size and functionality it is absolutely brilliant. The only technical question that comes up, How does the Connect function work?! I thought you just tell the Streamer to play as an end point, but for me it seems to be an Airplay&Bluetooth Connection. How is the Connect functionality solved in more high-end products like the Bluesound powernode?! Because e.g. when I am sitting on the couch and listen to music via TIDAL Connect I want to watch a CZcams video (latest darko audio news) and then the sound plays via the Pi zero. Would that be the same on the Bluesound Ecosystem?! Thanks a lot in advance for any experience shared in the comments. Keep on rockin’
Im on roon using ropieee. All thanks to you John. Im not sure i could ever leave roon. Feel like a customer for life
Congrats on getting that to work! I know how good that feels. As for Tidal Connect, maybe I am missing something. I have a Raspberry Pi 4 running Ropieee to which I can stream as a Roon endpoint. What does Tidal Connect support on a Raspberry Pi potentially do for me that I don't already have with Roon? And I would much rather be using Roon than any of the streaming services' apps. I am curious, what have I missed? What is the value proposition for Tidal Connect or Any Service Connect over Roon? One other point, I recently migrated from Tidal to Qobuz and was quite surprised to see how many albums Qobuz has now in hi-rez format. Many more than Tidal, at least for my library. Qobuz has been pretty busy so I would bet those 5-7% figures need to be updated. Thanks for your great reviews! Always fun to listen.
Just ordered my PI 😊
I managed to setup perfectly with Tidal. It's interesting over Bluetooth all my music much more articulated with airy, fresh high and mid range with Pi over a noname usb cable I lose all the above but get punchy low frequencies.
Arcam Irdac mk1, Arcam Bluetooth receiver, Arcam A19 & Dali Ikon 6 mk2
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Hi John, thanks for the video.
I use two RPis, one with HAT DAC, one with outboard USB DAC and have a Volumio Virtuoso plan on one of them, on which I have Tidal Connect for two weeks already.
Previous version of Volumio (I think it was 2.878) was not reliable, but so far, the new version (2.882) works fine.
I noticed one thing, though, whatever the OS I was using on RPi: sound quality seams noticeably better to me if I use wired connection instead of WiFi. I wonder if anyone else notices the same issue?
Hi John, it would be great to get some review on how to get the best audio from a PC to desktop speakers and headphones. I am considering that journey starting with KEF LS50 Meta. Just need to pick out a suitable amp/dac and connection to PC, probably via USB.
Awesome 👏🏻! I use a pi4 feed to SMSL DP5 Dac with Volumio, it’s decode Mqa smoothly, is any different if I use tidal connect on Volumio?
Tried it with volumio and had problems with the tidal connect basically freezing when switching between albums when using the tidal app from my iPhone as the controller - only a full hardware reset would bring it back to life - would be interesting to know if I’m alone with this problem or if others are having issues as well ?
Hello John, I hope you are having a great day. Now that LG is gone, what do you think about the Sony Xperia 1 mark III phone???
You already convinced me to go the Express route. 🙂
I'm on the PowerNode 2i, and very grateful.
Hey John! What do you think about the Yamaha MusicCast WXAD-10? It is almost that what you were trying to do in the first place (streamer with dac and analog outputs) and it is low priced. Unfortunately there are no digital outputs to connect a different dac.
Thank you so much for turning me on to this solution , I have 1 into my amp & speakers & another into amp & headphones, works perfectly!
John, anyway to setup a Rasberry Pi that will work with Amazon HD Music (I have seen your Spotify and Tidal videos, all excellent by the way) . . .thanks . . .You can call it Piazon or AmaPi . . .
I still stream from a MacBook and it’s frustrating that even with this update that I still can’t control my laptop from my Tidal phone app unless I purchase Volumio.
Love this! As soon as i read on your site that TIDAL Connect were available on Volumio i got to the store and got myself another microsd card.
Took out the card with Ropieee on it and got up and running with Volumio. Thinking that i would have to switch between the OS, because i use my RPI4 as a Roon endpoint. But as you mention in the video Volumio does both! Great!
My only niggle is that my Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital (say that fast a couple of times), does have trouble with Mqa when it does both decoding and rendering. (It drops and glitches) Works better with just rendering via Roon and the core decoding. It’s not the end of the world,but if something has a function i would like it to work and i like having the possibility to listen to Mqa.
But that said,i’m really Looking forward to the dac reviews ! 👍🏼🎧
Hi, were you able to hook up pre box S2 with your RPi4 just fine ? Via USB or toslink?
Hi John. Who's the artist that makes the pictures you have in the walls? Thanks
Nice video. I'm searching for a similar solution to stream the music directly to my amp.
But the music was a bit loud and also in my opinion a bit too much.
Hi, John. I write about tidal, volumio and the denafrips ares 2 you mentioned you're reviewing. I know you're not focused on hi-res streaming or hi-res music in general - and I get where you are coming from. However, please note that there's an easy and ostensibly free option in that volumio allows you to up sample files. I've been using the ares 2 with volumio running on an Allo USBridge Signature for about a year now. I A/B tested all the options, and I now upsample tidal in volumio to 384khz and then in the ares 2 I oversample the upsampled files. This might sound like a lot of trouble. But I do it because to my ears this produces the best sound quality with LS50s paired with a REL T7i sub and driven by a Rogue Sphinx V2 amp. Please note this "hack" doesn't work with tidal connect. You have to use the clunky (but improving) volumio app.
Lastly, a big thank you to you and your colleagues for creating such great content for music-first audiophiles. I'm a big fan of your website and your CZcams channel!
Thanks again, and best of wishes,
Veli
Can you share the make/model of that Pi case? I like the look of that one.
Cambridge CXN V2 had a firmware update this week, and I notice Tidal Connect there now
Yup, the update even covers my few years old Stream Magic 6(v2)! Thanks Cambridge Audio! 🙏🏻
@@gwingrider07 there is nothing on the Stream Magic page mentioning Stream 6. Do you get the same update as current models?
Thank you John...Its because of your amazing video’s on Raspberry Pi...I am able to revive and enjoy music on my old SONY Hi-fi system again
Did John buy those Wilson's? Also, I've noticed the PS Audio monos...are those his reference amp/speaker combo?
John..have you ever listened to your sound system w your speakers facing you from behind at a 45 degree angle; similar to how you record your blogs?
John, are the Transport and DAC hats worth it with an RPi 4? Or is USB the way to go?
Do you have DAC hat on the pi 4 or is it from usb to dac?
Does it need to be a USB DAC or will a HAT DAC (something like the ALLO boss) also work with this?
Tidal connect on volumio works great, but for some reason I get alot of clicks and pops with it. I'm using a Allo USBridge Signature so noise shouldnt be an issue.
Any benefit to the pi over chromecast audio for tidal connect
Hi Darko, have you tried running Roon bridge on a Rasp Pi using RoPieee and a USB DAC? I'm just wondering if it supports MQA and is good option for existing Roon customers.
Great video John - thank you! If I wanted to connect the volumio pi to KEF LS50 Wireless v1s (optical input) what would I use to convert the USB signal into optical?
Get a hat. Hifiberry Digi+ Pro should work fine.
Interesting but is it as good as a Dell XPS with an Asus Essence STXII sound card or a Denon CEOL. Might give it a go though just out of interest.
Hello John, you talk about the hifiberry software but in the video you click on your phone on volumio in tidal connect? It’s a bit confusing wich software I can use on my raspberry pi with tidal.
I hope you will follow up this eventually (if you find out) why you didn't get this to work on ropi. Wrong combo of package versions present on pi, or do berryos and volumio do some proprietary shenanigans that are not publicly available?
Neubauten... Eisbär.. you certainly make an effort to go full Leberwurst :) I just started Tidal mainly to give Ek the finger he deserves but as you mentioned, the beauty of it all is that my amp speaks Spotify natively, while for Tidal or others I have to go through Heos, and that just isn't nice, at all. So hooray hifi quality, but now I have several new maintenance vectors with a range of responsible parties (or sometimes there won't even be a party assuming responsibility, RasPi foundation won't care if that external hat doesn't work or if the 3rd party OS can't do this thing or that thing): a Pi, a modified OS (updates? ITsec?), additional hardware (USB DAC I might just plug into a 50EUR tablet off local ads and keep near my hifi spot), a _subscription_ to a service that provides the data path to the hifi system, an annual subscription --- I think it's easier and more reliable to put a USB sound card with digital outputs of any band on a pi, add an SSD with all my CDs ripped to in CD quality and have a web interface on top.
I'd like to see LMS update its Tidal plug-in to include Tidal Connect and MQA.