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  • čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
  • What is Windows 11 Actually collecting? In this video I investigate what data microsoft sends home on your day to day usage.
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Komentáře • 770

  • @chamber_hiro256
    @chamber_hiro256 Před 2 měsíci +2239

    What a waste of bandwidth

    • @matthewrease2376
      @matthewrease2376 Před 2 měsíci +215

      I mean the packets probably aren't huge. I'd be more concerned about the principle of data collection than the bandwidth it uses.

    • @5Hydroxytryptophan
      @5Hydroxytryptophan Před 2 měsíci +43

      ​@@matthewrease2376 I think the comment was about the video.. it is Rather lacking content and advertises a paid tool.

    • @lmaoboxuser
      @lmaoboxuser Před 2 měsíci

      paid??​@@5Hydroxytryptophan

    • @xXRealXx
      @xXRealXx Před 2 měsíci +111

      @@5Hydroxytryptophan O&O Shutup is free

    • @5Hydroxytryptophan
      @5Hydroxytryptophan Před 2 měsíci +32

      @@xXRealXx Okay, good to know. I'm not using Windows anymore. But still, the video has really little information.. the telemetry is not immediate, so he should have invested more time into research.

  • @CuteSkyler
    @CuteSkyler Před 2 měsíci +1335

    With computers getting more powerful, the OS's on them seem to be running slower. Such a weird coincidence.

    • @Doomsdayparade
      @Doomsdayparade Před 2 měsíci +84

      Linux is significantly better in that regard. Even on the more heavyweight distros.

    • @kevinrineer5356
      @kevinrineer5356 Před 2 měsíci +54

      I'm going to echo @Doomsdayparade that I've noticed Microsoft Windows has quite a few design decisions that make it run poorly. The stuffing ads, recommendations, ai, and a whole bunch of other features while the Microsoft kernel already isn't good at handing starting and stopping processes quickly is my guess as to why. I think the Microsoft kernel is an unwieldy Frankenstein of engineering make up decisions that the technical debt of the kernel is probably insurmountable.
      I don't work at Microsoft, so I I'm only positing my guess based off being IT support.

    • @p0xygen
      @p0xygen Před 2 měsíci +30

      ​@@kevinrineer5356It's to be expected when Microsoft keeps building upon a system that never had a good foundation in the first place, while trying to keep everything from 25+ years ago compatible with today's systems.

    • @DraxilSpada-vc2wg
      @DraxilSpada-vc2wg Před 2 měsíci +35

      Windows 11, still compatible with Windows 3 applications[Windows 3, still compatible with QDOS applications!]. This is what we like to call the "tower of bubble gum and popsicle sticks"

    • @Nikolai508
      @Nikolai508 Před 2 měsíci +10

      By OS you mean Windows, Linux these days is so easy I don’t know why more people haven’t moved to it.

  • @Instagramclips69
    @Instagramclips69 Před 2 měsíci +792

    Doing anything locally on your system shouldn't require an internet connection.

    • @EraYaN
      @EraYaN Před 2 měsíci +30

      But having search suggestions shown is not “doing something locally” now is it? And frankly opening a program these days also isn’t most of them fire off at least one update check request or just a data request to get your login state, avatar etc.

    • @user-in2cs1vp6o
      @user-in2cs1vp6o Před 2 měsíci +134

      ​@@EraYaNThe people complaining about telemetry are not the people who want internet search in their task bar. Kinda irrelevant

    • @nezu_cc
      @nezu_cc Před 2 měsíci +28

      Well it doesn't "require" a connection, never did, but it will use one if it's available.

    • @Shizaho
      @Shizaho Před měsícem

      @@EraYaN If I type something in the search bar, I want it to search my computer. If I type something in a search engine in my browser, I want it to search the internet. Simple as that.

    • @oo--7714
      @oo--7714 Před měsícem

      ​@@user-in2cs1vp6ointernet searcg is fine on a taskbar.

  • @jooch_exe
    @jooch_exe Před 2 měsíci +620

    AMD, Intel: "IPC has increased!"
    Microsoft: "Good, let's waste that IPC with telemetry and tell users they need to upgrade their hardware so they don't notice."

    • @macicoinc9363
      @macicoinc9363 Před 2 měsíci +73

      It’s really quite beautiful isn’t it? The decades and trillions of dollars in hardware research just being thrown away to give you utter garbage.

    • @deathhog
      @deathhog Před 2 měsíci +22

      ​@@macicoinc9363Not thrown away at all.
      It gets daddy Microsoft more money.
      They love it.

    • @TheBigLou13
      @TheBigLou13 Před 2 měsíci +10

      All in the name of Privacy, Security and Safety!

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 Před 23 dny +4

      I am sure Intel and amd don't mind

    • @hcolider2817
      @hcolider2817 Před 21 dnem +1

      ​@@deathhog achieving valued goals and desired outcomes is more valuable than any amount of profit ever could be

  • @kmg501
    @kmg501 Před 2 měsíci +1478

    There should be zero collection, your tolerance is the problem.

    • @Max15691
      @Max15691 Před 2 měsíci +96

      Problem is that most software do this stuff already, even the beloved Firefox, so I can get why he has some tolerance 😢

    • @TVPInterpolation
      @TVPInterpolation Před 2 měsíci +89

      depends on the perspective. im against how microsoft is handling the data, not that they collect data. users usually dont do proper bug reports, so telemetry for this case as an example would be beneficial.

    • @Carlos-kh5qu
      @Carlos-kh5qu Před 2 měsíci +160

      ​​@@TVPInterpolation funny enough, a gamedev on reddit said that despite being only 13% of the playerbase, Linux users were responsible for 60% of bug reports on his game and would go till the end to help out

    • @ilonachan
      @ilonachan Před 2 měsíci +86

      ​@@Max15691 but that's not really an excuse, is it. First of all, non-optional telemetry is ILLEGAL. Just plain up not allowed under EU law, and they do that shit anyway. Second, even open source software that has telemetry will by necessity be more transparent about it, and more open to allowing the user to disable it, which already improves the situation.

    • @LilZesty
      @LilZesty Před 2 měsíci +11

      @@Carlos-kh5qu this is nothing more than a reference to a racist joke. that 'gamedev' aint telling the truth

  • @DarthSack
    @DarthSack Před 2 měsíci +154

    Every breath you take
    And every move you make
    Every bond you break
    Every step you take
    it'll be watching you

    • @themirrazz
      @themirrazz Před 21 dnem +7

      every file you make, every registry item you break

    • @SuperStarMan62
      @SuperStarMan62 Před 19 dny +4

      every search you make, every feature you break

  • @doughnut_panda
    @doughnut_panda Před 2 měsíci +895

    We get robbed twice. We pay a bucket load of money for a OS and then we get our data stolen.

    • @debrainwasher
      @debrainwasher Před 2 měsíci

      This is the Economy 4.0 according to its inventor Klaus Schwab (also founder of the WEF): Everything is turned into a service. A purchase does not longer constitute property, but is in fact a license to use a particular good for a limited amount of time and in accordance with the marketing concepts of the supplier. Therefore, you own nothing. Not even your data, your time and your attention. But you will be happy. Welcome in the really existing neofeudalism!

    • @Tantakugames
      @Tantakugames Před 2 měsíci +89

      who tf pays for windows?

    • @doughnut_panda
      @doughnut_panda Před 2 měsíci +43

      @@Tantakugames my company.

    • @steel5897
      @steel5897 Před 2 měsíci +55

      I don't pay a cent and I block 95% of the telemetry (the 5% is required for some core stuff to function).
      I'd have dropped Windows for Linux if didn't use my PC primarily for gaming.

    • @doughnut_panda
      @doughnut_panda Před 2 měsíci

      @@steel5897 if I get a inspection you know what happens.

  • @raul0ca
    @raul0ca Před 2 měsíci +266

    I expect the camera on my Windows laptop to follow what I look at and lower my social credit score appropriately

    • @Lord-Sméagol
      @Lord-Sméagol Před 2 měsíci +14

      That's sure to be the case in China!

    • @DuncDog
      @DuncDog Před 2 měsíci +33

      If the cameras on the majority of Windows notebooks weren't dogshit, that may actually be a threat lol.

    • @SirRichard94
      @SirRichard94 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@Lord-Sméagolthat is already a thing in america. Many jobs require you to be tracked like that.

    • @Cybercerialdestroyer
      @Cybercerialdestroyer Před měsícem +13

      @@Lord-Sméagol dude stop deflecting all of this on China this is about America

    • @frizzyfrank2985
      @frizzyfrank2985 Před měsícem +5

      @@Cybercerialdestroyerum last time I checked China legitimately has a social credit score program and the US does not

  • @JV-pu8kx
    @JV-pu8kx Před 2 měsíci +344

    The fact that it sends something to their servers while I am _not_ doing anything that would require access to a server somewhere not on my premises is enough for me!

    • @gabriel55ita
      @gabriel55ita Před 27 dny +2

      Literally requests for windows update or apps install and update related. It's not new ms collect a lot of data but you can disable it and it won't anymore. Telemetry is good when it is clearly stated what it does and what data it collects, with the possibility to disable it. For example for an application crash report it's very useful to the developers because most of the time a user won't send it manually

    • @flopin9528
      @flopin9528 Před 23 dny

      App updates.

    • @linuxramblingproductions8554
      @linuxramblingproductions8554 Před 18 dny +1

      @@gabriel55itathats not really true Microsoft has been caught collecting telemetry with settings disabled

    • @gabriel55ita
      @gabriel55ita Před 18 dny

      @@linuxramblingproductions8554 for legal purposes it's not something sensitive obviously, you know that would cause them a huge problem. It's probably something more bland like crash log/defender asking the server if it knows a suspicious file for example

  • @Acetyl53
    @Acetyl53 Před 2 měsíci +246

    The future turned out not only malicious, but kind of braindead too. The sheer waste, the sloppiness in obfuscation, the passivity of the general population.

    • @mekelopte7071
      @mekelopte7071 Před 2 měsíci +10

      Unwashed masses accepting malovent rulers to guide them through age. Classic

    • @macicoinc9363
      @macicoinc9363 Před 2 měsíci +28

      @@mekelopte7071 You smite the people, and not the oppressor? It sounds like you are no different than then those responsible for this mess.

    • @magoleo-pr7if
      @magoleo-pr7if Před 2 měsíci +7

      Dumb people being dumb and evil corporations being evil are not mutually exclusive things

    • @mekelopte7071
      @mekelopte7071 Před 2 měsíci

      @@macicoinc9363 How can single man rule over so many people sounds like all of them are NPCs and deserve it. Nom im sayin

    • @CloudObsolete
      @CloudObsolete Před 21 dnem

      Brazil, the movie

  • @elmariachi5133
    @elmariachi5133 Před 2 měsíci +402

    It doesn't matter what information Windows is publishing. What matters is, that it does without us wanting to and without us having another choice than not even using a PC anymore - unless we are using Linux.

    • @woodsmn8047
      @woodsmn8047 Před 2 měsíci +43

      also the slowdown of your system while it's collecting this data ...that's the part I most dislike !

    • @felixjohnson3874
      @felixjohnson3874 Před 2 měsíci +32

      "Ignoring the alternatives, there are no alternatives!"

    • @nolram
      @nolram Před 2 měsíci +8

      Or BSD :)

    • @whoman0385
      @whoman0385 Před 2 měsíci +30

      ​@@nolram"damn linux is becoming too popular, time to switch to bsd"

    • @nolram
      @nolram Před 2 měsíci +7

      @@whoman0385 nah I just like BSD :)

  • @kmg501
    @kmg501 Před 2 měsíci +595

    I permanently switched to Linux over four years ago. My only regret is that I didn't do it much earlier.

    • @Holahelloholahello
      @Holahelloholahello Před 2 měsíci +11

      What distro?

    • @kmg501
      @kmg501 Před 2 měsíci +67

      @@Holahelloholahello Linux Mint.

    • @TwstedTV
      @TwstedTV Před 2 měsíci +17

      I did the same thing as soon as Windows 10 came out. I used Manjaro for a long time. Now I am on both original Debian KDE on one computer and the other on EndeavourOS KDE.
      I had to change that purple blob though. To a normal background and look. 😋👍

    • @te-wei
      @te-wei Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@TwstedTV Debian KDE, too. It's simply better. 👍

    • @c101vp
      @c101vp Před 2 měsíci +5

      Same here, did it a year ago, wanted to like three years ago

  • @marcink6879
    @marcink6879 Před měsícem +44

    As a personal user you at least have a choice. Imagine large companies in sensitive areas like medicine, which are basically forced to use windows to maintain compatibility.

    • @marschallblucher6197
      @marschallblucher6197 Před 17 dny

      Most of the computers used in those situations use either:
      Pro/enterprise windows where you can disable nearly all telemetry
      Linux, BSD, or some other open source Unix-like system.
      A _really_ old version of windows (I've seen some stores use windows 98 for their POS)

  • @chri-k
    @chri-k Před 2 měsíci +116

    The thing with the XML messages not showing up correctly is because Windows still uses UTF-16 for some godforsaken reason.

    • @pawer_themaw
      @pawer_themaw Před 2 měsíci +8

      "CoMpAtIbIlITy!!!!11!1!"

    • @SFSAtlas
      @SFSAtlas Před 14 dny

      And they passed that fucking idiotic behaviour onto UEFI which makes it a pain to deal with

    • @chri-k
      @chri-k Před 14 dny

      @@SFSAtlas i did not know that.

  • @Caved111
    @Caved111 Před 2 měsíci +106

    Win11 literly forced me to exchange the perfect standard email app i had for outlook and now there is adds in my mail program disquised as regular mails. I mean are they for real? I seriously need to concider using linux.

    • @TVPInterpolation
      @TVPInterpolation Před 2 měsíci +12

      definitely worth to do so

    • @simonmaracine4721
      @simonmaracine4721 Před 2 měsíci +12

      100% recommend. I have been using Linux for the past six years.

    • @dazperson8228
      @dazperson8228 Před 2 měsíci

      A temporary solution is Thunderbird, have been using it for a while now and it works well.

    • @Blankult
      @Blankult Před 2 měsíci

      Linux makes me want to carve my brain out

    • @karsh001
      @karsh001 Před 2 měsíci +17

      If you are serious about switching. Get an easy-to-use distro on a thumb drive and try running it for a bit. My favourite is Mint, and my kid is using Nobara as his daily driver.

  • @gregcampwriter
    @gregcampwriter Před 2 měsíci +208

    No kind or amount of collection is acceptable. Every time I see something about Windows, I'm glad I switched to Linux.

    • @Slugbunny
      @Slugbunny Před 2 měsíci +17

      It's been a load off my mind, too. No system is perfect, but I can easily choose my battles and who to trust on Linux. Microsoft left me no choice.

    • @TVPInterpolation
      @TVPInterpolation Před 2 měsíci +5

      i would totally agree if user would be easier to deal with when it comes to bug reports. for such cases, i think its totally fair to collect data.

    • @gregcampwriter
      @gregcampwriter Před 2 měsíci +11

      @@TVPInterpolation That should be solely the user's choice. No corporation has any business making that decision for me.

    • @TVPInterpolation
      @TVPInterpolation Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@gregcampwriter i see what you mean, but this is only properly possible in a perfect world where everybody reports bugs in proper fashion. do we want buggy software? no. do we want bugs fixed fast? yes. then its just a necessity in many situations.
      im not happy in how microsoft handles the collection of data, but can atleast see a few reasons aside from ad businesses in general.

    • @norger
      @norger Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@TVPInterpolation don't be a shill, there are better and more straightforward ways to report bugs

  • @te-wei
    @te-wei Před 2 měsíci +93

    The real problem was that all these data are binded with your Microsoft account, which is being forced on, no local account allowed. Every pieces of data can be used to profile an user all together. They know your name, location, when to use what software and device with what behavior.
    The OS SHOULD NOT transmit anything encrypted to any server when running a local app without a need of internet, if it's encoded with some string that you don't know the actual meaning, you don't actually know what they transmitted.
    And, all these should be DEFUALT OFF, and ask if users are willing to share the record of their behavior to "help improving the development". The enrollment should not be default on.
    Even you thought some should be turned off, and yet, they're default on.

    • @WeinerTouchy
      @WeinerTouchy Před 2 měsíci

      There are still ways to enable local accounts only - which I agree are hoops that shouldn't be forced to jump through - but at the same time it's a beast of two heads.
      I'd say that 90% of users got an upgrade to Windows 11 for free - free software isn't free. You're going to pay with data. Apple has collected the same data for decades across their entire ecosystem and no one throws a fit about it the same way they do with Microsoft.
      At the end of the day, if you really don't want to send data, pony up the extra $50 and upgrade your Windows version and run a local account from the start.

    • @te-wei
      @te-wei Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@WeinerTouchy
      1. If the local user needs a workaround, then 90% of the user will be milked, workaround exist doesn't meant it's not a problem. And, even if you activate local user, it only solve half of the problem.
      2. If you pay for a new license, you won't get a different windows, they're the same. I just set a media machine for elder relatives last year, I bought an official license for them, and it's the same. You paid and you still get milked.
      3. At the end of the day, I really don't want to send data at this level, so I migrated to Debian, FYI.
      Microsoft can do whatever they want, and you can accept it if you like to, it's not my problem anymore.

    • @WeinerTouchy
      @WeinerTouchy Před 2 měsíci

      @@te-wei No one said anything about buying a new license. Buy the Pro edition. Solves all your issues. Local user and fully able to disable telemetry.
      Otherwise, enjoy your free upgrade and send data. Really no further discussion to be had.

    • @computernerd8157
      @computernerd8157 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​​@@WeinerTouchyApple does collect data but its no where near windows bull shit levels. Last I check key loggers were not included on Macs but Windows have them since 10. Make a video proving it just as bad then I will shut up, but I used Apples before and I never had shit like this shoved down my throat like I have endured when I switched to Windows xp, Windows 8 and breifly 10 on a hp stream lol.
      I stopped using Windows because they flat out said Windows is a services. 8 was already forcing Windows account down my throat which is funny. Every new version, Microsoft gotta force some new thing. I used Mac classic all the way to 10 and no, I never had shit like this forced on me.
      Linux was totally freedom until Ubuntu Amazon deal. I swicthed to a Ubuntu Mate because I liked the interface better at the time. However the Mac os 11 Might require an account for certain featured similar to Windows but if they did, its to make the walled garden work better(Not sure if they actiually do) not just to force something with absolute no benfit to the user unlike Windows.
      I quit using those systems as my primary a long time ago. All I can say is if you have no interest in the mac eco system then their no point to it but Micrsoft does not even offer an ecosystem at all so it only befits Microsoft to be fair. The only thing I like about Apple is their computers but planned Obsolences is the one thing I hate about Macs.

    • @gabriel55ita
      @gabriel55ita Před 27 dny

      The majority of applications and systems have telemetry default enabled and ask at initial startup if you want it or not, macOS same thing (it asks for a lot of shit that is enabled by default so you need to disable it on the setup page, just like windows)

  • @Corteum
    @Corteum Před 2 měsíci +34

    9:36 _"I'm not personally worried about all this information"_
    It's not just about the information, it's also about the fact theyre using your computers resources/cpu/memory/bandwidth, and also what theyre doing with the information they collect.

  • @IshayuG
    @IshayuG Před 2 měsíci +94

    By 4:10 I'm like... dude, you're just opening paint. What in the absolute heck. This is crazy.

    • @ferabon
      @ferabon Před 2 měsíci +2

      But I mean, who the hell cares whether or not Microsoft knows if you've opened Paint? Why should I care about this?

    • @IshayuG
      @IshayuG Před 2 měsíci +50

      @@ferabon because them caring about something so hilariously trivial begs the question of what they have enough control to do when the stakes are higher.
      For example on iOS it was discovered that they constantly read your clipboard with linkedin and sucked it up into the cloud, after which we have no idea what happened to it.
      This is potentially outright dangerous. For example it may contain a password from my password manager, and then there’s political espionage.
      This sort of trivial info can be used as secondary information, too. For example, a declaration of war can be predicated through a large amount of pizza deliveries to state offices in DC.
      In this case it’s probably a signgature check, but I don’t like it. Apps I open on my device for local use should not be hopping onto the internet.

    • @everypizza
      @everypizza Před 2 měsíci +20

      @@ferabon they don't need to know when i open up paint let me paint in peace please

    • @romulo2714
      @romulo2714 Před 2 měsíci +16

      ​@@ferabon Why should they know I'm opening paint?
      Also people who got nothing to hide did get screwed over data collection before, don't think you're safe just because you're a saint.

    • @Tiishen
      @Tiishen Před 2 měsíci +9

      ​​​@@ferabon because why would they want/need to know your every click? I mean, forget the fact this telemetry data is being used for profit in some way (like selling to advertisers, etc.) and the fact data can be mishandled or stolen. Even if they weren't doing anything besides collecting it - it's the principle
      Think of it this way: You rent an apartment and there's cameras and microphones set up by the owner, which record everything 24/7/365 and send it to his personal PC. They're in every single room, even the bathroom and your bedroom. Would you really be okay with him having your whole life recorded on tape, even if you're not doing anything illegal or questionable?

  • @thedanyesful
    @thedanyesful Před 2 měsíci +8

    That 404 for the tip retrieval is pretty hilarious. Reminds me of how after a few years, Windows Vista's link in the desktop context menu for 'Windows Gadgets' would lead you to a 404 page.

  • @everypizza
    @everypizza Před 2 měsíci +302

    I call it "Winbloat"

    • @dsobransingh
      @dsobransingh Před 2 měsíci +22

      based pfp

    • @Foga001
      @Foga001 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Let me guess, what do you use.... Mac os, right? XD
      I use Win 7 btw...

    • @KingPotato2
      @KingPotato2 Před 2 měsíci +5

      ​@@Foga001thats an og os. The good ol days of win7.

    • @no_one484
      @no_one484 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@dsobransingh ummmmm i use arch btw 🤑🤓

    • @Krrly
      @Krrly Před 2 měsíci +1

      amazing pfp

  • @itzarty
    @itzarty Před 2 měsíci +10

    This is insane. The sheer volume of information transmitted is insane. Just using and navigating the system shouldn't make a single call in my opinion.

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM Před 2 měsíci +32

    You should activate differing of updates for the average user, because it differs security updates for a few days and feature updates for 1-2 years. this will make a windows system dramatically more stable over time as it's forcing your PC to not be a beta tester, plus it'll be less annoying since the end user will have to change their workflow less and won't have to reboot as often.
    I personally want as much performance as possible and having useless telmetry hits all the time is wasting bandwidth and cpu cycles for something I don't want.

    • @JessicaFEREM
      @JessicaFEREM Před 2 měsíci +1

      the chris titus toolbox does do a lot of debloating that oosu10 doesn't, it does use oosu for part of it's telemetry disabling, but it also sets a ton of services manual so there will be less CPU cyles to run and a smaller attack vector because there's less things running in the BG.

    • @dennysgrimaldi9623
      @dennysgrimaldi9623 Před 2 měsíci

      @@JessicaFEREM if you don't want telemetry, and an easy tool to manage this is WinTools, is simple with a good interface and it rember your choice even after an update from MS, so you don't have to disable telemetry all the time.
      Plus everything is well written so is not hard to use or understand, and it can performe other task other then this.

    • @KolaFiend
      @KolaFiend Před 2 měsíci

      at that point it's worth it to just switch to LTSC windows 10 and receive only security updates + years of extended support. no app updates either cause there is no app store included. run the christitus debloat script for good measure

    • @PITZ24701
      @PITZ24701 Před 2 měsíci

      Or have a registry hack that can defer Windows Updates to decades.

  • @FentFanta
    @FentFanta Před 2 měsíci +12

    Switched to linux 6 years ago, never looked back.

  • @irishwolf2390
    @irishwolf2390 Před 2 měsíci +25

    I just cant believe with all the information coming out as well as being crippled with use and account creation there has not been any kind of class action lawsuit yet or at least the starting of one.

  • @lanatrzczka
    @lanatrzczka Před 2 měsíci +9

    As a user and admin of Windows machines for a small company, I was really surprised when Windows 10 seemingly "backtracked" to users finding apps on the system by typing in the name. It seemed to be the opposite of the intentions of a GUI. I see the reason now. It's tracking and sending, silently in the background. Can I just get a security-patched Windows 2000 again please? Back when everything wasn't a damn keylogger.

  • @LunaticEdit
    @LunaticEdit Před 2 měsíci +15

    That smug feeling you get when you fullscreen the video and there are no black bars.

  • @louiel8711
    @louiel8711 Před 2 měsíci +9

    Interesting video always good to see what goes on behind the scenes, makes it easier to figure out what to disable.

  • @rtl8814au
    @rtl8814au Před 2 měsíci +7

    If you really gotta use windows, disable as much telemetry as possible, and use a dns sinkhole like pihole on the local network with a telemetry block list to block incoming and outgoing telemetry requests.

  • @ringo8410
    @ringo8410 Před 2 měsíci +86

    I don't want my OS spying on me, even if it's - allegedly - to send bug reports. I also want choice in the matter of what my OS is doing rather than having that choice taken away from me. These are big reasons why I use Linux.

    • @macicoinc9363
      @macicoinc9363 Před 2 měsíci +18

      If it was for bug reports, then Windows wouldn't be a steaming pile of fucking shit that never works properly.

    • @FloppaTheBased
      @FloppaTheBased Před měsícem +1

      what exactly linux? Most linux distros collect data just like windows does lmao

    • @unicornpoo7441
      @unicornpoo7441 Před měsícem +1

      @@FloppaTheBased me when i spread misinformation on the internet

    • @FtE1
      @FtE1 Před 23 dny

      only Ubuntu does that

    • @linuxramblingproductions8554
      @linuxramblingproductions8554 Před 18 dny

      @@FloppaTheBasedbro hallucinating harder then chatGPT

  • @DictateTempo
    @DictateTempo Před 2 měsíci +60

    That was an interesting watch, thanks! I found your channel from your single GPU passthrough video which was very useful. Do you still plan to do a video on kernel level anticheats? I think that'd be a good watch!

    • @EricParker
      @EricParker  Před 2 měsíci +14

      Yes I do! Would love to know if there's anything specific that you would find interesting.
      Doing this level of analysis is tricky becuase I don't think vanguard uses HTTP to communicate.

    • @Leonard_MT
      @Leonard_MT Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@EricParkerWhat about EFI based cheats? Those sound extremely interesting .

    • @WhoooshyYT
      @WhoooshyYT Před 2 měsíci

      Cheat-related stuff would be cool

    • @DictateTempo
      @DictateTempo Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@EricParkerYeah, it'd be hard to determine what kernel ACs are actually doing, you pretty much have to trust the privacy policies on that. I think an overview of the main ACs (such as whether they run at boot time etc), the associated risks (Genshin is a good case study) and any mitigation steps (dual booting if you daily Linux?) would make a good video.
      Either way, keep up the good content, it's really engaging.

  • @roccociccone597
    @roccociccone597 Před 2 měsíci +36

    And this is why I refuse to use Winblows

    • @Chibibowa
      @Chibibowa Před měsícem

      Use NTLite with a good profile. And all what mainstream media says falls out the window. Nothing he mentions happens on my images. And I currently use 24H2 LTSC.
      See windows XP+7?
      Well I have the exact same user experience. Even UAC is neutered and standard users can never elevate no matter what they do.

  • @bhumiputra6108
    @bhumiputra6108 Před 2 měsíci +3

    How did you create this setup? Is their any resource I can refer to?

  • @prodkinetik
    @prodkinetik Před 2 měsíci +3

    would you be able to do something like this with Tiny10/11?

  • @AvoidingSpam
    @AvoidingSpam Před 20 dny +2

    Excuse me, at which point did the spying take place besides the completely normal search engine calls when you type in a search engine (and does anyone know whether that be turned off)?

  • @klenha
    @klenha Před 2 měsíci +4

    that is unfortunate. i'd love few guides on setting up something as this. i can't express how valuable your youtube channel is to me.

  • @domodiak
    @domodiak Před 20 dny +2

    That box isn't spying it just searches? Did I miss the point? I kinda skipped through

  • @LessThanPeachy
    @LessThanPeachy Před měsícem +2

    I think the biggest issues are that it's opt-out only and that a good chunk of this data collection cannot be toggled off by a normal user. You either have to dig through registry entries and hope you don't break the whole OS or rely on a 3rd party tool, which, of course, is all by design.

  • @KianFloppa
    @KianFloppa Před 2 měsíci +6

    Does he mention how much of the telemetry can be diusabled and how much the minimum still collects?

    • @josephbryanasuncion4904
      @josephbryanasuncion4904 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Hmmm,did you see the actual pass 50% of the video? Because that is exactly what he do.

  • @coondogtheman
    @coondogtheman Před 2 měsíci +2

    Does windows 10 do this too and did earlier versions of windows collect data? (8, 7, Vista, XP)

    • @shallex5744
      @shallex5744 Před 2 měsíci +4

      i'm not sure if windows 7 originally did it or to what extent, but i believe that in the final updates to windows 7, they made sure to enable levels of telemetry similar to that found in windows 10

    • @coondogtheman
      @coondogtheman Před 2 měsíci

      @@shallex5744 I know 11 does it so I might just stay with 10 but the PC I have now is lacking a bunch. 230gb storage 3 usb ports 1 broken and no optical drive. My last PC had a lot more. I did however play a doom map with maybe 20,000 enemies and no lag.

  • @Omizuke
    @Omizuke Před 2 měsíci +4

    Can you test this on a customized Win. To see if there is any one thats safe. I currently use a Win10 curomized using various tool. I tried with 11 once but disabled so many things I broke some of its functions hahaha. Went back to my own made Slim10.
    Or maybe there are better tools to modify 11 since I tried.

  • @ToniMorton
    @ToniMorton Před 2 měsíci +1

    does it send any data when you ctrl c ctrl v?

  • @dnel83
    @dnel83 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Did windows silently allow you to forge their SSL certificate? Makes tapping this data trivial if thats the case.

  • @CoolJRT2009
    @CoolJRT2009 Před měsícem +3

    If you don't trust a command prompt window that you CAN see open when you run a cracked game, you shouldn't trust any of the silent shuffling of data that's going on in the background of Windows that you CAN'T see.

  • @k.chriscaldwell4141
    @k.chriscaldwell4141 Před 2 měsíci +121

    The NSA collects it. Windows just sends it.

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 Před 2 měsíci +10

      @@tiaanbasson9092yeah and its also what Linux users don’t get. Why do you think those exact agents contribute and control the Kernel of Linux and the Linux foundation lol?

    • @notyourfox
      @notyourfox Před 2 měsíci +34

      @@ghost-user559 show me that extent of telemetry in open source Linux kernel

    • @macicoinc9363
      @macicoinc9363 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@ghost-user559 You are correct, but it is definitely to a far lesser extent. You'd have to be suffering from intellectual pride to believe that the Linux Kernel is not compromised in some way, whether Torvalds is aware of it or not.

    • @domdomdomme1203
      @domdomdomme1203 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@tiaanbasson9092does that also apply if you are outside of the US and are not a citizen?

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@notyourfox “Disclosure of the nine-year-old vulnerability came the same week that Google researcher Kees Cook published research showing that the average lifetime of a Linux bug is five years.” “ *A ten years old Linux backdoor linked to National Security Agency of United States was detected freshly, and analysis confirmed that the backdoor was existing from the past 10 years. Dubbed as Bvp47 and linked to Equation Group-an NSA funded threat actor was first detected by anti-virus firm Virus Total in 2013. However, for reasons, not much was discussed or revealed about the advanced backdoor linked to Linux at that time.* “

  • @biigsmokee
    @biigsmokee Před 2 měsíci +1

    What telemetry with "limited data" enabled?

  • @planet_person622
    @planet_person622 Před 2 měsíci +10

    very informative video

  • @aungthuhein007
    @aungthuhein007 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Can you share what kind of linux you were using? Distro, DE, VM software, all that stuff.

    • @nxx99
      @nxx99 Před 5 dny

      I know he uses KDE5, and that's all IK

  • @Joe-gk2xq
    @Joe-gk2xq Před 2 měsíci +1

    Recently found ur channel love ur malware analysis videos. Do you have a discord?

  • @KyuDoesCode
    @KyuDoesCode Před 2 měsíci +6

    Hey chief, found your channel recently. Amazing videos! I'm interested in how you setup your network logger and what you setup for your W10 / W11 vms to bypass VM Protection. If you could make some kind of video or point us somewhere for the network logger that would be amazing.

  • @SuperMewio
    @SuperMewio Před 2 měsíci +4

    Future reference, you can use ctrl+esc in windows to open the start menu that way you don't accidentally open KDE Plasma's application launcher lol.

  • @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21
    @jesuslovesyoujohn314-21 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Very informative, thank you.

  • @domiibunn
    @domiibunn Před 2 měsíci +2

    Better question though. What is the proxy you're using as it looks useful
    Edit: mitproxy

    • @paprikar
      @paprikar Před měsícem

      You need to use something like Wireshark in this case

  • @themirrazz
    @themirrazz Před 21 dnem +1

    Every time you type in the search bar it sends the personalization options

  • @yeetisnomore
    @yeetisnomore Před 2 měsíci +2

    Hi Eric, what a great effort! We would really like to see the same thing for macOS too!

  • @gheffz
    @gheffz Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great, thank you! Subscribed! All!

  • @iSaidNo666
    @iSaidNo666 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I love these videos!

  • @1marcelfilms
    @1marcelfilms Před 2 měsíci +1

    I miss being able to select what updates I want and only get those.

  • @flynn3649
    @flynn3649 Před měsícem +1

    New subscriber. Would you be willing to do a similar test with Ubuntu, (modern versions of Fedora Workstation), and PopOS?
    I think tons of people expect MS to be bad, but we're slowly experiencing this in mainstream Linux desktop distributions as well. It's not talked about nearly as much tho.

  • @littlecake453
    @littlecake453 Před 24 dny +1

    .... So remember how pirating adobe products is morally correct (currently even encouraged)? We should add Windows to that list.

  • @Maybe-So
    @Maybe-So Před 2 měsíci +2

    wow. Thank you for sharing this.

  • @HunMadav
    @HunMadav Před 2 měsíci

    How about just having a modified hosts file?

  • @pax5072
    @pax5072 Před 2 měsíci +1

    how to create custom ssl certificate make video about it!

  • @starlightatdusk4896
    @starlightatdusk4896 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I was wondering if O&O actually worked. Nice.

  • @TheBigLou13
    @TheBigLou13 Před 2 měsíci +8

    I don't trust Microsoft.

  • @ibizenco
    @ibizenco Před 2 měsíci +4

    Is there no way to block programs to send data to Microsoft?
    Which executable(s) is responsible for "phoning home"?

    • @southof.nowhere6096
      @southof.nowhere6096 Před 2 měsíci +1

      That's what was done in the video. None the less, I'd imagine most of this stuff is built in to existing structural executables. Things that if one were to delete, would simply break the entire operating system.

  • @ghoulbby
    @ghoulbby Před měsícem +5

    I'm not sure what I'm watching. Background noise from a fresh install and you typing in a web search, because that's what the Windows search bar is nowadays? And device info going to Windows isn't weird considering they're dishing out drivers so... that's expected. None of this is 'spying'.

  • @VirtualAxiom
    @VirtualAxiom Před 2 měsíci +3

    While I do need Windows for certain things, the fact that it's collecting anything at all without my permission is enough to keep it confined to a virtual machine with GPU passthrough to do what I need it to do, then go dark until I need it again.

    • @maalikserebryakov
      @maalikserebryakov Před 2 měsíci

      There are debloated versions of windows OS. People analysed and stripped away the stuff that doesn’t need to be there

    • @VirtualAxiom
      @VirtualAxiom Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@maalikserebryakov I'm aware, but I'd rather just use Linux and only pull up Windows as-needed. I don't trust it.

  • @stormrider01
    @stormrider01 Před 22 dny

    How to turn this telemetry off?

  • @clocked2002
    @clocked2002 Před 2 měsíci +8

    O&O shutup 10: fighting proprietary software with more proprietary software lol.

  • @hupe5836
    @hupe5836 Před měsícem +1

    They will also collect the event of me downloading linux and ditching windows🗿

  • @ThePlayerOfGames
    @ThePlayerOfGames Před 2 měsíci +5

    So glad I switched to Pop!_OS 😅, thank you for the video!

  • @Jay45V-official
    @Jay45V-official Před 9 dny +1

    Gosh, no wonder my internet is so bad on modern windows... Because it's being wasted on useless telemetry reports...

  • @Applecitylightkiwi
    @Applecitylightkiwi Před 7 dny +1

    Hmmm didnt know it was that bad, is w10 the same ?

  • @SomeGuyWatchingYoutube
    @SomeGuyWatchingYoutube Před 2 měsíci

    Zenarmor can block this house-wide. I was wondering why bing went off on my network opening states every 5 seconds lagging other stuff out. Suricata says windows collects USB metadata too X_X
    CS1 mdns is annoying too in terms of lag on the whole network because everything else is usually Best Effort CS0.

  • @greatman3388
    @greatman3388 Před měsícem +1

    Did the Microsoft robots take over your body at the very end there? What in the world happened with how you said "collect" at 13:11 ? Haha

  • @FlamespeedyAMV
    @FlamespeedyAMV Před 2 měsíci +4

    the best part is, it's only gonna get worse

  • @jordanaz
    @jordanaz Před 23 dny

    Brilliant video, good work.

  • @a.melhem__
    @a.melhem__ Před 13 dny

    Can you please test the currently famous 24H2 enterprise G edition?

  • @Banus-
    @Banus- Před 2 měsíci +9

    linux is hot

  • @RomanianProductions
    @RomanianProductions Před 2 měsíci +2

    What you forgot to consider is requests and data sent through other protocols such as TCP, UDP, SMB, etc. and not just HTTP or HTTPS

    • @Wahinies
      @Wahinies Před 2 měsíci +1

      It is unanimously HTTPS because it sails right past firewalls unless the performance killing HTTPS inspection is in use AND this traffic is explicitly blocked. You wont see that scenario in a home setting for example.

    • @paprikar
      @paprikar Před měsícem +1

      Why the fuck this comment had 0 likes?

  • @justchris5806
    @justchris5806 Před měsícem

    can you do the same with macos?

    • @Sezamn
      @Sezamn Před 26 dny +1

      it's hard to install macOS on a VM, especially the newer ones

  • @vladislavkaras491
    @vladislavkaras491 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Great to see practically how Windows collects data and how O&O can be useful!
    Thanks for the video!

  • @potplantjoe6037
    @potplantjoe6037 Před 2 měsíci +3

    What are some tools to remove the amount of telemetry information is being sent?

  • @Nwmcosczycosidk123
    @Nwmcosczycosidk123 Před 17 dny

    wait can i ddos microsoft by just spamming the search bar?

  • @bepisdevs
    @bepisdevs Před 2 měsíci +8

    I’m confused. None of those API calls were really that suspicious? No doubt Microsoft collects everything they can but I didn’t see anything in the video specifically

    • @catsandmountains
      @catsandmountains Před 2 měsíci +12

      It's the unnecessary data that's being sent almost constantly. It can be used for user fingerprinting and who else knows what. Telemetry data was a lead into a malicious Microsoft teams hack.
      Ideally you want to just have that activity only when necessary.

  • @venomsolidx
    @venomsolidx Před 2 měsíci +37

    I really need to switch to linux

    • @JapaAppa
      @JapaAppa Před 2 měsíci

      don't you need to know how to code or something to run linux?

    • @agiri891
      @agiri891 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@JapaAppa uhhh no?

    • @Swedish__
      @Swedish__ Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@JapaAppanot at all

    • @WodkaEclair
      @WodkaEclair Před 2 měsíci +8

      ​@@JapaAppanah, I know fuck all about coding, I'm close to the most standard brain-dead PC user around and I switched to Ubuntu just fine. most of my games work fine (or, as fine as they can *on my specific hardware*). there's even other types of Linux that are even easier than Ubuntu.
      I find that Ubuntu does require some command line stuff every six months or so when it updates or when installing some weird niche thing. other than that, the only complication is the whole "oh god I'm used to stuff being in C:/ or programme files aaaaaaa where is it" but google helps there lol

    • @nxx99
      @nxx99 Před 5 dny

      ​@@JapaAppaNope!

  • @himagnamukherjee9382
    @himagnamukherjee9382 Před měsícem

    can we do something about this? Like ddos that server or run a script that sends a ton of garbage data continuously?

    • @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas
      @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas Před 25 dny +2

      That would literally crash the entire market. If you DDOS the Windows 11 server millions of pppl won't be able to do shit in their day to day lives cause a random dude annoyed by this sends garbage data. We're thinking about millions who might lose their work, get fired, or even multi-billion companies losing progress on their newest project. Not to mention the damage fees and investigation that will lead to the DDOSer getting sentenced.
      Totally not worth the trouble

    • @linuxramblingproductions8554
      @linuxramblingproductions8554 Před 18 dny +1

      ⁠@@ImJustSomeoneNamedLucasassuming they get caught and don’t have good opsec but honestly its worth it plus like most people besides microsoft themselves shouldn’t be affected

    • @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas
      @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas Před 18 dny

      @@linuxramblingproductions8554 Servers are an equipment used by people that are using Windows 11. It'll affect everyone not just Microsoft

    • @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas
      @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas Před 18 dny

      @@linuxramblingproductions8554 You'll crash the server or slow it down. The server is not gonna respond anymore. Guess who uses those servers, Windows 11 users.

    • @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas
      @ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas Před 17 dny

      @@linuxramblingproductions8554 Nope

  • @SpongyFlafy
    @SpongyFlafy Před měsícem +5

    I'm good with Linux

  • @dubstatic
    @dubstatic Před 2 měsíci

    please re-test with "Windows 11 LTSC" would be interesting to see if there is any less traffic

  • @ThomazMartinez
    @ThomazMartinez Před 27 dny

    Can you test AtlasOS?

  • @konstantinsotov6251
    @konstantinsotov6251 Před měsícem +3

    and then they say, "just use WSL!". Why, so that they could collect even my linux data? sorry, no

    • @squirlmy
      @squirlmy Před 9 dny

      WSL Kali in particular seems to me the biggest honeypot for scriptkiddies, ever. I don't trust "Offensive Security" at all anymore. How many users even know the parent company is called "Offensive Security"

  • @JohnDoe-rw8he
    @JohnDoe-rw8he Před měsícem

    I've used Winaero Tweaker to modify windows update settings and telemetry stuff. Also allows for changing the look and feel of windows and even direct to legacy control panel instead of windows menus getting in the way.

  • @namaanda5349
    @namaanda5349 Před 2 měsíci

    try again maybe with simplewall I guess?

  • @TheDecodedMatter
    @TheDecodedMatter Před měsícem

    Why is that no matter how new your hardware is, your pc always lags, always makes noise on windows?

    • @4684peter
      @4684peter Před 29 dny

      haven't had a lag on my computer on the last 5-7 years with different hardware and all sub midrange

    • @_tringle
      @_tringle Před 25 dny

      Hes on a vm

  • @felipefmavelar
    @felipefmavelar Před 2 měsíci +3

    thats actually a cool video, you should test it on other services

  • @Purely_Andy
    @Purely_Andy Před 2 měsíci +4

    are you using an ai voice changer?

  • @ronijarvinen3759
    @ronijarvinen3759 Před 2 měsíci

    Funniest thing about data collection is I get ads for all the sh*t products I already own and curse out loud every day. So then I curse them some more while listening to the ad for the POS.

  • @Mandias812
    @Mandias812 Před měsícem

    What linux distro are you using?

  • @joegru7280
    @joegru7280 Před 2 měsíci +3

    i had no idea about that program, thank you!

    • @callisoncaffrey
      @callisoncaffrey Před 2 měsíci +1

      Why install a system you have to actively fight against. You realize Linux is free and comes and many very easy variations, right? Or if you don't need simpleton shit, there is always OpenBSD.

    • @joegru7280
      @joegru7280 Před 2 měsíci

      @@callisoncaffrey Thank you for roasting me. yeah i know about linux. i have used it before. ill look into OpenBSD

    • @zeenxdownz
      @zeenxdownz Před měsícem +1

      ​@@callisoncaffreyits hard to switch to linuz when i grew up using windows and having my files in C:/

    • @ashyy6819
      @ashyy6819 Před 25 dny

      @@callisoncaffrey"Why install a system you have to actively fight against?"
      >Proceeds to suggest linux
      lol

    • @callisoncaffrey
      @callisoncaffrey Před 25 dny

      @@ashyy6819 Spoken like someone who has never even tried it.
      Though in case you really didn't understand what I meant: You are aware that Windows sends out everything you do, forces bloat unto you, decided when to update, takes features away, can hardly be configured, ...
      I'm sure you've heard about the Recall feature, right? I know people think that would be spying on them, but that's not what it does. The spying is happening already in the background, but Recall moves the evaluation of your data onto your hardware. It saves Microsoft tons of money.
      Meanwhile on Linux you have full control over everything. You can install an easy distro like Linuxmint, which is way easier than Windows, even for people who come from it.
      The thing you think is Linux is LFS, where you actually have to download and compile every packet manually. Every other Distro, even Archlinux, is way easier. Most come with a graphical installer even. I run Gentoo too, and the only difficult thing there is configuring the kernel.
      Anyway, even if it were as difficult as you make it sound, I would still prefer that over being the corporations' female canine. Then again it's not like it was bad for the Chinese to give up all privacy. I hear they have a prospering and free country over there.