Metallica "M72" world tour 2023 live in Hamburg - Deep insights in lighting, sound and stage design
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0:30 # The sound of the show: Greg Price and Chris Rushin
13:14 Creative Director / Production Design | Dan Braun
15:28 # Lighting Designer Rob Koenig
18:50 # V - Robospot Tech
19:24 # Gene Mc Auliffe about the video screen setup
The scene could have come from a thriller: Deep inside the Volksparkstadion Hamburg, some moped riders stand in front of screens in near darkness. It's almost impossible to see anything else. A figure emerges from the darkness, holding a book. An actual book! The young lady is V, responsible for the Robospots robe.
And with a 360-degree stage including a Snakepit, it is by no means a routine task - after all, the musicians can disappear in any of the four directions at any time. But such challenges don't faze Rob, V, and the rest of the crew.
For Rob Koenig, most of the work is already done: He will run the concert by firing cues that he meticulously prepared during pre-production. Some effects, strobes, and such are controlled by faders. The rest of the show consists of cues precisely tailored to the band, allowing the stadium to shrink or explode at the touch of a button. That doesn't mean he can relax during the shows: He constantly keeps an eye on the four musicians.
Eight columns for the rigging points
Production Designer Dan Braun also exudes the relaxed calm of success. And this design can already be counted as a success: The eight columns are packed with lighting, sound, and audio equipment. Nevertheless, they elegantly blend into the stadium's architecture. Elegant and stable: The steel cables stretched between them provide the rigging points for the inner ring of Meyer Sound's impressive sound system. The columns themselves are equipped with two hangs of Panther modules each, as well as six 1100-LFC Low-Frequency Control Elements and six VLFC Very Low-Frequency Control Elements inside.
"I worry every time about whether all our new ideas will work on a large scale," admits Braun, "but we have great partners like Meyer Sound whom we can rely on." Braun discussed his ideas for the stereo sound directly with company founders John and Helen Meyer, who embraced his vision and entrusted Bob McCarthy, Director of System Optimization at Meyer Sound, with the audio design for the tour.
The columns are indeed impressive. Their biggest advantage is undoubtedly the seamless integration of live show material, which is usually presented relatively carelessly as a backdrop or on video screens to the left and right of the stage in proscenium stages, in order to reduce the visual distance from the stage action.
The round video surfaces are framed at the top and bottom by nine Vari-Lite VL3600 Profiles each.
Each VL3600 is accompanied by a Chauvet Professional Color STRIKE M. Between the round LED screens, seven Robe BMFLs are positioned in a vertical line, but here too, the number nine is not far away. Because underneath the seven BMFLs, two BMFL Washbeams hang, which are controlled via the aforementioned Robospot system.
That covers the fixtures in the columns. On stage, a total of 48 Sharpy Aqua Plus fixtures are positioned, along with 24 SGM Q7 fixtures to illuminate Metallica from below. These are complemented by around 40 Solaris Mozart One fixtures from TMB. The stage edges and steps are accentuated with SGM Touring VPL fixtures.
Last but not least, nine Proteus Excalibur fixtures are positioned at eight locations.
Crew
Creative Director / Production Design | Dan Braun
Production Manager | John "Lug" Zajonc
Production Coordinator | Vicki Huxel
Stage Management | Gino Cardelli, Dewey Evans, Eddie Rocha
Lighting Designer | Rob Koenig
Lighting Programmers | Joe Cabrera, Cat West
Flash and Trash Works, Inc
Vendor | Premier Global Production
Account Rep | James Vollhoffer
Project Manager | Anthony Kordyjaka
LX Crew Chief | Mat Gass
Video Director | Gene McAuliffe
Video Programmer | Hayden Katz
Video Project Manager | David Hunkins
Video Support | 4Wall
Content Creation | Andrea Cuius | Nocte
and Dan Potter Creative Works London
FOH engineer | Greg Price
Monitor Engineer | Robert Cowan, Michael Bollella
Audio Crew Chief | Emmett Tubritt
Audio Support | Clair Global
Head Rigger | Chad Koehler
Head Carp | Michael Pettit
Head Electrician | Arturo "Tudy" Martinez
Pyro Project Manager | Reid Derne Pyrotech
Pyro Shooter | Tristan Ford
Staging | Stageco Belgium # TAIT Towers
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As so many people are asking: Big Mick retired from foh. 0:12
Big Mick will always be the real "5th" member of Metallica.
that audio system puts everything in your face while keeping it as clean as can be, just amazing
Thank you for this, also honoring Big Mick Hughes FOH for his legendary mixing on Metallica live shows. Ive always wondered if he retired, the sonics of Metallica were great reflecting the great production if not better than the recording itself. Great stuff
Rock on!
Big mick unfortunately retired. Due to age/health I believe
He seemed frustrated with the last arena tour and the restrictions due to the lighting rigs.
It's always baffled me that they never got Big Mick to mix any of their albums
Metallica always sounded better live than on any album
What a team, they really have blown this up beyond next level!
I was at this concert, somewhere in the upper row, I was a little afraid of the sound quality as I made bad experiences with that in the past when having a high place in an open stadium.
Metallica came on stage, opened with Creeping Death, the sound was fucking fantastic during the entire shows on both nights.
Thank you guys for making this an unforgettable concert, even for those who can't afford the luxury of inner circle or even Snakepit.
i will be curious in munich. ive recently saw rammstein live, and their sound was nothing like ive ever heard before. absolutely perfect. on the other hand, i also saw guns n roses, and their sound was way worse. ive been to a couple of metallica shows as well, and i would say its a hit and miss.
Interesting, I was in the lower seated area and especially the with second drumkit on night 2 the sound was absolutely horrible. All we could hear was drums and bass, night 1 also wasn't too great but a little better.
I was in the Snake Pit and the sound there was absolutely first class. I have never had such a good sound at any concert. Robert's bass was also clearly audible throughout.
I read later that Meyer Sound has designed a new sound concept, where each speaker can be controlled individually, regarding volume and delay.
At the Big Four in the Schalke Arena it was unfortunately something completely different. There was unfortunately very much reverb to hear.
There were definitely some problems at the first 3 songs on the first night (at least we heard it on our side, vocals could not really be understood at all), got fixed afterwards, then the sound was really good again.
@@nicibrugier (THIS ISN"T THEIR SOUND PERSONS FAULT THIS COMMENT IS ABOUT AN ISSUE IN STADIUMS WHERE THE OVERHANG SPEAKERS DON"T MATCH WITH METALLICAS AND LEADS TO A DELAY THAT RUINED THE CONCERT FOR ME) Good to know it wasn't just me who had to be sad and upset over audio issues I was there to see Too Far Gones live debut in NJ on August 6th and couldn't hear anything besides lars kit and James voice and I couldn't even sing along for Memory remains due to the delay and James guitar was literally muted during Ride The Lightning and For whom The Bell Tolls sounded horrible because every time Lars played one beat you'd hear it again a second later because of the delay (When they opened with Whiplash I literally went on my phone and started complaining in their comments for future shows because that easily ruined the 2nd night for me (Just lucky night 1 was perfectly fine otherwise I honestly don't know what I'd do I'd definitely try to get some money back at that point it was so horrible on night 2 I'm honestly sad I wasted $161 just to hear Lars play a kit that was delayed :(. I literally had to run 30 rows down and stand in the middle of the stairs to get closer to the stage and away from the shitty speakers they had in the overhang so atleast the rest of the concert was hearable so Whiskey and Call of Kthulu were at least listenable but still slightly delayed and only some times could hear James guitar unless he went to his clean tone
I went to their last show in Europe (Gothenburg Sweden). And man! The sound was amazing! Also the lightning was so damn good!
Right! It really was amazing
Props Greg for mentioning Big Mick…
With respect to ANY band touring, it’s all the techs, engineers, roadies, and the like, that I’d pay for a meet-and-greet. I go to lots of concerts where I don’t even like the band, I come for all this great content, and what’s going on behind the scenes, before and after the show.
Thanks, so much, for this piece.
*Subscribed!! * 🙏 ✌️ 🤘
Glad you liked it!
If the CZcams videos uploaded from these shows is any indication of the sound quality all I can say is bravo. All the instruments come in clear and nicely separated, especially Rob's bass.
Fantastic job. You guys are the unsung heroes
Chris Rushin! Met him at a Smaart training some years back. Hell of a nice guy and knowledgeable sound engineer. Great to see him on such a major production!
Thanks for sharing your story with us!
And to know they have to set this up every show !!😮
A really great Video!
Great vid ! Could watch for hours .
Glad you enjoyed it
Such a cool look inside, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Been there and enjoyed it very much.. what a show.. woohoo
Incredible production
Greg Price is the best live sound mixer on earth. He and Ken Van Druten along with a handful of others are on this level.
Don’t forget kevin lemoine from Green Day…
Their new material shown here is quite a departure!
Amazing design
Ιn Paris i was sitting at the sits of the right side of the stage low close to the arena. Great sound thinking was side way. But when you are playing in huge stadiums the sound is quite tough to be good at all spots .. due to the openess
Very very informative and extremely interesting video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This seems like a great way to give the concert goers a great experience regardless of where they are in the stadiums
I was at the Volksparkstadion on both nights, in the upper ranks and i was absolutely underwhelmed by the sound, i must say. I never heard MetallicA sounding so bad. And i was at some shows, in the past. The drums and the bass were always there but overpowering and delayed, the vocals also, although hardly understanable. But, there was nearly no guitar, only some lead guitar was coming through. It sounded like they have tuned down the songs even more. I never was so disappointed on a MetallicA show than this time, both nights! Period!!! €175,- for a phenomenal light show, but hardly that competing sound experience. And, THAT was what i was there for.
Great! Was waiting for it since I saw the 2nd night of the tour… unfortunately monitor world isn’t covered in this video, that’s an insane setup with 2 engineers mixing together
Next time!
@@mothergrid-magazine can't wait
@@mothergrid-magazinelet's go!!!
Damn, very cool.
Don‘t know much about PA and LD, but this seems like a really impressive setup!
Very interesting!
Thanks!
That's insane! Badassery!
Greg Price did an EXTREMELY good job mixing the sound when Metallica played in Gothenburg some month ago!
I was on the floor and it felt like i was inside the sound! It was a godly experience! Seen Metallica many, many times before but this time: WOW!
YO G huge drums!
Sat far side middle of the stands for both shows and they really nailed it!
I really had a great experience even in those seats and not for a second felt like I was missing out. Quite the opposite actually, it was great to have such a good overview of the whole stage!
Sound was superb (aided by some good linear earplugs), clear vocals, great bass presence and awesome kick drums, guitars were a bit set back but still cutting through the mix enough.
Overall two of the absolute best shows, of not even the best shows I have ever attended. Only Heilung really rivals the audio especially, but they were in a tiny space compared to this, so that's a lot easier.
Would been nice to see all the passion in Sydney a few years ago when it was cancelled I love Metallica tho seen them once before would love to seee them again come back to oz guys 🇦🇺🤙🙏❤️
Greg is a character…..I wonder will big mick come back to the tour?
Brilliant vid
Thank you!
@@mothergrid-magazine Amazing vid!
You guys managed to capture their rigs also, or this is the only footage from behind the scenes of M72?
@@aek4018 You're right, this is the only footage.
I can't wait to see this in TEXAS.
As I'm the 1000th like on that vid, I add a comment. 😇😁
And just to say that I'm one of those that would easily watch a 4hrs bonus documentary (like the appendices in P. Jackson LOTR, you guys know what I mean, right... 😎) about this show. From the genesis to the unsetting of the show. I wanna know everything about how you manage to pull up a huge show the ones I saw in Paris.
Thanks for that video! I looooooove it!! 🤘😎🤘
Glad you enjoyed it! Find more here:
czcams.com/play/PLVvj5hGX6tm06RG96C9Kdx8jkCLS38_tv.html
Nice job for metallica ❤
Wow! It’s totally different from that how it was in 1999 in Kiev, Ukraine. Cool! I wanna visit it!
Have you Bern there in 1999 in Kiev?
Not seen them since Big Mick left. But those are some shoes to fill. The best sounding live metal shows I’ve ever heard were all mixed by Mick.
Just like a vocal coach for a singer, these guys are the reason Metallica sounds so much better than in the past. I am stoked to see and hear Pantera warm up with these engineers. OMG
Coole Doku vom Hamburg-Konzert!
Dankeschön!
I have never heard so many sync stock backing tracks in one video
well,without all of this guy,metallica concert will be not more than me n my pal jamming in my garage!!this guys actually the..5th member of Metallica..remember that!!😅😅😅
I had to spell Rushin.......Just in case someone thought....
Looks like a Rammstein set up.
Very cool. Could the band wear GPS tags and be followed by their assigned spots rather than manual follow?
They try to avoid interference with the wireless guitar outputs as much as possible.
That drew me in as much as the end result. Awesome - well done all.
Thank you very much!
@@mothergrid-magazine A pleasure.
El mejor sonido!
how much cabinets - satellites is there total? 100 pieces? how much subs?
Starke Doku!
Danke für die Blumen!
Should I get general admission or first row lower level seats
7:13 great.
Alright Greg Price ! You have my attention
Maybe...I will see after this weekend
for me too
At Download they could be heard like 10 miles away downwind. Didn't even seem that loud to me at the time. I would say standing under the towers was not a pleasant experience, sound was very wishy washy as it was mixing with the main PA. I get there's not much you can do about it though, it's just physics.
One question... why do you still use grandma2?
No band has embraced production, tech and presentation as much as M.
Not many have the budget they do.
Big Mic still around? Did he retire?
What happened with Big Mick?
Why don't you mix in mono? I was stood in front of a stack at the barrier and it was just James' guitar. Barely could hear Kirk at all. Second day I had to stand back and stand between two stacks to be able to hear them both.
stacks? stacks of what? its a 360 setup, There are no "stacks"
@@VapnFagan not when you're standing at the barriers, those bit towers don't affect you really, it's the stacks hung over the stage in the gaps that you hear the most, and I was right in front of one, and it was mostly James guitar, no kirk.
Also allows certain "corrections' in the mix , for the DVD,,, such as adding proper double bass kicks during performances of ONE, which Lars often has trouble with...
Thats is not correct. The audio editing, the mixing they do, means just compressing the kick so the attack sounds. Live, it does sound, you just don't get the attack, but the low end is always present. Go check out the Howard Stern interview where Lars plays the double bass in one.
@@caosonora Yes, but on the new M72 shows, they Definitely Are touching up alot of the audio... I saw a short doc on the live sound of a show (playing "One" ) and they did edit the double bass intro to the heavy second half of the song...
Check it out yourself....
I mean, i probably would if I was 60, made some crucial mistakes live,,,
but want to sound better on the live recording which will go on for eternity ~
@@darkkrenaissance42 I want to watch that documentary. Cheers.
@@caosonora czcams.com/users/shortszk_x7BZGYzk
@@caosonora Theres alot of talk about this,,, but this is a good summary
I'm curious to know how long it takes to build this entire stage.
Couple of days, no more than a week.
Lots of bands do timelapses of the building process, check that out
2 1/2 perhaps?
I like how he says 72 on top and bottom like the album!! So cool!
He meant to say “rage for the machine”…
Well... Even as a huge fan of RATM, I've to admit you're not wrong... Even to the point of calling them the "Prophets of the machine slaves"... 😂
@@kevinmarquez6349 i also put those kind of comments down with a broken heart. In the 90s heroin took the heroes, and now it’s propaganda…
Does anyone else find it weird that none of the music that is timed to the video cuts is Metallica?
Love the call out to Robert
How many towers are there? 8? It means they have 8 platforms for lux aeterna experience packages per show, or 57600€ income from that alone lol (if you look closely you can see the chairs on the platforms)
I’m a humble concert goer at the MetLife stadium nosebleed seats. There was a very Wierd sound problem of the Friday Aug 4th date. Seemed like the sound swirled around the stadium inconsistently projecting treble and mid noise out of phase. Maybe this Sundays sound will be better. Wonder if this message will get to the sound people in charge for future events. Thank you.
How was night 2 for you? Night 1 was perfect for me I was in section 307 but night 2 I was in 310 under the overhang and the speakers in the overhang section was a second off of Metallica's main stage speakers and it made night 2 literally unlistenable for me (Too Far Gone I heard only lars kit and James voice and during ride the lighting James guitar literally was muted in the overhang speaker.
588 speakers is INSANE. I wonder what the Average amount of PA for bands is
Just depends on the venue, but a baseline example;
The main hang left and right, maybe 16 count is the most you'd see, likely fewer.
An big sub element would be nearly as many subs as tops.
Add maybe a handful of front fill.
That's about 70 boxes, and that's a big ass powerful show.
Most wouldn't have this much. But some even more.
The numbers can add up fast.
Stadium end stage shows often deploy outfill hangs for the sides, and delay towers for distance.
You can double the 16 tops per side, and double gang a PA.
Dave Rat double hung stadium PA for the Chili Peppers.
He had duplicate PA tops, each hang right next to each other, drums and vocals in one and guitar and bass in the other.
Benefits were reduction in intermod, greater headroom, resulted in greater clarity, intelligibility.
How many cabinets do I need?
How much money you got?!
@@FOH3663- As the saying goes: “There’s no replacement for displacement.”
Big Mick isn't mixing them anymore? What happened?
I knew mick retired since the vocal delay spots in the songs were changed. Wish the new FOH guy would hit the same delay spots like mick.
What happened to their FOH Engineer Big Mick?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mick
is Big Mic still on the FOH Boards?
Big Mick retired…
Where is Big Mick 😢
588 Speakers?? :-) Nice
The scale of it is huge. Has anyone tried to work out how much it costs to put on this show?
Why metallica didnt let them use their music here?
Question… when Metallica tours they play damn near every night. How can they set the stage and all the lights and computers and everything within a matter of hours, only to take it all down and move it all to the next show so quickly?
I‘m Not sure, but maybe they have two stages. One is used while the other one is built at the next venue.
Simple: they DON’T play every night. Your perception of the band’s weekly regimen is about thirty years out of date. M72 features Friday and Sunday shows, other five days are off for the band.
the console: Avid VENUE | S6L
In Germany we say - smartass
I couldn't hear the bass especially the higher notes. Great show tho. Make it louder tho....
Midway up in Stade de France arena the sound was horrible.
Where is big Mick???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mick
Can you make this it happen we one of best artist from Ghana has name is shatta wale he have song with beyonce you can work with him thank you
No more Big Mick?
Big Mick retired.
@@mothergrid-magazine :-(
WHERE IS BIG MICK???
Hasn't been with them since last year IIRC
Big Mick retired.
Mick retired????
Nice someone from India
@@syntaxandRenderThanks!
Is Big Mick not mixing any More for Metallica..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mick
192 inputs?! James has a load of vocal mics and Lars's kit moves around, but 192?! What the hell? How do you even begin to mix that?
Grouping. Also, Lars has 4 kits but obviously can’t play them all at the same time.
@@SuperPol1981 Well yeah but they all still need mics. I just don't get how they get to 192 inputs. Grouping helps but you still need to mix the groups.
@andrew6978 probably some exaggeration involved. Because conviently, 192 happens to be a typical number of max inputs on a certain system. So it could very well be that they only use 173, but 192 is the nearest ”system” number. But let’s count for a bit. He said 30 per drum kit. That’s 120. Guitars: if the still use the same setup as previous tours, it’s 2 axefx-systems per distortion guitar (one is backup), and I guess these are stereo outputs. So 4 per guitar, that’s 12. 132. Then for cleans, I think it was only one separate system for james, and then there’s the acoustic for unforgiven and fade. Let’s say both 2 channels, so 4 again. Total 136. Then some effect loop for vocals, inputs for the intro tapes, the tape for the prayer in sandman (I think it is easier to mix with the band playing when having this on a separate channel from other tapes). Guessing these are all unnecessary stereo connections (but mixed mono of course), so add 6, total 142. Then some technical/utility inputs: a house announcer (”kirks wah seems to be on fire, but please don’t riot people”), a talkback mic for the mixer that only the band hears, a talkback mic to give cues to other crew, a click or countdown track, ... Let’s say at least 4, so 146. Then, since they record every show and you need to capture some audience, you need some audience mics (also is great when using in ear monitoring). Let’s say 4 again. 150. That leaves 42 channels for microphones. Should be plenty, but I can see that you’d need at least a 192-channel setup. Can’t do it with only 128 or 160.
@@SuperPol1981 OK well if they're using 30 (?!) mics on each kit that explains it. That's nuts.
This mixers ego is out of control
I'm sorry but Metallicas live sound just isn't as good since Mick Hughes left
unfortunately that's not the mighty crunchy Metallica live sound. I hope they fix that in the future.
588 speakers.:)
Lighting guy looks like Commander Riker after letting himself go...
I don't know how you would like after having worked your fingerst to the bone for weeks to set up a show that big. And then this guy with the camera shows up and won't stop asking questions.
With all that tech… it sounded pretty bad in Amsterdam on this tour.
You can have all the technology and greatness on paper, but in the end the reality is still not good. lots of people have been complaining about the bad FOH sound, distorted; with lots of echo etc... I'm not talking about the people in the pit or around/close to the stage, but the people sitting high up in the stadiums. Unfortunately even your technology seems not enough to fix this. I guess it's just the nature of the physics involved with the shape of the stadiums and sound waves bouncing of the stadium walls etc... That being said, even if I had only 'cheap' tickets for Metallica, sitting way back and up in these stadiums, I would still expect to have a good sound level...
The sound was great for Metallica but you really butchered the support bands. You could clearly hear how they cut off the higher frequencies for the support bands. Was really disappointing to hear.
The Sound was terrible at both shows!😕
Did you mix at Market Square Arena in Indianapolis Indiana? Because that sounded like shit. It was all echo and distortion. You could barley tell what song was even being played. 20 or more years later I'm still pissed.. .
This is a great documentary, thank you. However, Metallica's show in Amsterdam didn't sound as great as I'm used to from my favorite band in the world.
I'll give them a pass since it was the first show of the tour, but maybe the acoustics of these big stadiums aren't that great for such shows
There are always off nights unfortunately. 40yr anniversary night one was pretty bad live. Night 2 was completely different experience though and made up for it!
Same in Hamburg.
i was there in Amsterdam (night 2), for the type of music in that venue it sounded great where I was sitting (halfway first ring)
the Johan Cruijf arena is horrible vnue.... one of the worst sounding in Europe
Agree. I was on the floor but couldn’t really feel the low end as i used to with Big Mick.
There is one thing about the Johan Cruyff Arena that is common knowledge about it. The sound is horrible because of all the reverb you have in that stadium. I was there only once for a concert a couple of years ago. I noticed they used a very simple solution to get over the sound bouncing everywhere. They dialed the volume way up. That my ears didn't fool me was confirmed this year when I talked with a sound tech from my local theatre. He had it confirmed by a sound tech who worked with a band in the JC Arena. So I am not surprised the show wasn't sounding perfect in Amsterdam. The Arena is just not where you want to fine tune a system like this.
What's funny about this video is that it has not a single piece of Metallica music. Not on background neither on live band shots. Just some crappy generic rock. Other than that it's great.
You need a licence to use their music
The video would get pulled before it was even able to seen. On my other channel I get videos flagged every time I use a metal or rock song.
Remember when Metallica was about the music?
Image how much interfernce those speakers do .
Image that bob McCarthy designed a system where the people in the first 20 rows don't hear Kirk or James Guitar depending on where they stand...
@@JasperSchwinghammer Did you experience that?
its to loud
Really nice tech and all but the sound was horrible.
Can someone explain why the show sounded so godawful at Sofi stadium this weekend?