Bach - Gloria - Mass in B minor
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Gloria in excelsis and Et in terra pax, from J.S. Bach's Mass in B Minor.
Horst Laubenthal
Hertha Töpper
Gundula Janowitz
Hermann Prey
Director: Karl Richter and the Munich Opera Bach Orchestra.-
Richter's interpretation is always the best. Not just musically it gives us solemness and makes us adore God.
Hören Sie sich die h- Moll-Messe unter Jos van Veldhoven an, und Sie werden begeistert sein. 👍
Bach is just one of those composers who you never get tired listening to
I find his music pretty boring, but maybe my musical intellect is just not developed enough to comprehend it.
That is the most beautiful "Et in terra pax hominibus bonæ voluntatis" I ever heard. The message of hope is so accuratly borne by the music. It's breahtaking and so poignant. "Bach ist ein fluß" (Stream is a big river) [Ruisseau est un fleuve].
As Czar Nicholas II craved, I believe, a Mozart Mass when he was assumed into Heaven, this commoner craves Bach's "Gloria" in B minor when he is assumed. If it's not Heaven then this will be my last tinge of beauty for a while. Superlative a performance.
Herr Bach dedicated his entire life to God and this was his humble way to say Glory to God.
This is music of the highest order indeed.
It is fit for heaven.
I had the privilege of singing this every May with The Bach Choir of Bethlehem during my 11 years with that ensemble. I got goose pimples listening to this again. Thanks for the post! I love the way this choir pronounced their "e"s. Proper 'german latin', like our choir was taught.
People ... What a MONUMENTAL WORK ! ! ! !
this is the exact reason I continued my music education
I listen to this every night before going to sleep
It would keep me up but yes I listen to this regularly too it reminds me there is more to life when I think there isn't
Why, fuck you thats why
Divine inspiration of the highest order!
Bach had a job to do for the church. He did it extremely well.
This music is transporting me to another world, a heavenly world which exist only in my head.
I was fortunate enough to be introduced to this music by this magnificent performance. Too many performances rush, and by so doing miss out on the grandeur of this music.
I have a theory for this: the B minor mass is frequently played since the XVIII century, of course with modern instruments, women in the choir and bigger orchestras. In fact, some interpretations were really slow. Then came Richter, speeding up the game, reducing the size of choir and orchestra and following a stricter and clearer phrasing - in fact his choir lines are clearer than most of the HIP conductors. And, tried to play Bach's music in what he thought it was its spirit - with success. Then Harnoncourt and others, to gain popularity and mix the cards of the game, reintroduced boys, SUPPOSEDLY "authentic" instruments, innaturaly flowing rhythms and powerful accents, a "dry" execution with no vibrato, reduced size of the ensembles and also weird pronunciations (see Gardiner) that Bach would not have used and phrenetic speeds. The music remained someway beautiful, but lost effect, to the point that a lot of us can't help but think it is a parody of how it was played some years ago. We could discuss for ever which way is better for Bach... baroquemusic.org at least does a good job in demystifying supposed "authenticity", but the problem is that HIP recordings and interpretations are so dominant nowadays that one has a lot of difficulty to find a non "historically informed" rehersal.
I can't second that enough. I am a first soprano, and had the joy of doing this with a really exceptional choir. It is a terribly difficult piece to learn, as others have said. We did it at about this pace, which is indeed ideal. When it is done faster, you can hear that the sopranos are having difficulty breathing. We NEED to be able to breathe. Once, in reheasal at a particularly frustrating moment, I exclaimed "This man hated sopranos!"' The director, a PH.D. in sacred choral music, said simply, ""Yes.... yes, he did."" LOL
Exactly! Tempo is everything for this particular setting of the Gloria. Here, the grandeur and majesty is beautifully, restored.
Ritcher really understood Bach's music. He really brings out the beauty of the work.
Totally agree. Too many times you hear this piece too fast - faster than Bach ever intended. It ruins it because the choir cannot breathe.
I respect your opinion but have to disagree. The choir is shouting rather than singing. The organ is blasting away with al its registers throughout the entire thing. And the only dynamics Richter uses are slow and slower. Richter was a product of his time with huge monumental ensembles on contemporary instruments creating these impressive and bombastic performances. He get credit for keeping this wonderful music out of obscurity however his way of performing Bach completely loses the nuance that is so important to baroque music in general and especially Bach. I just can't listen tot this and enjoy it after hearing so many wonderful versions from the authentic performers.
gustibus de gustibus -> Richter had himself cald with his Dr. title!
Beautiful!!
I always think of my Guardian Angels for some reason, when I hear this Gloria. It is very beautiful. And comforting.
That is great!
Christmas greetings and thank you to all the musicians and Maestro Richter for this delightful performance.
Sang this as a Bass in 1992 in Leeds Town Hall with Leeds Festival Chorus. Very difficult to learn but worthwhile in the end.
The arpeggios give me chills down my spine like dude this piece makes me believe there is a god
Clear, precise, glorious sound from both orchestra and chorus. Conductor is oh, so subtle, but really knows how to pull the best from his musicians!
Perfect tempo, so elegant and beautiful
It's so glorious. It is not only musical but religious in tone.
This is the best rendition of the song, it’s so beautiful, and this is coming from a Limp Bizkit fan btw
¡¡¡verdaderamente glorioso!!!
I love classical. among others. i admire all music it is all its own art. although without classical we wouldnt be where we are today. such an amazing moment to see the evolution
Superb
For a Lutheran, Bach really knew his stuff well...Amazing though is to find out how many other composers of various faiths did a good job of doing this work too...
Yes!
Bellissimo! Bach rejoices.
Dießen Marienmünster Church in Dießen am Ammersee in the German district of Landsberg am Lech in Upper Bavaria.
Ludzie, słuchajcie tego a życie będzie prawdziwsze , lepsze & jakie tam chcecie.
As Dylan Thomas put it, Johann Sebastian Mighty Bach.
amen Fred, we read in Philippians 4;8. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of a good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things
literals everything you need in a classical ensemble
I sang this in my public high school choir, We did an impromtu performance at Quincy Market in the late seventies, the original flash mob!
me emborracho oyendo esto, DIOS!!!
jaja!! Biemvenido al club!! yo casi pierdo el conocimiento
No será epilepsia?? Váyanse a revisar, algo asi le pasaba a Gershwin al escuchar música y ya saben la historia...
sólo es pasión! pura exaltación, amigo! 5 años tengo!
magisterial!!!
Great all around, but I just love Janowitz. Such a pure voice.
maravilhoso!!!
gracias, gracias, gracias!!! merci, merci, thank you! , dank, dank!!
Very dank indeed
It’s like heaven ah I’m somewhat crying
Beautiful!
Dirige el gran director alemán Karl Ritcher , uno de los mejores interpretes de Bach , murío demasiado joven .
altamente discutibile, ma degustibus!
@@seanmarshall7529 Lei quale versione preferisce e perché? Grazie.
@@passacaglia07 quale onore! Ne ho s accurate tante... Non so dirle (scrivendole ascoltando il prezzo ho sentito delle stonature feminili che un moderno ensemble a 8 voci non farebbe mai (questi sono, a mia impressione lenti (so dice si dice che se il coro non c'è la fa rallentiamo!)))).. Trevor Pinnok, hogeood, pierlot,... Avendo a detto queste stupidate.. c'è ne sono tante di bravi gruppi... Ma tanti.. moderni mi.. vecchia scuola...jûrens, guess the only one... Can hardly sweetie the other names for fear lol ha m if having c an appiplectic fit lol
@@seanmarshall7529 grazie della risposta. Anch'io li trovo un po' lenti. Provo ad ascoltare quelli che Lei ha citato. Buona serata 🙂
@@passacaglia07 lei e ce6ska.... Spero di non avere spagliato troppo.... Evviva la musica' a evviva Bach
I hope to go to mass and hear this but i wont lol.
I must play this on my trumpet in a duet with another trumpet player, it is really nice to play
Alex 4 baseball - You can do it. Just do it. Just go.
Beautiful. Heavenly.
Extraordinario Corp, orquesta y cobra de BACH
Sang the glorious music this weekend with the Community Chorus of Detroit.
Beautiful 😚
It's not too slow really, it's very good tempo.
solideo gloria
Maravilleux Messe du Bach !!!!
Wonderfull Music!!
Wunderschön
the German thing was meant to be light-hearted - I stand by the EU being like a reinvention of the Soviet Union, because it is. If you read what I said, I said the great composers and philosophers were either German or German speakers - you seem to think I was denying this. The rest of your comment is just random stuff that has nothing to do with what I wrote. Ad homenems normally compensate for a weak argument. Merry Christmas :/
I know a faster version, I think it sounds better when it's played faster, but it's still amazing at this speed!!
Perfection !!
Muito Bom, isso sim é cultura
UN GLORIA DIGNO PARA ALABAR A DIOS.
@DannyEastVillage - No passage in the texts of this oratorio is inconsistent with Roman Catholic liturgy: cf., v.g., Ludwig Eisenhofer & Joseph Lechner, "The Liturgy of the Roman Rite", english translation, Herder/ Nelson; 2nd impression edition, 1961. The only consistent argument against the (frequent) use of it in masses is its length: with Bach's opus, a Solemn Mass will last at least three, three-and-a-half hours.
@balbin23 This was recorded 40 years ago
nobody loves German/Austrian music more than I do, I revere Hegel as the greatest philosopher and love the German language, which I want learn more about. The German education system is a model which should be copied around the world.. I could go on. I don't mean to offend anyone, but yes I do have a problem with the EU, but that obviously isn't a 'German' issue, but a kind of meta-national madness sweeping across the continent. Anyway have a good Christmas and best wishes.
Bellissimo, con il raddoppio dei fiati! Nonostante il tempo, è una versione molto più "leggera" di altre, anche più tarde (Karajan).
@DannyEastVillage he was lutheran but his masses were composed for catholic ceremonies. that's why they're played at the vatican.
¡existe el paraíso, señores! Ritcher está allí!!
Thanks very much!!!
Logic cannot approach an inch close to those passions,feelings,that living of life.Only when they experience on their own skin the errors and fallacies of some belief they change their mind.But it is their life,their experience,their passions.How can logic teach you about your feelings or substitute your ears or eyes and your unique experience of your unique life when listening to Bach or experiencing art and life in general?Logic is a weak apparatus that glimmers through our animal existence.
I wonder if... if all those composers like Bach flew to Heaven and listen to the Angel's singing..
Perfect tempo. Why does nobody know???? Richter was so much better than his successors Harnoncourt, Rilling etc. that one can't beliebve, they had success at all.
Ritcher es mucho mejor que Rilling y Harnoncourt, eso es evidente. Pero actualmente ha sido superado por Koopman, Robert King y Suzuki.
Rupert Tmls Karl Richter es superior a todos los que han salido hasta ahora aunque hay personas con diferentes gustos como tú Richter sigue siendo altamente superior a los demás Koopman,Harnoncourt,Rilling,Munchinger,Marriner y otros no le han podido llegar o igualar su forma de interpretar Bach y Haendel.
Although it seems that Richter successors are great they lack the special unique color of the Choir and the high quality trumpet playing along with beautifull loud timpani playing,such a beautiful music effect that nobody can't master at all only the master Karl Richter he is the King of Bach and Haendel music.
Hey Martin!
Majestuosa
Brilliant.
Es Lebe J.S. Bach ! :)
THIS IS HEAT
La comunicación con el ser supremo es muy evidente, agradeciendo por la vida y nuestra presencia en este mundo, agradeciendo por la salud, buenestar y nuestras familias
Magistral...
awesome
@judefox2010 Its not always easy to say where late baroque ends and rococo begins.
Nope, the architecture goes along with the music perfectly. This sort of elaborate quasi-symphonic of a religious text in Latin would never see the inside of one of those boxy wooden Lutheran churches. You would expect one of his chorale preludes or trio sonatas for organ for that sort of setting.
1.
Gloria in excelsis Deo
et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis.
Laudamus te,
benedicimus te,
adoramus te,
glorificamus te,
gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam,
Domine Deus, Rex caelestis,
Deus Pater omnipotens,
sublime,exelso........
an opinion that differs from your own. That is what discussions are for. :)
Poor f*ckin’ neighbors😭😭😭😭😭
Danke
there can be no doubt our beloved composers of past are now amongst those described in Hebrews as being 'in the cloud of witnesses',while not just listening to the angels,perhaps looking down also with concerned anguish at the current trends of today's so-called music overshadowing their great contributions.? TeleBachHand
2.
Domine Fili unigenite, Jesu Christe,
Domine Deus, Agnus Dei,
Filius Patris,
qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis;
qui tollis peccata mundi, suscipe deprecationem nostram.
Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris, miserere nobis.
Quoniam tu solus Sanctus,
tu solus Dominus,
tu solus Altissimus, Jesu Christe,
cum Sancto Spiritu:
in gloria Dei Patris. Amen.
روعة
Bach wrote for the Lutheran Church, not the Catholic Church. The text of the b minor Mass is the same for both, but the b minor Mass uses much less of the text.
People...where this master piece was recorded ?
Great
Can hardly hear bass section in choir. Beautiful high voices though
Hello GCSE music student
La música de Dios
Where is this located???
trop bien
Forget about word absolute.Nothing is absolute.Maybe you didn't understood these sentences:We are a rational part of nature but we are animals also.When passion,inherent to our nature,has the best of us we became illogical.In those moments logic doesn't count.If you were in love or passionate in any other way you will understand that.To believe is not to be logical but to trust your heart.And to answer your remark about big words that you don't understand-it's called education.Try it sometimes.
Comments like this are precisely the reason CZcams should ban them.
@snarkytooth you're mistaken: several passages in the texts of the B-Minor mass are inconsistent with the Roman catholic liturgy.
It was for the Lutheran Church.
@@jeremyheintz1479 Actually, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Bach deliberately made slight changes to the mass texts so that no one church could "claim" his work. The one place that comes to mind immediately is his substitution of the possessive, "ejus" for "tua" in the Sanctus. I believe another appears in one of the arias, but am unable to put my finger on it.
@@DannyEastVillage thank you for the information
@@jeremyheintz1479 you are welcome, Mr Heintz. I located the other "anomaly." Bach inserted the word, "altissime" into the part of the Gloria addressed to Christ.
@tmitch1950 it is NOT the same for both; and in fact, the B-Minor is consistent with neither.
I passed mathematical logic at 2nd year of philosophy studies. Believe it or not, I was 2nd at written test, solving formulas. I wasn't so good at 2nd part of exam, verbal part, when it comes to theory, because it was so boring to me and I was totally uninterested. So, like a little boy detached from reality, I knew how to play with formulas and it was a bit fun. Predicate logic was interesting only when I transformed symbols into people and invented funny stories about their relations.
In reply to Tmitch, 'tho Bach was Lutheran, he wrote this Mass for the Catholic court of Saxony. Lutherans - so far as I know - don't have the Mass (maybe you'd care to check that).
But not in Latin.
+highbrain Lutherans have the Mass. We just return it to it's proper form. Also, although Augustus III was a Catholic, both he and his father had strong Lutheran leanings . . . they simply had to remain Roman Catholic if they wanted to retain control over the sections of Poland they also ruled.
sorry, it seems typewriter music... I'm sorry, terribly... I will remove this if requested! --> only later did I see who was at the podium... that explains the Typewriter! PS the notes are not dotted, should be legato.. if you want it baroque, do a messa di voce here and there...
😂... eine ungünstige Interpretation des "Gloria". Hören Sie sich die h-Moll Messe unter der Leitung v. Jos van veldhoven an. Sie werden begleitet sein. 👍
I am not in the mood to argue with you - sorry if I missunderstood your intention - but even with the little "can you have a word with them ? it does come accross as sarcastical. As if you very much resent the fact that there are German/Austrian composers who have produced some amazing classical music. So again sorry if I missunderstood the intention. I was able to find the translation for Ad homenems so I managed to piece together what it means....
Do not feel attacked by people who have
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They do not look at nature where delicate balance is preserved by forces in constant collision.Species are living in equilibrium to a certain extent and disbalance and extinction are usual and normal.Believers think about order in chaos and go from blind anthropocentric position.On the other hand logic is not the right answer because we are deeply irrational.Remember Tertulian's Credo quia absurdum est.Religion is based on absurd,emotions,irrationality.God is in our heads,we are religious beings