Watching from the Sidelines - Captain Rework, Flamu Kicked from CC, CC Program Overall
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I can remember waaaayyy back in the day when CZcamsrs crossed over to WOWS from WOT and the consenus was how great the WOWS producers were and how well they took feedback. Oh how times have changed.
I remember, yep. My biggest reason for exodus from WOT was bullshit premium shells. I had hoped that WoWs would not fall victim to that crap but guess they found a way to basterdize the game in other ways.
Most likely much of the staff that was around then is no longer around. Remember when they used to do the videos with us being walked around through their massive new building with all the codeheads working. Remember? They now have the game out on Epic... lets be honest here, wherever the game goes, it will likely go without the long-term fans.
It was fun while it lasted. Stopped playing a few years ago
They needed new blood to start wows and the enthusiasts of the game were useful, but not so much anymore.
@@andrewcharlton4053 Same CV rework started it and the PR disaster finished it. They've not had a penny from me since.
i must say it really does say something about WG when everyone including those who love flamu and even flamu himself are celebrating him getting kicked from the CC program
pretty much...
The fact that this is the reality we find ourselves in makes me rather sad to be honest.
Why are they celebrating though?
@@shinki5361 WG lost all filters they have over flamu. Now he's free man with a 100% open mouth WG have no control over
@@shinki5361 they are just idiots of the flamu cult
player: *points out something is wrong*
WG: "Everything is fine"
Me: "Thats what the people in charge at Chernobyl Reactor 4 said and look where that got them"
Everything is fine, this man is just delusional
It's not great, but not terrible.
3.2, not bad, i've seen worse
OUCH!! roflmmfao!!!
No I am not meaning to be disrespectful of all the lives lost and negatively affected by that incident. I am simply noting that people were warned, people "knew" better than to do that, etc and still those in charge decided to be ostriches. Admitting a problem exists is the first step on the path to fixing the problem. Also I think it bears mentioning that so many of us have learned to play the Blame Game, where the fault or problem is dumped at someone's (s) feet. Blame does NO GOOD. Identify the problem, determine root causes and contributing factors, work TOGETHER to find alternative solutions that are better for everyone involved (may not be perfect, but at least better all the way around), and then implement those changes, and see how it actually works. It may work great, or not, and maybe its perfect, or maybe its just as bad or worse. Spreadsheets of data show trends, but you have to remember that in a competitive atmosphere of a game, if there is a winner, then there is a loser by definition. We all cannot get a first place trophy, that philosophy DOES NOT WORK. What I mean is that if the winners are probably happy, not all of them may be because they didn't survive, or they were sacrificed for the betterment of the team or the play, or maybe RNG just did not happen for them. Same for the losing side: maybe some felt it was a great battle that they lost, but others will only see a loss. So maybe there are happy and sad or frustrated players on both the winning and losing sides. Spreadsheets can't "see" that. And what to many of us is so very frustrating is that the game is viable, but WG seems to listen with only one ear and half of their concentration at best, to any server that is not the RU server, WoT or WoWS. Sure, they are a Russian or Belarusian based company basically (if I got it wrong, I apologize) so they make the game code able to work with their wide fan base and internet capabilities, which does cause issues with new and faster pcs and other technology advances. But they seem to have a decided blind spot where any sort of criticism is involved. It seems that they disregard the valuable constructive criticism from the better players world wide, and especially from the CC community. Maybe no one has a fix for something yet, but recognizing that there is a problem in the first place is worthy unto itself. Denying issues, and having zero foresight about changing basic gameplay mechanics that will now be partially incompatible with projects currently under development is just.... well, very poor management and/or inter-company communication. We all want to play a game that is challenging, and therefore should be rewarding too. And it seems that the developers ignore or are unaware of a lot of issues. Maybe they can survive without the international player bases and their revenue streams, but that would mean downsizing the company due to lost revenues. Myself, I rarely spend money anymore on WoT or WoWS because they keep making poor decisions that create even more play imbalances, and rewarding poor players and unicum players, and punishing those in the middle. And if they shrink and shut down the NA servers, I have other games to occupy my time, and I often do. Why play a game that is just a money pit that gives you more frustration instead of relaxation?
Ok sorry for the soapbox.
Clayton Whitman i’m not reading that but I’m happy for you, or sorry that happened
War gaming is just trying out a CC rework lol
That's a good one lmao
it seems it also failed miserably...
The spreadsheet says it's fine.
Well this aged like fine wine
Ohhh the irony. That line aged like a fine wine.
WG is best described by a Rob Walker quote from the Nostalgia Critic Cat In The Hat review: "But the chart says..."
Amen
If wargaming was in charge of climate research they'd seriously claim that the decline of pirates lead to rising ocean temperatures because both curves are clearly looking alike. That's what you get when people read data from a chart but have zero understanding on how that data was actually produced.
Well put, altogether!
Well, i mean, as a War Thunder player, i can say that they are not the only ones to do so...
The spreadsheet says you're having fun
"We want something new and shiny."
How about New Maps, New Battle Modes, Better Match Making?
@White Anjel or shitty reworks
Instead - new OP Russian CVs. Yay.
how about no?
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt
Submersible Tier X Russian CV! :-)
Or secondary builds that aren't useless
"Good reasons" they kicked him because of his January tweet. Predicting that they were gonna force people to pay for skill resets, right after the free reskill event. He quoted that tweet, thrn they kicked him out. Ofc they had to find "other reasons" to pretend it was justified.
in reality they should kicked him long ago ....
@@misiknuo for what? Being the only CC who actually tells the unvarnished truth and didn't kiss ass? I like iChase and all but he takes 3000 words to softly say what you can say in 3. "This is bullshit". He's not a total suck ass like some but he definitely is careful not to step on WeeGee toes. Flamu said exactly what everyone was thinking directly....and he was right.
The people at WG, who have jobs on the line, need to ask themselves this:
Why would Flamu, a guy who has invested 5 years of his life into this game, and earns a living off of this game (without working for WG), want to do anything negative towards this game?
He's good at the game. Maybe he understands it well. Maybe listen to him. Maybe he wants it to be a better game, too.
Because he makes money with ranting?
He seems more like a drug addicted who wants to stop but can't.
I don't have the impression that he has fun with the game. It seems more he does it for the money.
His gives on Twitch and CZcams are enough to make a living from it and he needs an income.
Of course he can do something different but when you have the choice between real work and playing a game you don't like not so much anymore but you cvan at least rant about it, it is a real good option.
The problem is that WG is not interested in creating a better game but one where they can press a lot of money out of. And that’s why their game is really well-designed and successful... just not for us players :)
@@garrettgsf8849 This, as many have said.. WG is only inflating stats to keep certain goals in usage purposely into their "goals" and they dont give a shit in destroying the game.
Helloweener “a drug addicted”? What? Seems you are the “drug addicted.”
Spreadsheet says this was the right decision
Basically they used to understand that customers are what make a business successful. Now they feel they are big enough to not care. I quit months ago. Blowout matches, cvs in general, op cvs specifically, a shit rework. My wallet has gone elsewhere as have I and the friend I played with every weekend
The CV complainers are just a loud minority of mostly competitive players that never even played CVs and just dont want the game to develop into something else then the repetitive cap system. WG is trying to develop the game in a direction that mimics the actual large naval battles in the pacific a bit more with more variables like subs und carriers that change up the way a game plays out.
Without Carriers every single game becomes the same where you can already predict where the radar ships will be camping and where the DDs will be going and there is almost nothing that can deal with long range gunboat dds spamming you with HE. And alot of Ships that made sacrifices in other areas to get powerful AA like Vermont, Friesland or Halland would never have a chance to benefit from it and would become total garbage.
Also i dont get why people STILL have the wrong expectation that a CV is supposed to be on the same level as a surface ship in terms of performance instead being the powerful flagship of your fleet that its supposed to be. OF COURSE carriers are supposed to be more worth for your fleet then a small DD, thats why you have giant fleets escorting them.
@Sweet WildCat Obviously you work for Wargamming.
@@strawberry-parfait3922 Nah people just refuse to adapt their gameplay and complain when they make a mistake and are rightly punished for it. It's one thing for a purple player to give their opinion on why a class of ship is strong. It's another thing altogether when their hordes of tomatoes parrot what they say
@@strawberry-parfait3922 How much are they paying you to shill? Can you introduce me to the WG shilling department too?
@@strawberry-parfait3922 The biggest problem with CVs is the lack of counter play for other surface ships when attacked. When you are attacked by a DD, cruiser or BB you can fight back, you can anticipate them, you have actual actions you can take. When you are attacked by a CV it basically comes down to driving round in circles watching the pretty flashes of automatic AA guns.
Realistic or not it's boring gameplay-wise.
I, for one, can't wait to see unfiltered Flamu videos.
were they ever filtered? xD
Just wait for Submarines! It'll be *Great!
*said no one ever
At least this time they actually take their time with it, Multiple test runs and they even implemented things the testers pointed out. If the class itself is good or bad for the game we shall see but for once their testing process and feed back implementation isn´t nearly as bad as the CV rework one was.
Unless they add Surcouf if not then no one ever but with Surcouf then one person will be happy
@@andreasmuller4666 Yes but it's still horrible, if they implement them in any way they are now it will make the game even worse.
@@taserrr That´s up to personal oppinion i guess. I didn´t find them horrible in the last test and since then some more counter options have been added.
@@andreasmuller4666 Not really an opinion, you should check out the flamu video on submarines (last test). They're too easy to play and land hits and there's no counterplay to it, if you're a BB you basically can't do anything against them, can't dodge the torps and can't kill the sub. It's going to make the game even more passive than it already is, imagine a CV and subs and deadeye and BBs won't come close to the cap all game.
It's just very poor design just like CVs, there's no actual counterplay to them and that's horrible for a PvP game. It might be realistic but realism doesn't make good gameplay.
Lack of counterplay is the direction in the alst 2 years or so it seems, it is easiert to deal damage but much harder to mitigate. Examples for this: CV's, fire spammers, SAP, fast EU torps and 457 guns on a lot of BB's. To me it seems that they are killing counterplay and this is sad.
It seems to me that they are doing their utmost in order to kill the game itself.
@@kevinreed-jones3179 Whilst robbing and ass raping everyone blind till the inevitable death stroke.
Don't forget, that most of those 457 mm guns are on ships no casual player will ever own due to high coal costs and being removed from purchase completely before saving enough of said coal (me) Or those steel ships that only the no-life-24/7/wallet players who own Puerto Rico and every other premium ship ever to go on sale. Or the free xp ships that no casual player will ever own because they can use that xp to get 5 entire tech tree lines to tier X instead.
@@myopicautisticmetal9035 I play casually and was able to get Nelson, Alaska, Friesland, Jean Bart, Georgia and Thunderer for free. It's really not that difficult.
@@myopicautisticmetal9035 Uhh money, the whole point is that they broke the promise of not making T10 ships purchasable for money but they did it either way example Yamato or now Georgia is available for doubloons.
"its not stat shaming, its animal research"
u can go to wows stats page and find worst people in the game .... its kinda amusing . guys with 30k battles sinking one ship every 100 games or so
@@hardkur probably they are using mods to play battles non stop
@@faiqcreates bots play better ...
Which is humorous, Russians are most certainly the types to not give two shits about your feelings and they booted Flamu for calling out shitters.
@@nephalos666 yes. and stat shaming should not only not be illegal at all but should be appreciated! wg should encourage people to stat shame! either it makes those bad players quit the game or quit using our precious oxygen entirely. then the game would actually help making the world a better place.
iChase: got kicked from CC program many years ago
*Flamu holding Darth Vaders mask* I will finish what you started...
Flamu, the potato farmer: WG, you have to listen to the community.
WG: Auhhh! U TOXIC (smash on ban bottom)
To be fair, he has encourage stat shaming and just being toxic in game in general for years. Could the tweet have influenced his removal? Probably, but I think WG just had enough of his toxicity, and I agree, the guy needs to chill
@@cheezybirb7810 If you dont want to be shamed for your stats, just hide them. How hard is that? Using built-in tool to see what everyone else can see is toxic how? Since when is telling the truth being called "toxic" anyway?
@@Houmer Agree, everyone just shits "toxic" when they speak the truth nowadays.
There is a gigantic difference in being actually unreasonable, dirty, rude for the sake of rudeness (toxic) and actually show criticism.
@@Houmer Flamu also mispresents his stats when he's trying to stat shame people, so it's not the truth. He pads his stats by divisioning with friends and uses that statistical advantage as a cudgel to beat down people with solo stats and uses the small differences to dismiss others and lord it over them.
The one single, civilized look at that entire thing i have heard so far. Ofc it comes from iChase. Got some good points there. We shall see if some day something comes out of it.
What you say at 6:30 is exactly what I thought they should have done as well. Kinda like the talents in World of Warcraft were, before Mists of Pandaria. You could have the battleship tree that would focus on tankiness and regen, the cruiser tree that would focus on damage and utility, and the destroyer tree that would focus on speed and concealment.
they didnt axe flamu earlier because he was still selling the game quite well, the flamu way
also, I'm pretty sure they were afraid of the backlash that would result if one of(if not) the biggest wows streamer lost his CC privileges
... Untill he hurt them hard with the whole christmass container shit show...
I've heard the rework actually drove away 10% of the player base and wg just wants to find a scapegoat that takes the spotlight
This is utter bs. I can't think of a single sane person that has never played WoWs who comes to Flamu's stream, watches him for half an hour and then goes like "Yeah, this guy is doing a really great job at advertising this game, think I'm gonna download it now!"
@@rokko1020 No, I'm too dumb. Please enlighten me how Flamu was driving revenue for WG "the flamu way". I'm super curious to hear your explanation.
I would love to see the spreadsheet on how many players have stopped playing in the last 2 years,
Yeah I see comment sections on videos like this with filled with people saying "I stopped played when X happened" but I wonder how much of an actual difference this has made to WoWS's player base
@@bluemountain4181
Of 50 players in my clan 44 left and not returned or logged in, after the CV rework, I logged in last night for the first time in a year I played a single game,
Just a thought. They removed the player count in the port awhile ago. Trying to hide something, maybe?
Back in 2016/17 in wows where around 30k regular online. 40k at patchday. Nowdays its around 20k... I left the game because of the CV rework too... I came back now to play a few games but CVs keep ruining it so I have to stop after 5 matches..
@@mariofan1ish y;r tripping !
Wargaming has become so greedy that they don't care about the CC's the Community or the game. They just care about milking the player base for every penny they got period!
Chase: Sadly, it sounds like WG has gone down the same path as so many tech companies - for example, Amazon and eBay with affiliates at the start - we love you - we support you - you are are partners and links to our customers. Now: affiliates? Long duration cookies? Never heard of affiliates let alone cookies. There is the door. Once these companies exploit affiliates or CC members to grow, they, like a bad lover, lose interest and move on to end or limit the relationship. (We need to see other affiliates, it isn't you... it's us) They may claim it pays off better for them in the long run but they don't try to test the results of really investing in these various partner relationships and seeing their growth or profitability long term so they don't have data to compare. I was a CBT and had a press account with WoWs, along with dealing from early internet days with the other parties.
Yeah, I can definitely see that. Feels very much the same way right now with WoWS CC program
I would also add: Flamu, who, like him or not, I have found, like you, to be an excellent teacher, seems to be acting as if WG can't close his account(s) and stop him from playing if he gets too annoying (to them). It's their football. I hope they don't do it, but it is their legal right.
@@aerospacenews Closing his account would be a terrible mistake. The backlash would be severe(ie Disney vs Gina). Like him or not his influence is fairly large and many of his followers are whales that keep the servers going.
The Siegfried was my favorite ship. The commander rework destroyed the way I played it.
@ANUBHAV SHARMA ofc.
Same for my pommern :(
Rework made me stop playing Mass, Georgia, Flint, Siegfried and that's just off the top of my head. Not as disastrously harmful as the CV rework but still a kick in the balls.
They need to separate CA, CC and CL, and possibly CAV in the future rather then just calling them all cruisers. It's far to broad of a term
Or just go back to what we had before, which had less skills but more variety and catered to all those sub classes...
did you mean CA's, CAA's, CL's, CLA's, and BC's? which ships would you put under CC (I'm assuming that's Command Cruisers or Cruiser-Carrier?). Not sure CAV is... well the V part of it.
@@Seluecus1 USN hull classifications. BB Battleship, CC Battlecruiser (no ships where ever completed with this designation, all where converted to CVs) CAV Aircraft carrying heavy cruiser, DD Destroyer, CL light cruiser, CA heavy cruiser, ect.
ya but WG be like "muh matchmaking times"
@@ATAGOISMYWIFE ?
I’d really like to see captain skills go to a place where a bunch of different builds are viable, instead of everyone taking the obviously best build. If you want to brawl the skills could make it exceptionally better at that. Maybe you can add armor at close range and sacrifice plunging fire protection or speed. Maybe upgrade the caliber of secondary guns. Or make your ship faster and buff the accuracy but your armor is t as good. Just more customizability. There’s a ton of different stuff they could do. I think adding a “design your own ship” festufe could be awesome too, with positives and drawbacks on everything you pick.
Yeah, like that will ever happen. But, it is good to dream.
I feel like the base ships without a captain just suck too much.. Without captain skills some ships suffer alot.. So the skills shouldnt be so mandatory indeed.. You Basicly need a few viable ones all the time..
This is great content. I really liked your guides on Battleships, Ichase.
Really good perspective and general observation of the current affairs 😅
Best Regards,
FLT
Iconic duo: german ships and playable...
@@idshunter4982 Does Roon really fit in this category? I thought i was alone liking here, i've yet to meet someone that likes or does well in her.
@@idshunter4982 Exclude cv, german tends to get punished each time new patch or rework come, german cruiser line is still solid but not for bbs, upper tier like fdg and gk become more and more struggle especially in brawling in current rework. And dds, o god ....
After years of playing, I finally uninstalled last month. I feel like I finally enjoy gaming again. Been trying valheim the last week or so, and I haven't had so much fun in years.
Same, I uninstalled just before the commander rework. Since then I’ve been playing Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts and have been having a ton of fun.
Welcome to the land of the free! Walking away from WG was probably the best decision of my gaming history.
Also, Valheim is a BLAST.
@@barrylinkiewich9688 Yeah. I went to War Thunder even though their shenanigans are on the rise. and If I dont play that, Its World of Warcraft or Division 2.
@@CCM1199 unfortunately WT has similar problems.
I think the better explanation for the Deadeye slipup would be that they nerf it once everybody specced into it, so you have to redistribute your points with Dubloons.
Create a problem, sell the solution.
Ever the diplomat, talking absolute 💯% sense.
You come at it from a different angle than everyone else and eclipse the problem, giving a complete rationale to it all, well done. 😎
I can never play more than a handful of rounds in WoS or WarThunder. They are both run exactly the same and it's ball slappingly stupid.
Its certainly a trait of Slavic Developers for some odd reason. Rather it be Belarus or Russia proper, those developers have very similair problems, though they're successful enough to make decent money, so... I guess they have that.
@@Nurhaal EA makes money, doesn't mean they aren't shady and corrupt.
@@Lukos0036 EA is brazen about it however. WoWS makes a constructive effort to deceive or lie via omission even when blatantly caught.
With EA, we caught them doing the same shit as the WoWS Puerto Rico debacle on SW:BF2 when it came to length of grind and the loot boxes. We warned them in the BETA, they tried to push it through be ended up refunding the game, pleading w/ us and completely reworking shit. Hell, SW:BF2 EA in it's current form is actually very good. Compare that to ... well... anything WeeGee has touched... or Gaijin.... or, any slavic mobile dev/publisher (War Robots was terrible for the same reasons we have to deal with in WoWS), it's a cultural thing likely because unlike EA, WG has no where near the stock value or media presence. EA does. So these smaller Euro/Slav publishers right that perfect middle where they're just successful enough to think they're good at their jobs when in reality, WoWS is 100% fed by gullible suckers.
To each their own, capitalism is what it is - even I play by the rules. I simply won't spend money on the game. Period. Been like that for years. But I have gotten free premiums from WG with them trying to beg me to come back. Lol
@@Nurhaal I never give them money ether. It just seems like a bad idea to feed them. The only FTP game I have spent any money on ever was Star Trek Online years ago. And it was only one ship. Since then I have gotten ships through events and grinding dilithium.
@@Nurhaal Not really. They're just practicing capitalism, and doing it well. Sure they have the "free to play, but not really as you'll get nowhere with a bit of money helping the grind" genre nailed down.
But the basic tenet of "minimal outlay in return for maximum profit" is straight from the western capitalist democracy playbook. I think some of us get pissed off because they do it so well, better than some US companies. (How dare those ex commie bastards out greed us in the west, we invented greed goddammit!)
Bethesda, CD Projekt Red, EA, Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet (Googles parent company) Ford, Chrysler, GM, VW, Fiat, Ubisoft, they all do the same thing within their own field.
That we readily accept it and pay them anyway is the real problem
Great wrap up of the state of the game with some perspectives I hadn’t considered before. Thanks IChase. Hope to see you on the other side of this train wreck!
I love how your hypothetical description of the skill rework at around 7:15 was basically the old skill system in a nutshell lol
Like I commented on Flamu's recent announcement video, It looks the Saltstorm has begun. The only reason I watched Flamu was because of how passionate he was with the game knowing that it can be better and his knowledge of the different ship builds that you can go with. Plus, I watched Flambass because he was entertaining. Used to watch NoZoup a lot but now it seems that he is way out of the loop and trying to be on WG side. Not sure what is going on anymore. And we haven't even had submarines officially released yet.
Zoup lost me when he defended the Santa container fiasco.
@@ljessecusterl Yep. Plus, he just recently misinformed people of what Dead Eye is and what it does. Sometimes, I think he should just focus on his family and come back to the game when things are a little more settled. lol.
@@ljessecusterl Well Zoup comparing vaccines to the Holocaust was a bit much.
I'm in the CC program for War Thunder and you mentioning that "WG aren't listening at all and are just following the spreadsheets" couldn't be more relatable. We've had our fair share of CCs leave the program voluntarily recently, simply because there is such a disconnect between the devs and the community/CCs. They consistently quote their spreadsheets and statistics as to why they've balanced a certain aircraft/ship/tank while we scream at the top of our lungs that it's a mistake, and will only lead to more problems down the road. Now, most of the time it's not necessarily from a commercial standpoint and more of a "We think this is the right direction so we're doing it" and rush the idea through development and shove it into the game. It seems like WT suffers from the same issue where they have very little foresight and don't take the consequences into consideration when deciding what to implement/change. Playing the game has become a chore and it's simply because of the constant barrage of poor decisions and plain disregard for the health of the game and it's sad to see both WoWS and WT are suffering from the same issue.
Edit: In fact, the entire last section of your video is spot on... eerily so...
Sad to hear that WT is the same, really need a 3rd game company to make these kinds of games...ideally not Russia based would be nice
I Call War Thunder "Seal Clubber" it sucks to play any game where advantages are given to any 1 class and only that class like in wows carrier rework and now the addition of this commander skill rework, all of the benefits went to carriers and bb's. I haven't queued up for a random match since the commander skill rework and only twice for ranked.
@@ichasegaming tbh after seeing what activision, ea, rockstar or cd project red are doing/have done those games being Russia based is better...
@@antoniohagopian213 Why? Blizzard does their best, cd project just failed to implement stuff, but the ideas are there and it doesn't look that bad. They can fix the technical issues. EA - yeah, but this is old problem. But still, there are good examples out there. In case of WG we have greed per se. Just don't care about the game and not strategical view. Just grab the money here and now. EA style. But EA is really "unique"...
God, I miss the times, when I just watched your (old, RTS style) CV gameplay in pure awe
Welp I'm so glad I basically given up on the game for a while now.... can we just go back to 2017?
Yes please, time machine plz :D
@@ichasegaming we can use the Serb moonbase money to fund its construction!
now how long you think we got till WG gets the "brilliant idea" to rework Battleships and/Destroyers that will end up totally neutering them
@@ichasegaming I'd like to go back to just after DEBB and right before RNCL launch and become a CC instead of part of ST... you can drop me off there when we get the time machine built! :)
Iconic duo's "WG and fun one-off gamemodes that never see the light of day twice"
Iconic Duos: Batman & Robin; Lois & Clark; Grant & Sherman; Captain America & Bucky; The Ambiguously Gay Duo
NF is and will always still be the king of naval simulationish arcade game. RIP wows
Although their monetization back in the day was equally awful
but at least their gameplay was solid
I enjoy that your view of where the commander skills should go in the future is back to what it was with a larger skill pool essentially.
Wargamings foresight is what they can sell or do in a few weeks/months to milk the player base even more.
"Foresight"? - they have the foresight of Mr Magoo. From wikipedia "Mr. Magoo is an elderly, wealthy, short-statured retiree who gets into a series of comical situations as a result of his extreme near-sightedness, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem."
I've been saying it for 5 years the Devs dont understand their own product and lack the skill to play it in a manner that would give some understanding
They understand their game perfectly well and how to extract the most money from it.
The return!!!
(1) wild euphoria when the new system is announced,
(2) growing concern,
(3) ”near total disillusionment as the systems people realize almost all the goals set down in stage 1 are unattainable (mainly because management has not set down what it wants),”
(4) unmitigated disaster,
(5) search for the guilty,
(6) punishment of the innocent
(7) promotion of the Non participants
Apologies to Ephraim MacLean, professor of Information Systems, University of California at Los Angeles 1972
Thank you! Perfectly put, it seems your investment in education is paying out :D
WG CC program for WoWs is and always has been a case where they toss a few shiny coins at people who give them free advertising and then think they own the CC's right to have an opinion. Let's be real, Wargaming doesn't give a damn about the players or it's CCs being toxic as long as they can turn a buck off them. Flamu's getting kick was because he was starting to get people to notice just how shitty and manipulative WG is about it's "reworks". If it truly had been about Flamu stat shaming and being toxic then it would have happened years ago as was pointed out in the video. WG simply decided that Flamu's opinions were not helping them sell the garbage that is the current WoWs game. It is why when they kicked Flamu, his followers showered him with subs. That should send a big message to WG but it won't.
@@djpupjakefarmboy3407 did you have a point or was that your failed attempt at a mic drop statement?
I decided to abandon ship after seeing the CC summit where WG tried to explain their vision for the NTC. It became clear to me they were seriously out of their depth in terms of real game design. Everything from the CV rework, the Puerto Rico grind, to adding submarines just re-enforced that for me.
😃 Great analysis
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
"Does Wargaming seem like they recognize that issue?"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
No.
*Insert Certain Megatron Meme Here*
Iconic duo: high explosives and gross incompetence
iChase please stay! We need a consistent voice of reason during these troubling times.
Shane from Jimmy Neutron " Never argue with the data"
Really good video iChase. I share the same thoughts on the topics you discussed. The main thing about the flamu fiasco is not him being kicked but the timing and reason . They just shot themselves now. They should have strictly enforced this policy in first place i. e. kicking him years ago. It wouldn't have caused such uproar. Flamu is way too big for WG to put a dent on him at this point
Hmm something I thought about with the captain skills is, that instead of what we have now full skills, you can instead buy the single stats, like -10% reload of secondary battery as standalone or the better secondary accuracy.
Ichase, you are my first wows youtuber I started to follow back to five years ago! Really appreciated for your captain's academy series when wows was fun. But now all i got is the disappointment like you feel.
This is the most "hedging" I've heard in a video in a very long time.
I really like your idea for improved commander skills. It sounds familiar... almost like we had a system like that before...? Hmm, I must be dreaming of the good ole days again.
I feel some pity for those new CCs, they feel so happy when WG gave them that rank, so full of hopes, excited to be able to help in the game and after 1 or 2 months they just dissapear
great to see your content, and hope your studies go well. Good perspective is always the gold standard, sadly we only get 2 and on the rare occasion the third, as I see it. I still love the game, mostly because I prefer to fight Skynet in Coop battles, or in Operations. So maybe my view is askew. The game has a long way to go. as I am sure you would like to see more Commonwealth Ships in the game. Just a wild guess there. Anyway, have a great March, best wishes and success.
Iconic Duos: Gasoline and matches
WG just doesn't care anymore and whenever they do, it's just an attempt to milk players
Yey, good idea on the skills Chace give me my Flint range back, I've given up on the CC's, I followed a couple of guys that got made up and since then they've never reviewed a poor ship, it's so sad and really obvious..I typed that then you mentioned it I'll leave it on lol
As someone who once worked in the gaming industry, I would like to point out that one of the biggest misconception is that games are made great by doing what the players want. No, it's not true. Afterall, the interests of developers and players are fundamentally different. Sometimes it may be beneficial to please the player base, but there are still large differences within the player base. It is especially difficult to tackle for games with competitive multi-player features. This is another reason why data, or “spreadsheets” are much more reliable than players’ opinions.
I don’t think WG hates subjective opinions, but if a CC, namely an “opinion leader”, openly tells WG how to make their game, with all his followers, it poses a pressure WG can’t deal with easily.
Sure, data is important, not saying it isn't. But actively ignoring feedback is something you do at your own peril
Like I pointed out before, spreadsheet is IQ and community is EQ. You need to have both to do well. Sadly nowadays most gaming companies only left with IQ without EQ
You can get the Russian out of the Soviet but you can't get the Soviet out of the Russian.
Can't someone extract the basic code from the game, rewind the last years of updates and start a server with it with let's say a 2017 version of the game?
On a practical level I just adapt. Mostly by going down another Tier. (Used to be Tier VIII but I am not messing with Tier X carriers again, particularly the F.D.R.) So I am now dusting off the Tier VI and VII ships, re-buying some I sold rather than buying the Tier IXs I have unlocked.
The cruiser skill set actually works well with longer-range torpedo cruisers, primarily British and Japanese - being able to take a torpedo speed increase without sacrificing the turret travers upgrade is very useful. I am landing a lot more cruiser torpedoes.
"Eye in the Sky" makes the spotter plane more useful for cruisers that can fit a spotter. It is particularly useful for smoke cruisers, primarily the Brits but also to some extent the Italians.
Well, this aged like fine wine.
iconic duo - Jingles and stupidity
Damn it's been too long since I've met this guy at Anchors Away back in the summer of 2019. Hope you're still doing well.
met you at that battle tour, that was a good night, but would appear WG went down hill from that high at the Lexington
Hey hows it going, thanks for all the awesome content, I wanted to ask what happened to the submarines in this game?
Still in development
i think the only way to change WG is if all big CCs leave the program in protest.
no chance they are greedy too ;)
Realistically speaking, that would do next to nothing to the metrics that they care about, which according to spreadsheet is just profit margin. No, the only way to change WG is if you got a significant chunk of their *playerbase* to leave. When it hurts the bank account, then, and only then, will they begin to listen
You have to remember that some of these CCs make a living off the program, so just leaving would hurt them more, quite a tricky position.
Speaking of Wargaming not listening....King of The Sea purchase is another example. No one wants carriers in competitive modes. KotS was pretty clear about this. A good carrier player on one side vs a bad carrier player on the other is very very hard to overcome.
No one want's carriers in general?
Going on almost 2 terms (22 weeks) of remote classes on a graveyard shift........It sucks.
Having been around when they punted you off of the CC program, and aware of the controversy that ensued then, I am following the unfolding tale of the defenestration of Flamu with interest. (He seems much happier, not sure why he didn't just quit like Jingles did.)
He probably thought he could try to fix it. In his own way. But unfortunately it's like a gal trying to clean up a abusive boyfriend.. I promise I can change him,, I swear. As he beats you and other things
I do not know if someone already said this but- Wargaming and feedback would make the best iconic duo. :D
If it was advertisment, those "CCs" would have to mark it. So CC program got converted to stealth advertisement program "SAP"
And at 4:17 into the video, iChase blunders broadside into a torpedo that was first visible at 3:13! Amazing!!!
WoW has changed the Captain skills so that people will spend/buy doubloons to change their skills to a better setup (I am not Dazzled!). Also, there are now 21 point skills available to captains, vs the previous 19 point skills captains. Once again, WoW calculates that rather than earn an additional 1 million CXP, folks will spend/buy doubloons!!!
Here's an iconic duo: the IJN and artificial reefs.
I stoped playing after CV rework and I thought I may comeback, but after this I won’t.
Welcome back. Good to hear your perspective. School was kicking my wife's butt too, but she's on clinical now and loving it. Good luck. In my opinion, Flamu was kicked b/c he was speaking too much truth too often and someone at HQ got fed up with looking bad. Also in my opinion, we will look back the decision to kick Flamu in a few years as a marker where WG turned a corner for the worse that the couldn't recover from.
Your vision of the captain skill tree is what it was. If they had added skills to the tree without class restriction everything would be better. The only carrier I could ever play was Graf Zepplin (which I got in a random black friday box) with full secondaries and my Bismark captain. The more WG controls the game, the less fun it is to play. I quit two weeks ago after 4+ years, and dont miss it a bit.
War gaming and Balance = oxymoron. I have enjoyed the game since open beta but now my game play is infrequent. I think it will get less as time goes on. Certainly they are not getting any more money from me. No more premiums ships or crates coming to my dock.
Less money, more realization, hopefully...
Dude that would be like a KILLER game for me lol
For now on I pray that all of the cvs that I come up against where me in 4th grade coming back home from school to see that the CV rework happened. (I got crushed)
It's the SirFoch incident all over again.
When he called out wg on changing dead eye fundamentally after the free respec period is over in January and in February got sent a link for a dev stream them saying, yeah it's getting changed after everyone has picked it
Following the community vs Wargaming discussion I always think of the movie Hobbit where the dwarves gets captured by trolls and one dwarf explaining to the other; "You can't reason with them, they're halfwits!" and another dwarf saying; "Halfwits? what does that make us!?"
Those of us who are heavily invested in the Legends version on console are watching what's happening to you guys with GREAT interest.
wargaming and reworks. Iconic duos.
A very iconic duo, any Russian developer and Rubles
@ichase are u still a CC because I thought there was an update to the NDA to include that all CCs are not allowed to speak about Flamuu getting the boot?
yeah, still CC. There's no rule that says I can't talk about it.
Name a more iconic duo than flamu's mods and anime. Kappa
A simple option , play with or without CV. like black listing a player
CV could be fixed if they gave the cv 3 dimensional control (going super high for example to minimize flak accuracy and damage, or low for accuracy or using islands) and gave ships the ability to aim flak guns, though not with pin point aims, but instead a sort of wide dispersion, with stronger aa ships being more accurate. That way the ship shooting planes can actively fire at enemy planes and a cv can make a far more varied attack manner without having the death wall.
Kurfurst and fires, that's my iconic duo
So he can say anything now
He's certain free to, that's the perk of not being in the CC program
iChase, I'm curious: What is the degree major you're working on?
ichase is back!
sorta around ;) I haven't fully stepped away, but too overloaded by school to make much content these days :(
@@ichasegaming it's good to se a video from you grabbing popcorns while watching ! LUL
when it's convenient the spreadsheet says everything, when it's not the spreadsheet doesn't tell the full story.