All About Spokeshaves
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- A spokeshave is a small hand plane doe detail work. once you master this traditional woodworking hand tool much of the art will open to you. here we will be looking at how to sharpen a spokeshave both tang and strait, what is the best spokeshave. round bottom vs flat bottom and much more.
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I found an old Stanley in a thrift store for $2.00. After applying a little love with my sharpening stones, I have a functional tool. Thanks for your great tips and insight!
Most spokeshaves have a very open throat. If you have a piece of wood prone to tearing, try putting a shim under the blade between it and the body. The shim is cut into shape so it coves the whole of the area that the blade contacts the body, and must be kept flat. This has the effect of raising the blade and gives a tighter throat. I have one that I keep permanently set up like this.
thank you for the explanation of this tool, I bought a spokeshave like a month ago and I was so mad because i didn´t know how to use it, this video save me :)
loved the presentation! Learnt a lot.
Nice t-shirt! Next thing you know, we'll see Utz wandering around in the shop.
Lol yup something like that.
Thank you, Mr. Wright!
This is one of the more helpful spokeshave videos, I've seen, IMO.
I've never used a spokeshave before.
But since I started leaning hand woodworking I bought one.
I hung an axe last year, first axe I've hung in over 40 years.
I used a draw knife to shape it but I see others use a spokeshave to finish shape the haft.
So I bought one & I'm just learning how to use it & that's why I appreciate this video.
I should'a bought a new Stanley instead of a used TayTools.
But it's good practice to tune on it
Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
With flat bottom shaves I found it helpful to true up the bottom, much like truing the sole of a plane.
spokeshaves make me happy and make the best curls on the floor of my shop. And my daughter loves to use it too, which means I spend more time with her and not as worried about power tool safety and noise.
Thank you, I've been waiting to see you talk about the Millers Falls!!
Thanks. That is a fun one.
Your sharpening technique for sharpening just made sharpening fun time 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Lol glad to help.
Thanks for these videos. Picking up all kinds of tips. :)
thanks! my pleasure!
My guilty pleasure is a Stanley 65 adjustable chamfer spoke shave
Got a 151 this weekend in a $10 box of random tools. So excited to clean it, sharpen it, and try it out! 🖖Live long and prosper, James!
Nice find.
I just came in from my workbench for lunch. I had been playing with my recently acquired Stanley spokeshave. Well, this student is ready for the teacher! Thanks for providing the lesson at the precisely right time!
That's AMAZING !!! Me too - I bought one last Saturday ! Do you think that he's brainwashed all of the channel followers to buy spokeshaves in a plot to take over the world ? Mine's a Stanley 128 - which one did you obtain ?
LOL that is why the price of spokeshaves just went up!
I just bought a spokeshave (metal) and assumed it went bevel up like a block plane .9 THATS HOW IT CAME) I sharpened the blade and it seems to work but will have to flip the blade to see what happens. Thanks for the great info. Good video.
Well this video is timely, just picked up the Woodriver spoke shave - not a vintage tool but a surprisingly good mid-priced answer to the Veritas if you're unable to go to that level. Very well-machined and weighty. Thank you for more great information!
Nice. Those are indeed a good quality plane.
Great info, thanks lots
Genial el vídeo. Me aclaraste varias dudas sobre Spock shave
Gracias. fue un placer hacer
Thank you Dr. Spock Shave! 👍
LOL
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Been working with a lot of live edge slabs recently and my trusty spoke shave has been invaluable in cleaning up the sap wood, punky spots and residual bark after chiseling it out. Able to follow the organic contours of the tree perfectly.
oh yes they really shine there!
Timely! I just bought a Boggs spokeshave with a curved sole. It’s the first tool I’ve ever owned that isn’t intended for square and flat services. I’m excited to think about the possibilities.
sweet man!sounds like fun times ahead!
Thank you for this video, i have an old hammer adjust spoke shave that was passed on to me with a few wood work tools and other garden tools, a fork and spade that are at least 60 years old so i can only guess how old the spoke shave is. The original owner would be 98 if he were still alive. I like old tools and their history even if i don't know it. I digress, your to the point overview of these great tools has helped me gain a good starting point. Thanks again
Thanks man. I love working with a tool that has a story.
Seems simple but it's not until you see it--thank you for explaining the spokeshave that is just the wooden body and the blade on tangs that you knock in and out with a light tap--One got handed down to me and I just came across it and wasn't sure what to do with it--but now I know!
Glad I could help.
I have a Stanley 151 and a 151R which I find fairly easy to use as long as I’m not expecting a finished product and that I will need to do some sanding. My grandchildren bought me a set of Faithful 1 concave and 1 convex spokeshaves which I can’t get the hang of at all. I don’t know if it’s the design or just that they are cheap tools but I just can't get them to work at all. I remember you saying at the time you had a concave shave that you've never used.
As always a superb video with all the bases covered. Thank you James.
yup. I just never found a use for it. maybe one of these days I will force myself into using it more.
Thanks for sharing that
my pleasure man!
hi James love your vids
thanks man! congrats on first!
An excellent video James. I have a much better idea of what a spokeshave is, what they do, some different kinds and am much more apt to try one. Thanks.
Thanks man! they are seriously fun!
Another very interesting video my friend, keep up the good work. Your videos are awsome to watch!
thnaks man!
@@WoodByWright You are welcome my friend. I love your videos!
One of, maybe even my favorite woodworking tool. Last time I counted it was in the 40’s.... yes I know that’s bad.... but I would be very interested to see a live video dedicated to spokeshaves!!!
I might just do that some time!
On the 151 blade, you can use the holes that accept the depthing screws as a mounting point for sharpening. Screw the blade to a thin piece of wood through those holes. It now has the length of a plane iron, and can be clamped in a honing guide just like one.
I forgot to mention using vice grips I usually find that to be the fastest way to jig it up.
These short instructional videos really are so useful - I'm definitely going to find that other channel ! I guess that spokeshaves must be the easiest way to finish the bars on rounded backs of dining chairs and the like ? Thanks !
thanks Phil yse they are perfect for that application!
Wow! When you scraped it on your head I think I felt a pucker factor. Whew! Joking aside, I really learned a lot from this video. I've watched the videos on making spokeshaves and setting up but I was pleased to see more on the kind of surface on which to use them. What little practice I've done was on flat edges and I still have trouble telling the difference when I'm planing against the grain the wrong way and when I just have too much blade exposed. Inexperience I suppose. Practice, practice, practice.
Practice is key, but often if you are wondering if it is agenst the grain or too thick then it si too thick. LOLO
a nice assembly!
thanks man!
Most pleasurable tool in the shop if ya ask me!
If you want kids to get interested in woodworking, give them a stick of wood and a spokeshave - keeps them occupied for hours
@bigoldgrizzly I do an 1812 battle reenactment here in indiana, and take my homemade shave horse and an old wooden spokeshave and let a hundred kids a weekend play on it. They do really love it and seeing them enthralled with wood makes me happy!
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Kids don't change that much over the years.
I well remember watching and 'helping' my Grandfather make me a new spokeshave body in Holly wood, to fit a spare blade he had. That was over sixty years ago and I still treasure it.
I just got a round-bottom Stanley spokeshave for Christmas and now have some idea how to use it. Now to practise
nice. have fun!
@@WoodByWright Thanks, I am getting there now now that I have sharpened the blade.. The only issue I am having is that with the way it has come set up the plate holding the blade in place seems to be blocking the mouth so that the shavings just jam up and stop it working. I managed to get it working with the plate not pushed down and fitted properly - the shavings had somewhere to go - but what am I missing about the way to set it up? Any chance you can help?
Excelente...
Would a half round spoke shave be good to use in creating a half hull carving?
I used one of those once. My face looked like a spoke afterward. Seriously, I use the 151 flat bottom and 151 round bottom frequently. Every wood worker should have a spoke in his arsenal.
so true! they are so useful!
You’re the only bald guy I know with beautiful wispy curls!😂 I love your content man. You cover many things that I don’t see anywhere else and if I do it’s not as informative as your channel.
thanks Russel. that means a lot!
3:50 I've seen these marketed as cooper's spokeshaves (e.g., the Kunz No. 56), so they may have been used to make wine barrels and stuff like that.
www.tresselt-gmbh.de/index.php/en/spokeshaves/cooper-s-spokeshave
the big one helps de bark wood slabs
Great video as always. Do you have any tips for sharpening half round (concave) spokeshaves without having to purchase anything that would only be used for a concave blade? I have all the essential sharpening equipment for flat blades and the methods I’ve tried for sharpening my half round spokeshave don’t produce a good edge. Thanks in advance
thanks. I just did a video on sharpening molding planes. I would do the same thing there.
Great info! Shopping for a gift for my hubby. At 2:53 you are talking about the one that is your very favorite that can be used as a flat or round but I don't hear what its name or maker is? Do you mind sharing? Thanks!!
That is a Miller's Falls number 1. They are very hard to find and generally expect to spend $100 plus for one that is functioning.
Hi can you help with my 53 adjustable mouth is it for adjusting the cut depths after settling the iron
No need to fine tune with a hammer
Is this right or have I got it totally wrong thanks
In the process of my first bench build with all hand tools and loving every aspect of hand tool work
You are a great influence and teacher in the art of wood work thank you very much
thanks Daniel. yes that is right it is a way to fine tune it a bit.
Could you do a video on flattening oilstones and waterstones, James? Please?
What do you want to know about it?
@@WoodByWright I just want to know if I'm doing it right.
Very interesting and well presented, as always. However I missed the convex spokeshave. I often find it difficult both to set the blade properly and get a fine shaving. Sharpening those can be a challenge, too. It would also be nice to get more in depth on using curved bottom spokeshaves, what radiuses they can handle and how to spokeshave curves. I sometimes find it hard to get consistent shavings inside curves. I often get quite a lot of chatter and not very consistent shavings.
Yup there were a ton of other aspects I could go into. it is a fun topic to dive into.
@@WoodByWright This video was perfect. I just meant those topics as suggestions for the next video. Thanks again for doing what you do!
Hi! Is there a situation where you would benefit from the adjustable mouth of the Stanley no. 53? I have seen, that by adjusting the mouth, the front end moves up from the sole and tilts in a different angle. Is this something similar in use as a rounded bottom spokeshave? Thanks.
For the spokeshave there is not much use for it. It is one of those things that sounds good on paper. There is a reason they did not sell many of them
Great thumbnail
thanks man that was a fun one to compose.
Thanks for the info. Will you be doing a video on drawknives in the near future as well?
Sweet. Those are so much fun.
Do u know where I can find that knurled screw for a 151. I was restoring one and I lost the screw in the center. What thread is it? Worse case I can use an ugly screw and just get by until I can find the right screw. Thx
Check out handtoolfinder.com You can go down the list of online sellers and most of them have parts buckets I'm sure a few of them would have replacements. but in most cases it's actually cheaper to just go buy a cheep one from Amazon and use the parts from that if not just use the new spokeshave.
The title reads spock shave, lol
Welcome to! Would buy right? We like to have a little bit of fun with spelling around here
As always James a very informative video. I enjoy using my new 151 or whatever the new number is but I have an issue at times with the throat clogging. Is there a fix for this or is that just something to work through?
That is often from taking too big a cut or the lever cap grabbing the curl.
That makes sense maybe I should file the lever cap down a little to prevent it from grabbing. Thank you James
Hi. Just found this video after I discovered a Stanley No 73 spokeshave... at least I think it's a spokeshave. It adjusts with slotted screws and not the kind of vertical adjustments that your spokeshaves (like the Stanley 151) do. Are you familiar with this type of unit, and how do I make the adjustments on this one?
I don't know about a Stanley 73 spokeshave. The 73 is a brace. Feel free to send me pictures I'd be glad to take a look at it and help you out.
Solid video with good information! I was thinking of getting my first spoke shave and saw that Amazon (Amazon basics) has what looks like a copy of the Stanley 151, does anyone have any experience with it? (I should probably note that im just looking for an affordable functional tool not necessarily a "heirloom tool") thanks! 🤙🏻
Yes. I have used one of those. It works well though might need initial setup depending on the dating you get.
@@WoodByWright Awesome, thanks!
I just bought a no. 151 flat. But all get is chatter. Does the blade need to be sharper? Also when I place the edge of the blade on a flat surface i see light coming through. So im guessing my blade edge is not true.
Yes. It needs to be sharper. If you see light coming through that's not a problem The edge doesn't have to be perfectly straight it just has to be sharp.
I’m in the market for my first spokeshave and I’m looking for something similar to the Stanley 151. If you were to buy a brand new spokeshave what brand would you recommend that is a good balance between price and quality? I’ve looked at the Stanley 151’s on Amazon and the big box stores but they don’t seem to have that great of reviews. Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!
I would get the one from Tay tools. Really good balance on quality and price.
When you set the reminder at the end of the video. You ACTUALLY set the reminder on my tablet!
LOL sorry I had to give it a try!
@@WoodByWright it is rather amusing when that happens.
Mine said "I'm sorry, I couldn't verify your voice"... looool!
Hello, do you know if the current Stanley 151s are still good ? They're not very expensive so if they work well I'd like to grab a new one. Thanks :)
Yes. They are great. There's not really much that can go wrong with them. Even the cheap off brands on Amazon are actually pretty decent.
@@WoodByWright Awesome thanks :)
The veritas honing guide mk2 can fit a spoke shave iron at 30 degrees
And also, how do you prevent chatter? I have a lot of it when using a spoke shave (I have a two of them, both stanley, a non adjustable flat bottom and a round bottom)
yes it will fit them if they are all there, but some have been sharpened enough they wont fit LOL and some are even shorter then that. I forgot to show the vice grip trick. usually chattering is a sign that they are not sharp enough, but it can also be because the iron is not flat on the bed. and in some woods if you just skew the iron a bit more it will fix it.
Are there ever times when it's best to push the spoke shave instead of pulling it?
Sure. I do both equally. If the grain is running away from me I push. If running tward me I pull
New to spokeshave and drawknife. Had the impression that the concave spokeshave was the appropriate tool for making a spindle or other round item. Is that incorrect? Is a flat spokeshave sufficient?
A concave spoke shave does make spindle work a bit easier but it is much harder to maintain and set up. In the end I generally just use a straight one for any spindle work. Then I can just clean it up a little bit with the card scraper and be done.
Who is the maker of the one you said was your favorite. That would be shave with the screw heads on the end.
That is a Millers Falls. not easy to find.
You forgot to add something about the shavehorse. If you use the bench vise like you did, you will be busy all day. A shavehorse makes it easy to turn your stock and take it out to examine it in a jiffy. If you have a drawknife or a spokeshave, you really need a shavehorse.
If you could have a concave veritas spokeshave. Will you use it?
I own a couple concave smoke shapes but honestly I've only used them once and that was just to try them out and play with them.
@@WoodByWright thank you very much, you save me of buy veritas 3 spokeshaves kit jejeje
Can you make a homage spokeshave? I want a diy one
yes I have a video showing just that linked bellow.
James, I have a bunch of old wood spokeshaves. I have sharpened them to shave all hairs, but no matter how much of the blade is out, I still can't get a decent shaving. Most of the time I get nothing. Sometimes I get a plank of a shaving. Any advice you can give will be appreciated.
usualy the big problem is the angle at which you hold it. for most people that is difficult to master.
Wood bodied spokeshave soles can wear until the blade will take a very heavy cut no matter how hard you try to hammer in the tangs (don't go too nuts). James is right about finding the ideal angle, but with a very heavy cut set, it's all too easy for the blade to catch and produce that plank of a shaving. Try removing a thin wafer of wood from the spokeshave right where the blade is seated (to effectively 'raise' the blade slightly). Test the cutting performance and hopefully you'll get a slightly thinner plank. Repeat removing thin wafers and testing until you have 'crept up' on your desired cut. You might need to slightly enlarge the tang holes as well, but usually these have worn over time so it's not often necessary. Also check whether the wood sole is parallel with the blade, if it's worn concave you may need to true this as well (and then repeat the process to raise the blade). Final step is to wax the wooden sole, it will make the spokeshave glide and you'll find it much easier to find that perfect angle. Actually that isn't the last stage... don't forget to enjoy the pleasure of using a tool that runs beautifully thanks to your efforts in tuning it, oh and put a silica gel pack into your electric router box to protect it from rust... you won't be using that again for a looooong time! :)
What is the number of the one you like the most that had the changeable base? I don’t believe you said it?
That was a Millers Falls no.2
@@WoodByWright thanks!
James I enjoy all your videos. This is unrelated, but maybe you could talk about bit brace history. I have a P&G, 2 Stanley Handyman braces and a Millers Falls and maybe I haven't looked enough but I don't know much about there history. I haven't watched all your videos yet though so apologies if you went over this. BTW don't pay attention to critics they're on every single channel and just lazy (and probably jealous of actual work ethic even though its too fun to be work :)
Thanks Earl. I do love reading the critics they always make me laugh. I don't go into history a lot as that's not part of the subject that really intrigues me but if you really want to know the history on a particular tool I suggest you go over to the unplugged woodworker group on Facebook. there are people there who are incredibly knowledgeable and you'll usually find someone who collects that particular brand and tool.
Just bought my first spokeshave at a garage sale (#51 $10 😁) and the knife has a slight camber. Do you think it's intentional? Practical? Worn out?
Thank you Mr. Wright 👍
Yes. A lot of people like to put a slight camber in their plain irons. It's a personal preference. Personally I don't like to do that.
This may be a stupid question...... but im gonna ask it anyways hahah :P I have zero experience with a shave of any kind.
Im making a tool cabinet, constructing the base unit now I and want to have a gentle curve under the bottom stretchers on the sides and front (it looks "blocky" left square) The piece im gonna saw the curve into is about 18inch long, the curve will go to about 1inch at its deepest point in the middle over the 18inch length. I have no idea of the radius, il be going by eye (what looks right) and will be drawing the curve with a drawing bow like ive seen you make..... if I had to guess at the radius I would say about 2foot (plus or minus massive amounts :P)
Im lookin at new versions of the 151 style shave (double nut adjustment)....... will the flat bottom clean this kind of curve for me, or do I need the round bottom? I know this curved surface wont be seen (its 2inches off the ground) but I see it as a perfect place to practice with my first shave :)
I would definitely use a flat bottom for that. The iron sticks out a little bit farther but you'll still get a good shave. It will touch on the front of the shave and on the back of the shave but not in the middle as long as you go with the grain you'll get a nice clean cut and it will round it out well.
@@WoodByWright Thank you James :) Its probably the perfect excuse for a compass plane....... but a shave will be a much more versatile tool :) and cheaper too hahah :P
Im always astonished at how quickly you reply on here, even on older videos :) I hope you realize how many people you actually help along the way James, youre a proper legend lad
Thanks man. That means a lot. I'll keep thim coming.
I bet these are good for bowmaking....
I used a drawknife but I'm gonna have to pick one of these up
I want to cure some wood staves and make a bow again
Very much so. I draw knife is a rough tool for the job and a smoke shape is The fine Tool. tool.
@@WoodByWright I think the drawknife is a great tool, I self-taught by reading the "bowyer's bible" which is a great book to teach you the concepts. There's multiple volumes but only book 1 is needed to get into bowmaking.
I am 100 percent looking for a used spokeshave in my local area now though!!!
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Do you have a Stanley Universal?
I do not. it is a bigger version of the Miller Falls that I swa showing, but some day I will have one. LOL
@@WoodByWright Asked because I have one and you're right... looked really similar, but there is a fence and the handles can be moved. Great little plane
Dude I was literally trying to fix up my spokeshave by no matter what I put the depth at, it skips.
usualy that is because the iron is not sharp enough or that the blade is not flat on the bed. try Skewing the iron more and see if that makes it easier.
When Spock doesn't shave, is it 5 o clock shadow the next day, or does it go by star date.
LOL of corse!
Do Vulcans shave?
LOL good question!
Why do you drag the spokeshave?
you can push it or pull it just depends on the grain direction and how you are feeling at the moment.
@@WoodByWright mmm OK. I alway push. It's made that way. It's funny. I've tried pulling but never have any joy with it. That's 50 years a wheelwright and luthier. Funny how we learn things.
Isn't the big one a Cooper's spokeshave?
I cooper did use them and they are often called that but any spoke shave that is curved across the blade is called a travisher.
@@WoodByWright I recognized the travisher. I meant the big manufactured plane you were given.
"SPOCK SHAVE"? Is that for getting your eyebrows just right? Or for adjusting the point of your ears? LOL
Tell us a little something about that spoon handled tapper (hammer) on the left side of the lower right section of your tool wall, please. I've not seen that style of hammer handle before, plus, the head looks so small.
LOL thanks. that is a chasing hammer often used for engraving metal.
To the rescue... 67 parts on the way - 'soon as I figure out where to send 'em..
Thanks man. I have an address int he about tab on the channel
“Spock Shaves”. This is illogical captain. 😂
What is a spoke shave for? Big hint; SPOKE shave! get it, SPOKE shave ;-) Now go make some wheels :-)
LOL I do what to make an old wagon wheel some day.
Did you read this one?
came here for the ASMR but why is this guy constantly talking?
This video was from before the switch.
Reported and blocked for disgusting violation of privacy at the end with the assistant command.
LOL I forgot about that one.