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One of the most interesting Star Wars books I've come across, Dark Disciple takes us through the journey of Dooku, Quinlan, Asajj and the rest of the Jedi as we really dive into the story and arc of Vos as a character. As a Sith and a Jedi. A Jedi who turned evil for a woman. Almost a mirror of Anakin's story if you think about it...slightly.
Whether or not Vos survived Order 66 remains a mystery.
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Still a better love story than Twilight 😂
No romance can end happy in Star Wars it seems.
Absolutely right
One thing that made me hate and made me think that AOTC was the worst movie was mainly because of the romance.
I'd say anikins and padmes was better, but u are right
Would be interesting if she had survived
The saddest part of Asajj's story is that she never really broke free from this cycle of immense sufferings, she endured all her life. I think it would've been nice for her to find a longterm peace.
True. But, let's be real... Asajj's redemption arm from Jedi, to Sith, to Bounty hunter, back to semi-Jedi is dope.
Bad-ass Indeed and 3 dimensional. Assaj Ventris This should be our Female Empowerment with Ashoka Tano in the Film Sagas.
Yeah, but someone had to serve as the motivation for some guy we've never heard of. Into the fridge with her.
@@cryofpaine Quinlan Vos appeared in the Phantom Menace and was mentioned in Revenge of the Sith, not to mention had his own comic book series! Not bad for "some guy"!
@@digenesakritas1107 yes, but Ventress is too significant of a character to be used as a tool for his individual development. Maybe if these events moved the whole story at least a little bit further, then it would be more acceptable.
In the animated series, Dooku’s head looks like an Easter Island statue.
Ikr
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Meep Meep It kinda looks like a cross between a loaf of bread and the bird on your avatar.
Ooga booga
@@xr7_nv348 Hazza, someone of quality!
With all these acolytes Dooku could have made his own order.
LedosKell Sidious wont allow him to do that
He tried
The Rule of two!
Tan tan tadadadan tan tadadadan tan, tan tadadadan tan tadadadan tan.
HK 47 Sidious and Dooku don't care about the Rule of Two.
@@Aewon84 What made you think so? Sidious does, he understands that it will keep him safe. My proof? He does not recruit bands of dark side users under his banner; He sends Vader to hunt down jedi and other force sensitive, rather then to corrupt them.
I can partially agree, because he does not see TRoT as Darh, Bane did. But still my point remains
This has to be the most stable romantic relationship in Star Wars.😂
Crisis Among Infinite Darths AC Got a give it to you. You know what you talk about. Can’t really name one more stable.
Not sure there were a few others if you consider legends.
Well Han and Leia looked good till sequels
@@dominicgarstang4753 To be fair, they were stable for years until Ben turned to the dark side.
Crisis Among Infinite Darths AC
Darth Revan and Bastila?
“A failed apprentice makes for a foolish master.”
more like a failed master but I get the quote.
SpartanJ6 no
Anakin(Darth Vader) and Starkiller
@@dwzenix7954 He didn't say he was, Anakin was a failed apprentice and Darth Vader was a foolish master.
@Lelo Stimulous that’s still in question. & they Never expanded into Who his actual Father Was. They were Never specific. For all we know he could easily have been born from The Metaclorians just like anakin Skywalker hence the fact that Vader sense a Comparable & Relatable force from Starkiller Child Form.
Her life was a tragedy. Her death was a tragedy...I wonder how the story of Asaaj is told among the Sith
Probably that she was a weak, confused non-jedi
MoreisMor Sith only care about powerful, and while Asaji shows her willingness to endure her pain, sacrifice for her love, she couldn't kill her master, amd never conquered shit. Sad as it was, she was never truly sith, only another disposable pawn manipulated by Darth Tyrannus. She was never even christened as a Darth like Vader and Maul.
Ventress died a Jedi in my book. At least (wait for it............) from a certain point of view.
(replying in Ventress voice:) "Frankly, dear, I don't give a damn..."
Fun fact:it was assajj ventress who gave anakin his scar above his right cheek during a lightsaber duel on coruscant.
Also,quinlan vos survived order 66 on kashyyk and has a Son with khaleen hentz called korto vos.
Wow thanks didn’t know that second fact but what r u doing in the Star Wars universe kal? Jk lol I like dc too 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I prefer the version where assajj ventres gave anakin his scar on yavin 4
orianpax47 Felkner that did not happen, the duel was on Yavin 4 not the gas giant Yavin...
and on to the real reason am commenting, I think the Anakin got the scar when Ventress found out Anakin and Padme were a couple
And how is this fact useful to us
@@dar-nakkallig yes, that was how it happened in the legends comics, the duel on Yavin 4 was their first meeting
Dooku: Ahh.. ahh... So you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the darkness. Voss was born for it; Molded by it.
This are 2 Awsome characters, Quinlan, and Asajj, specially Asajj. Their stories are great! They definitely deserve to be in the movies!
Asajj has a lot of similarities with Anakin.
GhostWalker 23 Asajji went through more, longer.
No leave her out of it, they'll just ruin her character, look at what they did to Luke its an absolute disgrace.
@@lukemcinerny8220 but, they've already used her, Disney still have creative control over the books, or are we just gonna ignore those because they don't fit the narrative of Disney ruining everything
@@lukemcinerny8220 Agreed, and I also wish they had subbed Quinlan Vos out for another character in TCW. Quinlan Vos was almost completely changed in TCW to where it doesn’t even feel like him anymore.
Palpatine: *sees title* Wait that’s illegal.
Hiro Aneirin “ I will make it legal”
Says the guy who taught Darth Maul when he was the Apprentice.
@@Tahkaullus01 well maul was meant to be more of an assassin than an actual sith lord. And plageus knew about him. But yee that's the dark side for ya lol
It's treason then
Dana White: “ THATS FUCKING ILLEGAL.”
If I remember correctly, wasn't Quinlan briefly seen in Phantom Menace on Tatooine when Anakin confronted Sebulba or something?
Yeah, you can see him sitting there for a second or so.
Aurra Sing was watching from the cliffs too.
@@burna2650 During the podrace, you mean ? Yeah, but the scene with Vos takes place in Mos Espa.
@@shadowcat1606 you right. Voss my dude though. The comic arc of him undercover for Dooku is money. I have an email address that includes sir Quinlin.
@@burna2650 You mean the Legends Clone Wars comics ? Yeah, i liked those a lot.
So she has given you a taste of the dark side and “other things” 😂
👀
jizz
"You were supposed to destroy the sith not join them!" same guy who "Joins" the dark side throws the most powerful sith into a hole.....
Logan Walker Well...we couldn't even count the younglings he slaughtered.
A Toles I like to think that he was just really deep undercover :)
@@ronakchakraborty3207 LOL. Epic.
The hardest pill for me to swallow in all of SW. how he could kill them kids like that. Just never has sat well with me. Those weren’t sand “monsters” they were good kids and he knew it. And he wasn’t a foolish kid anymore he was a General and the Hero of the clone wars.
....Deep cover. Faaaaaaaaak.
This book made me cry. Just simply put, it was very well written and gave justice to 2 of my absolutely favorite characters. Fleshed out their stories and kinda brought the legends framework to light in a sense as well. Yes I may be a big baby for crying, but I found it truly beautiful that someone we all knew was evil, then full of bloodlust, then became full of revenge due to heartbreak over family...and finally found her light through love. Just amazing.
I think that we had witnessed some evidence of Ventress "changing" from the dark, blood thirsty side into something better even before "the Dark Disciple". First, during her first bounty mission, when she decided to break the deal and let the young girl return to her brother, then when she saves Obi Wan when he was captured by Darth Maul and Savage Opress, then again when she is convinced for Ahsoka's innocence and decides to help her prove it and, finally, when she provides Anakin with useful information which lead to the reveal of Barriss Offee as the true guilty of the assault in the temple. For sure, that was still far from the "return to the Light" thing, but we already had been given some hints...And I think that the reason for this turn was her passing the ritual of becoming a Nightsister right after she was betrayed by Dooku. This ritual was supposed to allow someone to indulge into their feelings, even the darkest of them and, instead of being consumed by them, to use them in order to achieve a goal. (btw, a Jedi Master is not able for such a task...) And, of course, her love for Vos was the completion of her formidable arc with her return into the Light, which was displayed perfectly in the form of the absolute sacrifice, that of her own life. Hands down, the best arc story of the whole CW series, too bad it never made it to the screen...
I honestly really like Douku's portrayal in this. It is finally showed that Douku is as full of the dark side as is told. And I wish this was a Clone Wars arc
Ah yes, a secret
Now this is something the Jedi and the sith have in common
Bruh. Why is emperor Lelouch here? Shouldn’t you be dead/hiding in peace?
Couldn’t be more true
It sounds almost like a Shakespearean tragedy. Really well written.
star crossed lovers are such recurring theme in star wars. any romance in star wars has ended in pain.
I read the novel not that great and the canon makes assajj more emotional her character in the EU before Disney she was more cold and calculating like dooku with a proclivity to escalate to more lethal means immediately
It goes against everything the Disney Star Wars stands for. Good writing. Twilight is a better story than the sequel trilogy.
This love story was written better than Anakin and Padme in Episode 2
This love story was written better than Anakin and Padme in Episode 2
I hope he lives and becomes a true grey Jedi. He ends up with a wife and kids, and even has some students
Thats basically what happens, her survives order 66 and goes to have kids
He did in the EU. Read it.
What the hell was the bit where you came into frame with a lightsaber then just left?
I think that's his little way of saying press the like button
Hahaha lol
That's what we gamers refer to as an "Easter egg".
Welcome to Star Wars Theory...😂
LordNul1 N-no...that's not an "Easter Egg" by any means. Not even close to the same thing.
I'd really wanna see Filoni, do this as part of that final season of Clone Wars
Agreed. Why Disney won't allow it is dumb. I thought they wanted our money.
Malachi Phoniex um that has nothing to do with Disney. Dave won’t do it because we already have the book. He doesn’t want to waste time on a story that’s already out there, this final season is to focus on the most important parts leading into Revenge of the Sith. Which is why most of those unfinished episodes we saw years ago most likely won’t be included, with the exception of the Bad Batch episodes.
@@amransom26
If a story is already out there then they should just change the story a little to make it more original, such as having Ventress live at the end of it instead of being killed off, that way they can tell more stories with her character.
@@amransom26 Except the Ahsoka arc from the first chapter of the Ahsoka book will be animated.. The main reason i see that it wont be done is they wanna keep it short and sweet and it already has visuals. Not saying this shouldn't be animated, but theres already pictures and imagery to go along with the story.
@@danielblair4413 Disney reset canon so they wouldn't have to decide "how canon" each piece of EU material was, changing the entire story to have asajj live would ruin that
Quinlan Vos in Legends is the best! ❣
THIS IS SO FREAKING POETIC!!!! Who else would have loved to see this in the clone wars????
Bro.. this book was the one that made me cry real tears. Lost Stars got me in the feels too.
Assaj is Dr Strange, she has seen 14 million outcomes
Fun fact he's actually in the background of the cantina in fantom menace if you look hard enough you'll see him.
It's actually in the phantom menace
xombi my bad thx
“Admiral Enigma”, what is this naming style? Did someone hack into a 12 year old’s WOW account?
LMFAO
Well the author does also write for World of Warcraft as well.
@@Fellinara World of Warships i think he meant
@@mm-ez6xn Me too.is Warcraft even relivent anymore
@@davifmcmonies2306 Well, it has a large concurrent player base even to this day. I'd say it's just lacking in online presence.
”Sith jedi”
Jedi order: *Wait, that's illegal*
Mr. Mister I’ll make it legal
@@maul8384 Then you are lost!
Made Darth Revan proud.
That moment when you’re early and don’t know what to say lol
When I found out about Asajj's death it hit me a lot harder than I thought it would. I was really hoping she had ended up escaping it all and living a life of what could be considered peaceful for her.
It's funny because I never use to care TOO much about her, I just kind of followed her as a character because she was there. It's a strange feeling, realizing her story just . . . ends. She deserved better.
Same here. I had no feelings for her, either way, throughout the entirety of TCW. Then I read "Dark Disciple" several years ago, and it floored me. Writers love to do that: make you care about someone, then kill them.
Kind of miss Komari Vossa...
Yeah, she was a one-off bad guy, but the fangirl with an unhealthy obsession with her Jedi Master Dooku that created resentment within her that sent her to the Dark Side, it was an interesting story.
Add to that, the contest to see who could be strong enough to eliminate her saw Jango Fett victorious and gave Dooku a template for the clone army and Boba Fett.
Frankly, I thought it was a better backstory.
Man I'm so happy you made this video cuz Quinlan VOS is one of my top 10 jedi all-time time favorites and there's not many videos out there about him but after this I kind of want to get that book now
Asajj Ventress was one of my absolute favorite characters, I really thought we'd see more of her; I thought she'd be a more important character since she was introduced in the pilot episode of Clone Wars. I find it fascinating that she's had at least some training from the Jedi, Dark Sisters, & finally the Sith. Yet she still has good in her; I thought of her as the show's kind of mirror image of Asoka but following the Dark side rather than the Force.
I liked to think that Palpatine saw how dangerously powerful of a duo Dooku & Asajj are as well as a legitimate possible threat, which is why he told Dooku to kill Asajj.
You do not have to "think", this was the actual reason Sidious wanted her dead. He stated it clearly, that she had become too powerful. And I agree, Asajj was a fan favourite...Some say they would like her to have survived order 66 and see her in "Rebels". I say that "The Dark Disciple" would have been the perfect conclusion of her character if only we had seen it as a part of TCW tv series...
Quinlin Vos is one of my favorite Star Wars character very layered, nuanced, and complex.
Dammit I always liked Asajj and Quinlan, it is so sad, that they didn't get to be a couple
What I don’t understand is how Yoda could see into Vos and find out what was going on with him but not with Anikan.
because palpatine has the unique ability to completely disguise the dark side of the force, hence why he wasnt dead the first time he met yoda
@@phoenixhellfire2567 so how did yoda see it in vos if palp was disguising the force?
@@mister_padilla6105 Palp probably wasn’t disguising the dark side in Vos because he probably wasn’t aware of it or didn’t care enough about it because it wasn’t part of his plan
Maybe because Anakin's complete turn into the Dark Side happened when Yoda could no longer do something about it. I think his complete turn happened when he massacred the younglings along with other Jedis. After that, things escalated really quickly. Prior to that, Yoda was sensing something disturbing in Anakin and this is why he was never granted the title of the Master (which, in return, gave him another push towards the Dark Side...)
I love how they made Ventress’s character. Finally, we get to see it.
in legends he also had komari vosa whose blades assaj would later wield
Didn't she have a crush on Dooku?
GhostWalker 23 Yep
I didn't even realize that this was made today, I was just watching a bunch of SWT's videos and came across it. Just found out after I finnished watching xp
Ok...?
Ah Quin one of my favorite underrated Jedi's and Dooku assassin great video as always⚡👊👍
Maybe Quinlan will make an appearance in the upcoming Obi-Wan series?
I kind of hope we get to see that one Tuskan Raider Jedi.
I like these videos. I like how you summarize the stories between canon and legends Star Wars in great detail and with so much enthusiasm. I started watching your videos last month, including the Darth Vader movie, and I feel so lucky that there are SO many to continue enjoying.
I think the Dark Disciple story was one of the arcs among the still unfinished Clone Wars episodes (after CW season 7) which, as far as I know, were cancelled in 2014 by Disney taking over Star Wars. I would love to see this (and the other arcs) on screen one day.
Ventress has one of the best character arcs in star wars. One of the best books in the new cannon.
No it is not bro. The old Quinlan Vos comics are way better. Shame on you.
I really hope we get this story animated for the final season of the Clone Wars, it's something I really wanna see
First i really wasnt a fan of ventress but now my love for her has grown. Shes path away from the darkside, not to the light but to just being herself has been really cool
Asajj Ventress is both the femme fatale of the Star Wars Galaxy and also the complete opposite. Awesome and captivating video👏🏼
I wish that Asajj Ventress still lived to this day like Ashoka Tano. Or even Barris Offee.
Groudon The expander of the Landmass Barris survived order 66?
@@333_studios I believe it's not canon that she died with Luminara. Idk actually
Ventress with hair is hot! IJS 🤷🏾♂️😂
Yass
I agree but Ventress WITHOUT hair is hot as well... ijs
@@frankmendieta3857 This is the way.
I don't know about that man. Are you being serious?
Totally HAWT!!!!! With or without hair. Her duels with Anakin were surely a metaphor for “the nasty”. Padme WHO?????
Bane and Sidious really were the only ones who understood the Rule Of Two. Vadar, Dooku, virtually all other Sith; they all say "Let's take our master down together", thereby replacing one string Sith with two weaker ones. Which is exactly what Bane was trying to remove from the Sith when he annihilated the Sith Order. He only succeeded with Palpatine....
Vos's lightsaber reminds me of Qui Gon Jinn's....
New Theory: "What if Snoke didn't pop up at the end of every Star Wars theory?"
"What if snoke was actually cool"
This was an amazing book. Well worth the read. quinlin has always been my favorite Jedi. I hope he returns.
I swear every time I start to get a little bit bored bc of the new stuff I watch one of your videos and it gets me so excited again for the future Star Wars could have
This was one of my favorite stories in the S.W. universe. Great book also. Hope they bring back Vos in something. (comic, show,etc.)
Theory idea: (idk if you’ve covered this before) What if Palpatine and Anakin left Kenobi to die after the Episode III fight with Dooku? What would the aftermath be like?
Hmm Mace gets sent to kill Grievous does so everything plays out the same way except Anakin doesn't fight Obi-wan and keeps his full potential which would actually be worse for the Jedi who survived Order 66
This deserves a movie like Rogue One.
0:12 Miss Sinister Cosplay makes an amazing Asajj Ventress.
cryofpaine Except he didn’t ask to use her image so he’s stealing and editing her content
True. I wanted to make sure she at least got the credit for it.
@@Xanvai to be 100% correct, the content is owned by sublime LightWorks who is the photographer who took the photo and owns the costume. He did not give permission to use this photo in this video either. I know that because I am sublime LightWorks. In addition, the character isn't Ventress by an original Sith that was created based on SWTOR.
Robert Fousch Oops! Sorry! You are correct, I just follow Miss Sinister and was directed here by her
@@robertfousch2703 You're right. She does do a Ventress cosplay that looks similar, but this is her original design, not Ventress.
Palpatine:sees Quinlan and ventress together
Also palpatine: and now you have taken this too far buddy
0:29 you should add “leave a like” or something right here
Dark disciple was a very good read!
Jay Bristowe it would’ve been awesome to see this realised in TCW. If I remember correctly this was going to be a 12 part arc.
@@slushg3326 8 part, but yep
Loved this episode!
Quinlan Vos & Ventress's story is really interesting to hear about both of their struggles between the light and the dark sides, its sad & beautiful story too.
I always love to hear more about them and glean any more insight into the story as a whole . So thanks SWT!
I hope we get some more in cannon lore about these 2 in the future! 🤓🤓🤓
Petition to have a second clone wars movie on this book.
We just need a movie, or TV show about The Old Republic.
Stuff like
Darth Revan
Darth Bane
Darth Plagueis
Bastila Shan
Darth Nihilus
Darth Malgus
Kreia
Darth Malak
Carth Onasi
Canderous Ordo
etc
@@LND209 lame. Rather have Dark Disciple or Darth Plagueis over that
@@theantone7476 I said Darth Plagueis
This is incredible. I love Asajj and Voss so much more now. I'd love to see this made into a film!!
wowww
that was a good story
can't wait to hear more about this jedi
Wouldn't it be the best thing ever if they turned this book into an arc in the new Clone Wars season? I'd love to see Ventress's story come to an end on the screen. They could even make a live action movie out of it, or at least an animation film... That would be some of the best Star Wars content ever and tie up tons of loose ends for people who haven't read the book.
00:13 this is when someone got mad at him for putting a picture in his video that is free to use.
“So, she has given you a taste of the dark side, and other things I gather, too.”
Nice.
I'm actually planning to make Dark disciple into a fan film.
I’d love to see Ventress on the big screen
Finally, a female Star Wars character besides Leia and Ahsoka that was strong, brave, and well-developed/well-written. Not a Ma-Rey-Sue!!!!!!
Bruh, Kotor 1 and 2????
Bastila, Handmaiden, Mira, Kreia? Four right there.
Right!
I go back and listen to this every so often love the story and your telling of it thanks man can't wait for shards part due
@14:31 hits different now.
Ventress is my all time favourite character, thank you for this material
More and more frequently I find myself bored with the whole flippy-floppy from the Light side to the Dark side and vice versa.
I’m far more interested in people who find themselves somewhere within the Gray between the two, who ally themselves with either the Republic/Rebellion or the Separatists/Empire to varying degrees due to a mixture of their own sense of morality and personal, individual reasons.
The stark dichotomy between Light/Dark or Good/Evil feels so stale and overdone.
There are more than two opposing sides to take, and more than two opposing paths to follow in life-and in the Force.
Bjornarmar what are your favorite Star Wars channels?
So, Hondo?
Yes, please! This would be an amazing arc in TCW and could bring forth some really cool figures.
Really liked Ventress character on Clone Wars
Same here. And her voice actress was great!
That pic of you building the light saber in the begging of your videos is awesome!
Ventress was one of my favorite characters I wish I could see her in a live action show.. her character is deep and feels unfinished
I’m really liking Ventress with hair, I was lukewarm on her in clone wars. Now I’m wishing they gave her hair on the show
Such an amazing story. My heart hurts for Ventress. Her character arch is stellar. I can only dream they touch on this in the Clone wars.
Dark Disciple was great. It really did have that Clone Wars feel. Which doesn't surprise me considering it was planned as an arc for the show.
🌟 *Ventress was just dumb, opening Vass open for the dark side...*
smh... She's awesome, but stupid sometimes...
Yea this all could have been avoided if she never introduced him to the dark side
Sure love a good star wars fanfiction in the morning
This wouldve been an amazing story arc for the clone wars
“So she has given you a taste for the dark side... and perhaps other things as well.” >;) heh dirty old man.
Dark Disciple is my favorite Star Wars novel/book. It bares the souls of both characters and shows us the complexities of love and sacrifice. Thank you for presenting this!
I loved Assaj so damn much. One very relatable character when it comes to mannerisms
Seeing this as a standalone film would be awesome! And better than the garbage we currently have for Star Wars
This is a cool enough story to make a full CF movie about. Live action wouldn’t work as Christopher can’t be replaced. But a high quality CG would be awesome.
I have always been confused by Dooku's power level because Anakin barely tried and beat him while jedi such as Quinlan Vos get destroyed
I guess the implication is that Palpatine may have had something (a lot) to do with Dooku losing that fight.
It was Palpatine's orders.
Dooku was to hold back, taunt, and goad Anakin into delving into the Dark Side. At that point Dooku was still technically stronger than Anakin.
Unfortunately, Dooku's downfall was believing Palpatine would bail him out after getting the intended result. And then died with the thought of "so this is the way of the Sith...."
Man, I can listen to you narrate these books for a lot longer than 15 minutes. You got a real talent for vocal intonation.
What an amazing story! This would have been a great movie
I'm here for a Vos sighting during Kenobi. Watching Obi-wan dance around why he can't go do X with Vos, even though it would further the Rebellion/Jedi cause. Would be a fine way to watch Obi-Wan begin his "from a certain point of view" truth dodge.
The disrespect. You're telling me a woman born to literal witches on Dathomir isn't considered "born to darkness" but a kid from the Inner Rim raised as a Jedi is? Shut up Dooku.
vos has a higher midi-chlorians count than asajj and even dooku
Asajj is my favourite clone wars charcater. I see that other people greave that she never got peace that she wanted, however suffering is what makes her character so good. She is strong and after all that she has been through she remains strong and loyal to herself in the end and finds love, the feeling oposite to the dark side that she came from. This whole story and video are really good and I don't mind seeing a bit longer video when it covers the lore so interesting.
I hate that we never got to see this animated. Imagine if we had heard one of if not both of their voices in the end of TROS
If we're lucky we will in Clone Wars season 7
Quinlan is my fave Jedi in Legends, by far. I even have the same tattoo design in my arm.
Yes we need to see quinlin voss again in Season 7 Clone Wars.
Unfortunately though we don't.
@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs we need to see what happens to her, because some people don't read the books.
dude you and eckharts and generation tech are the real MVP's of star wars