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  • Join Ian and Nique this week for the second half of their two-part discussion with Harvard professor, MacArthur Genius Grant recipient, and early-stage investor Roland Fryer. In this episode, Roland shares how, following the murder of Walter Scott, he was inspired to build the best dataset possible to assess how race shapes police interactions in America today. Roland assembled a team to partner with police departments across the U.S. and build a state-of-the-art dataset on policing. His findings shocked many. While large racial gaps persisted on lower-level uses of force during police interactions, even after accounting for potential causal factors apart from race, Roland’s team also found no racial differences in rates of police shootings across race. Roland shares how, in the wake of this research, he encountered resistance within academia as he sought to give an accurate telling of full the story painted by his data analysis, being encouraged by elite economists top exclude unpopular findings from his published papers. Watch the full episode to hear about Roland’s groundbreaking research on the determinates of successful charter schools and how he used that research to launch a new curriculum, “Reconstruction,” which seeks to teach kids a proper understanding of their place and potential in this world.
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Komentáře • 375

  • @bookovza3925
    @bookovza3925 Před 2 lety +244

    Imagine if instead of Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Don lemon, Sean Hannity and Anderson Cooper, we had this kind of analysis on MSM. This country just might function properly. Subscribed.

    • @TheWhitehiker
      @TheWhitehiker Před 2 lety +5

      Sean Hannity would agree with this completely, but not the others on your list;
      missing, though is the disparity between black and white behavior under arrest.

    • @GoldenMean743
      @GoldenMean743 Před 2 lety

      @@TheWhitehiker Funny

    • @McCracken216
      @McCracken216 Před 2 lety +3

      @@TheWhitehiker Exactly. If he's going to count arguing as a use of force, albeit low level, then that goes a long way toward explaining the disparity.

    • @TheWhitehiker
      @TheWhitehiker Před 2 lety +1

      @@GoldenMean743 ?

    • @GoldenMean743
      @GoldenMean743 Před 2 lety +4

      @@TheWhitehiker I thought you were joking, at least about the Hannity idea. A mainstream journalist deserving of a paycheck does not exist in my mind.
      The behavior angle just isn't practical as a research question. Too many variables. You may be able to see this on an individual level. Take two white teens. One is bullied in school for years; the other is not. The bully is loved and admired or at least treated respectfully by teachers, coaches, and admin. The victim is ignored and seen as weird or abnormal. He complains about the bullying and goes to the teachers and admin. No one does anything substantial, and he does so multiple times with similar results. Who will trust teachers and admin more? You get where I'm going with this, and this is something that occurs in schools all over the nation.
      I'm not stating that the Black or Brown community escapes culpability for said reactions. Each community has their problems, and they need to grow and work on those problems. It took mainstream White America centuries to stop believing they were superior to "savages," even after becoming "civilized." The victim of bullying is still culpable for shooting up the school if he decides to, and it's up to him to be resilient and grow through the unfairness. But this is just one variable that needs to be analyzed if we analyze behavioral reactions to anything. Just looking flat at how two people or groups react to anything goes against human nature and how people respond to various stimuli.

  • @SJM6791
    @SJM6791 Před 2 lety +26

    How refreshing to hear an academic say that he’s going to follow the evidence wherever it takes him. Professor Fryer is a man of integrity and that’s exactly what we need right now. I’ll be following him from now on.

  • @rougebaba3887
    @rougebaba3887 Před 2 lety +126

    Professor Fryer has something that no amount of formal education can instill.... Integrity! Integrity is simply an uncompromising commitment to the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it makes himself or anyone else. I get the feeling that this integrity was something that arose out of his relationship with his grandmother. In fact, Prof. Fryer ought to write a book about that relationship. I would read it without a doubt.
    "A boy is often sent to school when it is too late to teach him anything. The real thing has been done already - and thank God it is almost always done by women." From Orthodoxy, by G.K. Chesterton

    • @snackentity5709
      @snackentity5709 Před 2 lety +8

      It didn't used to be like this. It used to be much more widespread in academia that the most virtuous and respected principle was uncompromising intellectual honesty in the face of unscientific pressures. To uncover truth at all cost, because knowing the truth empowers us to make complex and competent decisions when tackling genuine problems. This idea of laying down intellectual integrity in service of personal career concerns and unscientific activism makes me sick to my stomach. It makes me sick knowing how much of academia has been infiltrated by ideology and strong-armed into complying with obfuscating truth. When academia falls to ideology, what are we left with when it comes to sense-making? Who do we trust to tell us how the world works? We can't all be spending 10 hours a day looking through a microscope or looking at sociological datasets. I want the truth, no matter what political, ideological, or corporate narrative it hurts. I don't care if it hurts my own narrative. I've long since embraced the idea that reality owes human well-being and feelings no favors.

    • @Sam-kp7ti
      @Sam-kp7ti Před 2 lety +1

      Gret discussion here.

    • @SJM6791
      @SJM6791 Před 2 lety +2

      I could not agree with you more. Great comment!!

    • @caviarsavings
      @caviarsavings Před 2 lety +1

      @@snackentity5709 Great comment! I could not agree with you more. Thank you.

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@snackentity5709 Good on you. I hope you keep upholding that need for truth, and spread that value around.
      "The truth is enough".
      Roland Fryer.

  • @danieleugenewilliams
    @danieleugenewilliams Před 2 lety +112

    Fascinating discussion by three strong men. The focus on data, reality, good explanations, and economic solutions is refreshing.

    • @leemclaurin9761
      @leemclaurin9761 Před rokem

      Flawed data. His data for his study on racism in policing has been debunked.

  • @theerosarymaker9938
    @theerosarymaker9938 Před 2 lety +17

    I am a Latina. I married a wonderful retired Lawman, who happens to be white. He has ALWAYS told me, "I wish people, who criticize the police, would do a ride-a-long and see what we (the police) deal with for 8 hours a day." I told my husband that he needs to listen to this interview! I have subscribed to your channel :-) BTW I heard about Mr. Fryer from Larry Elder and here I am.

    • @markstallings5768
      @markstallings5768 Před 2 lety +1

      Larry Elder is another very smart man. I didn’t like the way the news media portrayed him during the CA recall last year because I thought he was spitting facts about a lot of things that needed attention in society and a lot of people just didn’t want to hear it. His views were unacceptable and inappropriate in the eyes of many west coast people even though they were directly affected by the issues Larry Elder was bringing up. Education, crime, homelessness, government spending policies, Covid-19 mandates, etc.

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před rokem

      @@markstallings5768 Yes. A very good friend came over one day kind of ranting about who was running against Newscum, and that he had voted for Trump.
      Now, I listen to Elder so I know what he is about. I don't think my friend knew anything about Elder except he voted for Trump. And that was enough for him. I didn't say much at the time, because I knew Newscum would win.
      I like Elder..I like people that are honest about what they think. Even if I don't agree with them. Usually.

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před rokem

      Several.yesrs back the house next door had some drug dealing going on, and a lot of people in and out. I called the cops a lot trying to get rid of the situation. They reluctantly came over sometimes. Months later they finally were able to do a crackdown, and that helped a lot. I was so relieved.
      I appreciate good cops, but I don't like it when they've given me tickets! 😁

    • @jaredstark231
      @jaredstark231 Před 3 měsíci

      💯💯💯💯

    • @imhereforitall9218
      @imhereforitall9218 Před 3 měsíci

      Ok so all you did was find someone that fits the narrative you are looking for. Your statements make zeros sense with all the inclusion of race and ethnicity. So all the other studies that says otherwise to what he discovered I am sure you will discount those right? Latina married to a retired lawman who happens to white. I guess that says it all.

  • @bigjun913
    @bigjun913 Před 2 lety +27

    I have never been so proud to be a man. After seeing these very intelligent men discussing a sensitive topic together without anybody yelling and getting mad. Feels good to be a man, you three guys should be proud and are a big inspiration to young black men and men of any color period...

    • @mickberry164
      @mickberry164 Před 2 lety +2

      Very well said brother!

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před rokem +1

      Very well stated.
      "Feels good to be a man".
      I can envision that as a bumper sticker!

  • @kimj5037
    @kimj5037 Před 2 lety +68

    "I let the data talk, I don't care what it says". We need more people like Roland Fryer in the world. Too many people manipulate data to suit their own agenda. And I loved his boat analogy, (paraphrased a little) "Too many people want to rock the boat until they get in it. Then they're like, 'steady now'". Just awesome, lol.

    • @alexgibson2871
      @alexgibson2871 Před rokem +1

      his wikipedia page is clearly written by someone who doesnt share that view!

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@alexgibson2871 Have heard wiki is full of the ideological bs many other people are full of.
      It's despicable.

    • @latinaalma1947
      @latinaalma1947 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@alexgibson2871Yep the educational establishemnt vested in the status quo along woth teachers unuons and professional organizations.

    • @latinaalma1947
      @latinaalma1947 Před 5 měsíci +1

      THIS IS HOW IT USED TO BE IN ACADEMIA I too was a truth telling professor. The data spoke for itself. Thank God I entered higher ed as a student in 1972, became faculty in 1979 when I finished my PhD. My area of expertise was measurement of IQ....talk about a field of landmines THESE DAYS!!
      I was offered a presidency in my state I would have been the second female president in our state system. BUT there was a US Dept of Justice consent decree... we had to greatly increase Black admissions. Problem was, we were in rural poor communities of large Black populations. The local NAACP had pressured for years to make sure more BLacks graduated high school. Laudable , right?
      Noooo, they demanded special promotion so the schools were graduating students with 5th grade math skills and 7th grade reading skills. These students could not read a college level textbook. They were going to flunk out first semester.
      The US Justice system didnt care nor did the state board of higher eucation...just get it done, get the admitted numbers up doesnt matter if they quit or flunk out.
      The entire public school system had been corrupted to this purpose. As a psychologist I knew what that would do to the self esteem to a Black student to be led to believe they could do college level works...get their hopes up then flunk em out cause they simply cannot pass exams and certainly cannot write college level essays!
      What was needed was a bridge program to raise their skills...but it would take way more than a year to bring those skills up to college level and it would even so take alot of dedication and study time and reading time.
      So failure of the institution itself was being built in..no thanks. I am not leading a disaster.
      I retired early instead at age 50...I had lived on a 40% reduction salary to shelter that income from Federal and state income taxes . I had invested in Tech stocks in the 80s it was 1997 when I retired and sailed off to the Caribbean.
      And. I was right it was a disaster....

    • @kimj5037
      @kimj5037 Před 5 měsíci

      @@latinaalma1947 Unfortunately, the 'culture of low expectations' has permeated the public school system in Canada. And it has affected all students, regardless of skin color. Some 'intellectuals', decades ago, decided it would harm kids psychological health if they were to fail a grade. They felt it was better for kids to remain with their peers. Well, without the consequence of failing a grade, both kids and their parents, no longer take school as seriously. And, when you've got kids that are not interested in doing their best possible work, the natural effect is to lower expectations. It happened slowly, over many years. But, when you look back, it's clear as day. What we also did to kids was take away the pride they should feel at having worked hard all year, and earning the right to move on to the next grade.

  • @kham6006
    @kham6006 Před 2 lety +90

    You guys deserve so many more views -but you speak facts and nowadays people don’t like facts

    • @colinreese
      @colinreese Před 2 lety +7

      Glenn Loury just put it on Twitter.

    • @drewnashty
      @drewnashty Před 2 lety +1

      They also don't like deep thought and critical thinking. These days too many people have a "skindeep" approach to how much critical thought process they put into their lives. Everything is becoming so superficial, as people only pay attention to the surface, those catchy or controversial headlines. We are constantly having to navigate sketchy waters because of the projected delusions of others perpetuated by all of the propaganda and the big circle jerk on the politically aligned news cycles.

    • @neilsimpson9963
      @neilsimpson9963 Před rokem

      Facts is the new hate speech

  • @EccentricAuntWanda1
    @EccentricAuntWanda1 Před 2 lety +19

    "I let the data talk and I don't care what it says" -can't ask for more

  • @pwcoon
    @pwcoon Před 2 lety +5

    Hi, I just learned the name of Roland Fryer from listening to another Podcast. I searched his name on CZcams and found your channel. I conversation was VERY inspiring. FYI I am a 69 year old white man from the south and yes I have some racism I my thoughts and I’m trying to understand stand it. I was raised in a upper middle class family with two WONDERFUL black caregivers that I LOVED immensely. I would always ride with my mother to take them home to the “COLORED QUARTERS” and she would always let me walk them to their front door because I never wanted them to go home. Because the way I was raised I don’t understand why I feel the way I do. Your talk helped me and I think more courses in schools like this information would help everyone. I will follow you and continue to evolve. Thanks!!

  • @TriteNight1218
    @TriteNight1218 Před 2 lety +19

    Roland Fryer is one of the most important social scientists in America right now. A genius level intellect combined with the charisma, work ethic, and drive necessary to tackle some of the toughest issues facing our society today.
    The points he made about identity and how we see ourselves and our own abilities is so important. If drives me crazy when I hear (often from white people) the narrative of black success being dependent on or in relation to the behavior and actions of white people. The same thing is done to young women when it comes to math & science, so I made sure my daughter knew she was just as good or better than the boys in her robotics club. Kids need to believe in themselves to succeed

    • @serpentines6356
      @serpentines6356 Před rokem

      That is so, so true. Children that grow up with abuse, and/or never hear an encouraging word really can struggle hard to find confidence in what they do, or what they would like to do.
      Of course, many overcome things, and find great success in life, but for some it can be quite difficult.

    • @caspianhall
      @caspianhall Před rokem

      Lol do you understand how banking and economics works? Lots of white people control those levers lol even Jamie Dimon admitted it but you’d rather listen to these people than an actual genius who runs a billion dollar corporation. Lol you peoples logic in a nutshell

    • @patricksullivan1827
      @patricksullivan1827 Před 5 měsíci

      I think over totalizing based on some individual collective identity is a big problem. Ex I'm white so I represent all white people l, or Im white so I can be racist against white people. Etc. To much of this with many identities and it spreads like wild fire sometimes!

  • @paigemccormick6519
    @paigemccormick6519 Před 2 lety +21

    I normally choose to watch an episode whose guest I know. I certainly know Roland Fryer.
    However, I can see I need to watch everything Ian and Nique have to offer. Thank you so much!

  • @chrislimnios9180
    @chrislimnios9180 Před 2 lety +6

    My respect for this individual continues to grow.

  • @jameselson8621
    @jameselson8621 Před rokem +6

    Gentlemen, I have followed Glenn Lowry (& John McWhorter) for the last several years. By chance, I found Roland Fryer today. I have followed Thomas Sowell for over 20 years (actually remember him from Firing Line w/ William F. Buckley in the 80's). Kudos to you! FINALLY 'FACT BASED' commentary! I think that I may have found people that have the same intellectual qualities as TS (one of my favorite Americans!)

    • @battlescorn
      @battlescorn Před 4 měsíci

      no disrespect intended, but your phrasing sounds like you are consistently in search of an echo chamber for your existing beliefs. I am not opposed to the findings or thoughts of Dr. Fryer, but what we do with the "data" is just as important as how we gather that data.
      “There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics”

  • @dancewomyn1
    @dancewomyn1 Před 2 lety +7

    Taking them from awful to average in three/four years is HUGE!!! I'm grateful to Fryer's grandmother too, he's a gem of a person, an essential voice in these times.... As Nique said, may he have 3 more lifetimes at least!!

  • @rachell5771
    @rachell5771 Před 2 lety +3

    I applaud the ambition and integrity of Roland Fryer. Great conversation between 3 smart dudes. Honesty is so refreshing 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @michellemartinezjunco5144
    @michellemartinezjunco5144 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This was an amazing discussion, because as a Retired teacher in Las Vegas, teaching only at “at risk” schools, poverty, single moms trying to raising boys, languages, homelessness, we had it all! But what we didn’t have was before and afterschool programs! All schools, with student troubles, should provide before and after school remedial studies with sports teams, Disney grants for school plays, 4H studies, and home economics programs like cooking, and sewing! High expectations from teachers, students and parents! It works! 🥰👏🏼❤️ but the problem is once our school became a four star school, they took our funding away!

  • @andrewpotter4131
    @andrewpotter4131 Před rokem +3

    Thank you for having Roland Fryer on your show , a voice i am following in a world of confusion . He really cares .

  • @MC-eu8wm
    @MC-eu8wm Před 2 lety +12

    How has this not blown up? Big fan of empirical data.

  • @rickhubble7498
    @rickhubble7498 Před 2 lety +20

    I love this! Data driven analysis regardless of feelings. It's like watching a young Dr. Sowell or Dr. Williams opening our eyes.

  • @keithmarkman617
    @keithmarkman617 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Roland Fryer is an amazing person in so many ways- brilliant, courageous, fearless, brutally honest.

  • @sunnyla2835
    @sunnyla2835 Před 2 lety +5

    Such an amazing man. This brought tears of hope to my heart🙏❣️

  • @Political-du8yd
    @Political-du8yd Před 2 lety +10

    Thank you men for having Roland on! This is the first I’ve watched/ listened to you guys, good discussion, we’ll done!, I’ll be listening to you more often! I heard of Roland & thus 1 study about 4-5 yrs ago from Larry elder…has Roland ever talked with Thomas sowell?

  • @melvinmayfield470
    @melvinmayfield470 Před 2 lety +2

    As an educated, intelligent 'Man-of-Colour, I Salute each of You, Gentlemen, for this format & forum, and, Your accomplishments! Bravo!

  • @lucasley20
    @lucasley20 Před 2 lety +3

    Imagine if all professors in higher education had this man's integrity! We'd have such a better country.

  • @yukikoose9435
    @yukikoose9435 Před 2 lety +13

    Can't express how refreshing it is to have people above reproach (sadly since you are all black) talking about these issues. I have some experience working correctional facilities and have always thought the BLM slant was utter bullshit. I really appreciate how you empathize with just how hard the job of law enforcement is. As to your first statistics, It would be interesting to revisit them and see how many low level confrontations were in neighborhoods where there was a high propensity for violent crimes. I suspect, taking that into account, that statistic too would drop to near 0. Law enforcement officers are not perfect of course, However, it is unreasonable for a human being not to develop a negative bias towards a group if their day is spent mostly dealing with crimes perpetrated by that group. Most people would call that racism. Which is a pathetically easy label to reach for to shut down any meaningful conversation.

    • @patricksullivan1827
      @patricksullivan1827 Před 5 měsíci

      Ya racism has been equivocated with a lot. Not having a global perspective or being able to take another perspective, etc.
      I think what your pointing to is a key thing for many other issues. The bias's. That is a difficult thing to tackle, however we could use data to show that our bias isn't always for good reasons, however sometimes it is. It's fuzzy but we might use data set to help correct. But I also think we have to accept some bias is our embodied intuition and actually can be useful. So its complex and I believe no clear track! But with dialogue and inclusion, etc we can bring to the fore and be open about it. That would be useful.

  • @paigemccormick6519
    @paigemccormick6519 Před 2 lety +11

    Roland's reframing of his course to "Black Geniuses" merely changed some appeal aspects--he said he didn't relax any of the rigor or expectations.
    In answer to Ian's questions about equity, etc., in curriculum, Roland says curriculum can inform a student's choice of identity. He's using traditional vocabulary, bless his heart. By identity, I read character and content, like we used to mean and be understood!
    Roland says teach the good and the bad--and he means it. It's not an introduction to the principle of teaching only the bad. Teaching only the bad, or the identity-adapted (new vocab), well that is what critical theory is clamoring for. "Critical" as in criticize ad nauseam, not as in critical thinking.
    Voilà.
    Edit: "I don't want them to think there was slavery, there was jim crow, now there's you!" Beautiful.

  • @zackerythomas3675
    @zackerythomas3675 Před 2 lety +15

    Why wasn't I surprised by the data set from Roland Fryer. I am not even an American or have very high academic achievements.
    My knowledge comes from studying, watching, and observing different views. From Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell to the most left of black American liberals.
    So much I want to comment about here but that is just it too much to say.
    Great diccussion gentleman.

  • @vernonrobinson1685
    @vernonrobinson1685 Před 2 lety +6

    I have a great deal of respect for this guy.

  • @roylangston4305
    @roylangston4305 Před 2 lety +4

    Fryer is an actual scientist: he respects the facts above all else. So rare these days.

  • @Staymadsports
    @Staymadsports Před 2 lety +6

    This is a great show. I really appreciated it.

  • @IhorFiglus
    @IhorFiglus Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent discussion! A lot of quotable material. Thank you!

  • @joelgerard7869
    @joelgerard7869 Před 2 lety +4

    Fabulous! Thank you so much for this honest discussion.

  • @MeanBeanComedy
    @MeanBeanComedy Před 2 lety +3

    I've liked Roland since I heard of him, but I'd only read his work up until now. What a charismatic speaker! No surprises he's seen the success he has thus far!

  • @jerrygoodsell7170
    @jerrygoodsell7170 Před 2 lety +3

    Great discussion. Real facts looked at with an end goal of actually inspiring people to become the best version of themselves. Shows what a difference can be made having supportive people in your environment to inspire.

  • @bdriscollmd
    @bdriscollmd Před 2 lety +1

    Brilliant! Thanks so much for the podcast!

  • @davebannister323
    @davebannister323 Před 2 lety +2

    This interview is " great " , hearing from the Guy's , Roland Fryer dont give up giving the " Truth " , Indeed an old saying " The Truth SHALL set you free " , Once again Guys a great interview , From the UK .

  • @kham6006
    @kham6006 Před 2 lety +39

    Glenn loury always speaks so highly of Roland -nice to see him on CZcams-personally think Roland was done wrong by Harvard -disgusting what they did to him

    • @philibusters
      @philibusters Před 2 lety +5

      That is what I was thinking. I definitely feel like I know of Roland Fryer from watching the Glenn Show even though this is the first time I have watched a video where he is a guest.

    • @NM-qo6cd
      @NM-qo6cd Před 2 lety +2

      You mean what HE did to his students. Absolutely unprofessional, and shameful on Fryer’s end. Hope his wife was forgiving to him.

    • @ChollieD
      @ChollieD Před 2 lety +14

      @@NM-qo6cd Allegations like this, against a professor who is going against the Woke narrative, are likely to be made up stories to distract from what he's saying. I think that he was made a target of harassment allegations the minute that he said that black people aren't actually more likely to be killed by cops while unarmed.

    • @kerrinorman
      @kerrinorman Před 2 lety +12

      @@NM-qo6cd Any proof of that vague allegation? I notice you also make NO acknowledgement of his research but instead go to a likely spurious personal attack. An often used tactic of those who cannot argue a point.

    • @Aleksamson
      @Aleksamson Před 2 lety

      What did Harvard do -to him?

  • @UncommonSense1776
    @UncommonSense1776 Před 2 lety +2

    Great discussion. Glad folks are willing to trust the data and not listen to the narrative. The problem is we have a country the country that seems to be in pursuit of ignorance.
    Bravo gentleman!

  • @animal482
    @animal482 Před 2 lety +5

    I just wish I was an "influencer" and had millions of followers I could share this with.
    Ty

    • @robertewalt7789
      @robertewalt7789 Před 2 lety

      Just share it with those who might benefit, even if it is only a few.

  • @BenWeeks-ca
    @BenWeeks-ca Před 2 lety +1

    You are men of integrity. Whether I like your conclusions or not,
    I am inclined to rank you at the highest level of source credibility.

  • @JB-gr6om
    @JB-gr6om Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great job Roland… it is very refreshing to listen to your pursuit of the truth…. vs. what people want to hear.

  • @rd5854
    @rd5854 Před 2 lety

    One of the most important topics of our day. Please continue this work and please please fix the audio

  • @MeanBeanComedy
    @MeanBeanComedy Před 2 lety +1

    Criminally-underrated channel.

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 Před 2 lety +4

    The truth is enough. Word.

  • @ElmoUnk1953
    @ElmoUnk1953 Před 5 měsíci +1

    5:15 Bravo 👏 Dr. Fryer
    Today, January 1, 2024 I discovered you.

  • @weldner768
    @weldner768 Před 2 lety +1

    Roland is such a star. Thank you!

  • @williama.hovestreydt6623

    Yes! The truth will set us free! Bless you my brother! God bless us all!!

  • @Mercybeat74
    @Mercybeat74 Před rokem

    The honesty is really refreshing.

  • @Napierius777
    @Napierius777 Před 2 lety +1

    Great discussion. Roland's message is gold for all! Development > Lowering Standards. Seems like a young Thomas Sowell. Hopefully, he keeps up the prodigious output just like Sowell!

  • @MrNegative57
    @MrNegative57 Před 2 lety +2

    Wow nice to hear facts instead of feelings. I love his grandma!! What a great simple lesson without it being meanspirited. And I'm one of those " superior"(sarcasm) folks.
    Higher the expectations, better the results.

  • @aharmzway
    @aharmzway Před 2 lety +1

    I have been saying this. I'm over here Crying!!!👏👏👏👏👏
    Thank you! Thank You!
    I got 2 friends😂

  • @dsachsenheimer
    @dsachsenheimer Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the analysis.

  • @kamarteachesart
    @kamarteachesart Před 2 lety +5

    Another legend.

  • @EpiphanysFaithPolitics
    @EpiphanysFaithPolitics Před 2 lety +1

    Just stumbled upon this. So exciting to get this knowledge.

  • @kennethttt5ttt548
    @kennethttt5ttt548 Před 2 lety

    I think I'm in love with Roland's grama! Great video.

  • @gracevalentine1666
    @gracevalentine1666 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Same dynamic in bilingual education- different issues, but the dishonesty is the same. Thanks for the reporting.

  • @wildcathawkins
    @wildcathawkins Před 2 lety +1

    thank you for following the data and being honest

  • @chriskenney4377
    @chriskenney4377 Před 2 lety

    Just found your channel - brilliant, thanks.

  • @daveg5857
    @daveg5857 Před 2 lety +2

    Fryer did a great public service with that charter school study. I don't know why it didn't have the kind of impact to transform schools across the country (or maybe it did and I just don't know). His approach, with his genuine curiosity and unfailing honesty is what's needed to really understand a lot of seemingly intractable societal problems. It's a very pragmatic approach.

  • @rosannacudmore2049
    @rosannacudmore2049 Před 2 lety +5

    Love this conversation! Love hearing facts backed up by the data 🙌🏼

  • @think_foryourself
    @think_foryourself Před 5 měsíci

    I'm so happy I came across this. ❤

  • @paulhill182
    @paulhill182 Před 5 měsíci

    I have a small team working on the curriculum at our school and the discussion in this video is very helpful and I will read up on other articles by Roland the other two participants.

  • @Appleblade
    @Appleblade Před 2 lety +4

    Nice to see CZcams algorithm recommending this to so many people. 😂😐😠

  • @yhwhsozo3680
    @yhwhsozo3680 Před 2 lety

    Yo new sub huge fan!!!! Awesome work guys keep at it!!!!!! Thank you for your contributions and sacrifices. May God bless all the Works of your hands!!!

  • @mokeski2196
    @mokeski2196 Před 2 lety +1

    Would love to see Roland Martin on a show debating these guys.

  • @cjohns1117
    @cjohns1117 Před 2 lety

    Great conversation

  • @drussarmstrong6887
    @drussarmstrong6887 Před 5 měsíci +1

    How is this guy not more well known?

  • @user-wu5rg7jr5e
    @user-wu5rg7jr5e Před 6 měsíci

    An honest and smart presentation. I am a fan, an admirer.

  • @Keesha7Luv
    @Keesha7Luv Před 2 lety +3

    University of Maryland Professor David Johnson Had Similar Findings in 2020 in His Police-Race Study. The Study Was Eventually Retracted!

  • @arhabersham
    @arhabersham Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing interview

  • @Ujett1
    @Ujett1 Před 2 lety +2

    Great discussion and indeed very refreshing and enlightening. I am not sure about the reference to Picasso when there is a Thomas Sowell. It staggers me why the world has not heard of Thomas Sowell.

    • @MrVvulf
      @MrVvulf Před 5 měsíci

      That's where I thought he was going with his comparison. The Picasso comparison struck me as hyperbolic, whereas a comparison to Dr. Sowell and his adage - "Show me the data" is far more apropos.

  • @FiremarshalM1
    @FiremarshalM1 Před rokem

    More Roland Fryer please

  • @jackiekjono
    @jackiekjono Před 5 měsíci

    Roland Fryer for president of Harvard!!!!!

  • @marchess286
    @marchess286 Před 10 měsíci

    Great podcast

  • @barneycserepka7234
    @barneycserepka7234 Před 2 lety +4

    Wow wow really good and this does not apply strictly to Black communities the truth will always set you free and then makes a much better community love what he has to say

  • @kalobrogers235
    @kalobrogers235 Před 2 lety +1

    I would pay high dollars to see similar data points pulled and analyzed across all major cities in the USA from every state.

  • @kellywalsh9373
    @kellywalsh9373 Před 2 lety +1

    The “thank you” at the end….. really beautiful and moving. 🙏

  • @shelleyscloud3651
    @shelleyscloud3651 Před 2 lety

    Subscribed!

  • @welovecheshirecats4557
    @welovecheshirecats4557 Před 2 lety +3

    The irony is the people who deny the data to push a narrative, in the goal of "making things better". detract from the real issues and therefore limit the discussion. Leading to a situation where we never get to the solutions. This is happening across many topics.
    great vid, guys.

    • @GoldenMean743
      @GoldenMean743 Před 2 lety

      The problem is that data isn't in a vacuum. One prof finds data to support this, you better believe some other prof has data to support the counter. Most don't analyze the discourse, context, and methods; they just believe what fits their narrative and agenda.

    • @welovecheshirecats4557
      @welovecheshirecats4557 Před 2 lety

      @@GoldenMean743 If you are a serious scholar like Professor Fryer then you go with the data over narrative.
      Anyone who stops at "disproportionate to pop", without taking all the other factors in to account, isn't serious.

    • @GoldenMean743
      @GoldenMean743 Před 2 lety

      @@welovecheshirecats4557 I don't completely disagree, but the point I was making concerned laymen and the generally educated, if we want to call them that. How many people under this video have actually tried to read Fryer's work? They'll use it. For sure they'll use it because it fits their preestablished values and agenda. They will ignore the fact that 80% of his other material goes against what they already believe, even if he used the same methods to arrive at them.
      But I guarantee a serious scholar can read his work and walk away with criticism of his methods, ideas of the unaccounted variables, etc. And this is where we'd probably disagree; rarely does any scholar take "all the factors into account." Rarely is there a conclusive study. Tight conclusions usually come about in discourse, a group of studies that work off of each other. And a serious scholar knows this.

    • @welovecheshirecats4557
      @welovecheshirecats4557 Před 2 lety +1

      @@GoldenMean743 No, I agree with you. There is a study to back any conclusion. But we can look at the meta data, all the studies in total and get closer to the core conclusions on any subject.
      You are right. For me the issue is that we are shutting down scholarly debate and "the science" is whatever the government/media wants to push to the layman. The Harpers open letter is an example of where we are at. Covid has been the perfect example. Respected scientists smeared or shut down for asking questions or voicing an opinion. Government narratives changing leaving the cancelled out in the cold even though it turns out they may have been right or at least their critiques and questions were valid, etc.
      The fact that I now have to put a caveat stating "I am triple vaxed and followed mask mandates", for fear I will be accused using some strawman argument based on some vague point extracted from my words above! Tragic.

    • @GoldenMean743
      @GoldenMean743 Před 2 lety +1

      @@welovecheshirecats4557 Good points. I think we've been agreeing all along. I love meta-analyses. My wife is a rising nursing scholar and was showing me numerous studies about natural immunity. All suppressed by mainstream media. Even the Vit D link is now coming to the foreground, but early during the pandemic, my wife remembers someone's CZcams channel getting shut down for showing a correlation between low Vit D and Covid severity. Bad time to be an academic or anyone whose work involves dispersing information. Sad and scary all at the same time.

  • @pdexBigTeacher
    @pdexBigTeacher Před 2 lety +3

    "..More time (on task, I suspect), using data to drive instruction, culture of high expectations, tutoring.
    What was the fifth tenant? Did I miss it?
    Also tutoring '4 times or more per year'; should that have been 4 times or more per WEEK per year?
    I'd love to access this research.

  • @alansmith717
    @alansmith717 Před měsícem

    What was the second part at 8:40?
    Also, very great listen as a whole!

  • @lisaroberts8135
    @lisaroberts8135 Před rokem

    The truth will set us free ❤️

  • @marchess286
    @marchess286 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you

  • @marchess286
    @marchess286 Před 10 měsíci

    Roland Fryer should be a chief advisor to the president

  • @tonyb3219
    @tonyb3219 Před 2 lety

    Look at the number of "views" of this video compared to the "likes" for this video.....most people do not want to accept the truth. Sad. Hopefully these types of videos continue despite the unacceptance and disregard of truth. Keep up the good work gentlemen.

  • @zvipatent
    @zvipatent Před 2 lety +3

    I wish Roland would have explained the apples to apples part of the shootings (e.g. more and/or different style of encounter such as resisting arrest)

  • @willbrink
    @willbrink Před 4 měsíci +1

    Look at this in time now and what they did to Fryer.

  • @yukikoose9435
    @yukikoose9435 Před 2 lety +2

    Another extremely interesting statistic to examine is the number of police officers who are shot or killed in the line of duty as a function of race. I have never heard anyone discuss this.

  • @McCracken216
    @McCracken216 Před 2 lety +2

    Arguing is not a use of force. And by definition it's not a 1 way street. Might account for the disparity on low level 'use of force'. A propensity to argue doesn't make one a victim.

    • @McCracken216
      @McCracken216 Před 2 lety +2

      A 20% difference in use of force when the police stated the subject was compliant. Does that make any sense? So the cop is saying the person was compliant AND they still used force? Clearly his definition of 'force' is off.

  • @Michael-yl2iq
    @Michael-yl2iq Před 2 lety +2

    What people don't understand is all humans are flawed and try subconsciously as well as consciously at times to suppress what doesn't agree with their outlook. This happens in all areas from studying social issues to engineering and medical testing.

  • @richardfeit8296
    @richardfeit8296 Před 4 měsíci

    Any way to clear the audio up for Roland?

  • @JohnVander70
    @JohnVander70 Před 2 lety

    The truth will set us free!

  • @tahlia__nerds_out
    @tahlia__nerds_out Před 3 měsíci

    I wish that this man would write some books; I would happily read them!

  • @tokesalotta1521
    @tokesalotta1521 Před 5 měsíci +1

    There's another factor with police using force numbers, and that's the behavior of the civilian. Like he said, it included arguing. The question is, do blacks and whites resist at different numbers? Are they defiant in the same numbers?

  • @dallasstudent1605
    @dallasstudent1605 Před 2 lety +1

    How can we help people if we don't touch the issues?

  • @jonageskuland
    @jonageskuland Před 2 lety

    Thanks Roland!!!!!!!! The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!!
    (Others say: the narrativ, the whole narrative, and nothing but the narrative)

  • @tnator3542
    @tnator3542 Před 2 lety +5

    Such an Awesome podcast. To reflect on what Roland shared about his grand parents' life attitude, I'd like to share something as well. Back in the 90's, a Vietnamese ex-coworker of mine self-studied hard on Weblogic Server and Enterprise Java Beans, to take an exam to be certified as a Weblogic expert. He would print out tons of tutorial papers he found on the Internet. I said to him, 'Wow, you're studying so hard.' I'd never forget his reply. He said, 'In this country, to be equal you have to be better.' And he went on to work hard, take the exam, and became Weblogic certified. I would never forget his words. He came to America and became a real American - work hard and earn every penny you have.

  • @fromthewrath2come
    @fromthewrath2come Před 3 měsíci

    It's refreshing to hear a man who has the passion for Truth. As a white woman who has pursued Truth passionately, it's troubling to hear mocking "whites" as an element of his empowerment. Out enemies are not flesh and blood but principalities and powers who are real and want to pit us against each other. We can be great without stepping on others.

  • @georger6772
    @georger6772 Před 2 lety +1

    Sounds like a younger Thomas Sowell...tied to facts and data 💪🏾