Dwyane Wade And Ex-Wife Battle Over Trans Daughter | Tea-G-I-F

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  • čas přidán 29. 11. 2022
  • Claudia, Al and Funky are talking about the tension brewing between Dwyane Wade and his ex-wife over their daughter wanting to officially change their gender.
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  • @nicoleblu5764
    @nicoleblu5764 Před rokem +865

    I totally agree with Claudia as a parent we should protect the child. Stop putting the child business out there

    • @diamonddivat6919
      @diamonddivat6919 Před rokem +18

      Agreed

    • @nik-at-nite
      @nik-at-nite Před rokem +14

      According to his interview on I AM ATHLETE, he said he wasn’t posting his child for a while. But he got tired of hiding his child and it didn’t seem fair, which I can understand from a parents’ perspective. On the other hand, there can be a thin line between not hiding your child in fear of public opinion and exploitation.

    • @shannonderson8137
      @shannonderson8137 Před rokem +11

      Yes I so agree with Claudia

    • @kkjay951
      @kkjay951 Před rokem +18

      @@nik-at-nite he got tired. Beyoncé and Jay z don’t hide their kids they out in public etc etc Dwayne always posting and putting the child to the forefront. To me the child and his transition should have been a private matter to allow him to come to terms with new changes he is going through. What if he decides I no longer want to be Zaya,but because of the amount of pressure and being so out there he feels as though he can’t go back to being Zion. Wish they handled it like howMagic Johnson did.

    • @angelf.9630
      @angelf.9630 Před rokem +8

      @@nik-at-nite But that's not the problem. He had money plus I don't know why him and his new wife are the only ones making all these decisions. However, his wife since taking this public should at least reach out to this child's mother. Can you imagine as a mother or father, sitting by the sideline, watching your child, your boy or girl, being turned into the opposite of your child and you don't know why? Why not wait until they are 18? Children..he is a child.

  • @camille9997
    @camille9997 Před rokem +275

    She still the biological mother and she do have a voice!!!! SMH

    • @jernesehill1808
      @jernesehill1808 Před rokem

      Not in today’s society, the children have the run of the mill. it’s a pipeline to prison and people are falling for this deadly trap….. these children aren’t given any boundaries and the parents are not allowed to express concern without being criticized and told if they are being too harsh. Meanwhile, the child thinks that they are right and the parent is wrong now the child wins six months later the child is a confused transsexual headed to prison case closed

    • @pamelafrenchie687
      @pamelafrenchie687 Před rokem +1

      You are so right

  • @CocoChanelle-1
    @CocoChanelle-1 Před rokem +37

    I think D’Wayne feels guilty about the “break baby” so he lets Gab do whatever she wants.

  • @susiebrown6646
    @susiebrown6646 Před rokem +30

    Claudia and Al, you knocked it out of the park. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @denisehenry3427
    @denisehenry3427 Před rokem +460

    Claudia said it all. It should have been a family decision. We didn't need to know this.
    Q you can't tell a person how to feel. We don't know how she feels. It's not that simple.

    • @shannonderson8137
      @shannonderson8137 Před rokem +25

      I agree 💯 with you Q you need to say down on this one because you act like you have something against the mother

    • @dariusd2003
      @dariusd2003 Před rokem +10

      What if it was a family decision and she didn't agree with it? Does that mean her opinion outweighs the child and Dwayne's agreement?

    • @MsCarter8719
      @MsCarter8719 Před rokem

      Ioo[o[[o

    • @jauandagraham6051
      @jauandagraham6051 Před rokem

      ​@@shannonderson8137

    • @billivee
      @billivee Před rokem +2

      I don’t really see why the parents opinions should matter too much at all, all you can really do is support your vigils and be there for them.
      ‘Disagreeing with / or opinions’ is just code for she doesn’t agree with that child’s choices, they’re not nine or ten, they’re fifteen.

  • @ms23charli
    @ms23charli Před rokem +161

    4 more years she can do what she wants. Funky stop it.

    • @wyldcardsam
      @wyldcardsam Před rokem

      Not hownit works babes

    • @Leslieboyd099
      @Leslieboyd099 Před rokem +5

      @@wyldcardsam how does it work niece

    • @wyldcardsam
      @wyldcardsam Před rokem +5

      @@Leslieboyd099 trans youth who are under medical supervision can get their name changed and marker changed if their legal guardians and their care team feel that's what should happen

  • @breaknbeat
    @breaknbeat Před rokem +44

    Dineva was determined to be mad😂😂😂

  • @TheHouseofcoolstuff
    @TheHouseofcoolstuff Před rokem +13

    My heart goes out to the mom here. She carry that child for 9 months and birthed a boy and for some woman to come into the picture and try to make decisions on my child will kill me. I truly pray for God to watch over this mother and to protect her from a corrupted system which is destroying our communities!

  • @LIFEWITHSHERIDAN
    @LIFEWITHSHERIDAN Před rokem +313

    I agree with Claudia and Al!!!!!! They have boxed this lady out FOR YEARS!

  • @dianemajor5141
    @dianemajor5141 Před rokem +472

    I’m with Claudia and Al..period

  • @purrfectnails2473
    @purrfectnails2473 Před rokem +68

    Everybody know Dwayne stole those kids and used his star power to do so. That woman has been trying get her kids back for what feels like a decade, or at least 6 years. He had her LOCKED UP at one point for returning them late. He has been so malicious and unnecessarily cruel to Savon. Of course the kids were too young to know they were being bribed and manipulated by Dwayne.

  • @missmarionlewis
    @missmarionlewis Před rokem +87

    I agree with Claudia 100 percent. I was disturbed when they showed a photot online with Zaya kissing her boyfriend. I'm like she is a minor.

    • @queenbeeps9992
      @queenbeeps9992 Před rokem +1

      What😱

    • @pamliamouzon7221
      @pamliamouzon7221 Před rokem +20

      And the "boyfriend" is a girl who transcended to a boy! 😳So biologically, it's a heterosexual relationship, go figure.🤔 Best example of confusion I've ever seen.

    • @keylablacc561
      @keylablacc561 Před rokem +1

      Yeah I dint like dat either smh

  • @PRProPam
    @PRProPam Před rokem +212

    Say that Claudia! It’s way too much information for the public consumption. I’m uncomfortable with such intimate information about a minor. I detest that the natural born mother is disrespected by Dwayne & Gabrielle Union.

  • @larisibbitt8528
    @larisibbitt8528 Před rokem +469

    I agree with Claudia. It should have never been the publics business.

    • @thalia5558
      @thalia5558 Před rokem +7

      Yes I agree with Claudia too.

    • @AvecPoesie
      @AvecPoesie Před rokem +12

      It is sadly clear that Dwayne is pushing on capitalizing on this matter for more money 💰, power, and fame.

    • @rogers5622
      @rogers5622 Před rokem +6

      💯agree. The mother probably doesn't want the child making adult decisions at such a young age in public .

    • @Melanin360Studio
      @Melanin360Studio Před rokem +5

      I agree too. Because it makes it look like he’s doing it for public recognition and not actually the child’s interest.

    • @kurtk9826
      @kurtk9826 Před rokem +2

      Don’t y’all post pictures of your kids? He is supposed to hide his child because he like feminine clothing?

  • @msnatural1000
    @msnatural1000 Před rokem +52

    Claudia is spot on. Gabrielle is a self proclaimed "recovered" mean girl. BULL! She is purposely excluding the mother and we know Dwayne let's her run the show in their house. It's disgusting to me. Like Claudia said they have the money so they can spin any story they want.

  • @Yaya-cl3tu
    @Yaya-cl3tu Před rokem +60

    Gabrielle has very dark energy and I’ve never cared for her. I feel bad for the bio mom. As a mom, this would be my worst nightmare.

  • @tonimalveaux67
    @tonimalveaux67 Před rokem +44

    Are we forgetting that the mother is supposed to have say so?

  • @celebgossip9607
    @celebgossip9607 Před rokem +314

    Claudia is usually the voice of reason and states what most are thinking.

    • @itsquitab
      @itsquitab Před rokem +6

      I agree. And I kind of think she was hinting at how Dwayne and Gabrielle got together, allegedly while he was with his ex-wife. I feel like she wanted to say that. Because every time the story comes up that's exactly what I'm thinking. Yes, the ex-wife was tripping hard when that couple got together, but rightfully so?

    • @pamelafrenchie687
      @pamelafrenchie687 Před rokem

      I agree

  • @buttonsbebe
    @buttonsbebe Před rokem +18

    I’m sick of private family issues going public.

  • @MahoganySteele
    @MahoganySteele Před rokem +12

    At the end of the day, it’s that mother’s child! She should have an opinion.

  • @bobbleheadmoe
    @bobbleheadmoe Před rokem +38

    Gabrielle union needs to sit down. That is not her child

  • @VETASALMONE11
    @VETASALMONE11 Před rokem +668

    As a mother I think her problem is
    “I Had a son not a daughter!”
    “This is my child and my opinion matters”
    “This has gone too far and it needs to stop... I’m sick of these attention seeking weirdos exploiting my child”

  • @lisavcampbelllc
    @lisavcampbelllc Před rokem +112

    Q missed the mark. You’re saying, if we are already calling Zyah by her/she and girl, then what’s the point in waiting for the legal name change? Because, we’re dealing with children, they need structure, leadership, and guidance from their parents. They aren’t mature enough to make adult or legal decisions. Sourvionge is simply saying, what is the rush, in two years baby girl will be 18 and at that point, she’s legally able to do as she chooses. Gabrielle doesn’t have to be completely silent but pls fall back and allow the mother to have a say. Maybe Gabby should go find D Wades “break baby” and bond with him/her 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @urmamasmamasmama
      @urmamasmamasmama Před rokem +9

      👏👏👏👏👏👏👏All of this!!!

    • @ebhill8577
      @ebhill8577 Před rokem +5

      Well said

    • @AFineSinger
      @AFineSinger Před rokem +2

      💯💯

    • @Privy.Things
      @Privy.Things Před rokem +1

      👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • @reelfly
      @reelfly Před rokem +10

      Not bond with the break baby! 😆😆😆

  • @jessinicole7998
    @jessinicole7998 Před rokem +45

    I live in Chicago and I remember when he got custody of his kids. It was also public and he was so dirty to her. In court they asked him the name of his kids teacher, doctor. He said he doesn’t know. She name them. Then they mentioned how he also always had nanny during his days of custody days. She went public and protest how he is manipulated the custody battle. He won full custody. 😢

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +1

      And who or who was the nanny? It was reported or rumored that it was a white man. So you rather have a white man over your black sons rather than the actual mom? And no one till this day speaks on what the white man's sexual preference is.

    • @bananasinpajamas7393
      @bananasinpajamas7393 Před rokem +2

      Shameful.

    • @ebhill8577
      @ebhill8577 Před rokem +3

      Absolutely true ..he was foul...and is using his child as a pay check ....Gabby ain't a A-listing ...and Dwayne is not it in the NBA ...this was a way to live thru his child and get paid for it and Gabby was probably pulling them boot strings ...

    • @MsOneleo17
      @MsOneleo17 Před rokem +1

      His name and money won him custody.

  • @patriciatucker5827
    @patriciatucker5827 Před rokem +509

    Claudia hit the nail right on the head they tried to remove the mother the real mother out of her son's life its almost like the real mom never existed the real mom fought hard to have her children

    • @jessicadean5654
      @jessicadean5654 Před rokem +45

      That’s the mouth dropping part isn’t it? She birthed that boy

    • @Beyondme7700
      @Beyondme7700 Před rokem +44

      @@jessicadean5654 the court system is to be blamed I'm sure she lost custody cuz he got the money the system needs to stop!

    • @d.spigner3077
      @d.spigner3077 Před rokem +13

      @@Beyondme7700 the only reason she lost custody is bc the court found her unfit.

    • @trinadavis5705
      @trinadavis5705 Před rokem +7

      Claudia is on point

    • @blkcoverboy1049
      @blkcoverboy1049 Před rokem +15

      Thats the way it appears but we REALLLY dont know what really went down tho. Just sayin.

  • @willowwillow1748
    @willowwillow1748 Před rokem +218

    The child's biological mother should still have a say so at least until she turns 18.

  • @ciarraleone2040
    @ciarraleone2040 Před rokem +30

    As a parent, I feel that is too big of a decision for a child to make at this time. I would say give it some time and we can revisit this situation. We have never known how the bio mom feels but we don’t really know the dynamics of that family. I completely agree with Claudia and Al.

  • @stoney5713
    @stoney5713 Před rokem +5

    Dwayne was dead wrong, to take away a mother’s rights and then make life changing decisions for that child without the Mother’s say is disgusting. Ain’t no excuses, no one should have to go through that. 💯💯😒🤡

  • @ew1758
    @ew1758 Před rokem +174

    I’m tired of this child being put out in the public. I think these changes should be made once a person becomes of age. The bio mom has a right to make decisions about that child.

  • @tee7954
    @tee7954 Před rokem +542

    I applaud the little boy's mother for not being pressured into going along with this nonsense. Kudos, ma'am.

    • @leogoddess3863
      @leogoddess3863 Před rokem +52

      🎯 She has a rich army against her, but still, she's STANDING TF UP as a mother and I respect it 100%! She knows what's being said about her, and she doesn't gaf, she's focused on her child. RESPECT 💞

    • @wendy10tv
      @wendy10tv Před rokem +29

      Y’all do understand this is a LGBT+ platform/show. Be transphobia somewhere else please.

    • @sparkwhite19
      @sparkwhite19 Před rokem +2

      It is all for not because on the q8th birthday she will go to the court house and file papers for herself

    • @flandrum29
      @flandrum29 Před rokem +38

      @@wendy10tv I thought it was just a human platform

    • @priscillayoung2987
      @priscillayoung2987 Před rokem +11

      @@flandrum29 Well there are two gay hosts so the transphobia seems pretty disrespectful. Kinda like the klan posting on BLM forum.

  • @lm406
    @lm406 Před rokem +12

    The bond between a mother and her child runs deep.

  • @kesay3466
    @kesay3466 Před rokem +85

    This show really reveals people’s inability to think criticality unless it’s s in their limited box. Funky has very limited critical thinking in this situation due to cognitive dissonance.

    • @garvin6142
      @garvin6142 Před rokem +17

      Funky is out to lunch on this one trying to be affirming on this gay issue but the child's biological mother is right wait until of age

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +1

      Yes he does

    • @nataliewalton5118
      @nataliewalton5118 Před rokem +10

      Hes so bias. Its cringy

    • @izoedyourbabydaddy7628
      @izoedyourbabydaddy7628 Před rokem

      Funky is right. There is no official age for a person to start their transition.

  • @helainehunt3072
    @helainehunt3072 Před rokem +99

    I agree with Al.

  • @karladiane2633
    @karladiane2633 Před rokem +305

    It’s sad that Dwayne is doing all this in the public

    • @swiftjustice04
      @swiftjustice04 Před rokem +1

      He is such a low down bastard

    • @garvin6142
      @garvin6142 Před rokem +17

      He's a mean girl like Gabby

    • @JR-eo8dj
      @JR-eo8dj Před rokem +11

      It’s giving credibility to the mothers statement of wanting to create profit off of changing the son to a daughter.

    • @mimiad397
      @mimiad397 Před rokem +2

      I never understood why they made this public so quickly and so soon. This isn't dwanes story and I don't like or think that any parent should benefit from their kids sexuality or gender identity. Why was it so hard for him to wait until she is 18 and old enough to tell her own story! What happens if she turns 20 and it turns out this isn't who she is? It would be too hard for her to do anything about it or "detransition" because her parents already included the public and made themselves "spokespeople". This should have been a private matter until the kid is of legal age. I personally don't think Gabrielle would have agreed to make this so public so soon if it was her own kid, I also don't think she would allow another woman be involved in this.

    • @yobiwolrd07
      @yobiwolrd07 Před rokem +4

      They exclude the break Baby. They both Cold Blooded

  • @aishaegal4514
    @aishaegal4514 Před rokem +8

    Am so glad Al and Claudia said that honestly just being fair is important.

  • @ichellexcel
    @ichellexcel Před rokem +7

    I’m with Al and Claudia.

  • @Shameekk
    @Shameekk Před rokem +269

    Claudia is ON POINT with her comments about when a person has money, they can manipulate any situation to work in their favor. Dwayne has Money and status. He made his Ex out to be crazy and snatched all the children the same way Dion Sanders did his Ex Wife Pilar.

    • @nookiebee504
      @nookiebee504 Před rokem +2

      Right, that lady was under a gag order and could not say anything about the Wades, while he and Gabby exploit her child all over the world.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +11

      @@nookiebee504 exaaaaaaaaaaactly tell that part

    • @Cyndi72
      @Cyndi72 Před rokem +18

      Ludacris too when he cheated and got a woman pregnant before he married Eudoxie, he lied to get custody.

    • @rachelm.3173
      @rachelm.3173 Před rokem +14

      Let's not forget Usher. He did the same to his ex-wife. He's had full custody of their two boys for years. Money talks...cause I find it hard to believe that all these women were unfit moms, to have their children taken away. Smdh

    • @Ualari
      @Ualari Před rokem +3

      Huh?! He won custody after she refused to let him see this child and another child for years. She hasn’t visited this child because she refuses to accept this. Just because you gave birth doesn’t make you a mother. She lost custody of 2 children because she failed to allow visitation.

  • @VETASALMONE11
    @VETASALMONE11 Před rokem +248

    I feel like they are living vicariously through his son. No step mother would have jurisdiction over my child, especially if she’s exploiting my child

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +6

      Thank you!

    • @reneshau.3369
      @reneshau.3369 Před rokem +1

      THANK YOU!!

    • @FG-xc5qj
      @FG-xc5qj Před rokem

      Say that twice!! 👏👏

    • @AKO_Always
      @AKO_Always Před rokem

      These entertainers are on BS

    • @divinegodchild54
      @divinegodchild54 Před rokem +1

      Gabrielle is a piece of shit. How dare you exclude the mother for your agenda ??? You are a parent; and I feel sorry for your child.

  • @paulinebaylock5668
    @paulinebaylock5668 Před rokem +6

    Al & Claudia are spot on!

  • @nookiebee504
    @nookiebee504 Před rokem +30

    You're absolutely right, Claudia. The mom voiced her statement via her partition to the court. Dwayne's camp brought it to social media. His statement was pure nasty, imo! Ive seen pictures of the mom with her kids, so when was she not around? The mom just wants to wait for the child to become of age to make the decision.

    • @dbvavadb3563
      @dbvavadb3563 Před rokem

      Lol stupid stupid comment... the court document is public so all the blog shaderoom and everywhere else brought it up and then Dwayne mind a rebuttal statement..

  • @mannyemma3165
    @mannyemma3165 Před rokem +70

    Claudia you nailed it

  • @kimaleycreese28
    @kimaleycreese28 Před rokem +135

    Q is soooooooo bias. That mom needs to say what her child can and can't do. She carried that child for nine months. Who is using the child as collateral damage, more that Dwayne and Gabriel. Suppose the child come back and says I want to be called a he again?

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem +3

      Have u seen that child. Nothing in that child will be wanting to be a "boy " again. And she wanted to just switch it back. Yall acting like it's life or death

    • @mielissa100ify
      @mielissa100ify Před rokem +4

      @@adoreme4245right. People swear it’s so normal for people to go back and forth between being gay or straight

    • @golds745
      @golds745 Před rokem +10

      @@adoreme4245 he is a child both parents should make the decision and if they can’t agree then the child should wait until he’s 18.

    • @nataliewalton5118
      @nataliewalton5118 Před rokem +11

      Facts. Hes basically saying that kids should do what they want and that the mother should respect it cause it makes them happy.

    • @Privy.Things
      @Privy.Things Před rokem +1

      👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @telecia
    @telecia Před rokem +4

    Que I’m witcha when you right but in this instance, I have to agree with Claudia and Al on this one. I’ve been saying this for years and I’m glad they put it out there

  • @newsworthy2082
    @newsworthy2082 Před rokem +6

    The ex wife moved from Chicago to Florida after Dewayne got custody to see her children, but Dewayne denies her in every instance. He even wants to move back to Chicago and the wife put in a court order.

  • @dangshebad12
    @dangshebad12 Před rokem +29

    Funky…. Is so wrong ….STILL A CHILD

  • @beverlywilkinson8173
    @beverlywilkinson8173 Před rokem +345

    Dwayne and Gabrille apart from money have the platform to control the narrative. As the mother she does have a say in her childs life and decision as a minor regardless of weather its what popular or not. Dwayne and Gabrille made the child callateral damage by making it a public show.

    • @mimiad397
      @mimiad397 Před rokem

      There are many celebrities with kids who are part of the lgbtq community who waited, until their kid was of legal age and kept all this private until their kid was ready to make it public. Parents like them use their kids and exploit them but disguise it as "caring" when it's all about money and image for them

    • @mariaayoodusanya3169
      @mariaayoodusanya3169 Před rokem +10

      Exactly!
      You can’t say “they shouldn’t care what the public thinks” and at the same time say - “the public recognizes the child as a female so what’s the big fuss…if you’re in support”
      She needs to be involved in the process no matter how small it is because it’s not a transition for only the kid but the parents aswell.

    • @Kimberlyn1323
      @Kimberlyn1323 Před rokem +8

      @@mariaayoodusanya3169 Yes that was very contradictory in my opinion. Gabrielle union is a mean girl and wade is taking her lead. They have made that child a spectacle and I think it is unfair to the child. My opinion is that there should be law that prevents a child from being able to change gender until they are of legal age so that it is solely their decision. The only exception would be in the rarity that the child was born hermaphrodite. Long story short in my opinion DW & Gabby are exploiting that child.

    • @SLees-tv7gh
      @SLees-tv7gh Před rokem +2

      @@Kimberlyn1323 I agree!

  • @customerservice2555
    @customerservice2555 Před rokem +33

    Shoutout to Siohvaughn for being the true protector of this child.

    • @donnawilliams3872
      @donnawilliams3872 Před rokem

      Life is a boomerang Gabriel. Daddy might want something for ur daughter and u dont agree. Food for thought

    • @erikavirgo9417
      @erikavirgo9417 Před rokem

      I’m so glad y’all care about the protection of trans teens. Maybe if we all start a suicide hotline we can protect them all 😒

    • @customerservice2555
      @customerservice2555 Před rokem

      @@erikavirgo9417 Don’t deflect, because if YOU truly cared you would know and post the link to existing non profits servicing the needs of the trans community. They already exist, sis.

    • @erikavirgo9417
      @erikavirgo9417 Před rokem

      @@customerservice2555 baby you chose the wrong one. I work in mental healthcare and I’ve personally funded care for many trans and gay teens… including ones who’s parents have rejected them leading them to attempt suicide. But go ahead and tell me all about the poor mother who’s ‘protecting’ the child.

    • @customerservice2555
      @customerservice2555 Před rokem

      @@erikavirgo9417 Girl bye, this is the internet. On here, you can be anything you want to be. As far as I know, you are the 2nd shift manager at Burger King cosplaying as a mental health professional 🙄. So, yes, Siohvaughn…who stands nothing to gain except ridicule from want to be “trans activists”…is protecting HER child.

  • @angelabyers7179
    @angelabyers7179 Před rokem +5

    As a parent of four children… I wholeheartedly agree with Claudia and Al!! Funky seems to have some personal issues that he’s incorporating into this situation🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @adriane1031
    @adriane1031 Před rokem +96

    She can't bye LIQUOR, NO DRIVERS LICENSE, CAN'T VOTE, CAN'T BUY HEALTH INSURANCE, ETC. WAIT UNTIL 21 YEARS OLD.

  • @edithchase3084
    @edithchase3084 Před rokem +53

    Team Siovaughn. She should never fold. Gabrielle and Dwayne made Zaya collateral damage. I agree with Claudia and Al. The only reason Dwyane has full custody is because he has the money and power. Stand strong Siovaughn. God will intervene on your behalf.

  • @ym-vl5ck
    @ym-vl5ck Před rokem +5

    This is going over Q's head... he's just not getting it, missing the point. Thank you Claudia and Al

  • @cosmicssuperniova7550
    @cosmicssuperniova7550 Před rokem +8

    Claudia you nailed it baby girl!!!!!!

  • @CJTurner512
    @CJTurner512 Před rokem +105

    I’m with Al and Claudia

  • @mdotkelley6789
    @mdotkelley6789 Před rokem +147

    It's a son, not Daugher no matter how mad anyone gets. His son will always be his son,their son. Either way,son. I refer to him as he.

  • @teeshante
    @teeshante Před rokem +17

    I wish ppl knew the real story of Siohvaughn and Dwayne. I used to work at a popular restaurant bar where athletes would be in Chicago and often we’d get invites/ access to exclusive parties…when I tell you he cheated on her left, right, and center. As a youth her mother took him in and took care of him. We wouldn’t know who D.Wade is without his ex wife’s mother going the extra mile.

    • @rashidalivingston9721
      @rashidalivingston9721 Před rokem +6

      I remember that seeing that history of him & his ex. Her mother took him in because of the domestic violence at his house. The exes mom treated D like that was her son. If the ex wife's mom didn't go ABOVE & BEYOND for his career, he wouldn't have his success that he did today, so for him to carry on & COMPLETELY shut the mom out for over 10yrs is BEYOND CRUEL!!!

  • @chelseababe
    @chelseababe Před rokem +9

    Dwayne Wade is living vicariously through his “daughter” Zaya at this point. We see how he really is 🧐🧐 because some of us can see right through the BS! He only wishes he can come out and live in his truth. This is soooo wrong in so many levels. Shame on him and Gabrielle. To be honest I believe that Gabby is the problem. That family is twisted, sorry not sorry. His ex wife deserves better treatment

    • @ebhill8577
      @ebhill8577 Před rokem

      Gabby is part of the problem ...she knows how beneficial this can be and pushed this out to the media ...taking him when he was younger to pride parades to sit on floats with men's asses out / jock straps...etc ...

    • @chelseababe
      @chelseababe Před rokem +3

      @@ebhill8577 yep and I’ve been saying this for years now, she the common denominator in all of their parenting issues. She loves the attention and she’s always given me mean spirited vibes. Kinda like her character on „“Bring It On“ and especially on „“Deliver Us From Eva“. For real, for real I do believe that her character on „“Deliver Us From Eva“ is who she really is. Like how she stopped all communication between Dwayne and his other kid from his sidekick while they were on break. She’s really evil, sorry not sorry. She also gives me Jada Pinkett vibes, u know the type that runs the house and their men and just overall unlikable.

  • @lisaosbourne-eden4576
    @lisaosbourne-eden4576 Před rokem +139

    Gabrielle is not the mother is should be excluded from the conversation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dwayne is getting some incentives such as money, lucrative contracts etc for promoting his son in this way.

    • @prhphone3259
      @prhphone3259 Před rokem +20

      That’s what the ex-wife is claiming. She said Dwayne told her how many offers his son/daughter is receiving and a lot of money is on the table.

    • @patriciaowens5731
      @patriciaowens5731 Před rokem +7

      @@prhphone3259 Absolutely,they have already got contracts with Disney.Dwayne is making money on that too.

    • @prtdiva
      @prtdiva Před rokem +5

      I don’t know why they keep bringing up Gabrielle. This is Dwayne’s child. He wrote the messages so this is his problem to fix with Zaya’s mom.

    • @garvin6142
      @garvin6142 Před rokem +18

      @@prtdiva Because Gabby said she took a role in her new movie to prove a point to Zayas mom about being open and accepting of trans kids in an interview. Gabby is a arrogant self righteous mess

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem +2

      @garvin6142 at the end of the day. If Zayas real mother doesn't accept her . Gabriel is going too. Bc she's not judgemental. That's not arrogant . If she as a step mom can accept her , why can her own mom. Don't blame that on Gabby

  • @aliciam7677
    @aliciam7677 Před rokem +136

    Funky Dineva is wrong in this one. I agree on Claudia and Al. The way Dwade is handling this is sad.

    • @peachorchard
      @peachorchard Před rokem +15

      He’s a flip flopper. See his last response…

    • @10meme11
      @10meme11 Před rokem +13

      Agreed. And I can only assume as of why Funky feels this way🤷🏾‍♀️...

    • @glookny6676
      @glookny6676 Před rokem +13

      Why is he changing his tone? He is sprouting nonsense in my opinion. I am with Claudia 100%

    • @lisawatson-bell1014
      @lisawatson-bell1014 Před rokem +12

      I disagree with Funky on this one. It seems like this topic brings out a side of him that I don’t like.

    • @keshiadawn
      @keshiadawn Před rokem +3

      Right. The world may be calling the child that, but she may not. The world call Zion/Zaya daughter, but the mother is still fighting for her son. Her son being gay is one thing however, identity crisis is another thing

  • @mechellebolden1088
    @mechellebolden1088 Před rokem +7

    When DeWayne said the mother have a chance to come around to see her kid. So is he saying the only way to see Zion is to come over to his house. When the biological mother and Gabrielle don't like each other. Who would go over there house rubbing there life in the biological mother face. That is wrong.

    • @65redd
      @65redd Před rokem +1

      He don't even let the outside child vist😉

  • @caramelcosmo7118
    @caramelcosmo7118 Před rokem +11

    I hear there are Disney and other product deals on the table based on the legal gender change of Zaya and THATS why they’re so anxious to do this and if that’s true Duane and Gabrielle are disgusting! N for him to say she has had a chance to be involved is code for she has had a chance to get on board with what THEY want and has refused! They see their Mother all the time! Matter of fact the oldest boy is ALWAYS singing the praises of Siovaughn 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @vickysmith3179
    @vickysmith3179 Před rokem +41

    What difference does it make if the child waits till 18. Funky you really missed the mark this time.

    • @ninasi1382
      @ninasi1382 Před rokem

      please tell us what’s the difference? besides time?

    • @that__girl_from
      @that__girl_from Před rokem +2

      Well make every kid wait till there 18 we shouldn't only be picking on the trans kids

    • @izoedyourbabydaddy7628
      @izoedyourbabydaddy7628 Před rokem +1

      @@that__girl_from thank you 💯💯💯

  • @dharr3447
    @dharr3447 Před rokem +81

    This mother has been holding in the fold for a long time, I often wondered where was she in the decision making process for this child - Glad she is speaking out, overdue!

    • @nookiebee504
      @nookiebee504 Před rokem +1

      Under a gag order. She is still not speaking publicly. This was brought out via court and the Wades.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem

      She was actually under a legal gag order when she could not speak and she could say nothing about what was going on with her son that she birth. Not Gabrielle Union nor the rest of the public pushing this agenda but her child. Her son!

    • @pamliamouzon7221
      @pamliamouzon7221 Před rokem +1

      No, she tried for years to get her kids from D Wade (do a google search on it). He made her out to be some looney toon.

  • @kyla6452
    @kyla6452 Před rokem +5

    I used to love Gabrielle Union but after what she did to that mother with regards to her Stepchildren,I can’t respect her as a woman. If Dwayne should leave her today or tomorrow and try and take her little girl and do the same thing to her how would she feel, smh

  • @thembelandesi4741
    @thembelandesi4741 Před rokem +9

    They need to support that kid 100% but gently explain to the kid that they need to wait till she is 18 for her to make the decision herself.

  • @brahmabkitty03
    @brahmabkitty03 Před rokem +166

    All Siohvaughn has asked is for Zaya to make this decision at 18. That way it’s without influence and she won’t need permission from anyone but herself. I wouldn’t be surprised if Zaya came out and said they were forced to do this.

    • @brahmabkitty03
      @brahmabkitty03 Před rokem +24

      @AB where were the kids before Gaby? With Siohvaughn while Dwayne was playing ball and cheating. Let’s not act like Dwayne and Gaby are the best people in the world! Gaby took Siohvaughn’s kids but not the break baby?

    • @TaurusHere
      @TaurusHere Před rokem +1

      I agree with others who said this should have REMAINED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. They posted Their SON kissing another Confused Child. There is NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDER. U CANNOT CHANGE GENDER. If U were BORN A BOY, U WILL DIE A BOY & IF BORN A GIRL U WILL DIE AS ONE. Even Claudia say "As a Male Daughter" 😆You CAN'T be Male and a daughter 😆 GOD MADE MALE & FEMALE bcuz God said Be Fruitful & Multiply. U CAN'T do that with the Same Sex. I will NOT refer to HIM as a HER.. HIS Real Mom SHOULD have say so regarding her daughter.

    • @TaurusHere
      @TaurusHere Před rokem

      @@user-ns4sz8pn4e I agree with others who said this should have REMAINED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. They posted Their SON kissing another Confused Child. There is NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDER. U CANNOT CHANGE GENDER. If U were BORN A BOY, U WILL DIE A BOY & IF BORN A GIRL U WILL DIE AS ONE. Even Claudia say "As a Male Daughter" 😆You CAN'T be Male and a daughter 😆 GOD MADE MALE & FEMALE bcuz God said Be Fruitful & Multiply. U CAN'T do that with the Same Sex. I will NOT refer to HIM as a HER.. HIS Real Mom SHOULD have say so regarding her daughter.

    • @TaurusHere
      @TaurusHere Před rokem

      @@user-ns4sz8pn4e I agree with others who said this should have REMAINED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. They posted Their SON kissing another Confused Child. There is NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDER. U CANNOT CHANGE GENDER. If U were BORN A BOY, U WILL DIE A BOY & IF BORN A GIRL U WILL DIE AS ONE. Even Claudia say "As a Male Daughter" 😆You CAN'T be Male and a daughter 😆 GOD MADE MALE & FEMALE bcuz God said Be Fruitful & Multiply. U CAN'T do that with the Same Sex. I will NOT refer to HIM as a HER.. HIS Real Mom SHOULD have say so regarding her daughter.

    • @rachelm.3173
      @rachelm.3173 Před rokem +2

      @Day Amen to that 💯

  • @TheJourneyofAll
    @TheJourneyofAll Před rokem +190

    The key word here is child. Since when do we let children do what they want. Dwayne is all the way gone. Terrible

    • @d.spigner3077
      @d.spigner3077 Před rokem +3

      When it's in the best interest of the child.

    • @TheJourneyofAll
      @TheJourneyofAll Před rokem +18

      @@d.spigner3077 you think children know what's in they're best interest?

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +1

      Thaaaaaaaaaaank you

    • @CashCollecta
      @CashCollecta Před rokem

      The best interest in the child is to have that boy walking around in makeup and fake hair and skirts 😂 u Americans and ur weird logic

    • @growithme
      @growithme Před rokem

      @@d.spigner3077 but the child can’t say what the best interest is.

  • @djackson4462
    @djackson4462 Před rokem +5

    I am so happy Claudia and Al are on the same page and not backing down from their stance. The are absolutely correct. Money let’s you control the narrative and Dwayne Wade has did that from day 1.

  • @MsClassyDiva
    @MsClassyDiva Před rokem +8

    I agree with Claudia and Al. Yes,the question should be is the child happy and healthy but damn.. who needs to be asking that; NOT US! We shouldn’t know about ANY OF THIS. As for Funky asking what would her answer be?… Well hell, they need to sit down and have the conversation so everybody can know what her answer would be. I will be glad when the baby get 18 so we the people can have something new to talk about.. LAWD🙄

  • @ichoosetoloveagainandagain8760

    Something is wrong with Dwayne and Gabriel . This is a child . Give her some more time to mature and evolve. I think in the long run there will be regrets...

    • @brahmabkitty03
      @brahmabkitty03 Před rokem +5

      That’s exactly what Siohvaughn requested then Dwayne tried to drag her for not agreeing with him

    • @jamaldee2355
      @jamaldee2355 Před rokem

      Their delusional just like the community that supports this nonsense

    • @tlove3840
      @tlove3840 Před rokem +1

      Why do you call the little boy the young man her I don't care what you do she's a she was born a boy

    • @garvin6142
      @garvin6142 Před rokem +3

      Clout chasing to stay in the spotlight trans is trendy right now

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem

      @tlove3840 it's called respect. If that's how she wants to identity then 🤷 it's she.

  • @daniellecook556
    @daniellecook556 Před rokem +73

    As a stepmom i know my place. I always felt like Gabrielle has always overstepped and Dwayne allow her to do so because of the negative relationship with the child's mother. He has painted the mom out to be crazy but it looks like dwade and GU are suspect to me.

    • @tonimalveaux67
      @tonimalveaux67 Před rokem +1

      Yea but the child doesn't live with the biological mom so there's a difference

    • @daniellecook556
      @daniellecook556 Před rokem +14

      @Toni Malveaux she still have rights over decisions that affects the child. So just because most fathers dont stay with the child does that mean they have no say over the child's welfare?!

  • @teamwin942
    @teamwin942 Před rokem +3

    Claudia and Al, you both are on the 💯 on this..That Mama should be number one in that decision.

  • @kpre9874
    @kpre9874 Před rokem +5

    Claudia and Al are Dead on...we should've never known about this child. Additionally, to exclude the mother is sickening...it gives me more money, more power. 🤔🧐😕

  • @lovelivelife3092
    @lovelivelife3092 Před rokem +29

    How is it ok to let a teen make a permanent decision..not cool...

    • @mykoniichistorychannel
      @mykoniichistorychannel Před rokem +5

      It’s not a permanent decision, if the child feels so inclined to change their name back legally, the child can. Nothing physically or biologically is being altered.

    • @10meme11
      @10meme11 Před rokem +4

      The decision of name/gender changing isn't necessarily "permanent". However, I still don't believe one of a "non-legal" age of

    • @nik-at-nite
      @nik-at-nite Před rokem +2

      I think y’all are confusing altering paperwork/documents with an actual, physical sex change….

    • @paulinebaylock5668
      @paulinebaylock5668 Před rokem

      it’s not…

  • @michelebrooks7690
    @michelebrooks7690 Před rokem +50

    Claudia you nailed it!

  • @SB-io7le
    @SB-io7le Před rokem +4

    The way Angelina and Brad raised Shiloh is the Blueprint....let them be children!!

  • @1nkatha
    @1nkatha Před rokem +4

    You are not wrong Claudia, Dwayne Wade is talked about more now than he was in his whole basketball career. He and Gabrille are definately doing it for the public

  • @budlight6665
    @budlight6665 Před rokem +27

    Your name will be the name I gave you until you turn 18 then you can do whatever you want,point blank

  • @gisselle560
    @gisselle560 Před rokem +20

    He’s exploiting that child

  • @bfs1209
    @bfs1209 Před rokem +2

    But wait...didn't Q rant against Gabrielle recently about how the ex-wife was being treated?!? He changed his tune quick! What's up Q ?

  • @a_70s_Baby
    @a_70s_Baby Před rokem +5

    Stop monetizing off of children. They did the same with their daughter, “Shady baby”, monetizing with the “shady baby” brand. I’d never create a social media page for my young child (you know that, younger child of the both of them). All things aren’t for SM. Al, you know I’m agreeing with you. 😊

  • @tlove3840
    @tlove3840 Před rokem +41

    Let's see the mother make decisions on Gabrielle's child how would that work out

    • @ebhill8577
      @ebhill8577 Před rokem +1

      Gabby couldn't even push a human outta that rotten ass .....but wants jurisdiction over someone else's.....she has scraped and flushed all her rights like she did her babies

    • @teresaevans4840
      @teresaevans4840 Před rokem +2

      Fantastic point 👉

    • @houseofallena5953
      @houseofallena5953 Před rokem +1

      Excellent point

  • @trenettamclemore3030
    @trenettamclemore3030 Před rokem +31

    Speak Claudia!!!!!

  • @stlluvsme
    @stlluvsme Před rokem +5

    If the bio mother is not making an effort to get to know her daughter instead of only seeing her son, then she should not have a say. Just because Zaya is young does not mean she does not know how she feels when Zaya is the only one who knows how's Zaya feels

  • @Kevo_W
    @Kevo_W Před rokem +6

    I feel like the people need to ask Zaya what she feels about all of this. Maybe Zaya is the one wanted this public? Maybe Zaya doesn’t have a relationship with her birth mother? Maybe Zaya doesn’t like her birth mother? Maybe Zaya doesn’t connect with her mother on the basis of her identity? Who knows? Also, at some point, both Dwayne and Gabrielle were gonna have to address the fact that they have a transgender child so obviously the media was gonna be interested so how were they not supposed to address that.

  • @wontikasmith8161
    @wontikasmith8161 Před rokem +14

    Claudia your point is spot on

  • @IHYC678
    @IHYC678 Před rokem +147

    Thing is it is definitely a thing a child can change their mind about. It happens multiple times. She can change her gender legally when she is an adult.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +23

      I was the tomboy and now I dress like a girly girl. In this day and age they would have labeled me a lesbian or trans man.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +2

      And I personally the point is you can never change your gender you can just change the wording.

    • @snsn7251
      @snsn7251 Před rokem +1

      Exactly

    • @tobeme1987
      @tobeme1987 Před rokem +1

      There is new science showing trans people's "choice" isn't a choice. They are born different. It is going to be interesting to see how all of these opinions will have to change.

    • @erikavirgo9417
      @erikavirgo9417 Před rokem

      It’s a legal name change. You can literally do one every month if you wanted 🙄

  • @ladaytrablount7096
    @ladaytrablount7096 Před rokem +3

    Hope this dont confuss other kids. God protect the kids. This world is evil

  • @sunrae7680
    @sunrae7680 Před rokem +3

    I wish Q could get pregnant and let someone else tell him how to handle his child. Empathy, goes a long way.

  • @Musicalfem_instagram
    @Musicalfem_instagram Před rokem +78

    I literally tend to forget that Gabrielle is not her mom due to how it’s been presented in the media 😮 and I definitely think his ex wife deserves to be more in the loop.

    • @allintime49
      @allintime49 Před rokem +1

      Why is the biological mom not the full guardian? How did that happen. Was she “unfit”? How did Dwayne become the primary guardian of all those kids? I ask this not to say she does not have the right to be in the loop ; just querulous….

    • @prhphone3259
      @prhphone3259 Před rokem +8

      @allintime Because who has the money dictates court outcomes. We see this all the time. Who’s likely to walk in a criminal case? People who can afford a top attorney. It’s the same with child custody cases. Dwayne had the ability to pay for the best legal team in the country while his ex-wife was trying to represent herself in court. Why is anyone surprised he won custody? This was not about the mother’s fitness as a parent.

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem

      @prhphone3259 even if u have the money you would need Proof of being unfit. Sooo who knows

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +5

      She had a gag order to where she could not speak nor did she have the legal representation that will fight against Dwyane Wade and Gabrielle Union and the rest of the alphabet kids community

    • @Musicalfem_instagram
      @Musicalfem_instagram Před rokem

      @@allintime49 yeah I definitely was wondering the same like it’s truly wild.

  • @frichardson3212
    @frichardson3212 Před rokem +46

    I still think this child should be allowed to make those decisions when of age. I feel like Duane should keep his comments about the mother out of the public eye. A 12 year old has to be under pressure and that's another reason time should be allowed to pass before making life changing decisions.
    The mother wants her child to sit with it and get through these turbulent teenage years. I couldn't imagine another couple boxing me out as a mother.
    Duane Wade and Gabrielle made this public when they should've kept this private.
    What if this 12 yr old changes her mind?

    • @justdatguy29
      @justdatguy29 Před rokem +2

      That child is most definitely not changing her mind and what was she suppose to do not post on social media and not go out the house. Only feel and look like a girl at home that whole not making it public thing is dumb it would’ve came out anyway ppl forget these kids are smart if she knows what she wants then why not

  • @mechellebolden1088
    @mechellebolden1088 Před rokem +4

    I wonder what the biological mother thought about the kid kissing in public.

  • @niamarie12
    @niamarie12 Před rokem +4

    There’s more to the story..in the mothers petition with the courts she states “that Dwyane Wade wants to benefit from the underage child’s name and gender transition with many firms through relationships and marketing chances, not restricted to partnerships with Disney.” She said concerned that her ex-husband is forcing their child to the name and gender change to capitalize on the cash offers he has gotten from corporations. She alleges that in April when she met Wade in Atlanta, he told her he had earned a lot of money in connection with Zaya’s “name and gender issue.”
    She is trying to protect “her” child. And as a mother myself she should be able to. Gabrielle has been parading this child around all over social media, like a circus act. And we know, if the shoe was on the other foot she wouldn’t want anyone to do that to her daughter. This a a private matter between Wade and his ex.
    I do agree with Al & Claudia, this should never be addressed in public.

  • @antoinettebarber3380
    @antoinettebarber3380 Před rokem +49

    The court’s care about who got the most money and because Dwayne got money,the mothers opinion doesn’t matter smh!!! That’s not right

    • @mielissa100ify
      @mielissa100ify Před rokem

      Not true because it’s plenty of mothers who were married to rich men that got kids and money.

  • @debrasloan5541
    @debrasloan5541 Před rokem +132

    You can NEVER and I mean NEVER change your gender

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem +6

      And? If he feels comfortable living as a girl. Who is society to say she can't? She can live as she wants as long as she's happy. Period.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +10

      Exaaaaaaaaaaactly.

    • @sayvay1933
      @sayvay1933 Před rokem +17

      @@adoreme4245 how do you know he is comfortable? Since he is not an actual girl is anyone checking his mentality?

    • @hisqueen8751
      @hisqueen8751 Před rokem +10

      Why not they go ask God to change them if they want to change ..This world is out of hand

    • @BuckleBunny
      @BuckleBunny Před rokem +2

      @@sayvay1933 is someone was forcing a boy to be a girl you wouldn’t notice that unhappiness on that child’s face just as you notice them happen is when they’re being abused. She is comfortable and happy being she here now she could also change her mind later if she can keep the same. That should not even be the focus of the conversation because it sounds like many of you are not comfortable with she being she. I’ve seen too many boys that wanted to become girls not being allowed to be comfortable in their skin until the 20 and 30. Those children had a very sad life and even sadder young adulthood in their 20s. It is not gonna kill us to let that person live how they wanna live as a teenager and let them decide if they wanna change your mind or not. No one‘s talking about actual gender reassignment. I even would stop there because that’s permanent. Deciding to identify as something else does not harm the child and least one bit. Child could be email for all I care if they I would go buy all black. The issue here is not fully including the other parent and one way or another whether is public perception or in real life.

  • @theintuitiveempath
    @theintuitiveempath Před rokem +4

    I'm with the birth mom. I feel Dwayne and Gabriel are using the child as a marketing tool to increase or sustain their revelency. Something is off with this situation

  • @Classy_K86_Gaming
    @Classy_K86_Gaming Před rokem +5

    Now it’s not our business, but when people were questioning why the child was wearing a purse it was our business. I feel like Dwayne has always responded to criticism online not just sharing to share. It’s already been out, they’re celebrities so there would be no way for us to not know about this.

  • @trollinfojustice
    @trollinfojustice Před rokem +48

    Claudia is on point with this show!!!

  • @Gods1andonly
    @Gods1andonly Před rokem +77

    There are just no words. The mother should have more say than Gabrielle..
    If you change the name of a "child" to a girl's name who was born a boy without surgery - isn't that fraudulent intent? Allow the child to make this decision at the age of 18. She's 15 now - wait three years.

    • @wyldcardsam
      @wyldcardsam Před rokem +1

      No not at all

    • @ameliabedelia7018
      @ameliabedelia7018 Před rokem +2

      None of your business. Stay out of it.

    • @adoreme4245
      @adoreme4245 Před rokem +3

      But she's so intelligent she going to graduate from high school early. Soo if she wants to apply to college she needs those documents already changed

    • @Earthomo
      @Earthomo Před rokem

      @@adoreme4245 HE needs those documents because he's not a girl. Girls don't have penises, they have wombs (unless there's a medical dysfunction). FACTS.

    • @Gods1andonly
      @Gods1andonly Před rokem +2

      @@adoreme4245
      A very complicated decision which should have never enter into the public rim. Never should have been on the internet/social media.

  • @ArmandyLaPearl
    @ArmandyLaPearl Před rokem +2

    The mom doesn’t want anything to happened until the child is an adult and I agree 100 percent

  • @mari_j_mc
    @mari_j_mc Před rokem +5

    I’ve been a step mother and I respected the decision of the biological mother even when we disagreed. It’s a tough position to be a step parent bcuz ur expected to love the child as if they r ur own but u really have very little say so on how they r raised.