Maxed Out 6000 XP (HUGE Pump Test)
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2024
- I'm putting the EG4 6000 XP to the test. We're challenging this inverter with our massive 5-horsepower well pump to see if it can handle the heavy inductive load and inrush current.
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We start with a breakdown of different types of power loads - resistive and inductive - and why they matter for off-grid systems. Then, we dive into our experiment, testing the inverter with just a single unit running. Will it keep the water flowing? Watch to find out!
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00:00 Introduction and Test Overview
00:32 Resistive vs Inductive Loads
01:21 The Challenge of Powering a Well Pump with Solar
01:52 The Importance of Reliable Power for Homesteading
02:28 Support the Channel
02:51 Setting Up the Test
04:04 Running the Inductive Test
07:19 Test Results and Conclusion
08:22 Why Choose the EG4 6000 XP Inverter
09:29 Final Thoughts and Recommendations
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hells no you are a shill for a horrible company
@@scubasteve2132 Oh, good. You're back :) Hi Steve.
Excellent job on describing the 6000 XP I've had three inverters installed for 2 months and I've had no problems running my 3 ton air conditioning unit and my two pumps supplying water . I run with a battery backup of 70 kilowatts. This is easy anybody can do it.
70 KWH battery bank! I’d love to expand to that some day. Thanks for sharing your experience.
David - we were able to come across a 96kw Absolyte GX 48v/2,000Ah (VLRA) battery bank. How many kw of panels are you operating your system on? I am trying to reconfigure our system to be fully off grid and supply the power necessary to keep the battery bank up with minimal use of the generator. Would love to see your set up as well.
@@EastTexasHomestead I need to get our system set up in the sea container as soon as is possible. Sunbscribed. Thank you for the videos.
That's a beast of a bank there, too, Ron! The first step is to figure out how much you use each day. Do you know your average kWh usage? @@rongray4118
@@rongray4118 my little home only uses between 50 and 85 kwh a day depends on season. Right now in the winter here in florida my house only uses around 50 kwh in a 24 hr day and my system pulls in around 60 to 70 kwh a day . I got like 52 panels mounted on the barn and back yard. But none are faceing the right way. 6 strings different sizes and panels
I agree with your assessment on the 6000xp. I’ve only had mine running for two weeks and it’s been flawless. Runs Mini Splits, well pump, no light flicker, TV and switches seamlessly from grid to battery without power interruption. Pretty damn amazing for the price. Super easy to wire up also.
I couldn’t have said it better myself 👍🏼
excellent video was actually searching for this information. Thanks!!!!
No way! that's great :)
This was exactly the video I needed ! I've been impressed with the 6000xp on all I've seen....now I'm convinced.
Great to hear! Do you have large inductive loads you want to run, or were you just curious if it could run them? @matthewborne7659
@@EastTexasHomestead I am primarily concerned with the well pump and hot water. Everything else is easy. This is not my field and I'm trying to get up to speed and make wise choices!
@@matthewborne7659 Gotcha. We are able to run hot water, the well, AC, cook, all the lights, several freezers, and more going without any issues. You won't be able to do all of that at the same time on one unit but you can do any of it. :) Let me know if there's anything specific you would like to know.
You've had the wool pulled over your eyes by the Chinese.
@@quickquote1568 please elaborate
Sir, can you continue adding load to each 110v line? Let's say I connect a split to 220v, then I could continue adding load to each line, can the equipment withstand a current imbalance of say 3:1, consider a small house, after the split Could I connect the lights to one 110v line and the fans to the other, for example, without exceeding the delivery power of the inverter on each line?
I have a question that I can’t find the answer on the internet. When people say off grid and they don’t sell it back the the grid. However, they still wire the grid AC to the inverter. Do we need permit in this case?
I don't need a permit where I am but it all depends on your local laws. The way these systems (that don't sell back) operate, is no different than a UPS you keep under your desk to keep your computer running when the grid goes down. It's just on a much larger scale.
While running the test, how much solar was coming in and what size battery was connected?.
No solar (PV) during the test. You can see it at 7:29. I had 30kWh of battery connected.
Man that’s awesome. You gotta love these inverters.
Heck yeah, Gavin! A few bugs in the app but they’re rock solid with performance.
Great video. I am impressed. Signature solar has a video showing it can surge at 90 amps and keeps working! I have one with one power pro and it works flawlessly. What batteries are you using?
90 amps is nuts! I'll need to redo the test with other loads going. I just wanted to know personally if I could run that pump which I can't run with my larges gas generator. I have 6 LifePower4 batteries.
Hey i am considering one of these 6000xp. We don't have any 240v requirements but i do hope to run a line to my shop and have the capability of running two 15 amp tools simultaneously. Is a single 6000xp capable of this? I have a hard time understanding how split phase equates to overall limits with a single 120v outlet.
Great question. I think I understand so correct me if not.
Your shop will have two tools that are each 120v and draw 15 amps a piece. Right?
I like to work in watts if possible. 120v x 15a = 1800w
The 6000 XP takes a single phase at 240v and splits it into two equal 120v legs.
Each leg is 120v and has a maximum continuous output of 3000 watts (25 amps).
The two together give you a maximum of 6000 watts continuous. This, however, depends on you using both legs (L1 & L2) equally.
So you can have a max of 3000w on L1 and 3000w on L2. (= 6000w total)
But you CAN'T have 4000w on L1 and 2000w on L2. Which also equals 6000w because each leg can only output 3000w continuously.
So, for your shop, you could absolutely run two 1800w tools at the same time.
BUT, since 1800 x 2 = 3600, you will need one tool on L1 and the other on L2.
So, when you run your power to the shop, you will need to bring in 240v, and then in your sub panel (breaker box), the breaker for one tool is on L1 and the other is on L2.
Does this help, @alaskahomesteadadventures7579 ?
Yes that helps a bunch. I've been reading about 120/240 wiring and what you said tracks with what I've learned. We currently have and use a magnasine ms4024pae which is split phase, give us a max of 27 amps 120v, or 3240 watts. So the 6000xp is a little less per one side but almost twice overall w/120v. Still lots to learn. Thanks for responding!
Glad to help!
No, a single unit is only capable of 25 amps max.
Squirt - "I'll be right back!"...LOL! Thanks for posting. I have been desiring to set up a system somewhat like your system for my wife and I. We want to be up on our property in our 50amp (service) RV so we can begin building out off grid small home. We purchased a prewired Conext SW4048 Inverter with Classic 150 Charge Controller. We (after the fact) found an Absolyte GX 48v/2,000 amp hour battery bank (massive unit). I was thinking to just hold of installing the unit and purchasing these EG4 6,000 watt units due to the ability to wire up the entire system and have a parallel and "growable" system. I am on the fence about it and your videos are helping to relieve some of the anxiety of it all. What manufacturer and wattage of panels are you operating your system on (solar panel KW?)? Thank you for posting your videos!!
LOL :)
That battery sounds great! I don't know much, if anything, about the SW 4048. As for panels, I purchased some used a few years ago and still have 80% of them stacked up on pallets. You can see some of the details in this video: czcams.com/video/V2QnUfM1Y48/video.htmlsi=I3Jc6lSTZKAoK8eq. Even though we aren't using but a dozen or so old panels, we're running our home with virtually no electric bill. We charge from the grid at night for free (30 kWh) and use that plus about 10 kWh of solar. I'll be doing a video about it soon.
Inrush should only be for a second until pump gets up to speed. Still, thanks for doing this, i want to know if my pump will work with one too
That's a good point I should have mentioned. Your well pump or another?
@@EastTexasHomesteadmy well pump and booster tank pumps
Gotcha. Hopefully this gives you a starting reference point.
Just remember that an inductive load like a pump will draw 3 times to 8 times its continuous amp draw just to get started. 1 horse power is approximately 745 Watts.
@@solarcharging9743 if that's the case? why does the amp probe which measured inrush current read 2 times the running amperage or 50 amps Not 3 times to 8 times ?
I have 2 of these wired up with the main reason being able to charge my Tesla. No problems at all, and charge 100% off solar.
Win-Win...
When I retire, I will have no gas bill !
That’s awesome! I pug my F-250 Super duty in but that just heats up the block 😜
Well, also being a Texas "boy" (well not for many, many years) I know you don't have to do that very much !
That’s for sure. Although anything lower than 40 and my truck has a tough time getting going without it.
Signature certainly did right by me on the controllers and panels I recently bought from them. They've got some great deals going on right now like free shipping and they were doing a buy back deal just a few days ago that was off the chain. Think it's going to be going on a bit longer?
Love it!!
The buy back deal is still going. Not sure how long though.
Thats pretty stout to keep up with a 5hp motor! Im not sure most people who are not around electric motors oftem truly realize what a 5hp motor is capable of and how large it truly is
So true. And on top of that, when you consider the amount of pressure that the pump is working against with having to pump water up 500 feet to the surface and then 1000 feet to the house along the surface, there’s a ton of resistance here, and this thing is working like a champ.
@@EastTexasHomestead im around industrial equipment every day and rarely see much over 4hp unless its a huge jump up to 100 or 150 hp motors. Im quite impressed! I would love to see some a video explaining how you came up with the specs for your house. Such as why you have 3 inverters, size of battery bank, etc. Im only doing a small scale setup right now so its easy to adjust as needed but the knowledge of how to size the system would be very useful moving forward!
Great idea. I'll start working on a video to explain that process. Thanks for your input, as always. :)
@@EastTexasHomestead thank YOU!! THAT was the information that I was looking for (depth of your well). We have access to a 220' well up on the mountain but we have to put in a new pump, pipe and electric AFTER blowing it clean of sediment. We were looking into RPS pump system (48v) but the equipment is in an exposed area and I don't want it tampered with. We will use a generator to power the pump and move water up to the top of the mountain with a tank. A pain in the butt - but - do-able.
Is the 220' the bottom of the well, the static water level, or where the pump sits between the two? Also, how far up the mountain do you plan to pump it? @@rongray4118
Are you doing the exchange program that signature solar has
I haven't looked into it yet. Is this for the 6000EX or something else?
Thanks for making this video - I have a one HP 300ft deep 240v Flint Walling well pump (50A inrush and 10A continuous) . I have been wanting to know if one 6000XP could handle it. Some tech support suggested it can not, some suggested I would need two. I am glad you did this experiment. I am wondering how much damage we are going to impose on this high frequency inverter by overloading like this. High frequency inverters do not last long even without abusing. I have been considering buying two Victron 5000VA 48v - much more expensive but it would handle the well pump without sweating and last very long time. The idle current of Victron is much lower than 6000XP. I would like to hear your take on this. Thank you. Nick
Good question, Nick. I agree that one 6000xp may not last as long as you would want. I don’t need all three of our inverters most of the time but I like keeping them all running so when the pump kicks on, it is distributed evenly.
The Victron 5000VA is pretty nice. I helped build a system with two of them recently. It was quite a bit more complicated but still doable. Being LF it should last longer. However, don’t buy into the hype that they don’t have problems as some like to insist.
Have you measured your inrush at 50amps or is that just the breaker size needed? It surprises me a bit that a 1hp pump would hit 50.
@@EastTexasHomestead Thanks again! The inrush current was specified by the manufacturer spec sheet. I don't have multimeter that can measure it. I wish I had it. I am sure if I measure the inrush current I think it may be different but probably close to 50A. I am considering replacing the water pump to Grundfos with no inrush spike if the current one fails. Yes Victron is not all-in-one and have to buy separate charge controller, etc. and setting up is not trivial like 6000xp and it would not communicate with my batteries (EG4). So I am waiting for new products that address all my hesitations. I think I may need two 6000xp so it can run other demands like septic pumps simultaneously. Investing large amount of $$$ on inverters may take forever to recover. Nick
We were able to get the Victron to talk to the EG4 batteries through the victron cerbo gx. I’m not sure if it works will all eg4 batteries or not though.
Why dont you show a detailed video of these 6000xp's running loads in your home like real world uses. Like we would do living off grid. . Ie> stove, fridge,ac,hot water tank,washing machine, hair dryer, etc i am looking to buy some but want to see real world testing. Thanks
I’ll have to put something together like that. Today we had the washer, dryer, water heater, all the lights on, the well kicked on and my wife was cooking in the oven. We also have a fridge and 3 deep freezers running.
Large motors, > 2hp should be 3 phase type. In combination with a variable frequency drive startup can be gradually and adjusted to real need of application. Converted my 1.5hp pool pump to 3 phase and VFD. Power from solar panels feeds directly into VFD at average 250V DC. Running pump at 50Hz instead of 60Hz reduced power need from 1.5kW to 0.6kW compared to single phase motor with capacitor. There is sufficient circulation to keep the pool clean and blue with this setup. You might be able to build a similar setup for your well pump that provides for your water needs. VFD takes AC or DC power in because internally power will be rectified before it is converted back to 3 phase AC.
That’s so cool and I’ll have to reread it a few times to fully digest it all. Thanks for the info and I’ll have to look into it.
What is the best inverter strictly for a well pump?
It depends. I think this 6000XP is doing a great job with ours. But, a low-frequency transformer-based inverter will probably last longer if that's all it is doing. How large is your pump?
@@EastTexasHomestead I don’t remember the specs, but it’s quite large as it’s about 500 feet deep. Thanks for the input. Hopefully getting my 6000XP delivered today! Starting off with my lights and plugs in my home.
I really love the 6000xp, and was going to go with 2 of them for my cabin...until i found out how loud they were. For my use, i would have to mount them in my living room, and i just dont think I'd want to listen to the fans running all day. It's forcing me to most likely go with the 18k, so i can mount it outside, which isnt ideal. 😞
Bummer. Ive found that they’re pretty quiet unless they’re taking in PV. I’ll need to test this to be sure though. At least there’s an outdoor option :)
still waiting for a video showing one of these inverters starting and running a 6kW motor load.
Did you not watch the video?
A 5 horse motor is not a 6kW motor load.@@EastTexasHomestead
A 5 horse well pump is only a 3,725 Watt motor load, not a 6 kW motor load.
I completely disagree with you about Sol-Ark being better than LuxPower. I have the LuxPower 12K (EG4 18KPV) and it is way better at single leg imbalance, up to 8,000 watts, something the sol-ark can not do. I can bring in up to 21 kilowatts of PV at 600 volts DC. Sol-Ark can not. I can spike PV input with my bi-facial panels and not worry about over voltage warning. Sol-Ark is $6,999 vs LuxPower $5,099 at Current Connected, that is a $1,900 savings
I think I said that Sol-Ark was "better quality," not a better value. I agree with your assessment. I'd purchase four 6000 XPs over one Sol-Ark any day for the same price. Thanks for letting us know your setup and how it's working 👍
Get a Grundfos SQE pump and even your old inverter could run it.
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I'm getting the same comments from the same people LOL they must just be spamming all the 6000XP channels to down talk this inverter!! lol
I've seen them on your channel, and I'm sure you're right. I found the video a few days ago that they're geting the info from. I wish I could find it again, but every reply and comment is a direct quote from the video. lol
Error code 28?
28 is "Inverter overload" the 50 amp inrush triggered the warning.
im starting watching ur video about solar
Welcome! Thanks for watching
The proof is in the pudding, I own one of these "currently testing it with 4 mini split heat pumps" as well as a Victron 5000va unit, "this runs my main home loads" these High Frequency inverters I fear will not last as long as a transformer based unit, but for the cost they are hard to beat, which is why I bought one, but we will see how long it lasts compared to the Victron, which I will be purchasing another 5000VA unit for my home in the next few months.
hello im from philippines solar installer
That’s so cool! I have good friends and members of my team (another business) there in the Philippines. Beautiful country and great people. :)
what is your bzness in phil.sir? qnd also name of your company?
@@NestorTech000 it is a web development agency, Definity Web
A 5HP pump is only a 3,700 Watt load. Hardly a huge pump test for a 6,000 Watt inverter. Please demonstrate this 6,000 Watt inverter starting a 6,000 Watt (8hp) pump.
Thanks, but I'm guessing you didn't watch the video to see the results. While our pump is rated at 5HP and on paper this should only be 3,700 Watts, our continuous 25 amp reading (on each leg) demonstrates that we're indeed pushing the 6,000 watt limit, highlighting the real-world discrepancies between theoretical power ratings and actual performance. The inrush was over 12 kW as well.
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Man for 1400 bucks that's a deal!
There are better inverters on the market but not at this price :)
Sorry, but I'm not impressed at all. The only thing that you've demonstrated is that this inverter can produce its 25 Amps (6,000) Watts of continuous power rating, and 50 Amps 2 X momentary peak power rating when this inverter is new. This is the very least that I would expect from this inverter when it's new. Add on a small portable heater or other small resistive load and then try to fire up your well pump, especially after a single year's worth of use and then I might be impressed.
I think will prouse showed it powering his car lift and only a few were capable of performing the task. Rodney he has 3 powering his house with charging his electric car.
@iowac I watched that same video by Will Prowse, it was titled "EG4 6000XP all-in-one solar system" and no, he was not able to start the car lift. The EG4 6000XP simply overloaded..
@iowac And in Rodney's video, titled "Overload and auto restart test" he too was successful at overloading his EG4 6000XP by simply turning on mostly resistive loads that exceeded the inverter's continuous run watt rating for only seconds.
@@solarcharging9743 yeah i couldnt quite remember if Will did it successful, just looked and yeah it failed and Will put a verbal challenge to eg4 he wants to see video with their claim it powered 91amp 5.5 hp air compressor. But overall i think its worthy.
@@iowac Yep, I wish they would post a video showing that this inverter can power a 91 Amp air compressor. That would surely settle the matter.