ATA Pro 12 - The REAL review
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- The ATA Pro 12, a review based on real shooting impressions. CORRECTION:
Fixed stock option is £999.99 Inc Vat & The adjustable stock is £1099.99 Inc Vat
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As the Sole UK importer for this popular brand in the UK, I can confirm the Fixed stock option is £999.99 Inc Vat & The adjustable stock is £1099.99 Inc Vat! The underside of the action has been designed specifically to have a textured finish in order to resist any marks from general wear and tear that a championship sporting gun may endure on the clay shooting circuit.
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Sorry James, I could swear the RRP was 1200, even better value.
what is the warranty on it?
Hi is it available in a left handed version?
Thanks for the review Lloyd. The way the trigger adjusts reminded me of the Marocchi Conquista from a long time ago.
Like everybody else I found that a fascinating review. I thought initially you were going to damn the gun with faint praise as they say but instead you gave us a very restrained, well thought out appraisal. Great review, particularly if you’re in the market for that sort of gun.
I suppose the detachable trigger group could be useful as a security measure..
If someone does get your gun safe open,( or steal your car with gun inside) a gun with no trigger present is no use to them.
I was shooting Ball-Trap here in France last weekend and was with a young French chap who had a new ATA SP Laminate in black. Afterwards we had a look at each other's gun. I was mighty impressed with his gun and he was shooting very well with it. He said it cost him about 1000 euros and to me the quality of fit and finish were very high.
Lloyd good honest no nonsense review, as always. Thank you.
Cheers fella.
Great review as always LLoyd, After doing a lot of research I decided to buy a 32" Pro 12 as a "Hack"/ bad weather clay gun, took it to a local 70 bird clay shoot the next day. Managed to straight a couple of stands and it actually shot quite well for a budget gun, second to last stand it double discharged and the trigger was locked up solid, took the trigger unit out and the top firing pin had come out of it,s retainer and moved over and jammed the bottom firing pin!, needless to say I took it back to the gunshop the next day and they were brilliant- offered me a replacement off the shelf immediately, I declined as I would,nt trust it not to do the same again. I traded it in for a 2 year old Beretta 687 SP 111 adjustable at a very very good price due to the hassle I,d had and I,m very happy with it. my pal has got an earlier supersport ATA and he has,nt had any issues with it since he bought it 3 years ago, maybe I got a "Friday afternoon" one, just thought I,d let you in on my experience. keep the reviews coming.
Bought a super sport last year, took it back after 1 week it hammered the face of me. Another great review Lloyd as usual
Hi Loyd great review, I bought one as a winter gun a few months back, I’ve put a couple of thousand through it no issues other than catching the trigger release inadvertently a couple of times, the stock chokes don’t pattern well but with some beretta extended Mobil chokes works well, shooting towards the top of the local club shoot now with it, and leaving the beretta at home on occasions, I think that says enough to me about how good it is.
Excellent review as always. Just a few further observations, not criticisms of your review or the gun. Bearing in mind you put a slab or more of cartridges through before you reviewed this gun, I’m surprised that it came as a surprise to you that there is no barrel selector on this gun when you were looking at it on the table. I also noticed that you had 1/4 choke in bottom barrel and half choke in the top. I purchased a Pro 12 a few weeks ago and while £1200 is the RRP with adjustable comb, they can be purchased new for £1050 with adjustable comb. I saw an offer on one stand at the Shooting Show in Harrogate for £1000 with adjustable comb. Bearing in mind no barrel selector I purchased an extra Skeet, 1/4 and 1/2 choke to cover most disciplines. They are fantastic well engineered guns for the price with great wood. I have yet to see any retailers offering stock and barrel weights but I’m sure these will be made available soon. As a matter of interest my 30” version with adjustable comb balances perfectly on the hinge pin without any additional weights. Trigger pull is good and can be adjusted. Perhaps this is one reason for the detachable trigger. Simple to remove it and adjust trigger to your preference with a screwdriver. Presumably a second detachable trigger will be made available at some point as a backup when shooting competitions. Some of the older competition guns with detachable triggers (Kemen for example and some earlier Berettas and Perazzis, didn’t have barrel selectors. No need to add a further complication that is not really required at competition level. The Pro 12 cannot be ignored at this price. This is a fantastic gun for the money with negligible felt recoil and will take the market by storm.
You could delete the barrel selector on any of my guns and I wouldn't notice. It's not something I use when shooting unless there is a presentation that *actually* requires it. Which I dont often see.
Great honest review. I too, don't really see the 'need' for the removable trigger, its unlikely this gun will be at the UK sporting championships at a pro level?? BUT, like you say, how COOL!!! is it to show your shooting mates? That's a bit of bling, that lets face we mostly all love, but don't need. But everything else for just £1200? and... so it won't hold its value used, but c'mon, 1200 new.... that's not a lot to lose... I get the feeling you could have this one gun and shoot it for many years, so what are you really losing? Yeah, you're spot on correct, it's the Kia or Hyundai. Would I buy one? yes I would. Offer it in a long lasting black metal finish, with a CG style ascent rib option... and ok, lets be crazy here, a full set of extended Teagues as standard.... for under £1500, I don't think they would be short of buyers...
Nice and comprehensive review. by the way I have an ATA,SP Elegant for 6 years now, it is as reliable as I first bought it, not as stylish as the ATA 12 pro though.
Great review Mr. P looks a great bit of kit for the money. But no barrel selection does put me right off. Look forward to your next video.
As someone who recently started lessons, these have already caught my eye (at the shooting show in fact!) - they certainly seem worth a look vs a second hand Browning/Beretta/Miroku at a similar price
Nice review Lloyd, I had an ATA for my first gun and it was fine, my son shoots a Brown laminate ATA and it goes well for what they are priced at. I will be interesting to see how this stands up in a years time?
Aye that will be the true test
I've put over a thousand through mine and I did have an issue with the second barrel cycling (trigger), sent it back and no issues so far, think they just polished the sears. Mainly shoot my B525 but I'm happy with the ATA for the money.
Thanks for watching man.
Great review
I've a sport with adjustable comb and find that a little proud on the cheek too
The only gripe with mine was the ejectors were like razors and every time I cleaned the barrels I'd get cut. A quick deburr with a diamond stone and all good
Like you say I'd not sell it due to the low resale value but after 2 years it's been a great introductory gun
Good video! Slightly longer review than normal, which I very much liked. Are the chokes proprietary or compatible? Ie. can I buy aftermarket chokes from the various vendors?
They are proprietory I think, I doubt anyone are making them commercially yet.
At last! I have been peeing my pants waiting for a review like this on this gun!
I have just started my journey in clay shooting. Just done my basic shotgun safety with North Wales Shooting School. (great bunch of fellas! look them up if your looking to start shooting!)
I wanted a second-hand Browning for my first gun. But was pointed towards the Pro12. And for what it offers seems like a great way into the sport.
I'm probably going to be shooting trap for a while as I'm learning. Apparently this is a great gun for that due to the fact that you can alter almost all of the bits you need to get your fit and balance right.
Would you recommend waiting to see if they do make a trap version or would that be basically the same as this gun?
Great review thanks!
Thanks for the feedback man. Honestly I would suggest getting in touch with Sportsman’s Gun Centre who are the distributor. Straight to the horses mouth.
Great Review Lloyd 💯 Thank you for Sharing 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Great review Lloyd,so pleased you did not call this a ''starter gun''.I've always thought if you can smash clays, like and shoot a gun
as well as you want,why have too buy a more expensive one.
You can shoot clays with whatever you want, how much pleasure you derive from the experience depends on many factors. The gun can be one of them both if you like shooting a really nice one, or shooting well with a really cheap one, and everything on the spectrum in between.
I throughly enjoyed that review Lloyd, next time you ask for a gun to trial, can’t you ask them for all the extras? barrel weights, stock weights, butt plate spacers etc. I would find it interesting to know what you can add and price to make it as personal/ individual to the individual.
Loved the review
You would think they would send all that as a matter of course. They never do.
I bought one, No weights either,and the Dealer didn’t know anything about them, not in the box??He was going to enquire for me!!
@philhodges823 as I stated, they are not included with the gun. You would need to buy them separately.
@@lloydyp ahh!!! Thanks for the reply!👍👍
Had a look at these in a local grounds shop the other day, bang for buck it’s seems very good. Wood doesn’t feel great but it’s £1100. The instructor I spoke to in there said for the price they have never seen anything better in their 30+ years.
Anyone starting out clay shooting what a cracking gun you don't have to brake the Bank to get shooting
100% agree about the 'Hyundai' comparison, it's something I've been saying too. People still give ATA / Yildiz stick., but as long as they keep innovating and trying new things, they'll eventually get a really good foothold. The spring-loaded adjustable trigger is a great feature, for example. They just need to make sure their fit and finish is up to par..
That a lot of gun for the money!
Great review Lloyd 👍
Cheers Graham.
The best looking ata I’ve seen nice forend
from a saftey point how good i it just to take trigger out when you have to leave gun in car beats carrying gun round
My dad had a issue with his after 50ish shoots it wasn't setting the second barrel trigger. Is was sent away, but no idea what was done to fix it.
Nice review. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Good balanced review. Any sign of a ATA factory visit on the cards? Be interesting to see how they’re doing what they’re doing to see where the improvements are being made.
Getting someone to pay for that will be a struggle I think. Factory tour vids are a huge undertaking to produce.
I have one of these and had it for a few months. Before i had/have a 686 and they are quite different. The 686 is far more pointable and has greater gun speed i suspect because of the difference in weight. I find the recoil on the ATA to be comfortable. I think this is a lot of value for money given the adjustable comb and chokes you get in the box. Not sure its helped me shoot any more clays but nice to have something steel shot proof too. The barrels are very conical if you look up close - again i guess aiming for Baretta style? Good review though, would be interested to hear more comparison of shooting it against another more expensive gun please.
A couple of lads on our local shoot have just purchased the ATA Pro and are happy as pig in S++t and the price point is good value for money !! i will purchase one as soon they will be available in 28" barrels 👍👍
🤮why?
@@lloydyp All my other shot guns are 28" & that's what i'm used to & after 40 yrs of shooting not going to change.
I bought one last week from Roy Martin gunsmith. I've only just taken shooting up as a hobby, I hit the first clay with the first shot. (Shame about the rest). I thought the recoil was quite strong too, compared to my ATA SP.
I shoot an ATA now, first gun £600 brand new, and it’s fine.but I’ve had it for 2 years now, and fancied an upgrade!! I saw this at the Doncaster show last year, liked the look of it, now someone who knows more than me about shotguns says it’s ‘interesting’, and was going to have a look at one on Tuesday, has made my interest levels increase 10 fold!!!
Did you buy one and if so what do you think of it? I’ve just reserved one.
@@davystella I did indeed!! Only used it twice, but I’m very happy so far with the results. Seems to be easier to keep the fun moving on those tricky right to left crossers!! I went for the 32’ barrels, my old ATA is only 30’, but as someone helpfully pointed out, I must be able to hit more, as I’m closer to the target!!😆😆😆
@@philhodges823 great, thanks for taking the time to respond. I’m picking my 30” one up on Thursday 👍
@@davystella .. No worries. Let me know how you get on with it.👍👍
Nice review👏🏻
What kind are you shooting now, Lloyd?
Krieghoff.
An excellent no nonsense review.
It’s what I do 😎
@@lloydypthat'll do me.
I have a Weatherby Orion 12 sporter that I bought 2 years ago and has proven to be an excellent gun. (made by ATA)
it’s a nice gun and I shoot it well, but it IS a little more punchy than my daily which I attribute to stock dimensions as well as tighter bore on the barrels. I think I paid 900 US and it’s a lot of gun for the money
When I originally saw this gun and with its detachable trigger, I initially thought that it was trying to be a poor man's DT11 with the blatant design similarities. However, after watching your review Lloyd, it now seems more of a Pro Sport with a hint of DT??
Great reviews Loyd, im in two minds of what gun to buy, the ATA or the Yildiz, now that I'm old i need the lighter gun. Your advice would be very much appreciated.
Lighter than what? I could do with knowing what we need to aim for.
If by yildiz you mean the pro? The yildiz is a far superior gun. An mx12 for peanuts
Hello Lloyd,
Great review on this ATA…..I recently purchased a Kizilkaya RT25 (six weeks ago) from dealer here in the USA. Well, I am not too happy with the customer service at this end of this purchase. To be more specific the factory supplied chokes ( five furnished and one choke would not even screw in either barrel) and the removable trigger group which was virtually almost impossible to remove. I sent my gun to the importer in Texas and gave me a NEW set of chokes and resolved the trigger problem for the most part!
Is it possible for you to get your hands on one of these guns and give an impartial review of it for any potential buyers of this model?
Thank you,
Mike P. (USA)
I think based on the pricing I’ve seen they will be too expensive for the uk market.
can we make a list of order regarding quality and durability with ata pro, browning cxs, beretta 686 and fabarm elos n2 rs?
Lloyd, how do you find the triggers on ATAs? I had an sp black which I bought new and eventually traded in because the trigger pulls were so bad it was actually effecting my shooting, took me a while to realise what was going on but the gun wasn’t going off when my brain was expecting 😂. Had shot plenty of berettas and brownings before that though so guess it may be fine if you started with an ATA and got used to it.
It was fine, remember my calibration is Krieghoff / Perazzi, BUT I shoot different guns all the time, so your calibration with triggers is probably a lot narrower in terms of what you are used to.
@@lloydyp I wouldn’t be so sure 😂 I’ve had so many guns I actually don’t think I can remember them all! Bit of an ongoing joke amongst family and friends how fast I get bored. Got a Miroku o/u a aya side by side and a laurona side lock side by side at the moment but it probably won’t be long before I have to try something else 😂.
@TonyWalker
The detachable trigger guns from ATA, has much better/lighter trigger pulls 😃 not fantastic, but you couldn't ask for more at this price.
@lloydyp great review as always, much appreciated 👍
@@Frederiksberegvej Thank you sir.
I'd love to see them in the states. And I'd love to see a 32" 20ga. With the same bits. Lol
I think because it's cheap if something cocks up within the trigger group you can literally have a spare trigger group in your bag.
As always a great review . In australia the MIROKU
MI38T30INV
MK38 TRAP is arround $400 more and in my view a better gun with excellent parts availability ,It may be a Browning copy, but a decent copy in every way,
It's not really a copy of a Browning. Brownings are manufactured there in the same factory.
I don’t like the forend or nickel colour of the action but these look incredible quality for the money for a bit more money you’d go with one of these over the ATA supersport all day I like how ATA have become the every man’s gun it’s affordable and you can’t really slate them for the money you never really hear a bad thing said about them.
A very thorough and indepth review. I agree with your thoughts about the detachable trigger, whilst cool, is it realy necessary?
It is very interesting to see how far ATA have come with regards to design and quality. It will be interesting to see if they continue to act as a market disruptor and how the more established and bigger brands react. Cheers
Cheers Luke
Nice review surprised you hadn't noticed the none selective trigger! For me its a mistake not putting a selective trigger on a sporter. With a 5 year warranty you can't go wrong.
Hello, it was a great review. Is it suitable and hunting? Please let me know its price in euros
Nice looking gun Lloyd I don’t know if ATA is available in the States I’ll have to look
Nope. I've been looking for years now. The only thing available is the tactical stuff. There is a place called foxtrot out of new york, I think. That is a distributor. But I haven't been able to get a hold of them.
Try weatherby orion sporting, same guns made by ATA 😃
Don’t know if this new version is available yet?
Standard model should be available In the States
Great review as a first or even second gun it's a bit of a bargain. As you say no good as a trade in. But if you decide to blow 5k on something posh (and if it's that good why would you) chuck it in the back of the cabinet to lend to a mate or take out on a horrible winters day when you don't want to take the good gun out.. I guess you'd loose at least half it's value if you part x it within a year or so. But 5/7 years down the line I can't imagine it would lose much more.
Given the choice which would you have the webley and Scott pro comp the yildiz pro black or the ata pro 12 which is the better £1000/£1500 Turkish gun
💯 the ATA based on what I’ve seen.
Yildiz pro by far better quality
Zero comparison. A yildiz pro is an mx12- no ifs ands or buts, find a story of a yildiz pro having an issue- you won't, the ata is a cheaply made 686 lookalike, decent cheap gun, but a hell of a long way off a y pro, lloyd didn't like the yildiz as its a direct copy of perazzi
Shot one last year at a `show` could,nt believe the price!! Got to be a belting buy 2nd hand! Was told there,s a Higher Grade one coming along?......
Can you make a video comparing this one to a Yildiz pro?
maybe...
Does anyone know if these are available in USA? If so where.
Nope. Foxtrot is a distributor. But I only ever see the tactical stuff. I havent been able to get any answers from them.
Which would you choose between this or a Yildiz pro?
I think these are better made, but the Yildiz pro is a bit nicer to shoot. Wouldn't take much to improve the shooting characteristics and make this a better gun all round.
ATA are better made than the yildiz spz range but haven't got the quality of the yildiz pro
@@lloydypbetter made than yildiz pro??? No chance, the mid rib design, breach face isn't flush to shell heads. Metalurgy and fitment, a yildiz pro - an mx12 direct mechanical copy made from same steels- is leaps ahead of any ata on the market mate
@@fullchoke01 yes I agree
it might not hold the same value as a 686 E but youll lose 2-300 on the ata youll lose 6-700 on the beretta. If you went to sell or PX it.
Heard they don't like 21gm loads, not resetting for the second shot.
Never tried 21s through it, but I did try 24s and they worked fine.
Ignore the Turkish manufacturers at your peril.
You hit the nail on the head Lloyd. If ATA are Hyundai then Yildiz are Kia. They are making massive strides in modern guns in the same way the Spanish industry did in the 1930-1970s.
Tried a Yildiz pro the other day for a laugh. Stopped laughing very quickly. Now actively looking for one as a second gun.
Excellent, fair review as always. Never even thought about the detachable trigger until you said 😂 No reason accept for a bit of peacocking.
In the market for a new gun to replace the sarasketa I've had for 30 years. This looks like a well priced all rounder.
Lloyd, how are you
Tell me anestly what's your next shotgun 😅
Krieghoff.
@@lloydyp yesssss good for you👍
I found atas clumsy in the hand that’s my opinion