This new reverb plugin is groundbreaking | Samplicity Berlin Studio
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- čas přidán 9. 11. 2022
- Let's take a look at the new groundbreaking reverb plugin Berlin Studio by Samplicity.
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This plugin shocked me!! Fantastic!!!!
It looks pretty great and unique! As the Orchestral Tools and many other libraries user I think it is finally possible to make all of them sound unified. Not to mention the possibility to add the real instruments (piano, solo strings etc) more or less dry recorded over the sample orchestral tracks and make them sound like they were recorded in the same hall. Amazing. Thank you for your great overview! I am buying it.
MY GUY!!! hitting us with the "FAR HORIZONS"!!! love it
Loving the intro! And the sound of Berlin Studio.
Thanks man!
Got this one as soon as I heard about it. Great sound and awesome controls. Now developers could use this idea and have only dry sound patches with a separate reverb. That would reduce the size of these libraries by 80%. This really is the ultimate reverb.
finally something groundbreaking so we don’t have to watch any more review videos and buy plugins, the search is over at last
Hahaha! :D Good one! :) Unless you find something groundbreakinger! :)
Thank you for the review Alex.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Picked this up yesterday. I'm REALLY enjoying my tests for things like Phoenix Orchestra (which sounds sort of dull, room-wise) and Ample Sound's China collection.
This really is nice. Thank you for the review
You're welcome!
You're telling me we finally have a good Teldex verb? This is kind of a game changer for me. Thank you for this video! Big fan btw. Your courses rock.
Thank you so much!!
Good and funny review, thanks Alex!
Danke dir!
Damn that actually sounds amazing!
Hey mate, yep, was my first thougth also! :)
Bought it this week. It really is exceptional. It sounds lovely; the multiple microphone positions are really useful. Mixing orchestral music has become a joy and much more efficient.
Do you find you can attain a good sound with modest tweaking?
@@alleyway3215Definitely. Typically I create a mic mix I like, save it as a preset, and then apply that preset to each instrument, changing only the instrument section and then tweaking the mix if necessary. My one wish is that I could bring all reverb levels down together (linked), in relation to the direct signal (rather than adjusting each mic individually, which might mess up the balance). But as a workaround I can adjust the input and direct signal levels, and leave the reverb levels as they are, which allows me to tweak the overall wetness while maintaining the reverb mic mix. (Hope that makes sense.)
@@cinemight Thanks for the explanation. This will be an alternative to Mir Pro 3D, and I'm excited.
Nice video Alex I'll have a look at there site best wishes Phil UK England 👍
Samplicity probably does a little dance right now :)
Would love to have seen / listen to a full orchestral track using Berlin Studio Reverb, getting an idea of overall sound and CPU performance.
there will be probably many videos like this in the near future! :)
Well, that is just straight-up a badass plugin!!!
Yep, absolutely. I don't have MIR but from videos and handling etc I can imagine!
i'm pretty sure eastwest spaces II does similar with convolutions for same hall for each different section position. i suppose this goes next level to each instrument
Gotta love the elder scrolls themes
Damn, i just purchased LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven pro.:)
Thanks Alex.
It's an awesome reverb nonetheless! :)
Great video, Alex. You showed an example of the CSB Horn with the default CSB mic mix. Isn't it better (or: closer to the intent of the plugin) to send the most dry sound (so the close mics) to the plugin?
Thank you. I would say it depends on the result you want to achieve. I always love using the entire studio sound of an instrument.
just when I was looking for a good reverb plugin for my new orchestral template! are you stalking me Alex? thanks for sharing!
the skyrim theme hits hard
literally just bough precedence and breeze to do this exact thing days ago haha!
Hey Alex, ein tolles Video, daß mir bisher wohl entgangen ist. Der Anfang war mega-witzig !! Nice, daß Du auf das Berlin Reverb eingegangen bist, denn dazu gibt es kaum nennenswertes Material, ausser von Dan.J., der aber viel zu schnell redet. Du scheinst im Video sehr mit dem PlugIn zufrieden zu sein. Nutzt Du es selbst in der Produktion und wäre es eine Kauf-Empfehlung Deinerseits ?
Danke dir! Jap, ist fest in mein template integriert 😊
This sounds pretty awesome, I guess it could also easily bring more life to not so pro sounding libraries.
With all of the Black Friday deals coming and going, do you have any recommendation what libraries are worth the investment.
Also, stop playing with my feelings with those Elder Scrolls sounds. 😅
Far Horizons gets me everytime! :)
Game changer! LOL. I don't think I need any more plugins...if they send it to me for free though.... 😂
So to be clear, this has to be on each instrument track, not a buss, right? I also heard it is CPU hungry. Any detail on this?
Hi Alex. Not sure if you are still responding to Videos on this channel, but thought I would ask anyway. I purchased Cinematic Rooms Reverb and now I am seeing this Berlin Studio option I am wondering can you use these together? or is it one or the other? I get that Berlin is for using a pretty dry signal from any Plugin then it will place it in the right area of an Orchestra etc etc Cinematic rooms also is amazing and overall it gives a fantastic depth and width BUT if you could confirm if you COULD use them together OR you should use them separately. I see benefits of using both but need to warrant the expense :) thanks as always.
I assume that you would end up having an instance of this reverb on each individual channel (or possibly group/stem, etc) instead of a single instance on a send? (so that you can tweak individual instrument settings). In which case is there a machine performance impact? And does this also mean a move away from the more traditional way if using reverbs?
I personally never work with sends/returns. I would use one of the groups or instrument categories. I didn't have time to set up a template with all instruments categorised into individual ensembles yet, so I am not sure how my system would behave with 10 instances or so. What is the traditional way for you by the way? :)
@@AlexPfeffer I'm guessing that's to make it easier for stemming?
Sorry, by traditional way I meant using send/return and just dialling it in on each track/group.
@@robin_miller_music Ah ok. Well, the only advantage the send/returns is, that you can route several instruments to the same reverb by also be able to change the reverb level. So, yes, when you have to send lots of stems or single tracks, mostly people want to have the stems with all the reverb applied and if you want to batch export it makes things pretty difficult.
If you use more instances (16 on an i5 laptop of mine was not a problem), you can set the tail level of a channel to zero, it will stop processing after 2 seconds. This way you can also use lots of instances for positioning of individual instruments, there is only some 80 msecs to process instead of 2,2 seconds :-) Cheers, Peter from Samplicity
Thanks for your video, now I have to buy it, damn.. How about the CPU performance? I guess this only makes sense as an insert and we'll probably use it on a lot of tracks.
Thank you! You can actually see the performance in the upper right corner of my Cubase bar.
Check my reply a few comments up. This will also be documented on the site and in the FAQ, but in this first week it's a little bit busy ;-) Peter - Samplicity
Do you need to load an instance of the plugin for each reverb group?
Yes, you can not route several instruments into one plugin and then decide which audio signal goes where.
Aside from reverb, does this also replace the need to pan?
Sort of, the woodwinds have a general section. I would always make sure to listen if it sounds right for you. Generally and personally I never pan anything.
how much cpu does it take i assume you need separate instance per instrument?
I didn't do any mass testing yet, but I think Peter described that you can set the tail level to 0 after processing a signal and it may save some more cpu.
This plugin is so realistic that does reminds me a recording with Newman Scoring Stage Palace.
I honestly want to try that plugin someday.
So this is a lot like the T verb plug-in from Eventide with individually EQ’s instead of a stereo Bus EQ? With the positioning options on the left are very different.
Can't say anything about TVerb but yes, Berlin Studio focuses on Orchestral Seating Positions and replicating the Berlin Teldex Studio reverb.
@@AlexPfeffer you should check out T verb as well. It’s on every session I use because it sounds freaking amazing and it’s made to capture the sound that was originally captured during the David bowie sessions using the deca tree.
Can you only change Size, or is there perhaps a Mix available as well?
Sorry I don't understand. I didn't try to change the size tbh. And yes, you can mix the individual mic positions.
@@AlexPfeffer thanks! I was referring to being able to turn down an instance of reverb with a single mix-percentage knob (similar to Seventh Heaven). This is in case it would be too overbearing, or if you’d want to apply a second algorithmic reverb afterwards.
But if you can change the mix of each mic position independently, then that’s probably much better in terms of options.
It would be nice tho if you could lock the mic positions and turn everything down/up as a master control
@@The_Rock_That_Floats tbh I don't find this a problem to quickly do that with three knobs instead of one. It's not like you fiddling around with that through the entire writing or mixing session. I know that time is precious but since it isn't a repetitive task I don't mind at all. I can also see Peter doing this is an update while holding shift and alt etc like you can do in Cubase. Maybe it already works this way. Tbh I didn't check that.
Skyrim ❤
How about Spacer by spectral plugins...
Cool plugin, but a completey different method and concept
@@AlexPfeffer ok
I saw you replied to me but the comment is not here, i cannot see the whole reply here. I also notice you using Full Mix mic setting with CSB then sending it. Should only be using close mic and if anything else, the tiniest bit of room, you do not want to double the late reflections of 2 different spaces. sorry if being annoying but really interested in this reverb. I need to see how it works when we send different tracks to this reverb. Like if I sent my string section, then my brass section.. how do you distinguish them apart in Berlin studio. does it show icons for each track? am thinking of emailing the company with lots of questions haha.
Hey, no worries, my account got hacked so I was a bit busy :D ... let me ask you differently. Would you be able to hear those double latre reflections of 2 different spaces in a full mix? So far in all my 17 years of experience, no one did :)
People always make a difference between sounding good or not, too dry or too wet, but never too many rooms.
As for your question regarding Berlin Studio. You see in the video that I set the reverb plugin to the Violins I section. This plugin is hosted on a group track and I route all my Violin I instruments into it. The same goes for Violin II, Viola and all brass and woodwind instruments.
@@AlexPfeffer I thought if you have rooms stacked it gets muddy in the mix. maybe not depending what you use. Cory Pelizari taught us how to use Early and Late Refections in a video a year ago or more. That is where i learned it. Good video. THanks, i Really want this reverb now too!
@@maplefoxx6285 There is a difference in stacking reverbs and stacking reverbs :D ... in general, yes, I agree, the mix CAN get muddy when you use two reverb sources that are too huge or too wet, but that doesn't mean that every stacked reverb is causing a muddy mix. You should always use your ears over some weird rules that "if you do this then this happens". I agree with what Cory says, but it common in Hollywood, for example, to record the tracks in a great orchestral hall and then put a long algorithmic reverb tail on it to create a bit more depth. As with everything in music, explore, experiment and try out stuff, fail and do it again. This is the ONLY way how to get better - it is actually way more effective than following some stiff rules. The only thing that rules create is sort of a cook with two books, one is full of rules, the other ones are full of receipts. This mostly ends up in confusion about what to do or not instead of being creative with what YOU want to achieve.
@@AlexPfeffer thanks for the reply, there is a lot of different opinions about panning as well with orchestral libraries, I have heard some people say never to pan, i have heard others say never pan over 10 percent, then others say just go for it what sounds right, like you are saying. experiment , thanks
@@maplefoxx6285 Yep I get that and they all make sense, but it is not something that you can apply as a general rule in your workflow which I believe is the main problem. Someone says that you have to follow unwritten law 1, 2, 6, 8a and 9b except when you do x or y ... but if you do z you have to do 3, 10, and 11 but only when case 10b happen. It is all big BS and this is what confuses most people.
There is only one rule that people should follow instead: If it sounds good, it's good ... no matter if it is an Emin chord played with a 12 trombone patch resulting in 36 audible trombones, panning over 10 L/R or using 3 different kinds of reverbs, all applied while leaving the hall mics on. The most important thing is when paying attention to basic problems such as: If you use send/return do not set it to e.g. 50% wet because when sending a 50% wet signal through a send/return you hear 50% of the original signal and due to DAWs plugin latency resulting in phasing issues.
I'm a simple man. If I hear a voice that comes out of nowhere in my room, I listen 😳 Great review & love the melodies you chose! n_n
Thank you so much!
This is better than Eareverb 2? I was about to purchase that one, but now I see this thing and sounds epic!!! . Can you send different tracks to this plugin on one single track, that is how Virtual Stage 2 works. But that is an old plugin now. this sounds much nicer.
Hey, you can always send different tracks to any plugin when you use the plugin on a bus/group track.
@@AlexPfeffer I know, but what i mean is check out how Virtual Sound stage works, once you do a reverb send with each track, they appear as little icons all in that one instance, even if it a send or on a folder track in reaper, works the same both ways. you can see each track as a little icon on the scoring stage in that one instance of Virtual Sound Stage 2, it is an older plugin tho. but still pretty awesome, I was just wondering if this works in the same way? I am pretty sure Eareverb 2 does this as well, But this new plugin Berlin Studio is far superior in sound. It would be nice to add to the mixing setups.
@@maplefoxx6285 Hey, you should be able to see how Berlin Studio works. You route e.g. Violins 1 to the appropriate section in the reverb plugin sitting on a bus/group track, and then you hear your instruments with the appropriate reverb settings. It is not as detailed as Virtual Sound Stage works, but Berlin Studio is about great orchestral panning/seating in the Teldex Studio. Hope that makes sense.
Far Horizons!!!!
Playing all in single terms doesn't really say anything about the quality of the reverb... I miss to hear the combination of more than 4-5 instruments groups placed on their accurate positions. And a single instrument group doesn't sound the same in the audition or chief position than a full instruments composition because of the damping factor of the players. In the last case the reverb is monoish in mid and raised to the sides massively. So, from the technical side I miss the ability to set to control M/S of the reverb.
This video was mainly done to show the individual microphone positions and the individual EQ options. I think we are all aware that an instrument in a mix sounds different but in this video I am not showing how to mix reverb but demonstrate how a plugin works.
i bought this reverb and i am very upset with how they need us to use i lok cloud, it only works when you are online. Every other i lok plugin i own , 24 of them. all work by registering to "home computer" this is crazy bad to have a plugin run like this in 2023. I am emailing them for a refund maybe even . I live in the country like a lot of composers and we don't have the best internet connection. It can drop out for periods of a few minutes quite often. It just seems like I won't be able to use this in projects in my DAW. They really should change that how the i lok works.
Are you sure about all this info? When I am reading through the iLok cloud information it sounds as if it is only needed when loggin into a session that needs Berlin Studio. As far as I know you don't need to be constantly online. Even if this is the case, I am sure that either iLok or Samplicity makes sure to switch to iLok 2/3. You are not forced to use iLok Cloud.
@@AlexPfeffer yea I tested it with internet turned off and it gives you a msg saying you need to be connected to use it. i guess i need a usb stick now. weird , i thought most companies were not using those anymore for 5 years now, i mean for recent plugins. all my i lok stuff just registers to the computer now.