Ravi Zacharias and the Problem of Celebrity Culture
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2021
- The problem with celebrity culture, both inside and outside of the church, is the sense that certain people cannot be held accountable for their actions. As if, because of the status that they hold, they are “untouchable”, that they are the exception, not the rule. This mentality inevitably leads to the downfall of our Christian teachers who are under the greatest spiritual attack and temptation. Let us do away with this mentality once and for all.
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The words celebrity and preacher should not go together.
Well this preacher is desperate to be a celebrity!
The words authority and preacher should not go together.
@Nosoup899
Wow! I think you must be unaware of the fact that Ravi died a year ago!
The only person worth celebrating is Christ.
@@sqlblindman A board of business people who took over his company released the charges and claims after supposedly a few women came forward with these accusations.
After his death.
All similtaneously.
And so apparently the board of people hired a private firm to make private investigation...
And THEN this firm brought forth the accusations with the 3 women against Ravi.
All after his death- when he has no chance to defend himself.
Oh and a few yrs back another women claimed that she sent Ravi naked photos- and then tried to blackmail him for millions.
It didnt exactly work because SHE was the one who sent the photos.
You see there is a history of trying to tie Ravi to sexual crimes.
But now that everyone is such a damn sheep, ESPECIALLY in the Christian community- everyone takes this at face value.
Im honestly sick of seeing none of these Christian CZcamsrs not doing any actual digging.
There is NOTHING normal about this case and if this were all true then why did it take some shadow firm to do an investigation instead of thr actual police?
"You will do yourself a tremendous favour if you ponder, acknowledge and accept the evil you are capable of."Dr Jordan Peterson.
Do not deny the shadow within. Embrace and tame it
@@AJD1139
Go to the light my friend suppress the shadow.
That's how I became a Born Again Christian in the first place (though to be specific, I learned about Jordan Peterson later)
@@JESUSGreatrThan_all_LsThnJESUS You didn't study neither Peterson nor Jung did you? That's the opposite of Christianity. We CAN'T suppress the Shadow, child...we ASK GOD to do it, WILLINGLY.
It's alright to ponder, but unless you're born again there's no guarantee you won't do further and further evil
That's why we must focus alone on Jesus Christ,not on any human being,no matter how high his/her status in society is. Jeremiah 17:5,Matthew 10:37
That includes those who say, "You must believe what I...teach about Jesus in who I THINK he is." Does one honestly believe that the "holier than thou" church leader think that the disciples were told the exact same think as the HOOKERS that Jesus forgave, for example? NO! All of us come from different areas of life because ALL OF US have different personalities! Another example: God told Hosea that he would marry one of those HOOKER! (Hosea 1:2) If we are al the same, what does that make the preachers wife or better yet, what should that make the Virgin Mary, Jesus' MOTHER?! - Critical thinking folks!
@@saxmanjpr5092 Re your "That includes those who say, 'You must believe what I teach about Jesus and what I think of Him.' Do you really ... ..... "
Great! Thumbs-up given.
Now let's hear what you REALLY want to say...
Just BTW, are you Christian yourself? Which shade of pale?
HC-JAIPUR (21/06/2021)
@@hiltonchapman4844 If you knew my testimony, you would be shocked. I have almost died TWICE to find out who Jesu really is, and that does not include when Satan tried to kill me when I was a baby in a car accident that murdered my mom and sister .
@@saxmanjpr5092 Re your response to me: "If you knew my testimony, you would be shocked!..... "
Fair enough.
But let's not get involved in a battle of "my testimony is weirder than yours"! It's a Christian version of a game little boys play in the schoolyard.
Suffice it to say that if you say your testimony is shocking, I believe you, I take your word for it.
And I think we'll call it quits while we're both ahead.
May your quest be successful...
HC-JAIPUR (21/06/2021)
@@hiltonchapman4844 Im not battling at all. All I am saying is that I have been to hell and back and discovered that Jesus is completely different than what the church says he is. I went to church for 35 years and NOT ONCE did I ever find help. I was only controlled. I even had a preacher have security escort me off the property for beginning my testimony with, "my step mom she claimed to be a Christian sexually abused me." Just because one says that they are "saved" does not mean they are. "The road is narrow and VERY FEW are those that find it." - 2.2 BILLION Christians" in America alone is not "a few!" ;)
Oh man, I feel really bad about the scandal of Ravi.
وَإِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلَا أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوب
God said, Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, Worship me and my mother as gods instead God ? [Jesus] answered, May You be exalted in Your limitless glory. It is not for me to say what I have no right to say. Had I said this, You would have known it. You know all that is within me, whereas I do not know what is in You. It is You alone who has full knowledge of unknown things.
Quran 5:116
A sad reality indeed
Not saying anything but check out his son's website defending Ravi. Maybe there's a light at the end
@@allahuakbar3010 You really fell like put your comment everywhere! ;)))))
@@allahuakbar3010 What's funny is that pre islamic Arabian Christians didn't even call Jesus Isa, they called him Yashu. Maybe thats someone else
After all he did, In a bizarre way, I still look up to the Intellect of Ravi Zacharias. His points made sense and he was an amazing speaker. I honestly can't bring myself to hate him but I am disappointed with what he did.
I hope you repented before he died and confess to his wife. I did liked him too, it was terrible what he did. I feel sad for the women that had to go through that, mentally it will haunt them for some time but God is with them.
@HANUNIJA you're writing nonsense, some people are just crazy.
@@virginiasanchez4614 wait what Ravi do?
@@rawfeekee657 he abuse some women. And some other stuff. You have to look it up. 😕
@@virginiasanchez4614 aw man. Dang
Full agreement. Idol worshipping seems to be in our blood. Gotta be careful.
".. in our blood" yes agreed. Just like anger, hatred and all the unholiness that we have, even the ones we cannot see.
I agree with you , is almost like the is a part of us that wants to worship idols.
The cannanites did and look what happened to them. God hates idolatry, along with sin in general
I got to meet Dr. Turek a few months ago at a new church that was standing up in Alpharetta, GA. Picked up both his books and thanked him for helping me turn away from secularism. I brought up the Ravi incident and I could tell the hurt and sting was still there.
Are you really not for separation of religion and state??
I love when he explains what he’s saying!!
I love how smart everyone's gotten,That bible is amazing,amazing God wow
Don't you do that yourself?
@@2ndPigeon he probably means not missing the details he wanted to hear and explain the issue to a t,alot of people bypass detail.
When I heard R.Z. speak, he had the ability to make my faith in the LORD solid. It dosen't matter to me what his faults were. My faults may have been worse than his. ITS NOT UP TO ME TO JUDGE.
Ravi helped me grow in the faith and knowledge if our Lord
"It doesn't matter to me what his faults are". Really??? How heartless you are!!!! Go and utter that statement to the victims (women he abused ). This is why Christianity will never make any rational sense. It's all about emotion not objective truth and justice.
@@TA-vu9se
I heard about his transgressions after his death. Do you have some special insight that can tell when someone has wronged someone else? Are you a perfect human? It's still not up to me to judge others in the way you're judging my heartlessness. That's still up to the LORD.
@@josephkrawczeski1121 -- I agree with your general sentiment. We must separate the grain from the chaff.
@@josephkrawczeski1121 I wonder what you’d say if it was your daughter who was his victim, I suspect you wouldn’t be singing his praises
The guy asking the question may have the heaviest accent I’ve ever heard
Props to him
It’s not sin, it’s see-in
I got what I needed from Ravi I thank the Lord for that. Abuse of power and sex is wrong and even King David had this issue and was dealt with appropriately by God. I know my God is a just God and He knows how handle the Ravi matter.
Except King David repented and changed his ways no? And Ravi stood by his lies until his deathbed and never repented. Its different. Now if I were to say Christ paid for his wrongdoings in full settlement and he gets a free heaven entry pass to heaven would be just wrong.
@@refjrjefir5113 how did he repent when he remained married to Batsheeba? It was all about her and in the end he kept her and had Salomon with her. Yes he got punished with death and dishonour....but in the end he kept what he sinned for. I don't like that. It shows that if you want something badly you can kill for it then you will be punished but you can keep what you killed for. I'm very confused by sense of this story.
@@caracal82 The Bible says that God forgave him but the sword will never leave his house. The instruction of the prophet aka from God was to repent, if God wanted him to leave Barsheaba, it would have said. Do you think you are more rightrous than God? If you watch any if the cross examined then you know then surely you know the famous reply: where does your standard of rightrousness come from?
@@RDCFemmes Yet with all the horrible behaviour from David, you think the brother/sister of the Bathsheba would believe him to be a prophet of God? You think people should trust anything from the mouth of David if he talks about god after all he did according to the bible? Christianity makes no sense to me at all....
For example can you explain to me why "god" said he hated Esau???? I thought your god is a god of love but he hates Esau. That doesn't add up!
@@TA-vu9se - “Oh the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past tracing out!” Romans 11:33
The Bible is stock FULL of examples of celebrity "saints" that face plants in embarrassing fashion all the time. If you think this is shocking, you haven't read the Bible.
Prophet Eli, Prophet Samuel's sons, Prophet Balaam, Prophet Jonah.....
Is it bad or good in a way? 🤔
People are always drawn to a "leader" or someone in I higher position.
This is the judgement that we are not to judge which actually means to condemn. It's not for us to say who ultimately goes to Heaven and Hell. We know why people will go to either place which is what the gospel is all about but where each individual stands with God when they breathe their last breath, only God knows.
وَإِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلَا أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوب
God said, Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, Worship me and my mother as gods instead God ? [Jesus] answered, May You be exalted in Your limitless glory. It is not for me to say what I have no right to say. Had I said this, You would have known it. You know all that is within me, whereas I do not know what is in You. It is You alone who has full knowledge of unknown things.
Quran 5:116
@@allahuakbar3010 Jesus Christ is Lord, Savior and God.
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Revelation 22:12-13
@@festushaggen2563
Yet we should not water down the truth either, we should openly admit that such behavior what Ravi practised cannot by any means lead to heaven.
@@nikokapanen82 That's a separate issue. Judging sin and condemning people are 2 different things. We can condemn what Ravi did but it's not for us to condemn him to Hell. We have no idea what transpired between him and God in his final hours. I'm sure we'd all like that grace because as it's written,
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." I John 1:8-10
This was a message from a Christian to Christians.
@@festushaggen2563 Jesus said *I am ascending to my God your God* John 20:17
This hit me hard. Sin is a tough one... isn't all sin willing sin to be fair? Who among us is without sin... we only get to heaven through the Grace of Jesus...as we walk on this earth broken. We all desperately need Jesus.
AMEN! I wan’t to be able to argue and explain like you do Frank, you’re just amazing. God bless you and all glory to God for creating you an making you the way you are!
I'm really disappointed that so many people seem totally unaware of the fact that Ravi's son has been making a very logical, compelling case against the results of the investigation.
Everyone is just accepting it as an opportunity to give the "this is why we should only focus on Jesus" speech. Which is great and all, but shouldn't take away from trying to find out the truth. Especially since he isn't here to defend himself.
Loved the topic about the chapter of james regarding teachers
what Ravi did was evil but i still will be thankful for his ministry, his actions do no undermine the truth he shared
How do you know he done it?
@@colinandrews310 i don't know he did 100 percent, but rzm did a investigation and said it was true
@@jeffphelps1355 I know m8 that they did but I have seen so much talk about this and so many people make videos on the situation and the problem i have is not dr turek because I think he has been very humble about the situation but ive watched many others make video's on it and I just wonder why the celebrity thing keeps coming up all the time when what I have seen is that the people who have constantly been trying to run the mans name into the ground because of the so called sexual abuse he has committed and for me the people making the videos are trying hard to make themselves CZcams celebrities
@@colinandrews310 i would love to say it's not true , Ravi was a big part in my Christian growth
@@jeffphelps1355 Well all I can say is that the Lord Jesus is not playing games with us and I just think that a man was taken from a country where the Lord Jesus did not exist and the Lord Jesus chose a servant from a young age to spread his word across the world and at the end of the day he is only human and I personally believe that there is more to this than meets the eye. Alot of people have jumped on the bandwagon to make their own peace of their own sins by using this for their own sake and gain. The problem is I don't see anyone on the celebrity CZcams channel's trying to believe his wife who doesn't believe any of these stories. Apparently she is in denial about it all according to the Christians who have constantly been on this story and have even said she is making things worse by telling lies about the situation. Lori Anne Thompson and her husband tried this stunt before and did not get away with it but 2nd time lucky she did. It's to hard work for people to do their own investigations into things they just believe the first thing they hear from what we call sound pastor's etc. The Lord Jesus tells us to examine everything that we are taught by elders etc.
I remember King David, fondly known as the man after God's heart. And Frank did say it out loud before, that the place with the most hypocrites is the church. Let's leave Ravi's hypocrisy in God's hands, because at the end of the day it is between God and Ravi. As far as I can tell, the punishment for Ravi's sin is the clear destruction of RZIM, his legacy. We're all hypocrites, and we would do well to undestand and acknowledge it, because every single day we persistently fall short, far more on some days, not so much on others.
David immediately repented and changed dont compare the two
@@daniell5740 , and because you say so, I cannot compare them? What exactly would your point be regarding the salvation of Ravi Zacharias then? Care to share? But maybe you are right that I should not compare them. King David was also a murderer on top of being an adulterer, and Ravi was not.
@@jdshl8423 I just said why you can not compare them? Zach lived this life, David Repented and did not live it. Those who know the truth but do not live it do not have the truth in them. Only those who persue peace and holyness will enter the kingdom of God. Those who truelly love God will enter the kingdom of God and those are people who dont live a sinful life.
@@daniell5740 -- We have the Proverbs and Ecclesiastes (assumedly written by Solomon). There's nothing in the biblical text that says anything about Solomon repenting from his wicked ways. Not explicitly anyway. Yet, 2 books in the bible claim Solomon's authorship. There are writers and preachers who are desperate to "redeem" Solomon, but the arguments offered in Solomon's favor are emotional, not biblical.
We're all hypocrites, but not all of us are rapists and abusers - never compare us with that scum.
Hey Frank, I'd like you to talk about this.
Some "men of God" or even other people use the verse that says "touch not my anointed" to defend themselves, saying that it means you can not question, criticize or be skeptical about a "man of God"
I've never seen anyone use this defense but if they did I'd probably think they could be a con artist.
"most" ?!?? Uh, no.
@@Charles.Wright I think that came out wrong, I'll correct it..I meant "some"
Not really. The prophet Nathan rebuked King David to his face. Apostle Paul did that to Peter too. I think it's more about the context of the situation instead of a blanket statement. We should always respect people of authority as in we shouldn't embarrass them in public but rather talk to them in private about any issue.
Yes, the Independent Fundamental Baptists teach this all the time! It's a horrible teaching centered around their ego. The funny part is that in the IFB church, there is almost zero qualifications to become a "man of god," and as soon as someone is labeled one, then they are untouchable, ruling their own church.
I remember meeting Mark Driscoll, what bothered me the most about meeting him was after when my friend just broke down crying.. I asked him why and his reply was “He was like a father to me” now we had just met him.. he’s a talented speaker don’t get me wrong but to break down when you meet someone. He is a celebrity for his controversial techniques.
This was a great video. Do not treat the people on stage as celebrities is something I would have loved to have known 10yrs ago. I had a lot of problems with other leaders because of this. I felt it was almost as if the people on stage were “untouchable“ and we have to do as we’re told and not question things. Which is why I had issues because I would question things and I wouldn’t just go with what was said. People didn’t like that. But man, I’m grateful God strengthen me through it all.
It’s hard to go against the crowd, even intimidating but I had to.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR... WE ALL HAVE FLAWS !!!!!!!! Ravi Zacharias was GREAT MAN... did more than ANYONE watching this channel /page !!!
Beautiful explanation Frank ❤️
Thanks so much for this. Nowadays, many Christians 'worship' pastors and not God.
We all fail, I’m thankful for Grace.
Yes😢❤
I'm reminded of hearing a pastor, when questioned about his study time of the Bible and the like, said "I'm worried you might be thinking that I'm 'so much more spiritual than you' - truth is, it probably looks a lot like yours."
Christ is our Lord, not people.
When someone is acting in an area where they're gifted, it may even be to the point of inspiring awe. But that gift comes from God. A person using their gift is not the Gift-Giver, and outside their gifts that person is likely just like everyone else. In fact, gifts can (but shouldn't) turn into burdens if we start misusing them.
Of the seven deadly sins, there's a reason pride is listed first.
Im a Catholic, but I've watched many videos with Ravi. Just out of curiosity - how can you know if Ravi didn't repent before his death? Just because he did not announce publicly that he did sin? It is possible he did repent, cried out to God and asked for forgiveness. Why most people don't believe he changed?
Being truly sorry for your sins means you take steps to repay those you have wronged. It may have not needed to be public, but the fact that no reparations were made, not even apologies issued privately to his victims, means he didn't regret anything he did.
But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount." - Luke 19:8
@@johannrodriguezdino yea well there are many ways in which he could compensate for evil, such as supporting poor, which I believe he did. I think people judge him more because they feel they should have a chance to participate in public punishment of him, rather then because they have certainty he did not repent.
@@adambrosz5219 So you can say sorry to someone by donating to charity or feeding the poor and NOT reach out to that person and admit you were wrong/ask for forgiveness. That's not Jesus' Bible my friend, that's a politician's bible your reading.
So that is enough for your God to forgive him even if the victims don't?Then what kind of frail justice system does your god have ? He must be worse than Hitler
@David Mazuca I am questioning the justice system of your so called God that's being portrayed by your Christian brothers who seem to care less about the victims.... A terrible example is in 1 samuel 15:3 when your god Jesus (as god of the old testament, according to trinitarians) commanded grownup men to cowardly wage war against innocent , helpless and unarmed babies, infants and donkeys.......
It's not self-righteousness that takes one to heaven but FAITH in the righteousness of Christ which determines the forgiveness of sins. Following that,we can't objectively conclude that he went to hell because you can repent and ask for forgiveness in private. Of course he was a public figure but that doesn't mean what he didn't do in public really never happened. Let's avoid perfectionism fellow brothers and sisters.
Dr. Turek is on point!
We all love to jump to conclusion on who is in heaven or hell. These are thing we can't judge, we should focus more on our eternal destiny than judging others, nobody knows where he or she will end. May God save our Souls and bring us to his heavenly home In Jesus Name.
@Mavors I don't know and I don't wish this on anyone, only God knows he is the only Righteous Judge
@Mavors so by your logic, Hitler is in heaven
Does anyone know where the podcast is that he mentioned in this video? I can't find it.
I'm just leaving this here.. it may help some of you.. Have a nice day :)
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Matthew 23:1-3
Nope. No help at all.
Is that actually good advise? If every man is a liar and a sinner as the Bible says, why would you listen to man about what god wants? Why can't god tell us directly what he wants? Why am I forced to listen to men especially if I can pick out the flaws or don't agree with them? That is actually horrible advise. The Bible says not lean on your own understanding, so how can I listen to anyone who should not be leaning on their own understanding?
@@atheistskeptic8748 because that would require less trust.. God wants from people the ultimate form of trust, "faith".. you have heard probably about Jesus Christ.. that's the most direct message of God.. the message of Love shown through sacrifice. Jesus sacrificed his life intentionally to save mankind from their Evil that separates us from God the Holy one. And this separation causes us Death.. Death is separation from Life, from the Giver of life, from God.. Good cannot be mixed with Evil
no one would suffer and die just to testify lies.
Yup...When you become the messenger and forget the message....ironic..
@@sqlblindman So wait a minute, you're saying that scripture is not helpful...
i love how you cross reffernce eachother in your work
Love cross examined. But do we need a preview for videos that are only a few minutes long??
Agreed. I've complained a few times about that but to no avail.
Now I read the headline watch the preview and click away. Saves me time to their disadvantage.
The preview helps!!
It actually gets people interested in watching the full video.
@@JasonGrey23 Not for me, I hate redundant repetition.
The same thing happens on Quora; the question is the headline then the person answering repeats the question at the start of their answer. grrrhh!
True, we shouldn't place people on a pedestal.
I feel like ravi was more focused on the apologist side of things and needed a better spiritual relationship with God
praise the Lord and God bless you
Unfortunately it’s so common in Christianity… One of the worst cases is John MacArthur. People literally lift him up to godlike status. It’s so unscriptural. Makes me very sad!
I used to go to JM's church and almost committed suicide because of how they treated me (Just like Kenneth Nally did when he asked for their help) when I was a confused young man all because my mom and sister had been killed when I was a BABY! I was told that I would go to hell for being angry over that. "Funny" thing is J.M. was the preacher at my mom and sisters funeral and HE KNEW that there would be a little boy who would grow up without his mother...yet he told me 18 years after that "he had never thought about doing a sermon on what a man should do if he never knew his mom." - Makes one wonder why false prophets like this live so long, yet some of hte truly Godly life short lives!
I've found much biblical clarification from both Dr. Gene Kim and Michael Pearl. Both make good sense of the scriptures.
@@JP-ec9rl I think the Dr. Gene Kim is nuts in a lot of areas, however, there are elements of a little truth in everything. The bigger picture though is how is Jesus using a PORTION of that person to personally talk to an individual, not "the body of Christ" as a whole. Example: I had a former friend MENTOR me for nearly 2 DECADES only to turn around, betray me and proceeded to tell me that he NEVER believed a word he was telling me - that he as trying to "fake it, until he made it." However the Lord told me in a personal prophecy I was given by a German missionary that I met in Las Vegas in 2007 with instruction that the Lord gave this missionary, a lady, by the way, saying to her, "Challenge him to keep feasting on and reading the word, for that is the only input that will surly make is life turn around and implement everything that he has been taught." Well, this former mentor, who was also my former boss as a Christian company WAS THE ONLY PERSON that taught me truth about the Lord (except the missionaries too) because the church has always been against me with trying to change who I am, just because I do not fit "the norm." And NOW, I am doing the EXACT same things he did in my life in order to accomplish the promises that God told me that he had in store for me in the prophecy I was given! - Which by the way, I nw see my betrothed written ALL OVER that prophecy and am DOING EXACTLY what was prophecied, "in code," if you will, in order to make it come to pass! The prophecy became to very slowly open up 7 years ago, 7 years after it was given and it is STILL in the works! If only the church would take a step back and be willing to see "the word of God" through "prophecies shall be given in the last day" (U wish I could find the exact verse location in the bible) taking place before their very eyes...they would be BLOWN AWAY, ESPECIALLY if they though outside of the box and realized that SOMETIMES God works thru someone sin to eventually bless them! The reason for that is because of the reason WHY that particular sin ocurred in the 1st place. Sometimes sin is deliberate, and sometimes sin, for example, prostitution takes place because what started it was because of sexual abuse...usually done by someone in the family...like how my MOM put scars between my legs while my Dad was at work.
@@saxmanjpr5092 because it’s better to be with the Lord than it is to live long on this Earth. This world is not our home. Home is Heaven with Jesus. A long life on Earth is a blessing and a testament as a Christian but we know our hope beyond this world is at the Throne of Grace.
@@justingiesy5654 ASWOME! SO commit suicide and get the inevitable over with! ...Then again, apparently doing so is murder and since murder is a sin one will go to hell for that. hhhmmm... OxyMORON! - My sister and mother were MURDERED when I was an infant, and some butthead in the church told me that "I should be gals my mom and sister are dead because they dont have to suffer like my husband is who does not even know who I am the second I step out of the room in this hospital." If it is "better to be with Jesus..." the why the he'll did God allow my GRANDMA to live ONW HUNDRED YEARS, living longer than ANYONE in our family history??? Read Ephesians 6:2 - 3! This seems to imply that it would have been better for my Grandmother to have been a disobedient child, therefore the bible surly must be contradictory. I don't know, you tell me!
I won't judge him, that's God's job. I rather judge myself.. And I'm no better. Irrespective of what Ravi did, his arguments still stand firm. I owe him for getting me out of a lot of bad things and turn my life around in Christ. I still remember his arguments i accidentally saw on youtube.. "Truth by definition is exclusive..and it's not subjective". How quickly my atheist worldview crashed. I still love Ravi. Just feel bad that he couldn't resist..that he couldn't stop. But aren't we all humans? I hope he asked for forgiveness in his last days. I hope to see him in heaven.
If Ravi is innocent, great apologies are DUE
Update Nathan Zacharias
I can tell you that so far I have not seen any questionable/concerning photos in both of the phones I have searched. I also have not found any questionable/concerning correspondence or data. This includes the device they supposedly found the most information.
But what is also of interest is what I did find. The report said Dad had a note in his phone for how to say “a little bit further” in Thai. They (Miller & Martin) presented that information in a way that alleged that his interest in, and use of, the phrase were for illicit/sexual reasons.
Great teaching by Frank Toorak as a Christian I have been wrestling with this 4 months I believe that Ravi Zacharias could not be saved after what he was doing this has just confirmed my beliefs what a terrible shame to have gone down the terribly dark path everyone to pray for Ravi Zacharias wife that poor woman would be just so shocked damaged by all the dishonesty and lies she must feel humiliated
Ive been watching ravi zacharias for years and like everyone ive my own faults in life but can anyone say that ravi zacharias said that he was a celebrity preacher?
Man needs God, it's not the other way around. Humans are faulty because of the fall, and we all have deisres and temptations to face. It's not case of if temptation strikes, it's a case of when it strikes and we are all vulnerable.
Yep. Has been a time or two that I got a reality check and found out I was more vulnerable than my pride was telling me I was.
Man created god!
Well said...to the point
Another fantastic video!
Abraham David Soloman were Great sinners n Disobeyed God big time! ..why still consider them in our teachings & as our leaders in faith then?... same things go with Ravi..if he sinned or not ..He brought many souls to God...God will have mercy...God will judge not Me or you or any Human can judge...God bless Ravi...
We should take Ravi as an example and live for Christ alone
Ravi wasnt a celebrity though.......but yea I get your point...
God is good forever
Frank the king of assertions 🧍🏾♂️
i like what Dr. Turek said about truth. if there is no God Ravi was just living his truth. Skeptics have no rational bases to judge him, all they can offer is feelings and opinion
That's a complete crock of BS. And you know it. Screw you for thinking skeptics cannot rationally come to a system of morals that are commonly shared in order to achieve individual, familial, societal, and international well-being. You people condescending to atheists while worshipping a sexist, pro-slavery, megalomaniac, mass-murdering god the punishes dissent with eternal torment. Here's a clue, look up cognitive dissonance.
@@janetandtiff that's your truth lol, so i don't take your opinion seriously
Speaker killed them all again. This brother speaks like Solomon. GB him.
None of us can judge Ravi Zacharias. I believe he is in Heaven only because of Gods Grace. No one knows the personal struggle he may have had and no one knows how God was dealing with him because of it. He was taken out wasn’t he? Just like God said! Doesn’t mean he is not pardoned does it? Each individual has to deal with sin in their life. It really stinks being a sinner but each one of us are. God help us all starting with me
Its possible He repented during the last few months of his life...especially since He was sick. Its even possible He repented on his death bed.
Anyone praying for Ravi besides me? Lord have mercy on Ravi. The final judgement has not come. Who are any of us to even weigh in on the salvation of any soul. We are explicitly commanded not to do this. We cannot see all ends. We know very little. We see through a dark colored glass. What we do know is that Ravi like all of us needs mercy. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me a sinner.
If you’ll pardon this language…
I was brought up learning that what will bring a shallow man down, will be bash, cash, or gash…
Ephesians 1:13-14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession to the praise of his glory.”
Romans 7:19
King James Version
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
There's a gigantic difference between spiritual gifts and talents in the world. Musical talents such as singing in the church choir are NOT spiritual gifts. Read Galatians 5.
How do we know Ravi died unrepentant.....?
You're making the mistake in assuming you have any authority on either side of the issue or the ability to come to righteous judgement through your own ignorance.
You couldn't hold Ravi accountable for his Sins nor could You punish him for it. That is solely the Right of God.
You should be more concerned with addressing your own Sins daily as You submit to Christ, rather than wondering if a dead man was repentant. You can't Monday morning quarterback Yahweh. Mind your Plank.... It obstructs your ability to see things in the Light of The Lord.
@Mavors Actually, that's exactly what it means. But remember, God is perfectly just. He knows whether any of us is genuinely repentant. Let Him be the judge.
@Mavors that is literally what the Bible preaches that Jesus does, forgives our sins when we don’t deserve it. Hold your life up against the 10 Commandments and then apply your logic to yourself and everybody else in the world, that would mean that because he told us to do something and we didn’t do it we would all be in hell
@Mavors ok so you’re not a Christian, that explains why you don’t understand, that’s why we worship the Lord. He sent his son to be punished for the sin of the world. So that his judgment and wrath would be carried out. That’s why we put our faith in him.
@Mavors So, should God force unbelievers into heaven against their will?
I was just thinking about this.
Wow, what do we know about ravi that we didn't know while he was alive?
My thing is that...We seem to always be sinning, so like...Even after you walk away from the World, and just do your own thing trying your best to not sin, but obviously you will. I cannot drive myself insane over this, so I leave it up to God and Christ and will accept what they believe about me because I would guess that they know me better than I know myself. Trust me, I worry about where imma end up, but I know for a fact that the people who deserve Peace will have it, so I might as well try to be at Peace myself. I mean, God should have craved me to be a vegetable if all this is what I was born into. Not technically fair, but I trust that God has a reason for my creation, even if I rather not have been thought up in the first place
What exactly was the list of crimes and actions that Ravi did? I have not heard the specifics.
A looot of sexual harassment/assault/possibly rape
@@samanimations2002 I heard in a video that there is a public report to read. Does anyone know of a link to read it?
@@zZz-uf3us I think it can be because sexual assault victims, a lot of the time are too afraid to come forward right away. I was one of them. My ex step mom sexually abused me when I was between the ages of 6 & 12, but I did not come forward until I turned 42.There is A LOT of shame that enslaves victims and it is very difficult to break free form that.
@@zZz-uf3us With as many women that have come forward, there is still evidence out there somewhere. The authorities just need to choose to look hard enough instead of "going by the books," like I had happen to me when my house was broken into. If the cops had just LISTENED to me instead of believing everything they were taught....by people that just assume things, they would have been able to catch my burglars because the evidence of what was and was NOT stolen, along with face that my suspects KNEW when I wold be out of town, they would have been in jail. Also in Ravi's case, if the authorities interview all of the accusers separately, whom most did not even know one another and then compares the similarities, they would see by "circumstantial evidence, Jersey that Ravi is guilty. - It is just like how a pastor I once had was removed from his position and when I had made a comment to someone in the church who did not even know me, he said,m "you are not the only one to have said that!" - And B.T.W. the pastor just pubilcally said to the congregation, "I ma taking a 'sabbatical' for a while." That in itself was a LIE and this person refusing to take any personal repsonsibility!
Amen and Amen
The person with the question made a statement which is wrong, calling Ravi a unrepented sinner . We did not know what were his thoughts and relationship with God on the dying bed, maybe he repented in there maybe he didn't.
2:07 hits so hard
Ravi zacharias just taught that believers have to pray for their apostles
What is the definition of a celebrity?
After answering that. what you think of Christ, was he a celebrity?
Danial talks about "Deification of man". We see that with Hollywood, sports, and politicians. When we have the arrogance to think man can play God, evil will prevail.
I hope everyone’s life can stand the scrutiny that they are putting Ravi through. We need to wary of the sin of self righteousness. Personally I haven’t spent a lot of time or energy examining Ravi’s life. I have my own sins to worry about. He was weak in the way we all are weak.
The desire to worship can overtake many. Look at the Israelites in the desert. God brought them through the sea and they still wanted a golden calf to bow down toward.
I know someone who believes 'Good and bad don't exist'. How could I argue against this?
Thanks :)
Take his wallet and ask him if it is "bad" 'wrong" or "evil" that you are taking his wallet.
If he says yes, give him the wallet back and smile.
If he says no, keep the wallet and smile! ; )
If you're talking about morality.
Good and bad, right and wrong are always subjective definitions
Ravi's statements were purely anecdotal; he never quoted scripture.
In the discussions on this forum, believers sometimes tell me, a former believer, that I never was a "real" Christian in the first place, because they personally cannot imagine anyone losing their faith. If Dr. Turek, or anyone else for that matter, is incapable of telling whether Ravi Zacharias was a "real" Christian, then that means that no one is capable of telling who is a "real" Christian or who isn't. So to anyone out there who thinks they are so good and holy that they can tell if the person in the pew next to them on Sunday is a "real" Christian or not, please listen carefully to Dr. Turek, and think of Ravi Zacharias: you don't know, and you *can't* know someone's heart.
Ravi was a master scholar in christian apologetics regardless of what the devil says.
There are women saying otherwise.
@@carolinemcgovern8059 This doesn't even make sense.
@@kryptokn that person probably has no idea what “apologetics” even means.
They probably think Ravi didn’t apologize or something. Lol
@@kryptokn No, a man claiming to be a Christian and allegedly mistreating women doesn't make sense.
@Desire Of All Nations conversely, there are also those who never open the Bible yet pray “Lord, Lord” 24/7 to the wrong Lord.
They’re not saved either. Lol
The great irony is how so many Evangelicals arrogantly judged Charismatics for years and naively thought that the scandals which rocked the Charismatic world could never affect them. It's not that one scandal is worse than the other but RZ's were so blatantly out in the open, one wonders how they could have gone on so long. It reminds us all, regardless of which camp we're in, that there must always be real, meaningful scriptural accountability.
The video title is click bait and quite silly... Frank turek is also a celebrity apologist...
@Marko L1977 😊 in fairness, ravi zacharias said the same thing...
My problem is the way he titled the clip...
No. The real problem is we refuse to forgive Ravi and be christianly to him as we are called to do. MAYBE if we were loving and forgiving as we claim to be, Ravi wouldn't have felt the need to hide his struggles from his brothers and could have come to us for help. Its that judgement, that stoning coming from the questioner that prevents the sinful from pursuing their remedy. Ravi didnt fail us, WE failed Ravi.
All blood runs red. No one is more special than another
He's not in hell. He's dead in his grave. At the return of Christ, he will be resurrected to face judgment.
Yes !!
Ravi became an 'idol' to some. A friend can be your idol. Your wife can be your idol. Justin Bieber is an idol to many young kids. The idol of soccer hooligans are their favorite team
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Cast the first stone ?
Hallelujah
I see you everywhere Dania, God bless you
@@LSofJC Thank you same to you
@@LSofJC Yes wherever the gospel is count me in
Dania Powell amen
Romans 1 is talking about reprobates read in KJV much more clearer..
Does that include you Frank?
I don't buy the scandal around Ravi Zacharias. Too many things don't add up. Maybe I'm naive, but I would advise these celebrities to beware of judging/condemning Ravi on the issues with which he is accused.
You do not know that he took his sin to his grave, he could have repented on his death bed, we don’t know. Just because he didn’t confess or repent to us, doesn’t mean he didn’t do it before God. I pray he did.
Why do you feel you must defend such a scumbag? Plus, there is no hell, so he's not burning.
@@chriseaker Jesus said there is a hell, I’m a follower of Jesus, and I will not call him a liar, therefore there is a hell. He made the place he should know if it exists or not. And I’m just saying don’t assume you know peoples heart, or their last moments.
@Saved By Jesus The Bible also teaches that repentance is required. Google repentance in the Bible, there are lots of verses. But he had to repent to God, not to us.
@Mavors how do you know he’s in hell? Did you see him there? Did he call you or send you a letter? That is an awful final statement that you couldn’t possibly know.
@Saved By Jesus Matthew 24:13 says that those who persevere to the end will be saved. Once saved always saved is not biblical. If you turn your back on God, a.k.a. deny the Holy Spirit, then you are not saved no matter what you used to believe. What a horrible false sense of security to give people.
Lust of flesh
Lust of eyes
Pride of Life
PERIOD
Well, Ravi words were printed on the front of Franks book "I do not have enough faith to be an Atheist". I bet he wish he could edit those copies that went out. The scripture says to know those who you labor with. If Ravi was not a celebrity or put in the work he did, would he had the opportunity to write his thoughts on your book? I just hate to see people judged after the fact. God knows what to do in his situation.
What should a Christian make of what Paul wrote in regards to Ravi? 1 Corinthians 5 : 5 "you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so 'that his spirit may be saved' in the day of the Lord." Does Paul believe that this man is repentant at the time of death?
Paul was writing about those who were alive, not about those who we found out the turret after they kicked the bucket.
God Bless in Jesus Christ Name Amen.
It's very easy to put a blame especially after one's death. It saddens me to know about scandle linked to Ravi Zacharias... But, these character assassination blames on Ravi Zacharias haven't been proved. Because he was a well known person it's very satisfying for people to character assassinate him.
Paul is a celebrity. Our hypocrisy knows no bounds.
exactly 💯
Soooo people die perfect?” Frank is perfect?
I'm weary of how readily evangelical Christians and churches are to embrace celebrities as if having celebrity Christians gives our message more credibility. Why flock to quasi-Christian Internet sensations (Jordan Peterson being a recent example) without at least some proper vetting? And the message this carries is that if you're a celebrity who converts, you don't need to be discipled...