Bathroom Exhaust Fan Replacement Upgrade | No Attic Access
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- Learn the common fan replacement problems and how to fix them when you have no attic access. Everything you need to install a new modern, ultra quiet bathroom exhaust fan. How to avoid common problems you'll find in old houses. What you should know when replacing a bathroom fan DIY. Installing a bathroom exhaust fan, step by step beginners guide. Upgrade to a modern clean cover exhaust fan. Learn how to wire a bathroom fan, install bathroom fan motor properly seal a duct with VHAC tape.
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TimeStamps:
00:00 - 00:20 old vs new fan
00:22 - 1:56 how to remove bathroom fan
02:00 - 0:244 how to move a 3" duct over
2:44 - 2:55 How to connect 3" duct to 4" duct
3:05 - 3:33 How to crimp a reducer or duct
3:36 -5:52 how to install a duct reducer
6:18 - 8:16 how to install bathroom exhaust fan
8:06 - 9:56 how to wire bathroom fan in junction box
9:57 - 10:43 how to install fan motor
11:11 - 11:41 how to install fan cover
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That tip about removing the backing paper from the middle of the aluminum duct tape first to facilitate wrapping the duct is sheer brilliance. Very informative video overall!
Thanks Nat! Great to hear 👍🏽
What a mission I just put a new cover on my old fan and done.
And I’m even cheaper than you. I would take down the cover and spray paint it 😊
@@mrnt1257 wow
I would leave it be.@@mrnt1257
Just installed this exact fan in an old home. Yours went far smoother. Didn’t realize the job could be done without frequent swearing. Your channel should be called “The perfect woman”. Thanks for the lessons.
Thanks John! I can relate older homes have their challenges but you did it.
John, you immature whacko. Rub one out, son.
Lol
Swearing is a normal part of any repair job.
I just say “I’m starting a project. Send away the women and children.” We’re empty nesters so my wife knows not to bother me.😁
I love these type of repair videos -- makes me realize that I need to pay someone to do this as I'm incapable to using power tools safely.
You could do it, man. The drywall can be cut with a jab saw (hand tool). Costs less than 10 bucks.
🤣🤣🤣
Daru, I absolutely loved and appreciated your careful explanations on how to properly install a bathroom ceiling exhaust-fan.
Well done, Daru!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for letting me know Robert. Cheers!
Jobs like this require a lot of patience .Obviously, that's one of your strong points . Not as easy as it looks .
Love your positive attitude when attacking a project. That can do attitude makes the project attainable (and you’re very pretty also)
I love the level of detail here, this is wonderful! I really liked “The Issue” section , because in old houses like mine you always find interesting decisions that mess things up
Love the charm of old houses but you never know what to expect. Appreciate the feedback on the video Stephen. Tip of the hat to my editor Sarah for coming up with that. Thanks!
Two tips for anyone attempting to do this work:
1. get a Studbuddy to find screws holding up the sheetrock. This can help in not tearing the sheetrock for later use
2. use an oscillating tool for cutting the sheetrock
Hi Leticia, Thanks for sharing your tips with us!
Thank you. I searched like a hundred videos before this one. And your video actually explains the step by step process. Your video was very informative and helpful, thank you.
Immaculate work and I'll be definitely be using that middle out tape trick. That being said, some people prefer a louder fan, helps to drown out all those interesting bathroom sounds😀
Good point Gary thanks for mentioning it!
Get a Japanese toilet that plays music. If you really need to, maybe they would program a John Philip Souza march into the toilet.
😂😂
First video I watched after searching and the fan you replaced is identical to the 30 year old one in my house. I learned a lot, great content, thanks.😁
Great tip about hvac tape backing removed from the middle. It will save me extra frustration
Glad it was helpful Eric!
Very realistic video showing it doesnt always go as planed....meaning cutting out more sheetrock than expected adopting vent line and size,having to patch sheetrock, alot of these DIY videos are very misleading to unsuspecting people with little to no experience. I always cringe when I hear the words " all you have to do is..." lol.
I appreciate your perspective. It’s so true. Not all things work out how you want but that is where the learning happens.
i remember watching sportsnet as a child, sometimes through early morning if i woke up at like 4.00am. thank you daru
Great times working in sports. Long nights but worth it. Hope you’re doing well!
@@DaruDhillon cheers. i can see that, perhaps you were not live at 4h though, haha. thank you, i am emigrating to eurasia, obstacles are there, but i suppose i am overcoming them. perhaps thats my sports interview version of the story, haha. warmly appreciated, thank you again. good days to you.
I just thought I needed to change the fan in my bathroom and here is the "how-to". CZcams was hearing my thoughts, I have not mentioned this to anyone or even looked up tutorials. ☺
Glad you found this video. CZcams is great for that. That’s next level algorithm working for you. Cheers!
Good job! I think I would have just spray painted the old one white. Haha.
You and me both! Good idea!
thank u, your video helped me to remove my 30 yo fan and upgraded a new one.
Awesome. So glad you found it helpful and did it yourself! ❤️
I watched this out of curiosity and I now know how to install a bathroom fan in the future! Thanks!
Love this Kayden thanks! Curiosity is one of the best qualities to have!
Super simple 3 days of work with drywall repair repainting and a couple hundred dollars of tools. Super easy
Most replacements are straight forward and simple. My hope is there’s an opportunity to learn from this and to troubleshoot. 👍🏽
I AM SPEECHLESS!!!! TRULY!! I LOVE IT HERE
I love that you’re here too, welcome! If you need a hand I’m here. You got it!
Thank you for your video! I replaced our bathroom fan using your video as a guide! Came out perfect! Thank you!
Glad it helped!
I’ve been putting off replacing ours for a long time. Thank you for the video. Glad yours wasn’t straight forward. Certain our 60 year old version won’t be.
Good luck with your installation Johnlee! Here’s hoping you have a straightforward install. Thanks for watching 👍🏽
Nice job on the vent fan replacement. Great video! The world needs more women like you!
Thanks Bob that’s so nice to hear! There’s so many good people out there, I’m grateful for that! 💕
I’m the person that would definitely hire you to do this for me. I’m horrible and clumsy with tools. Hahaha 😂
Anytime Sage! 👍🏽
Wow. Nicely done. Beautiful result.
Thanks J.W. Love it too!
Great video! Like the poster before me said, removing the backing from the middle of the aluminum tape is a great tip. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! 👍🏽
*Great clean install , great work . Its definitely worth doing if it has better performance than the older models. I know sometimes after a hot shower that too much steam damages the sheet rock after a while*
Fantastic, clear instructions. Thank you .
Thank you kindly Mama J. 💕
Nicely done! You covered a lot of details that others gloss over. Thanks!
Thanks Rich! I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. Cheers!
I have been putting off this job for too long, we have a weak fan in our laundry room. Can't wait to start the project soon, thank you for the clear and simple instruction. Cheers.
Hi Ryan, thanks so much! Good luck with your project I hope it's a straight forward one. You got this!
loved your video. I have been afraid to do this to my upstairs bathroom but now I will give it a try
Good luck Angelo 👍🏽
Great job and step by step install instructions.
This tutorial has been most helpful. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Lex! Hope your DIY goes well! 👍🏽
Your work is as nice and beautiful as yourself. I do have learned a lot from it. Thank you, Ma'am.
So nice of you Meritocracy!
Great Information. I need to replace my Old noisy Bathroom Fan this weekend 😉.
Thanks. You got this! :)
Love the details and tips! thank you.
That was very good.
It involved a lot of steps, but worth it in the end.
Glad you think so!
Timely! I removed one today and it was just vented into the attic. Fortunately I did not see any mold. Tomorrow I have to make the opening big enough so I can get up there and run 12’ of semi flexible to the outside wall! So much for easy!
I hope your installation goes smoothly! Give yourself a pat on the back for fixing the issue and making your home healthy. That’s important!
If you live in a region that gets below-freezing temps, buy the flexible insulated duct line. Otherwise, cold winter air in your attic condenses on your warm duct and creates dripping water on your ceiling drywall.
You gave great details. I felt like your apprentice 😂! You got a new subscriber
Thanks for the sub! I could use an apprentice. You’re hired! 🙌🏽
Cool - now do the heater, fan and light replacement in an older home. :)
Just did my first one last week. Old fan was just loud and not enough power. Took about an hour, not too tough. I was dreading doing it though for a few days.
Awesome Bart! That’s great that you did it on your own. 👏🏽
Love the instruction. 👍🏼
Hate when special tools are required. 😩
Thanks so much! True. An older home like this is can be more work than a newer one.
I've got good news for you, Kneel: The cut in the drywall can be made with a jab saw (about 10 bucks). The fan housing could be removed with a handheld screwdriver in the unlikely event nobody will lend you a battery-powered drill. The 4-to-3 reducer comes pre-crimped at Home Depot so you don't need that highly specialized crimping tool. The HVAC tape is about 10 bucks a roll. The wires are presumably already stripped so you don't likely need a wire stripper but you can get one for under $20 at HD. And those Wago Wire Nuts sell for a buck or two each and you only need 2: one for the hot (black) wires and one for the neutral (white) wires. They click shut. No tool required. A 6-inch drywall taping knife is under $20. A small container of pre-mixed drywall compound maybe $20 and some fiberglass mesh drywall seam tape maybe $10. That whole project should cost you about $100 in tools and materials (not counting the fan itself) and you're saving hundreds on a contractor to install it. And I bet if you ask a buddy he owns most of those tools already.
The older ones are built to last, you could just chemically clean the plastic intake cover and save alot of money and keep a quality working product. Newer is now usually worse than what you have already
Those are great suggestions and true. The original fan was at least 30 years old. It stopped working. I agree that if something is working it’s doing its job. Grateful for that.
Love this! Just what I needed!! Ty. Love those Milwaukee tools too
Hey Steve, thanks! They’ve been great, love them too 💪🏽
@@DaruDhillon how is that unit performing? I do like the cover as well. I've been looking at the Panasonic whisper models
@@sgirl1822 I was actually surprised how good it is. I haven’t tried the larger CFM versions but I’ll definitely be using it again. The reviews are strong on Amazon too last time I checked. The fan cover looks more high end too which is a bonus.
Impressive knowledge and presentation. Liked and subscribed, Thanks !
Thanks for subscribing! Hope your project goes well. 👍🏽
Great video! Was definitely helpful for the fan replacement I did over the weekend. Thank you! The Nutone brand fan I bought here in VA has a 3" vent, so at least I saved about $15 by not having to buy a reducer 😆
Glad it helped! That’s a perfect solution that you found on your own. Awesome job!
@@DaruDhillon all credit goes your way, really! The only snag I ran into was I needed to buy some flexible duct to attach it to the rigid duct that was already there. Applying HVAC tape to all the connections was a challenge, but I got it done. Also had to cut an investigatory hole in the ceiling, but that's to be expected. Great feeling replacing that 40 year old fan!
@@timf5963 that’s a great feeling! Those holes in drywall can’t be helped. I know how it is. 👏🏽👏🏽
I watched a video an hour or so ago where a guy installed an exhaust fan in his bathroom and it had bluetooth and color changing capabilities. It was close to $300 but was really cool. I know you can get fans for about $50 that have the basic needs met, but if I could budget for that bluetooth one that would be the ultimate in exhaust fans!
That would be amazing! There is some cool tech out there. I’m on a budget 😎
@@DaruDhillon I'm on a budget as well, I will be building this one paycheck at a time, but I've decided that since I won't be buying a new bathtub/shower, and won't be buying new cabinets I can afford to splurge and go over the top every once in awhile..LOL and since I haven't been able to feel safe in my own bathtub (without fear of falling thru the floor) for several years now, I think I'll be making that new bathroom my little heavenly oasis! I already have over 100 glass blocks that I want to use for a partician and I want to find an old makeup dresser like my Grandma had, to put into the bathroom... So this quiet, Bluetooth color changing bathroom fan will be the icing on the cake. *I just checked on that Bluetooth exhaust fan and it's $199.00 not $299.00 so that's even better!* It's the Broan Nu-Tone. Check it out. You could probably find it cheaper somewhere else other than Home Depot.
@@WhispersFromTheDark sounds like you have everything in good hands. Good luck with your project. I’m sure it will be great! Thanks for the suggestion. Sounds wonderful!
We usually afraid of cutting the drywall thanks for the tips
My pleasure. Drywall is one of the easier things to fix in a house just takes a little practice. Definitely a good skill to learn. Give it a try sometime!
Or order a fan with 3 inch duct if that's what you have
@@chupie123456 that’s a good option 👍🏽
good video... I would dearly love to replace my fans with quiet ones. hopefully they don't need cutting to fit!
Same here! Good luck Ukepa.
WOW you do good work keep us up too date with your work love your videos.😂😉
Working on it now. Thanks for the support!
great work. clean job.
Thank-you kindly Arda!
Very well presented.
Thank you kindly Bob! Always love to hear from you. 👋🏽
very educative. Thank you regards
Glad you liked it!
A lady of many talents. Fan-tastic fan! 👌
Thanks Chris! I appreciate it.
@@DaruDhillon No problem. That looks like a great upgrade. We generally have different kinds of fans here in the U.K. but I'm fascinated by the ones you have in the U.S.
@@chrisbate9956 I’m fascinated with UK electrical and love to visit! I’m in Canada
@@DaruDhillon Cool! I stopped off in Canada on our flight back from Florida! A bit of a contrast, but I wanted to stay and explore it further. They lost me because I actually started to wander in the terminal and we had to get back on the flight! I think it was Newfoundland.
Reminded me of movie Apollo 13 when NASA had to make a c02 filter so they could breath. 😂😂. That’s a lot work girl.
Thanks Mark, that's a good comparison! 🤣
Love your hair !!
Thanks!
Very nice job! Does look more expensive.
Thanks, I appreciate that and think so too!
Lot work to do that fan good work really appreciate video 🧨
My pleasure. I’m happy it helped you out!
Awesome vid! Been thinking about replacing the ones at my parents home. Thank you Daru!
Anytime! Love that you are looking out for your parents!
Great info. Thank you
Good to hear. All the best to you!
I have been thinking about changing my bathroom vent, stumbled on to this great video, super discriptive with awesome tips. Subscribed and thumbs up.
Awesome! Thank you!
Same! I was dusting/vacuuming and accidentally bumped one and I realized how old and frail it’s time to replace. I had no idea it would be so much work to do it! I changed out all my light fixtures recently but thought that would be easier! I have the same exact vent that was the old one in this video so I’m sure I’ll be doing everything you did. I’m ok with that.c just hoping it would have been a quick pop off and pop new one on. 😩
A big concern about using reducers. You can still buy "economy" but quiet 3 inch fans that are usually about 50 cfm. The 4 inch are usually about 90 cfm. HOWEVER, the cross section area of a 3 inch pipe is 9/16 that of a 4 inch. Therefore, your new 4 inch fan will not be able to push 90 cfm into a 3 inch duct. At best it means you wasted your money, and at worst, you could burn out the fan motor because it cannot run at full speed. If you must have a greater flow, buy a couple feet of 4 inch duct with your new fan and replace the whole length. Also saves you the work of patching and painting the ceiling. I believe in staying with 50 cfm, especially with difficult attic access, because 90 cfm units require that much more outside replacement air flow from some door or window.
Appreciate your perspective and tips. Ideally it's best to go with a 4" line in this case.
That is a perfect example of my next project at my house. Question: assuming there is attic access to the ductwork, would it be easier to do the cutting and crimping and connecting while in the attic? Thank you again for an informative and useful video. I'm learning a lot from you!
Hi Eric, on most fan installations you wouldn't have to crimp the ducting. My situation was a little more involved. Most ducting can be connected simply if it's all the same size. I hope yours is.
I certainly wouldn’t want to crawl around in the attic with the low ceiling and exposed insulation. Even patching extra drywall is easier unless yours is really big and accessible.
Nice job, enjoyed your video
Glad you enjoyed it
excellent video
Thanks so much Dilip 👍🏽
Great job!
Thank you Mitchell! Cheers!
Hi there! This is so helpful!! Do you have a video on how you fixed the drywall in the ceiling? Thank you!!
Hi! Thanks for asking. This should help you out: How to Patch a Hole in the Ceiling | The Best Ceiling Hole Patch Is...
czcams.com/video/R7ILT22gAJc/video.html
Good on you for building your skills!
Very good skills. I'm doing this myself. My question is; wouldn't it just be a lot less work and cost to just replace the motor?
Yes. You could replace the motor. Easy for you to do. I wanted to install this fan because I think it’s great value, style and efficiency. Thanks, Todd! Good question.
Kudos to you for DIY. For future reference, it seems to me like you could of just moved the fan over to match the existing vent hose and just patched the void instead of doing all the extra cutting and patching.
That was the idea but the existing vent couldn’t move. It was spray foamed into the end wall.
I wanna hire her to install exhaust fan in every room in my house.
My hat is off to you. You rock!
Thanks Yong! You rock too for taking time to let me know! Always appreciated :)
Nice work.
Thanks Jorge! Hope you're well :)
New subscriber here. Very nice presentation! I also want to add that you are gorgeous!
Welcome Louis! Thanks!!
I live in a condo that was built in 1982. I think my bathroom exhaust fan is getting due to be replaced. I'll probably need a reducer too. My drywall patching on walls hasn't been very good although that might be attributed to using products that come in a plastic tub.
A few tips I’ve learned for drywall patching over the years:
1. Buy a roll of fiberglass tape and a plastic bucket of drywall compound, plus a good drywall knife twice as wide as the tape. The right material makes all the difference and is there for your next project.
2. Cut and remove the old drywall as clean as possible. If necessary, add some 2x4 blocking to the ceiling joists to screw the drywall to the ceiling.
3. When you get a clean opening, and dry fit a piece drywall to fill the hole, mark and offset slightly wider than half the tape. Use a really sharp knife to cut the drywall just as deep as the paper face, and remove the paper from the existing drywall and the patch.
4. Use the tape to bridge the gap.
Screw through the tape then add another piece of tape on top. Because the drywall paper has been removed, you should still be below the surface of the drywall.
5. Work the drywall compound by smearing it in a tray, or even just the bucket, many times to make it as creamy smooth as possible. Apply at least two coats. Focus on pressing the compound into any voids on the first coat. While it dries, sprinkle a little water on the unused compound, close the lid and clean the tools. Go through the same process for the second and probably third coat focusing on getting level, then smooth. Use the surface of the drywall as a guide for the smooth surface. If the compound starts to ravel, make sure the drywall knife is relatively flat (less than 45), and possibly spritz a little water.
6. Before closing the compound, spray some water. It will help to keep it from drying out for the next time.
7. Sand smooth and paint.
This video is wonderful and very detailed. I have purchased a few different exhaust fans, including this one but I have run into some challenges. The bracket is not fitting due to a pvc pipe that is in the way of where the casing would screw into. I did find another exhaust fan that has securing tabs that I could bend over the drywall that would work, however the housing is smaller than the hole from my previous exhaust fan. I think the best option would be to drywall to make the hole smaller, but I assume it would be best to make a larger hole and put new drywall up and then cut a new smaller hole. Any suggestion?
Thanks Lynn, that's great. I love that you are doing your own projects. It's really inspiring! For drywall repair you can make the hole a little larger or fix it as is. For a repair like that I'd cut the drywall to fit and install backing strips in behind the repair to prevent movement. This video will show you how to repair a ceiling and everything you should need to repair a drywall ceiling: czcams.com/video/R7ILT22gAJc/video.html If you have a question. I'm here. Keep up the good work!
Great informative video……thx
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
There are a lot of DIYs I will do but if they involve drywall I hire somebody. My drywall works sucks.
When someone else does it they don’t get paid until I am satisfied and the work is warranted.
Key to any project is to know what you are good at and what you are not.
That is very important!
I wonder how much it would cost to get a pro to do this work . ? Thank You for the excellent videos . 🇨🇦
Wow, I think I can do this. Thank you
Love the spirit Christine! Give it a try. You got this
Thank you, very helpful! I’m hoping I can just u plug the motor & replace since it’s not working.
Give it a try! I hope it goes smoothly for you.
You just got a new subscriber!
You’re awesome!
@@DaruDhillon and SO you 👍
Great video! I've been meaning to change out the standard builder installed vents for a while. One question, when did the 4" vent become code?
That’s a great question Robert. I don’t know the answer but if someone does please share your knowledge. Thanks!
Good job
Hi Michael, thanks!
I wish I could do drywall repairs! Cutting the drywall is what keeps me from upgrading my exhaust fans.
Every drywall repair that’s been done (by pros) in other parts of my home have cracked/failed 3-4 months later.
I’m sorry to hear that you’ve had to deal with that problem. If you ever want to learn I have several drywall videos that can help you out. It’s pretty simple like icing a cake. You can use backing, like me…or make sure the repairs are done like that. I hope it works out for you! How to Patch a Hole in the Ceiling | The Best Ceiling Hole Patch Is...
czcams.com/video/R7ILT22gAJc/video.html
AWEsome, now i'll go spend Mo' Money. I do Need a Quiet fan... Thanx!!
I am waiting for the industry to smarten up. For odor ejection, we need to think like the stovetops that have an exhaust right beside the burner, so that you do not fill the whole kitchen with odors and change out all the kitchen air. Houses should be built with these units beside the toilet, and they should be turned on while you are sitting. No spreading of odor thru the room and venting all that valuable heat outside.
Interesting...are you saying that you stink up the room when you go potty? Phew !!!!!!
Thanks for the tips!
good job. thank yo
Thanks, good to hear from you! 👍🏽
thanks for this tutorial video! How long would it take you to do this project if you are not filming?
This fan was firmly secured so it took a few hours. Plus drywall dry time.
Bought a new exhaust fan about 6 weeks ago, the old one was seized. When I realized the new one wasn't a direct replacement and my old fat ass wouldn't fit in the crawl space to the attic I grabbed some aerokroil and lubed the motor and cleaned everything up and reinstalled, works like new and if it lasts until spring I'll figure it out then.
Smart man! Love your in moment solution. Thanks for sharing!
great job
Thanks Alvaro!
Dr. Dhillon, that was a nice surgery~!
My grandmother always wanted a doctor. That’s the best I can do!
@@DaruDhillon Wonderful~! You are definitely a doctor in what you do!
@@andylau7268 Thanks Andy! 😊
Been there done that. Save the sheet rock cutting and patchwork if you have access to the attic.
That would be awesome! I had two floors above me. Drywall is a part of my life. 🤍
Thank you for the video. This job is not complete if the vent line is not tracked down. You do not know where the venting goes to (is it vented out of the roof or just dumps into the attic which leads to all sorts of issues) or if the venting is blocked or crushed. If the status of the venting is unknown a new vent path should be run (typically out of the side of the bathroom if possible. Build a small soffit to place the fan and venting within.
This fan is vented through the exterior wall. You can see the 3ft of ductwork in the ceiling when it’s open. To check use your phone and record a video of it to confirm. It is indeed essential to exhaust it outdoors. Thanks!
The bathroom exhaust fan model that you removed was made by Fasco.
Good eye! You know your motors!
Thank you! Just one question: where to get a reducer?
I picked it up at my local hardware store. Big box ones should have them. Thanks
Good Job
Thanks
Thanks Conrad! Cheers
Dara, thanks for this video. I purchased the same unit and have installed in our home where another fan was failing . Because of the length of the existing Romex, I installed a Jbox in the ceiling to make up the electrical connection. The space for the connection inside the unit is really tight - not a great design. For that reason I would not buy another of this model. The unit is very quiet as you indicated .
It’s great that you installed it yourself. Well done! Thanks for sharing your experience too. It’s always helpful!
Great video but it would have been nice to see how you repaired the drywall you cut out. Did you use the same piece you cut out?
Hi, I did reuse the same piece of drywall and added backing. Lots of tips + tricks to patching ceilings. Drywall deserves its own video: How to Patch a Hole in the Ceiling | The Best Ceiling Hole Patch Is...
czcams.com/video/R7ILT22gAJc/video.html
Does it heat too?