Reverse Engineering from a 3D Scan with Fusion360... for FREE!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
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00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Scanning
01:50 - What's the goal and simplifying
04:00 - GOM Inspect and aligning to a coordinate system
06:06 - Import into Fusion360
07:56 - Setting an axis - "the process"
12:20 - Revolving the drive flange
15:49 - Using constraints and measurements in the sketch
18:26 - Modeling the steering arm
26:11 - Modelling everything else
27:30 - Summary - Auta a dopravní prostředky
If you want any of this process in greater detail then drop a comment!
Edit - If you want to try giving this a go yourself, you'll find the original, as scanned and unmodified.
drive.google.com/file/d/133knuEKVOvMD04maus9jEsJ2tmPwSmPK/view?usp=sharing
Any and all of it in detail would be awesome.
What was the magic wand you used at the start? Where to buy, how much etc. I can handle the CAD part of it, designing brake brackets and other features, but the easiest thing for me to do is simply have bosses floating in 3D with no visualisation of the casting
@@rossmarzano it’s a Creality CR-scan Lizard 3D scanner. Available everywhere it think for about 4-500dollars? It’s a great tool for the money, but the consumer market is growing for these and RevoPoint do a load of different ones with different specialisations, but all of these are consumer end and imperfect. The proper scanners are Pro items and cost thousands.
You’re dead right, all I really need for this part are the interaction points (bolt holes/machines faces) but for reasons that’ll be obvious in the next videos I wanted a full model of this part….
What?? All of them???😂
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It starts with flowers….. 😂😂😂
Honey, we need this car for the purpose of teaching us all defensive driving.
It's important that you follow my lead and I will make sure that I won't use the car for worldly pleasures.
Need one too
This is so on point
Give the flowers and the shiny gold thing with the shiny stones to her while wearing Mens lingerie.
Thank you sooo much for what you do for the car community!! Been following you since the channel started you really make great content man! :)
Love your straight-to-the-point no BS approach to CZcams. Most underrated channel in my feed 🙂
Thank you for your candor and references on where you learned. I love creators not afraid to point others to other channels in the name of knowledge. Great video btw. I am try to decide what CAD to learn and fusion 360 is looking better and better.
This is incredibly detailed and helpful. Thanks for all the helpful information!
Great hands-on and full of context why and how showcase of how to remodel the 3d scanned part! Thank you :)
Love all the videos! Thanks for walking us through fusion 360 and teaching us something new every time.
No problems Peter, I enjoy making them!
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video. I have been trying to blindly figure out a (free or inexpensive) workflow that accomplishes what you’ve shown here with not much luck. This will enable me to tackle some more difficult projects in the future, for sure.
Thank you for watching, comments like this keep me making the videos! Best of luck with your projects!
The first like and subscribe I dropped in a long time. I appreciate how you care about your viewers' time (and attention), and "fast forward" over the repetitive parts yet still provide a reasonably detailed summary.
Thanks Peter, in retrospect the video is probably still 10mins too long but I always hear that CAD how tos go through things too fast… hopefully this was nearer the right balance
Mate you're a LEGEND! I've struggled with meshes for a few years in fusion and discovered the mesh section sketch, but what I was missing was the fit curves to mesh section function.
Thank you so much for this. You've utterly transformed my workflow
Nice!! I had a similar break though when I found the function! Happy modelling!
Wow, this is absolutely marvelous, congratulations!
Really nice to see your workflow! Thanks for this!
Cheers bud, it may not be the best one out there but it works very well for me 👍
This was great, super useful technique and nicely explained.
you did a great job of simply explaining what you were doing. thanks
We run a budget endurance race car in the US and this channel is excellent! Thank you!
Oh yeah, love me abit of 24hrs of LeMons! Glad your enjoying it!
Flipping amazing! Please please please keep on it and keep making brilliant content. Love all your 3D design/ model/ print stuff literally made me subscribe
Cheers dude, glad you are enjoying it… had to have a bit of a break this summer but I am back on it now!
Winters coming up so time to get comfy in doors!
Awesome content! Will keep following more videos!
This was absolutely amazing to watch! Makes me want to explore fusion 360 more!!! Very inspiring!
Get stuck in! It’s freeeeeeeee, so nothing to lose!
very helpful tutorial, the complexity of that part was a bit intimidating but the way that you broke it down made sense to my 2D AutoCAD brain
I just came across your video today. AMAZING mate!!!! You were so clear and methodical about your approach to build the parametric part from a mesh (scanned) part. An approach that I have used in the past with great success. I'm glad that you put this video on CZcams for everyone to see how easy it is to do in Fusion 360. I cannot stress how great this tool is, and easy to learn.
You did an amazing job with this video mate! Cheers to you.
Cheers bud, that’s the feedback I like! I was worried it was over long and whilst it is probably, I think most CAD videos can be too fast so the step by step process, slow enough to follow can really help I think…
This content is chronically underrated. Thank you
Cheers bud… glad you like it!
That mesh section tool is brilliant, thanks!
That and fitting curves to section sketch are the keys to the kingdom… makes me wonder why it took me 28mins to explain it! 😂
What a great video, top shelf!
You are doing amazing work !
You are amazing, literally exactly the same application im needing this for.
I simply love fusion360. Its so incredibly intuitive and clean. My dream is to one day get myself a 3D scanner to scan pipework-projects in industrial environments. I've been using tape-measures, levels, plumbobs and lasers for years and in my opinion that's really old fashioned, slow, tedious and imprecise. Loads of measuring errors and you need to go take new measures over and over and still you may miss some minor details, like weird angles or other small deviation. Scanning the whole thing would make it Super Simple to take all the measurements and design your own pipe right in the middle of the old mess you find in old factories, that I usually work in.
Thanks for the informative Video!
Hey... that is a really good video! Thanks for your work. Good Job!👍
You can export the features generated in GOM as a separate IGS file with the same alignment as the exported mesh. That way, you can use the averaging functions to make planes and feature references in GOM and use them in fusion.
I’m gonna be using that for future videos, it’s dead useful. When I did that for this, I ended up with loads of faces, that all should’ve been parallel and have been machined in one op, in XZ for example, which then weren’t quite parallel as they were all fit to the inconsistencies of the scanned mesh.
I have been looking in GOM to use fitted planes for an offset plane from the global Co-ord system but no luck yet!
@@MakingforMotorsport Yeah, it's messy quick. You might want to give it another go though. If you have a best plane of reference, make a line normal to the plane and constrain any offset planes as normal to that line. I use that a lot for things like bores normal to a face.
@@kylelammie4621 are you doing all that in GOM?? With normal line and constraining? Looks like I need to practise!
Nice one! Here from CZcams recommended. I work with Solidworks on a daily basis and have used Geomagic for doing stuff like this. Didn't know Fusion had this function to fit sketches on a mesh section. Thats amazing and a gamechanger for people that don't have the money for software like Geomagic, etc. Crazy what you can do with free soft nowadays.
I have only briefly played with Geomagic, not enough to get up the learning curve but I know it’s the standard for this kind of stuff…
If F360 had fit planes and bores then I’d be done!!!
Fantastic presentation! Looking forward to using these techniques. Thanks.... Mike
Thanks Mike 👍
I have been picking my way through the process of converting scanned meshes into parametric models over the last few weeks. Many thanks for sharing as there are some new methods here that I haven't seen before, just setting up that first axis is way better than my current 'guestimate' method!
That method works well because it’s already aligned well to the coordinate system…. without that you’re chasing you tail….
There’s plenty I still didn’t cover like “plane from 3points”…
Thank you so much for the shout out!!! Love your content and always happy to help. If you ever need anything please let me know!
This is absolutely brilliant and has given me skills that will be really useful. Thanks a lot👍
This is some great content. Keep it up.
Love your channel, thanks for creating such great content!
My pleasure! Glad you found it useful!
Not only is the technique impressive, but the teaching as well! Having a nice professor/instructor is so important for the development of the reverse engineering workflow
Cheers bud… I try to make it simple and step by step, but often that means really long videos…😂
Incredibly useful content. Keep it up.
Cheers buddy, if this is what I think it is this my first SuperTip! Big thanks!
Your tutorial is very good. I had been looking for content like this for some time. I was lucky to find your channel. Thank you very much for sharing and good luck on your channel!
Glad it was helpful!
Yeah we’re gonna need more of this! Ace keep it up
Cheers bud, got a few more of these type of stuff planned…
@@MakingforMotorsport looking forward to it mate !
Hell yeah, subscribed!
This video is amazing. Helped immensely with reverse engineering from 3D scans.
No problem!
Changed my world! So glad I stumbled upon this video! Haha, have always overlooked the create mesh section sketch button
Glad to be of service! 👍
Thanks in a million! Very well explained. This is the nth time that I am watching this again. Great content. Awesome. I couldn't find this explanation--simply put anywhere else. “Great teachers are hard to find”. Grade: A++ 💥
Cheers bud, that’s great feedback to get! Glad it’s made the difference for you
So good! Many thanks.
As a Fusion 360 user and a hobby car enthusiast, thanks for introducing me to some new tools and techniques. My Sunbeam Tiger and Datsun 510 will appreciate some upgrades I can't begin to farm out.
That’s why I am here! Glad to hear it’s working for you!
no worries, quality work (even computer aided) takes time. 👍 first started using Autocad on DOS release 10 (puck and tablet) circa 1988, so off and on with the various releases for the last 34 years and TIME has remained the one constant as each iteration added more features and got more powerful.
I was literally trying to figure out how to do this last night, then boom, this video gets uploaded this morning. Subscribed to follow for more 🤙
Plenty more coming… lots of 3D scanning, designing and modelling in coming months…. Thanks for the sub!
Creative video, thanks for sharing :)
Thank you for your very good oxford english. For us germans it is a benefit to listen to you.
Thank you, I’m glad you can understand me!!!
This video is brilliant!
fantastic video, thank you very much
This is an awesome video at just the right time where I was explaining to a client that 3D scanning isn't what the media portrays it as. They always leave out the last...80% of this video, and people expect that you just point a camera at a thing and poof, you've got a 3D model that's perfect to use in an engineering application.
Precisely! I’ll be honest, when I came into it I was surprised at the gap, and it is frustrating as most people on YT are professionals using pro-kit and software like DesignX.
The other bit everyone is bothered about is resolution. I am planning an engine swap this winter and I will fully model it beforehand and I intend to show people what they think is important, isn’t.
Should be fun! 👍
Great topic, thanks 👍
Got my subscription. Saves me time searching for what I needed. Thank You for Sharing, never know who it helps.
Cheers bud, if I find it useful, I just put it out there!
Great straight forward video. Now it is time to model a rear tail wing for the Compact. Can’t wait.
They all go together! 👍
What a cool video packed with knowledge and tips! Thanks so much for posting this and all the advice and leads to more videos. Very cool stuff, subscribed and looking forward to more content. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
It's amazing how far scanning tech and meshing software has come. I saw a racing forum post long before the dawn of CZcams using just a crude scan of points to copy a race car's geometry. Call it cheating but they won the racing event outright.
It can still be limited, some scanners struggle with daylight and others need a power socket, and up until the last two years it’s needed thousands of dollars to get hold of one.
But if you pick the right one and understand your usage case, it can be very effective!
Good video, worth noting that F360 mesh environment only graduated from a preview feature in July 2021 - if you tried anything in mesh environment prior to this with big scan data you probably hit the limit of what F360 could do before it ran out of memory even if you reduced your mesh to a tiny file. Lesson learnt and only after id coughed up a full year's subscription and had to wait 4 months for this feature to roll out. Do your homework people before purchasing something that others are raving about online. F360 is the jack of all trades and master of none.
Excellent stuff.
fantastic! Thanks for showing this!
You’re welcome, hope it helped!
I'm actually designing my own intake manifold now with injector bungs. I have a little experience with cad from college and little projects but I've forgot most of it. The revolve feature and especially the offset plane feature are game changes for me. I spent so much time with lines and angles to get things where I want them...
NIce! thanks for sharing.
Greetings While still a student, I participated in a scientific conference, where my work was just about 3D models and car parts.I wrote a paper on how you can use 3D models for teaching, designing and making models, now looking at such videos I just admire.
Very helpful..thanks a lot.
Ima download it thanks for sharing!!
Have fun… as I said.. practise practise practise… (and watch it through every time 😂)
this is good info and great timing as I'm working on making fog light bezels for my 22 wrx in order to jam some big old rally lights in there scanned it up with my xbox 360 kinect and am printing out the first test parts for fitment before really diving in deep
Nice!! I loved the original Impreza with the big spot lamps in the bumper! Nice work bud!
Brilliant! And way faster than modelling it from scratch with taking measurements. This might take ages but compared to starting from scratch it's nothing.
Thanks for sharing, you are the boss
you're one talented guy!
The final product looks really excellent.
I did the same project over two years ago, For a MR2 to 4 piston skyline caliper conversion.
I used photogrammetry, Zbrush and Fusion360.
Taking all the measurements as datum points is the most important stage.
Id love to own a 3d scanner, but photogrammetry done right is crazy accurate.
I always look forward to your videos.
: )
Photogrammetry is very accurate and something I definitely want to have another go at, but I’m never gonna have the space for a full rig (from what I’ve seen)…. The good bit about the scanner is the flexibility…
What software do you use for photogrammetry?
@@MakingforMotorsport It's not about software you use for photogrammetry. It's about the hardware. Any NVidia GPU (10 series and above), plus a decent DSLR and Meshroom will get you insanely good results. Meshroom has a database of image sensor sizes for various DSLRs, and so helps correct distortion. The NVidia GPU lets you use CUDA cores to do the processing - so high resolution, clear images from a good DSLR and a powerful GPU is all you need. You can also do it with less powerful GPUs, but it's slower. You don't need space for "A full rig"...whatever that is. You just use a camera.
@@MakingforMotorsport Software is absolutely important! A lot of them use CUDA, so you'll need the NVidia GPUs as said above, but I've tried many options and currently the one outdoing everyone in both quality and performance is Reality Capture, recently bought out by Epic (but you don't need an Epic account to use it, you need a Reality Capture account).
As for a rig, all you need is a good camera (SLR outdoes cellphones by a wide margin), good lighting (soft, no black shadows), no surface reflections (just like the other scanners) and a good support for your model that doesn't get in the way.
The downside is you can't see how you're doing while you're taking pictures, so you might find something is too dark, reflects or you didn't take the pictures properly (out of focus, under/over exposed, etc) hours after you're done. If anything changed (you bumped on the support and it shifted slightly or the light moved), you'll have to take the entire photo series again.
Also, expect hours of processing. The results can be impressive though, and cheap.
Thanks for this super tutorial!
I'm not into motorsports but this tutorial was very interesting and well done. I appreciate the time and extreme effort you took to make this vid. I'm subbing!
Not into motorsports??!??!!!! 😂😂😂
Well if you are into fabrication, electronics, CAD, 3D printing and scanning then we have plenty of middle ground! 👍
Looking forward to all the vids
Always pumped for a new vid from MFM. 😆
Always pumped to get one finished! 😂
Well done mate, great video+explanation+presentation! Thank you for sharing - NEW SUB 🙏🏻
Thanks for the sub!
This was superb, thanks!
You’re welcome, hope it was useful!
Worked , thanks a lot!
Excellent Tutorial, I enjoyed your technique to convert to a CAD Model.
Cheers buddy, thanks for watching!
Really helpful. Thank you.
Thought I was watching carwow for a moment. Your tone, pitch and delivery is just like the other fellas.
That's actually very useful. This is exactly what I want to do.
Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, thanks!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
Hi , chap ! You're brillintly bloody insane pal ! Thousands cordal thanks & subscription ! Keep it up !
This is perfect! Thanks
Glad you like it!
Awesome video. Thanks for the tips.
Cheers AJ, I’ve seen you playing with your scanner on the FB group… good stuff! 👍
@@MakingforMotorsport thanks. I love that thing. Just did a scan of my headlight and modeled a duct into it to send air to my turbos today.
@@ajhartmanaero but what material to make the duct out of?? 🤔🤔🤔
Need to get my Carbon game on…
@@MakingforMotorsport it’s only at the headlight and will see mostly ambient temps so gonna try PLA. I have petg and asa on hand as well but haven’t played with them much yet. I modified my cr10s so I’ve been printing quite a bit of carbon/nylon on that but is a bit pricey.
This is the future I'm excited for!
The future is now!!! 👌
That's brilliant mate thanks!
You’re welcome bud!
Smooth and fill holes in GOM. You can also create cylinders and planes on surfaces and section sketches which can be exported as IGES then you import the IGES plus the STL in to your modelling software of choice. Very powerful.
Yeah, I did all of that. But when you get it back into CAD all those faces and bores created don’t properly line up with anything, when they clearly should be parallel with the coordinate system axis, they aren’t far off, but they are off.
Whether this error is in the part or the scan I do not know (I am not inspecting the part) but if I want a design intent RE, then if a bore should be parallel to y-axis, I need to draw it that they, same with the faces.
GOM is a great tool, and I still have a lot of learning to do with it, maybe there are better tools in there I haven’t found yet…
@@MakingforMotorsport Yes the cylinders and planes won't be perfect due to slight inaccuracies in the scan data, and usually holes can only be scanned to a certain depth due to the stereoscopic requirements of the scanner. However any sections you create will cut exactly thru the mesh and these can be made parallel to your initial alignments. For smoothing, simplifying and hole filling GOM is vastly superior to meshmixer, so do that part in GOM. I only use GOM for reverse engineering not for inspection, and want to make a video on how I use it some day.
Oh man, I’d love some better GOM skills… sounds like you’ve got some!
That scan fidelity is impressive !
It’s definitely usable and pretty accurate, I normally get within 0.5mm or less. There better out there but for the money I totally rate it as a tool.
The video I've been waiting for!!
I think I promised a video on this about 3months ago…. 🤦♂️🤷♂️. Oh well, it’s here now! 👍
@@MakingforMotorsport you did a great job! Definitely worth the wait. It's strange how enjoyable it was to see somebody else do the job I do most days haha. This is a great example workflow though, good job!
I also have a CR Scan Lizard. It's pretty amazing for the price. The key is to coat your scan surface to reduce reflectivity. I found that kids washable paint also works.
Kids washable paint? That’s a good idea, the hairspray can can thickness to a part, back to back testing of matting sprays is a video I am planning, I’ll have to add washable paint to the mix… do you have a brand as suggestion?
@@MakingforMotorsport I bought a small 10 pack sample of Crayola brand from the craft store. I experimented with brushing white onto an RC car body. The paint applies very thin and dries to a chalky finish. Very easy to wash off and doesn't smell badly. I saw that the same paint is available in gallon sizes on Amazon. Perhaps it could be spray on in addition to painted for something like the large surface of a car.
@@MakingforMotorsport I've been wanting to try washable spray chalk, since it has that heavy matte finish. If you get around to it, I'd love to hear how it turns out
@@keithfpv9451 There's something used to detect leaks on pneumatic joints. It's called D100, it sounds like just what you need.
We use the matte french chalk in a spray can when using the more industrial blue light scanners. Doesn't add much thickness and easily wipes off. 👍🏻
Thank you for making my life much easier. I did learn a lot today from you :)
No problem, thanks for watching!
thanks for the vid dood, subscribed.
Cheers bud, next one is in the works!
This’s amazing!
When you said payroll i got an add for payroll what a trip
I didn’t know I did! Remember, Siri is always listening and Alexa tells Jeff everything!!!!
Love this reverse engineering stuff. Thanks
I must say I am enjoying it too…
Thanks, another approach to try. Previously I have imported the mesh & immediately converted to a solid to use the tools for solids, so that’s something else to try.
That works well on .stl that have been created by CAD in the first place, like you get on Thingiverse etc… but 3D scanned things just don’t work well with it…
@@MakingforMotorsport ah, got it. A super cheap 3D scanner would be handy for the block / engine bay, to help speed up designing parts that fit…. But mostly they are too expensive for me to justify for the odd hobby piece.
@@bwm999 I know how you feel, if it weren’t for the channel I’d be in the same boat!
Thank you for this information
No problem, hope it helped!
Very informative thanks 👍🏻
No problem, thanks for watching
I noticed your still using the older software have you used the new one?