ALIEN vs RIDLEY SCOTT: What went wrong
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“Alien made people look to the stars and say: ‘fuck that’”
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I was going to write this exact comment but then I saw yours!
@@Solidahmed I was going to write something similar to yours but then I made toast.
Apparently not enough, because people still look at face protection and think, "I'll risk it."
The Xenomorph never needed an origin. Over explaining horror monsters/killers undermines what makes them scary. Fear comes from what we don't understand and the randomness of violence. Once it's all over explained and connected with our past, all the fear is gone. It almost becomes mundane.
Yeah, well said. It was always about the people and a very realistic approach to the situation. I really loved that. You could totally imagine your self in their situation, not realizing what's happening till it's to late.
Well, not really.
David did not conceive the idea of a Xenomorph, hence the Xeno-like and Facehugger-like creatures depicted on the mural inside the VERY OLD Engineers' installation on LV-223. He merely attempted to achieve, or come close to, an already-existent design originated a long time ago by probably the Engineers, which he directly mentions in the novelization of the Alien:Covenant, but which was left out of the film.
So my punchline is that, as of now, there is still a plenty of mystery left to chew upon, so to speak, concerning this topic.
A great example of how horrifying the unknown was when they were designing the first Alien to have no visible eyes, they described the choice being “..it is more terrifying to not know if its staring at you or not.”
MRT Dude, Revenge of the Sith isn't THAT bad. I actually really enjoy it.
I don't mind the Xenomorph having an Origin, just not a stupid Android one! I prefer the Comic Book version where the Xenomorph comes from an actual Planet where even they can be hunted by the natural wild life. This mess that the Ridley helped bring to life sucks Biomechanoid ASS!!!
Ridley Scott DID NOT create Alien. The plot, background, script and production design were all Dan O'Bannon. He was supposed to direct, but the studio decided to go with a director with more experience with big budget films, and brought in Scott.
The Space Jockey in a short novel(not the original Alien novel) was confirmed to be some kind of elephantine humanoid and not just larger races of humans.
Even H.R. Giger stated that the Space Jockey was an alien beast. Ridley Scott messed it up with Prometheus, he literally threw away H.R. Giger's designs and concepts.
Black Goo is the McGuffin of all McGuffins, "every effect plus one" McGuffin. And I'm not trusting Scott anymore.
By the way, Alien Covenant is officially 20 years prior to Alien so good luck with fossilization
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He said" appears" or " looks to be fossilized" I believe .He was a space trucker not a space paleontologist. I understand the frustration though , the scariest part about it was the the unknown aspect about it , hell it even made the space jockey itself scary just thinking about where it came from or what its nightmare was dealing with the eggs and the possibilities of the eggs connection or mystery to itself were . So I guess I'm on ultimately on your side regardless 👍.
it the stupid JJ 'red matter' in 25% different star trek
@@ijaripanju3408 Good point, but remember that those space truckers are apparently smarter than the idjits setting down on an uncharted planet (With some uncharted dangers) instead of going to the planet they were told to go to. Or the constant fuck-up disorder that these colonists seemed to suffer from at every turn.
@@Fenris77 you know ... your absolutely right . Lol never thought of it like that, now I'm feeling dumber than a mother trucker ..
@@ijaripanju3408 is okay, don't be. Ser Scott is after all a recognized director so we would put a lot of trust in that he doesn't make such mistakes, like the last season of a certain beloved series...
Ridley gets too much credit for Alien. It's Dan O'Bannon and Ron Shusett's story, with Giger and Carlo Rambaldi's design for the creature. Ridley just helped tweak a few ideas and put it all together for them. Don't get me wrong he did a incredible job, the movie and most of its visual themes are all Ridley but he didn't invent the alien. So I agree that, with all his clout in Hollywood and due to his part in the original Alien movie, who is going to tell him no to his wack ideas? I don't think it should be like that as I explained, he didn't 100% invent Alien so he shouldn't be the end-all-be-all authority on what is and isn't alien but unfortunately that IS the way it is right now.
Yeah, people forget that he was last minute replacement. He also did a botched job on Director's Cut of Alien. Instead of just adding new scenes, he cut or shortened already existing scenes, so both: theatrical and DC versions have almost identical runtime.
I was hoping I'd see a comment in here about Dan O'Bannon.
Scott did a great job DIRECTING what SOMEONE ELSE wrote. That’s the key here. Alien is an exceedingly simple story which a lot of people overlook in their zeal for cosmic horror & grand themes. Scott’s unfortunately one of these people.
Unfortunately what happens when you make something like Alien where people starting giving you too much credit for it and calling you a genius you end making Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
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The alien franchise should have been nuked from orbit while it was still awesome.
Now it's just Scott, duct taping a face hugger to a dead horse.
Able Baker -- "Scott duct taping a face hugger to a dead horse." That's a hell of a mental picture you paint with that! Bravo to you. 😂👍
He's just a grunt, he can't make that kind of decision.
I'm sorry but as far as I know we are a Democracy. This is what people want!
"No offence."
"None taken."
Like Star Wars, there is a whole expanded universe on this franchise. It will be a cold day in hell when this "franchise" is nuked from orbit. The trick is to find people that care about it willing to produce it further in a way that fosters it's future. I haven't given up on the Alien series, and I never will. Saying that it should be nuked from orbit sounds like a criminal dismissal.
That analogy with the backyard and the xenomorph cat is what convinced me to subscribe. That was brilliantly clever, dude.
man ....i'm literally listening to your Alien commentary as you comment with this on my alien video. I didn't know what was happening with reality for a second. Cheers for the sub man, i'm a big fan.
Same. Fucking brilliant
Agreed!
personally the dildo bit had me rolling.....
😂😂😂😂 perfect statement
"Ridley Scott made Alien."
To be fair, He played a part in creating Alien.
Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett are far bigger names here as far as the concept, story and screenplay go.
H.R. Giger wasn't even involved until O'Bannon show Ridley some of his art.
Director is captain of the ship.
Doesn't mean he does the jobs of the crew.
Big facts, malcolm. 🙌
Captain of the shipndoesnt dodge the icebergs. All his movies arent for everyone but honestly when the director has so few movies that click and more misses Its hard to say he was the key factor. Not to mention the axed Alien 5 that looked very promising and was axed for this prequel diarrea. I dunno these two prequels have kinda confirmed my belief that Ridley didnt really get why his original alien worked.
@@cordzfx maybe, but with out Dan Obannon, there wouldnt be an Alien franchise period! And yes it was Dan Obannon who got HR Giger on board, so even if another writer wrote a similar story and got it in production, we still wouldn't have the alien franchise, and the original xenomorph that's captivated audiences for over 40 years
I love the irony of Cameron's opinion on Covenant considering what he did to John Conner.
Ridley Scott is also responsible for canceling the sequel to Aliens made by Neill Blomkamp which sounded and looked awesome.
Ridley is 79 years old. He is questioning life. Is there something after or not. That is what he is trying to figure out. But we get to see his thinking process on screen.
MrSenger285 I didn’t pay for ridley’s thinking process, but yes I agree his brother also committed suicide
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Tony Scott made better movies.
yeah he can keep it to himself and stop ruining what used to be a beloved franchise. He is not the owner of it.
@@mkocel One person's artistic vision. Either stop acting like you own this franchise or get out there and direct your own alien film if you're so dissatisfied and feeling entitled to it.
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Greatest ending to a CZcams video ever! I loved how you dipped out before our rage could catch up.
Scott will just make it worse by making one more prequel to tie it all up. He created so many unfixable continuity errors, that another movie would make it worse, whether he tries to fix them, or ignore them.
Like what?
Alien and Aliens are way too different to compare xP
Alien is a top notch scary thriller/ horror.
Aliens is an asskicking action film .
Exactly, a great 1-2 punch!
In the original; Alien, the xenomorph was like space itself. It manages to feel both natural and unnatural, the little we know of the creature only helps it to both fascinate and terrify.
Also, very nice video. Your quality is astounding for such a small channel. You've earned a new subscriber
I'm ok with the Alien and its origin being explained, what I'm not ok with is connecting it to humanity cause that takes away any and all Lovecraftian elements
Why? What Lovecraftian elements? It's an alien. Everybody fawns over the alien, but it's pretty silly. Alien 2 and Prometheus were the only things to make the alien interesting.
To a degree i get that but also from a writers perspective...what do you do? As a prequel you have to use established elements and tie then together. Yes you can introduce new things but ultimately I wouldn't do much different in terms of Prometheus and covenant. You have to tie the space jockey and the humans and the ai and the aliens. That's what we've been shown. That didn't mean there's not more but how do you connect the established races in the franchise? The idea of creation and the chain of beings playing God might not be what you want but it's honestly a compelling story
If you look at the original Alien, and listen to some of the scenes that got cut or nixed, it seems like Ridley wanted the Alien to be a bit more like The Thing 1982.
He wanted it be constantly evolving in whatever way it needed to and also super-smart... even though it SEEMED like a beast that just wanted to eat people. A creature that followed no set of biological rules and could change in whatever way the plot demanded... including speaking in Dallas' voice when it suddenly became necessary. The studio, on the other hand, just wanted to keep it more about a scary beast that eats people. And given the movie's enduring legacy, that was probably the right call to make. But it seems Ridley never thought so.
Then James Cameron came around, added the queen and basically set the simple rules for the Aliens' life cycle as we knew them. Something familiar that didn't fly in the face of plausibility. They're big space insects with a little more intelligence than one would expect. But I don't think Ridley EVER intended for them to be that. So when he got the reigns back (and a few decades worth of clout) he invented his magical black goo to make all things possible in regards to the Alien life cycle, meaning there are now 0 rules for Alien reproduction. And even though that DOES fly in the face of plausibility, I don't think he cares about pesky issues like that. He just cares about making people pregnant with Aliens in as many different ways as he can imagine.
You can kind of understand what Riddley is doing, he's trying to add some new lore and that at the same time doesn't really change anything of what's established. As much I hate what these prequels show us, anything that we take from them is pretty much speculation. There's nothing that really proves that the Engineers are the same creature that was seen to be the Space Jockey, as well as there's nothing to really prove that David nor the Engineers created the xenomorph that we know. Hell, we can't even tell what the black goo really is, is it artificial? Is it natural? Is it alive? Is it conscient? It's just too bad that none of these questions really get answered or even explored in either of the movies. If there were any good ideas with these films, Scott's execution really wasn't enough to convey what they really meant.
I also kind of like it when women get pregnant with aliens ~_~
"I'll do the fingering"
I almost facepalmed through my face.
"Aliens" is one of the greatest films of all time, and one of the reasons it is is because Scott had nothing to do with it. Scott was just one part of the mix of the original "Alien." He mainly held together the monumental creations of other people. The truth is, Scott is something of a hack. He's no genius.
Nah man, The Martian was pretty awesome in my opinion.
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Pretty much this. Dan O'Bannon is the reason why Alien is so great movie and after him the credits goes to HR Giger.
Scott is great director and great with executing a good ideas.He is not a ideas man. He is the opposite of George Lucas. Lucas have great ideas but can not execute them well.
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@@mechkota Ridley Scott is more of a visual / atmosphere director
@@jasoncropley5334 So he's like Zach Snyder?
Remember the time when xenomorph and the space jockey were actually "alien"? By that I mean: "as not-human as possible". That was a great story. The way its going now: alien is not so alien. We are practically related to both the xenos and engineers. One twisted family.
Remember Ridley Scott's original vision for the ending of Alien had Ripley being killed by the alien. Fox flew out an executive to the set and told him they'd fire him if he did.
It's like after Prometheus someone surgically removed the neurons from Ridley Scott's brain that housed the understanding of Lovecraftian horror. So then he was just like _"well, time to explain everything, give everything a backstory, and show in full well-lit detail how things move and look and leave nothing mysterious or to the imagination ♪ doo to do to doo!"_
Having David as the creator of the xeno’s ultimately ruined it imo. We’ve seen androids and robots freaking out and wanting to be their own thing. All these years people wondered about the space jockeys and how they created or got ahold of the Xenos would’ve been far more interesting as it fits with what came before. Prometheus set up something that could’ve been interesting. Then Covenant came along and pretty much shat all over the continuity of the series. Such a shame.
Yep, all we got was an advanced "Bender Bending Rodriguez" without the heart or humor.
Haha, i never bought this poor black goo plot device, Scott is like a bad cook throwing all kinds of different things together in a big pot thinking 'the more the better', a movie alchemist. Now his movies are like black goo itself, an almighty mess.
I'm happy to see: how Ridley Scott wants to connect Gladiator with Alien ^^ As far it seems, even that is possible in his mind ^^
Have you looked into the black goo? It's a fascinating concept and genuinely good. I just wish they spoke about it in the movie.
To me, it seems plainly clear what happened with these prequel movies - Prometheus came out and everyone was expecting it to be an Alien movie, so Ridley was likely pressured by the studio to add more Xenos because that was people’s biggest complaint of the Prometheus movie, but everyone who went along with Prometheus and accepted it for what it was expected a continuation of the engineers and their story.
That would be interesting if the Blade Runner and Alien movie universes were to link up. It would explain Scott's odd obsession with artificial intelligence. I'm one of the fans who loved Prometheus and disliked Covenant. The whole David story arc has removed the "Alieness" of the Aliens. The creatures are far less mysterious and scary knowing they were created by a Weyland robot. I really enjoyed your video, you have an awesome sense of humor and your takes are well thought out and intelligent. You have earned a new subscriber!
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it.
Ridley scott and his team (artists etc) have incorporated Weyland-Yutani into the movie through various images and hidden things.
To be honest, the Engineers' lore and David 8 are much more interesting, complex and ripe to explore than some feral beasts and this comes from someone who truly likes Xenomorphs.
At the end of the day, Xenos are mere tools that serve the story. David, however, is someone who creates and forwards the story.
ben carter Promethues was fucking incredible, 10/10 IMO
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It had a few minor flaws, but I agree with you. I thought it was stupid how naive and incautious the scientist was when he encountered the white neomorph worm. Also, Vickers being crushed by the rolling spaceship was just down right silly. All she had to do was run sideways. Aside from those issues, in my opinion It's an incredible film!
Ohhhh...AWESOME! Your ending took me utterly by surprise, I almost did a spit take with my coffee as I burst out laughing!! Thanks for the guffaw..😏
Having watched Prometheus and Covenant a few times now and listened to the commentaries and interviews with Ridley, its clear to me that he had very little interest in doing anything with the actual creature itself. His interest was in using his already established alien universe to create his own Frankenstein/insane android epic that while interesting just ends up ruining the whole point of the original concept (you know, that the movie is titled "alien" and not made by humans). Why did he have to explain the origin of the alien at all? just explain the origin of the engineers and move on, its better not knowing where the alien came from so we can let our imagination create all kinds of insane origins.
They could have gone so many directions with these movies, perhaps the engineers knew of the alien for a long time and were just trying to find ways to eradicate it before it destroyed their civilization and there were some that worshiped the creatures as a greater life-form? or the black goo was a creation of a rogue engineer cult so that they could turn themselves into cosmic horrors in honor of the alien which they worshiped? who knows... so many ways that it could have gone that I think would have been more interesting. He still could have done his mad android story without ruining the original alien idea.
I totally dont agree, original creators of Aliens are still and ever will be the Engineers itself, David just re-created them, he only uses what he has, the patogen, black goo if you like. There were many different Alien life-forms and various creatures long before the existence of a mankind, can someone finally understand this? Why are everyone so retarded and stupid? Its obvious, David just re-created one of the monster type that black patogen can already create. Nothing has changed. And btw, Ridley Scott doesnt made the film by himself, studio give him a limits on what he can or cant do in the actual film, he is not responsible for all the content in the movie, yes. . he manage to direct a movie, personally take aboard the actors and even decide how the actual creatures needs to look, but there are many other persons that work for the different elements in the movie, and Ridley just dont control all of them. Studio own the license, that says everything. Most of the directors in these days dont control their movies at full 100%, its not that simple. . but, yea lets put all the harsch dirt just on one person, very intelligent and clever, bravo!
The beauty of the Alien movies is that it always left it to your imaginations. Maybe the Space Jockey created the Alien, or maybe it didn't? It was a mystery. And sometimes a mystery is much better instead of the best explanation that someone could give. A book based on the Alien movie mentioned the idea the Space Jockey could have been a peacefull reace of space faring civilisation that simply happend to find the Alien eggs by accidents and taking them out of curiosity. Other ideas include the Space Jockey worshiping the creature for some reason, making sacrifices to it. However in the end it really doesn't matter. The Answer is not so important like the mystery it self!
CrniWuk - Yes, I agree. Well. . part of the actual problem with this mystery as a whole is, that Space Jockey originally meant to be a creature without legs, it was integrated into the chair itself, like it grown out of the chair or into the chair. . but, this was long before Ridley come with his own Engineer idea that totally reverse it. Now, because fans are not idiots, everyone see the differences between the creature in the first movie, and the creature from Prometheus, well. . after Prometheus, it is technically not even that creature anymore. . now it is just a regular humanoid. I know, there is still a small chance that the actual Space Jockey creature is something different than the Engineer himself, but I think. . that this theory is alive just only because all the differences between these two characters sitting in front of telescope. Fans are thinking that original pilot was much larger, has teeth, eyes and mouth, and it was grown to the chair, or out of it. . making it more like an animal or some sort of bio-mechanical brain that controls the whole spaceship. Me personally, I think that in the next movie, Ridley simply throw all the differences out, in order to give us yet another regular Engineer humanoid who just die in his cockpit seat by giving a birth of some sort of Alien. . if he do this in this exact way, than it is clear that he wanted to replace Engineer for Space Jockey, and I think that this was his idea since he started with Prometheus. And another serious fact is. . that since he presented the pilot in cockpit as a person who has exoskeleton suit, it means that inside of that suit could be anyone, even the David himself. . this idea could kill a lot of fans asap, totally taking every last bit of remaining mystery out of the Franchise.
Petr Since we are all so retarded and stupid please explain the black goo and tell us how it was not just some lazy plot device Scott used to be this magical...goo that did anything he needed it to do..after that go fuck yourself.
Petr Švancara for me Prometheus and Covenant are not part of the franchise, especially Covenant is more like a parody.
Ridley was like; 'Okay but what if the space jockey looked kind of human?'
Average Person 'But it clearly has all these oddities that make it very not human... like it's big trunk'
Ridley 'Ah, thats it's spacesuit! Beneath is a humanoid!'
Average Person 'I mean... I guess it could be interesting to imagine there is race of giant humanoids... I feel like it's wasted potential but I'm sure you know what your doing. Giant humanoids, yeah okay.'
Ridley 'Exactly! Imagine these 8 ft tall guys-'
Average Person 'Wait 8 ft? But the jockey's arm alone was bigger then a fully grown human in a space suit... it must be like, at least double the size of a human...not a few feet taller then the average Joe...'
Ridley 'Camera perspective!'
Average Person 'Okay, that doesn't really make sense but, okay, 8 foot tall humanoids who wore extremely big mecha space suits, that looked almost skeletal and otherworldly- but were actually very similar to humans beneath... Do they have like, scaly skin? Big clawed hands? Spikes or horns or-'
Ridley 'Big bald buff white dudes'
Average Person 'Excuse me?'
Ridley 'There like, 8 foot tall, pale white, very buff, bald people. Aliens.'
Average Person 'I feel like, you're only limitation to what these guys are would be your imagination... especially if your retconning their entire appearance anyway... Don't you think maybe your taking the lazy, uninspired and frankly boring route, making them basically, slightly bigger humans?'
Ridley 'Maybe they've been to earth a bunch too, you know, so they don't feel too alien!'
Average Person 'Wasn't the idea to make them seem otherworldly though? Part of the great unknown and mysterious? Not former earthlings in some sense?'
Ridley 'But what if Jesus was an alien? What if these aliens created humans infact and guided us?'
Average Person 'So this is still a prequel to the 1979 film, Alien, that you worked on, right? Because it's starting to sound like it may just be an entirely new movie that your going to sell by pretending it's alien...'
Ridley 'Yes. It will even have Androids. Remember Ash? Bishop? Call? Well now meet D-Walter. He will be the antagonistic android like Ash was! Infact, what if the Big bald buff white dudes made humans, then humans made androids, then an android made the Dragon?'
Average Person 'Dragon? You mean the Xenomorph?'
Ridley 'Yes, the angels!'
Average Person 'That sounds like your really just forcing the alien in at the last minute...'
Ridley 'People are probably tired of the Xenomorph, so like, lets make this the first Alien film, where the Alien doesn't kill a single person! Infact forget the alien completely! We could have the big bald white dudes be the baddies! And the Androids! And some of the humans! And goo! and-'
Average Person 'Okay, yeah, I'm out. Have fun with that Ridley. In the future, if you don't want to make an alien film, just make a new franchise instead. Don't use the alien and your status to sell us something we didn't ask for, because your just going to hurt the Alien franchise when this fucks up. Bye.'
Ridley 'Okay so Prometheus wasn't my best film. Fans complained about the lack of an actual alien. So in my next film, we shall reveal the origin of the alien! Everyone hates the mystery of it anyway. And an Android can be the prime antagonist again! Infact It'll be Walter still!'
Fox 'So Alien as a franchise is going nowhere, we're going to abandon it for a while.'
Average Person 'Why Ridley? Was this all some long con to stop other people from making Aliens films? Like neill blomkamp?... why?'
Ridley 'I'm thinking maybe I should work other sci-fi classics. Perhaps 'Ridley Scotts: John Carpenters The Thing'? We can reveal that the origin of the thing creature is that it was originally human! But Taller and balder! Maybe created by an Android even, and horribly mutated because of alien goo! Which was created by man! What if The Thing was actually visiting earth to guide us and lead us, and maybe even Jesus was a Thing creature? This is gold!'
Yet not as long as it's been since I last saw a good alien movie.
Really funny comment, loved it
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Dredd was Awesome ! !
liked it better when it was called "The Raid".
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Dredd: made first
The Raid: released first
Was not... Unless we talking about the original
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This is one of the best videos I have seen on CZcams in forever please do more like this
Man this video was spot on,on everything! Just...EVERYTHING! Every single point.
The cut at 12:23 is absolutely MASTERFUL! Thank you! Had to watch it like 10 times!
I don't understand how Ridley Scott screwed this up so much.
The whole black too thing fine. But having David a frigging android be the creator of the xenomorphs is lame and shits on the continuity of the first three movies.
Instead of David being the creator of the xenomorphs Ridley should have done this. And he can do this storyline for the 3rd prequel and it would sort out the continuity problem.I
In the beginning of Prometheus we see one of the engerineers (space Jockeys) drink a cup of black goo which brakes down his DNA and is the catalyst for life on earth. Fine. I get that. Then they should repeat that scene in the third alien prequel where a engineer (space jockey ) does exactly the same thing (drink a cup of black goo) to create life on another planet. But instead of doing it on a carbon based planet like earth they do it on a planet where the main element is silicone not carbon. Hey ho life evolves and to the end result is the xenomorph home planet . The engineers take great interest in the life forms on this silicone based planet because of its uniqueness to other planets. And we end up with a engineer ship full of xenomorph specimens crashing on lv426. And this could happen 100s of thousands of years before the events of Alien Covenant and Prometheus, which sorts out all of the continuity problems of the fossilized engineer in the derelict in Alien. It was already there. That would be a great plot twist, because at the moment everything in Prometheus and Alien Covenant is pointing to David being the creator of the xenomorphs. But this would say. Ha no! You all thought David was the creator but in fact it was the engineers and nature that created them!
I find the idea that the xenomorph evolved through nature far more terrifying than the idea of it being created by a frigging android!!!
Because if nature can produce such a horrifying creature What other horrors lurk in the depths of space?
Instead of making the movie he wanted he listed to "fans" who were crying about Prometheus.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 I never cried about Prometheus, as a life long fan of the franchise. I was more confused than anything else as originally Ridley Scott was promoting it as a prequel to Alien, so after watching it, thinking, how is this a prequel to Alien? Then Scott in interviews said, oh Prometheus is the 1st part of a trilogy. Oh ok. Then Alien Covenant came out, which caused more questions than answers, and got things convoluded! Ridley shouldve kept things more streamlined.
To answer the thumbnail title: ridley scott is what went wrong.
No it's not, it's the studios. Scott's still a competent director. I mean, look at The Martian. That movie was fantastic.
I mean even the AvP franchise had enough decency to go "we don't know where the Xenomorphs come from, the Yautja just use them for their hunts".
Both the studio and Scott is to blame, its a combined failure mostly because of outdated cinematography in the entire industry.
Do you think an audience that has experienced the mindblowing atmosphere and story of, for example, Dead Space 3 will even be entertained by Covenant?
Dead Space 3 is better than any survival horror movie since Aliens 1986 - And its not even a movie, yet its atmosphere, convincing dialogue and story comes together to form some fucking good entertainment.
I'm going back through your old catalog of videos and I am on the floor right now I actually had that song from South Park as a ringtone for one of my old friends for a long time we got into a fight we don't talk anymore but it's still set to that
That end bit just made me spit coffee everywhere, now i need a new keyboard, thanks :)
I thought the reason they had holograms in Prometheus is because the Nastromo was an older outdated ship.
*nostromo
(excuse my pedantry)
That's exactly the reason.
The Prometheus is a high tech science vessel with billions of dollars put into it.
The Nostromo is a mining vessel / tow rig. It's probably even old and outdated in Alien.
It's like comparing a brand new Tesla to an 70s era semi and wondering why the semi doesn't have a touch screen panel on the dash.
"outdated ship" Nostromo has those monocromatic 70´s CTR monitors while Prometheus has full on holograms. That would be like a modern cheap using an astrolabe instead of orbital GPS because "we are cheap and outdated". I know Wayland-Yutani couldn´t care less about their employees, but but with crappy equipament like that, seems like they don´t about getting the job done either.
I could care less if this hooked up with the beginning of the original alien. Prometheus was fine as a stand alone, the second was terrible
Why was the second terrible? I agree that we needed Prometheus 2 instead of Pissy Fans: We Brought the Alien back.
I loved this video. New subscriber!!
Intelligent and hilarious analysis my friend!!🤘😂
If I remember correctly, in AvP they hypothesize that Antarctica was once a lush tropical jungle before the Fire Nation - I mean, the Predators - nuked it. There's some slight basis in reality as some have proposed that Antarctica wasn't always a frozen hellscape.
this movie is bad because of so many reason - 1 of wich is, the loss of scifi for real, - and most importantly is the ruination of the space jockey species - wich on their own would be an absolute scary and horrific species of alien life form that took evolution to the wrong way - by having its members being grown into work stations and so on - the space jockey floot of the cockpit is not made for walking, ! they are not humans, - by making them humans, "engineers" the universe is made that much smaller and the xenomorphs is the result of human interactivity - this completely ruins the mature , horror and realistic universe set in Alien 1. - the engineers themselves look stupid - specialy in Alien covenant, with cloth robes and a city that looks like they are in their roman empire time line. -
2 its potential - like David character, neomorph, black gue is being missused because of it being a prequel - and it trying to connect to Alien 1- David should never be the creator of the xenomorph and he might just have filtered the black gue and accidently ended up with its original form. the xenomorph. but alas, i cannot enjoy anything about these movies.
- and the timeline cant account for 10.000 years, - i think there isnt even 100 years between the events of prometheus and the events of Alien 1 - wich has a fossilised derelict SPACE JOCKEY ship.
Sooo glad to see so many people lately that felt the same way as I when I saw Prometheus. I wouldn't mind if they took the Spiderman's route and reboot the entire franchise right now. Anything but the "Cthulhu-was-Jesus-in-a-octopus-suit-of-course" arc.
@@Ophaganestopolis Uuh how about no? I hate the prequels too but that doesn't mean they have to throw the entire franchise away and start what obviously won't ever be able to surpass a classic. Why not just ignore them and start a new story in the same universe?
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Hated Prometheus for turning the Space Jockey in to a spacesuit, hated Covenant for having a droid create the Alien. Complete & utter crap, if they make the third part I won't be watching. Alien has been ruined.
Dude...you are fucking HILARIOUS!
I subbed immediately.
Oh my days that"JAMES CAMERON"song towards the end...that was funny yo 😂😂😂😂...Crazy Stuff
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It's a losing proposition, prequels -- just ask George Lucas. Every time a franchise-starting director gets a chance to go back and explain/analyse the characters, settings and (if it's sci-fi like "Alien") technologies used in the first movies, the rabbit hole goes deeper. Nobody really wants to know exact origins, especially when a well-made film invites controversy and actually makes people think; it's far scarier in your own mind than it could EVER be in a movie, which is why Stephen King horror flicks don't translate well; and by revisiting the well that's been run dry by other, lesser, film makers and films, it's impossible to make water flow again. The biggest difference from "Alien" all the way to this one is, the first two were made by people who weren't trying to make the best-looking, dazzle-em-with-shiny-stuff, empty vessel: they just wanted to make the best MOVIE they could, and if it was a hit that's even better, but in the end they made sure their movies a.) made sense (inasmuch as sci-fi can), and b.) were character-driven.
"Covenant" shoots so wide of these two points that if any other director had tried to pitch, produce and then regurgitate crap like this they'd be laughed out of the studio. Ridley's strictly riding on the coattails of his earlier, superior works, and his recent track record shows this clearly. When are these studios ever going to learn?
Just because someone's a legend (pun intended) doesn't mean everything they do is legendary.
Ridley Scott has doubted himself. With Prometheus and covenant, he let garbage writers write the plot.
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that intro was freaking beautiful man!!!
onlu 15 hundred subscribers? man you are hilarious! i subbed
Absolutely Brilliant and sooooooo funny! RESPECT!
Ridley Scott is a hit or miss director. He is not the creator of Alien, he was a director for hire!
I loved Prometheus and hated Covenant. The Alien may be ruined for me, made by a lousy android for crying out loud.
thanks a lot for the dredd receommendation! Really awesome movie. Saw it on Netflix!
Thanks for that pic of the triplet alien from Requiem, that scene was so disturbing yeech.
The first 3 are my favs. Director cuts are the only way i watch them!!! Alien 3 is my fav. Idk what anyone says.LOVE your stuff man❤
"His name is James (James) Cam-roooon...the greatest pioneeer...." heehehehe
“I’ll do the fingering” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Riddley me thinks ...thinks he found himself his Peter O'Toole in Fassbender ...but bottom line he just didn't work hard enough at thinking it through. And where are the guys who wrote the original Alien? Michael Green is credited with story and oh shit he's connected to the new Blade Runner ... Everyone is probably to distracted wasting time on their fucking I-phones - literally phoning it in har har har
4:20 you’ve explained the alien franchise pretty well at this point😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣!!!
Insightful
I love how in the original movie the watcher ship was bigger in the inside than outside and thats the moment they say it must be extraterrestrial technology, also how the watcher room was sealed and no one could enter from outside, they have tu cut tru the floor to enter. Love how the alien was a silent hunter who somewhat could modify the surroundings to make his nest.
scott was always jealous that his first hit at cinematography was successful for H.R. Giger work, at a movie where he was one of the least directors the studio could hire only because many have rejected to direct the project. basically scott take the project in half progress and instead of been grateful at the guion, visuals and original history from the book, he was just resentful that he got over recognised for everyone else work. So scott now try to shit in the book, the art and over all the concept made of Giger work that make the movie a success in the beginning.
scott is like his robo-bitch, resented at humanity because it has an excess of salt rod impaling it from his anus to the (attempt of) soul.
I don't mind the black goo plot device or David. However I do mind the idea that David was the creator of the xenomorph. David should have discovered them & studied them & attempted genetic experiments with them, not create them. The alien is supposed to be alien, not an indirect creation of man. The reason the alien is scary is because you don't understand it. The alien is the reminder that we are insignificant pinpricks in the unimaginably huge and uncaring void of space. Nothing we master will change how insignificant we are, no technology will help us understand the Alien, any attempt to defeat or kill it must be futile or require effort beyond what was believed to be too much effort.
I suppose you could argue that the Black Goo is now the allegory of the original Alien, the black goo embodies all of the things I just mentioned. But then it still doesn't make sense because if the Black Goo is this unimaginable substance of genetically engineered malevolence that cannot be controlled or understood... then why is David able to control and understand it? I like Ridley Scott androids, but come on man, that's taking it way too far.
The only way to save the continuity is to wrap up the Engineer plot, reveal in a plot twist that David did NOT actually create the xenomorph, and then have a (sigh... new) main character exact retribution on him ah la "the hubris of man has overtaken David and become his own," thus David is defeated for his insanity, arrogance, and malevolent thinking. Boom, done, over. Maybe do a zoom-out of the fossilized Derelict on LV-426 as the means to reveal that David didn't create the xenomorphs.
Pfft. The black-goo in District9 was better. The black-goo in aliens is unoriginal poor-man's black-goo.
The only way to save the franchise is to reveal that everything since ALiens was a nightmare Newt had in hyper-sleep. Dump it all, and do the "Earth War" plot from the comics that all aliens fans have been dying to see for about 30 years.
@@robotnoir5299 Ahh I see another man of culture
HAHA I love the bait at the end!!!
"... looking to the stars and say: Fuck that!" This shit made my day :D
"Alien made people look to the stars and say.... Fuck that" You just earned a new subscriber :D
Yo I love ur vids and ur humor where u from bro?
Australia.
That ending was awesome!
really underrated youtuber
Gawd what a great video, why have I not had you recommended in my feed until now??
After years of interactivity between viewers and fans; I love both Prometheus AND Covenant. What is very clearly established at the end of Covenant is that these two films are definitively acknowledged to be seperate from the original films. Be it intentionally or unintentionally.
Alien Covenant told me through numerous shots and dialog that David simply took the pre-existing genetic template to engineer as best he could to utilize the closest result he could to create a form of life and I love that concept. It was also developed within that film so much that the entirety of events and outcomes made sense to me and establishes that David's "creation" was merely his genetic interpretation based on the template that would later be represented/perfected by the "space jockey" in ALIEN.
My biggest gripe is with the haphazard tackling at the end of Covenant and the weak writing to the characters.
All in all, to the very critical eye, the film's Prometheus and Covenant made it very clear that every step to each "xenomorph" in both films are seperate from the origins of the ALIEN film. (No facehugger eggs in Prometheus, no eggs other than David's extrapolation of genetic sequencing in Covenant)
My issue is so falling upon the fact that a third installment has never come out. I completely understand and appreciate your outlook and get it. All we really needed was a third film to tie it all together and explain (I hope) the reasoning that I rationally gathered when watching the two prequel films.
Because we did not have that third film to solidify what I postulated, it can understandably be interpreted as much as it has by many viewers.
All in all, what these two films desperately need is a third installment to state what I already clarified to help fans appreciate the fact that nothing was ever stated in the prequels that the movie ALIEN and ALIENS are direct byproducts of the prequels. Only the genetic template is mentioned to have any tie to the original films.
I love your break down and sympathise with your assessment. I wish we had a third film to tie it all together as I described for the two films really are deep down self-explanatory as to why they are different from the original films, in regards to the xenomorph biology and lifecycle.
You still get. Thumbs up from me!
Great video man. Alien. Aliens and predator are ere my go tos. Such good movies!
I've been pretty staunchly anti-riddles since Prometheus (which coincides with a general maturation) -
but in the last couple of months I've come to believe that he's really had all the wrong kinds of people around. Even GREEDIER execs, and essentially yesmen in the cowriter and art-director sort of levels.
doesn't the alien form differently each time depending on what type of animals/plant/alien etc dna it mixes with? theres probably holes in this theory too though, good old Ridley lol..
Bravo for the Gremlins comparison for AVPR.
Like all true artists, the early work is always the best. In the beginning you put your heart and soul into it and later you only have knowledge. Passion and imperfection, beats apathy and perfection every time.
subbed. that was fucking brilliant.
i stfg this is my new fave movie channel
Thanks...
Came back to this after accidentally finding that there was deleted content of the xenomorph in alien. That deflates the theory that Ridley was pressured into having more alien stuff because what we got was less than what was planned. So my final theory is the studio merely suggested to have more alien stuff but Ridley was in charge and said "no I want this to be the origin of the xenomorph and thats it."
Did you know Ridley Scott at one point was attached to direct Battlefield Earth?
Was that chooma impersonation at the end? WoooooooAAAAARRRRRRAAAAH!
Agree with everyone here: Your video ending!! 🤣🤣🤣
Great video. Have you read the William Gibson Alien 3 script? A lot of the ideas from Prometheus and Covenant were lifted from Gibson's script except that the ideas were much better developed and explained in Gibson's script.
Hahahaha that last bit was beautiful. Laughing my ass off
That little touch at the end. Cherry on top
it was already hinted that the engineers had already created the xenemorphs in the past in some kind of ritual. The mural from Prometheus along with the bonus scenes of David explaining how he tweaked the 'recipe' to introduce the black goo to various wildlife (including a mosquito-like insect, from which came the spores) I understand what you are saying about all the different branches of ideas and how it can be too much and confusing, but I feel like the pacing and execution (along with the dumb xeno-vision moment at the end) drove the movie into the ground in terms of rating. I still liked the backstory and explanations and enjoyed many scenes from the film, but something just didn't feel right with the final product. At least we got to see Jussie Smollett meet his maker
When Ridley first approached H. R. Giger he said, "I want to do something dark, but if this is going to work, i want to be so very precise that I pee down my own leg, even at board meetings. Can you help me?"
This was excellent overall, but the last 5 seconds were very unexpected!
Ahaha love the video bro! And that ending! Aliens IS better than Alien! Cheers from Argentina.
Well done, great choise with the JC song at the end. That was the first thing that poped up in my head after i saw him boot lick in the interview.
I think the new Alien/Prometheus movies suffer from the Lukas Syndrom too. This guys are old and never did a good movie in the last 20 years but hey we worked on a classic piece of cinema so bow down and obey me.
The twist at the end was great if you never watched a movie before, you wouldnt expect it but hey its 2017 and most of saw Old Boy (Korean) and thats how a twist has to look/feel like or even a M. Night Schamallala movie twist.
Personal i think he just a old drunk fool that want to make money and increase his big ego.
If I were making the next flick I would have the Engineers track down David and when they find him they intend on destroying him but change their minds. Apparently they do that. Instead of destroying David, for destroying one of their worlds, they investigate what he has been doing and assist him in creating a queen. But only after a wild and unique set of battle sequences between Engineer soldiers and Geigers. Sequence that Ridley sorely lacks at the end of his Alien movies. Still love the story telling though!!!
Is it fair to say that Ridley Scott did not “create” Alien? Danny Obannon created the story, HR Gieger created the creature design. Ridley Scott directed the movie. The vast majority of Ridley Scott movies I enjoy are the ones where he’s primarily the director, as opposed to the creative director.
I love this guy